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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Karma on January 25, 2006, 12:05:22 PM
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Almost every pro has crappy form and does partials. Why do people keep asking this question?
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yeah but some guys might be working around an injury
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those guys ain't nearly as strong as Jay or Ronnie, both suck in comparison
where did ronnie and jay come into this thread???
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those guys ain't nearly as strong as Jay or Ronnie, both suck in comparison
Ronnie has horrendous on some of his lifts too.
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From the clips I've seen their form was decent enough. Branch Warren has to be one of top 10 most developed bodybuilders of all time.
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From the clips I've seen their form was decent enough. Branch Warren has to be one of top 10 most developed bodybuilders of all time.
i havn't ever seen any clips or vids of these 2
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Ronnie is stronger that Johnnie! Ruhl probably is too.
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Ronnie is stronger that Johnnie! Ruhl probably is too.
ive seen clips of ruhl....he benches collar to collar!
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Heres a short 50 second clip of them training in BFTO2005
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/view.php?pg=bfto2005teaser
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Johnnie and Branch are in the 2nd half of this clip, Branch is thick as hell:
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/view.php?pg=bfto2005preview
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what does that mean collar to collar?
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what does that mean collar to collar?
very wide....his hands are all the way at each collar on the barbell.
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is that good or bad?
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i thought it was impressive....i can't bench 5 plates with my hands that wide......i cant bench 5 plates.
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yes well Ruhl is not a human being. he was cable rowing like 500 pounds too. God only knows how much he should be able to barbell curl. I think if he wanted to he could bring his legs up a lot more. They're very big but his chest, biceps, shoulders and traps are some of the biggest in bodybuilding, no reason why he legs cannot be either.
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yes well Ruhl is not a human being. he was cable rowing like 500 pounds too. God only knows how much he should be able to barbell curl. I think if he wanted to he could bring his legs up a lot more. They're very big but his chest, biceps, shoulders and traps are some of the biggest in bodybuilding, no reason why he legs cannot be either.
why don't you e-mail him with some monster leg building advice, "gibbler", hahahaha, oh brother.
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why don't you e-mail him with some monster leg building advice, "gibbler", hahahaha, oh brother.
hahahaha oh brother. that guy is gayer then Elton John's underwear.
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you talking to me? why don't you take down your Ricky Martin posters first? everybody knows you have one on your ceiling above your bed.
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hahahaha oh brother. that guy is gayer then Elton John's underwear.
hahaha that shit is funny.
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ive seen clips of ruhl....he benches collar to collar!
Usually a wider grip is easier becasue the bar doesn't have to travel as far to hit the chest. In PL comps they actually have a measurement of how far out your hands can be.
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Usually a wider grip is easier becasue the bar doesn't have to travel as far to hit the chest. In PL comps they actually have a measurement of how far out your hands can be.
oh...i didnt know that.
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I dont know about that. if you do it extremely wide it's easier because you use less tricep.
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There ROM is fine! They just don't extend all the way to lock out which makes the excercise that much harder. You fools hating for no good reason. I say Hate DC they have the shitiest ROM.
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There ROM is fine! They just don't extend all the way to lock out which makes the excercise that much harder. You fools hating for no good reason. I say Hate DC they have the shitiest ROM.
exactly. taking away the lockout portion removes any rest from the rep. continous tension...
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Almost every pro has crappy form and does partials. Why do people keep asking this question?
^Exactly.
I've said it so many times on here.
Bodybuilders aren't about strict form.
Powerlifters are.
DIV
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powerlifter's have crappy form as well, there squat range of motion is shithouse like most of there otherlifts, maybe needing to have a good range of motion is just a myth :o
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powerlifter's have crappy form as well, there squat range of motion is shithouse like most of there otherlifts, maybe needing to have a good range of motion is just a myth :o
are you joking or what..
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powerlifter's have crappy form as well, there squat range of motion is shithouse like most of there otherlifts, maybe needing to have a good range of motion is just a myth :o
Are you serious or just high?
Have you been to a powerlifting meet?
The form has to be tight and clean or the rep doesn't count.
These are regulation reps that are judged.
You clearly have no clue as to what you speak of.
Pull your head out and come back to earth, Luke......
You can still turn to the "Dark Side", I promise. ::)
DIV
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no i couldn't believe the way that powerlifters squat with there feet so far apart so the range of motion is like the equivalent to a quarter squat, and they count the lift in a meet
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What the hell does the width of their stance on a squat have to do with range of motion? No matter how how wide your stance, you still have to squat to a certain depth. Stance has nothing to do with range of motion. As previously said you have never been to a PL meet or you've never squatted before, or both.
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no i couldn't believe the way that powerlifters squat with there feet so far apart so the range of motion is like the equivalent to a quarter squat, and they count the lift in a meet
You're clearly ignorant......
Powerlifters have the best form, perhaps rivaling that of Olympic lifters in terms of technique.
I repeat: The reps have to be clean and tight, otherwise they don't count.
The form you see these bodybuilders use while training would not count for shit in a PL meet.
DIV
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is arching ur back as much as possible when doing benchpress textbook form is it? powerlifters have textbook form for powerlifting, not you general lifting textbook form you would tell a client to do just starting out weights that is my point
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Well from where I'm from, PL's fail a lift if their back arches up off the bench.
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i would never have a client start squating with the westside stance... it works way to much back and way to little legs.
and on bench you can arch your back as far as you want... as long as your ass and shoulder blades stay on the bench. Usually powerlifters drop the bar way down below nipple level to find the groove in their shirt.
yes div, there are judges and they have to meet a certain criteria. but I would never EVER have a beginner start off using a PL form.
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yes div, there are judges and they have to meet a certain criteria. but I would never EVER have a beginner start off using a PL form.
Where on this thread did I ever say that a beginner should start off using PL form?
God Luke mentioned that, not I.
In fact where did I mention anything about beginners?
Don't put words in my mouth, HavoX.
For what they do PL's have the best form, putting bodybuilders to shame......
Tight, clean......correct.
Untouchable.
DIV
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I agree with that. Most of the powerlifters at my gym are textbook.
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Those DBs JJ and Warren were using look weird...kind of smaller than normall. Does anybody how heavy they are???
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Those DBs JJ and Warren were using look weird...kind of smaller than normall. Does anybody how heavy they are???
not sure but at my local LA fitness we have similar DB's. the heaviest ones there are 125 and they are alot smaller than what branch is using from what i can tell.
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those 2 are terrible for the image of bodybuilding, they remind me of the old school boofheads who show zero signs of intelligence
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those 2 are terrible for the image of bodybuilding, they remind me of the old school boofheads who show zero signs of intelligence
thats kinda harsh.
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who are terrible?
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I generally don't like that type of training. It's all ego training and you need to constantly sike yourself up each set with adrenaline but hey, they're huge so who am I to argue.
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That clip of that bucket of shit Gustavo Badell on that clip is horrible. If I was him I would be ashamed to have that clip floating around on the internet. every time I see that guy I want to kill him.
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That clip of that bucket of shit Gustavo Badell on that clip is horrible. If I was him I would be ashamed to have that clip floating around on the internet. every time I see that guy I want to kill him.
Zoloft
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Zoloft
I guess I did go overboard a little.
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Those DBs JJ and Warren were using look weird...kind of smaller than normall. Does anybody how heavy they are???
135s I believe
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Jackson and Warren are awesome, and if you have read about them they train like powerlifter/bodybuilders in the offseason and then start to detail as a contest aproaches. Jackson Still does PL meets and has put up some crazy numbers.
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135s I believe
what MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
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what MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
Coleman can barely do 200lbs in the offseason for 8
I think branch could do more then 135 though
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what MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
Considering Branch was 3 days out from the Europa supershow and he did 315 x 17 on the incline bench with ease, I would say, yea, he's a monster ::)
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Considering Branch was 3 days out from the Europa supershow and he did 315 x 17 on the incline bench with ease, I would say, yea, he's a monster ::)
i love how there's always an excuse as to why a said pro can't lift what he brags about, "i cut myself shaving", "my car wouldn't start", "my gay lover is mad at me", i'm on low carbs", i'm 2 weeks out", "there is a full moon", "the bar is bent", "my Muscletech contract expired" blah, blah, blah blah, maybe they just lie.
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i love how there's always an excuse as to why a said pro can't lift what he brags about, "i cut myself shaving", "my car wouldn't start", "my gay lover is mad at me", i'm on low carbs", i'm 2 weeks out", "there is a full moon", "the bar is bent", "my Muscletech contract expired" blah, blah, blah blah, maybe they just lie.
Obviously branch isn't going to be training 100% 3 days out of a show....regardless, we will know for this claims for sure when this "offseason hardcore traiing video" comes out
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Branch looks like Sloth from the Goonies,ugly mofo.
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and on bench you can arch your back as far as you want... as long as your ass and shoulder blades stay on the bench. Usually powerlifters drop the bar way down below nipple level to find the groove in their shirt.
Anyone who benches this way while wearing a slingshot shirt is only training their ego. One time I saw this old fart doing flat bench with feet on the bench and doing a back bridge. His range of motion was maybe 10 inches at most. Hilarious...
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Coleman can barely do 200lbs in the offseason for 8
I think branch could do more then 135 though
Ronnie does an EASY 12 with 200 in "Unbelievable"
Yeah budday...light weight...yep....boom!!!
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Anyone who benches this way while wearing a slingshot shirt is only training their ego. One time I saw this old fart doing flat bench with feet on the bench and doing a back bridge. His range of motion was maybe 10 inches at most. Hilarious...
that's the point...shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
of course powerlifting is ego driven...just like most BB'ers our obsessed with themselves and how they look.
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what MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
what would be an acceptable weight for them to be using in your eyes???
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what would be an acceptable weight for them to be using in your eyes???
for guys who constantly brag about how much weight they handle i'd expect a lot more, i've seen guys curl 130lb. db's and women lifters incline 120's.
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i've seen women lifters incline 120's.
:o....................... . ::)
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:o....................... . ::)
He was referring to himself herself ;)
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were they 100lbers Levrone was curling?
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for guys who constantly brag about how much weight they handle i'd expect a lot more, i've seen guys curl 130lb. db's and women lifters incline 120's.
so let me get this straight, in order to not get ripped on by sarcasm you have to walk into the gym and start working out with your max weight, anything else is unacceptable...so what Branch and Jonnie should have done was walk in grab the 200's-no warm up and start repping out...if they get injured, well fuck it cause if they don't max out for every photo shoot they are pussies.
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don't knock partials.theres a reason you always see big guys doing them.It gives you continuous tension on muscle,and allows heavier weight
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id say they are harder....can't lock out to take a break. plus lockin out puts strain on teh joints.
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Ya, partials are real hard. ::)
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What the hell does the width of their stance on a squat have to do with range of motion? No matter how how wide your stance, you still have to squat to a certain depth. Stance has nothing to do with range of motion. As previously said you have never been to a PL meet or you've never squatted before, or both.
Using a wider stance definitely means a shorter range of motion. It's just basic geometry that the bar is moving a shorter distance. I can't believe anyone would dispute this.
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Are you serious or just high?
Have you been to a powerlifting meet?
The form has to be tight and clean or the rep doesn't count.
These are regulation reps that are judged.
First of all, you really don't have the slightest fucking clue what "form" is. I would hardly call bench presses performed with an extreme arch or squats/deadlifts performed with a sumo stance examples of "good form". Nevertheless, most powerlifting organizations allow such abominations in their meets. Powerlifting really has very little to do with proper lifting form, especially today. But even in the olden days of powerlifting you had lifters such as the great Bob Peoples who rounded their backs when deadlifting, etc. I wouldn't call that "good form" either.
Second of all, just because SOME powerlifters use good form in a MEET doesn't mean they TRAIN with good form. I've seen lots of powerlifters use loose form in the gym. One of the strongest guys I ever saw used absolutely terrible form when benching in the gym. He would literally drop the bar once it was halfway down and bounce it off his chest.
I hope this little lifting lesson has been enlightening for you, my Mexican friend.
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First of all, you really don't have the slightest fucking clue what "form" is. I would hardly call bench presses performed with an extreme arch or squats/deadlifts performed with a sumo stance examples of "good form". Nevertheless, most powerlifting organizations allow such abominations in their meets. Powerlifting really has very little to do with proper lifting form, especially today. But even in the olden days of powerlifting you had lifters such as the great Bob Peoples who rounded their backs when deadlifting, etc. I wouldn't call that "good form" either.
Second of all, just because SOME powerlifters use good form in a MEET doesn't mean they TRAIN with good form. I've seen lots of powerlifters use loose form in the gym. One of the strongest guys I ever saw used absolutely terrible form when benching in the gym. He would literally drop the bar once it was halfway down and bounce it off his chest.
I hope this little lifting lesson has been enlightening for you, my Mexican friend.
What is your problem with the sumo deadlift? I've seen you start a thread about how Sumo deads are for pussies. Brian Siders is one of the best powerlifters out there right now and he uses a sumo stance, as do half of the powerlifters in europe. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it's bad form.
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First of all, you really don't have the slightest fucking clue what "form" is. I would hardly call bench presses performed with an extreme arch or squats/deadlifts performed with a sumo stance examples of "good form". Nevertheless, most powerlifting organizations allow such abominations in their meets. Powerlifting really has very little to do with proper lifting form, especially today. But even in the olden days of powerlifting you had lifters such as the great Bob Peoples who rounded their backs when deadlifting, etc. I wouldn't call that "good form" either.
Second of all, just because SOME powerlifters use good form in a MEET doesn't mean they TRAIN with good form. I've seen lots of powerlifters use loose form in the gym. One of the strongest guys I ever saw used absolutely terrible form when benching in the gym. He would literally drop the bar once it was halfway down and bounce it off his chest.
I hope this little lifting lesson has been enlightening for you, my Mexican friend.
Agree...PL is about moving the weight through the smallest ROM through these riduculous positions that the federations allow aided with slingshot shirts and power suits. Not a true demonstration of strength, imo. But of course, many people use sloppy form as well, from BB's to the regular gym rats.
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I would say that most of the buyers of the training vidoes are hardcore fans like the ones here. From what i have read, most of thse people, myself including, would like to see a hardcore/off season workout video (i am specificaly talking about JJ and Warren).
If they want to sell more vidoes, they should listen to their fans. I think these guys do not nearly handle the weights they claimed or they would have come out with some hardcore/offseason video by now. My 2 cents.