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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: AmonRa on June 08, 2014, 07:41:09 PM
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'What is your opinion on training to failure? Is it a good thing? Seems stupid.
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Ask Goodrum mft, cps, doa, opp, nba, snm, smh, he is very familiar with failure in general. ;)
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i dont believe in it, just go for the biggest pump possible thats how you grow. HIT is not optimal for long term consistent training imo, esy to burn out. i can train every day and multiple muscles using the volume approach favored by the old school guys.
ps, never torn a single muscle or had any injuries.
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Ask Goodrum mft, cps, doa, opp, nba, snm, smh, he is very familiar with failure in general. ;)
Lol!
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'What is your opinion on training to failure? Is it a good thing? Seems stupid.
It is a stupid thing a bodybuilder should only warm up, after doing warm up sets on the bodypart you are working walk on the threadmill for 10 mins then go home.
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Stop repeating yourself Halo, no need to debate this over and over again.
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Training to failure is a tool that should be used from time to time. It shouldn't be a training goal every day. Power lifters and Olympic lifters do not train to failure every time they work out. Why should bodybuilders think that's what they need to do every training day?
Imagine if you were in the running world. You are training to become a better miler. In the mind set of most lifters he should train with specificity of running by only training by running one mile at a training session. Thinking like many bodybuilders he should always train to failure. Keeping this crazy training theory in place every day he will go out and run a mile with his stop watch recording it in his training journal. Every day he will try to beat his time. When his times stop going down that means he needs more recovery due to the intensity so he will train less training days until he just running twice a week to failure in the mile. When he hits a point that he can no longer improve he hit his genetic limit.
Is the above paragraph madness? Why do bodybuilders approach training like the imaginary runner above? Train to failure is a tool in a bodybuilders arsenal to use but it shouldn't be a training protocol of exclusion.
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what do you mean by 'failure'?
training to complete exhaustion? drop setting? single sets done to the point where you cannot rep that weight any longer? many types of 'failure'.
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what do you mean by 'failure'?
training to complete exhaustion? drop setting? single sets done to the point where you cannot rep that weight any longer? many types of 'failure'.
Maybe he defines "failure" as not getting any results from lifting. :)
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I do it when I have a lot of energy and just feel like killing shit, I take it easier on days I'm sore or not as motivated. The pump post wo is amazing
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Failure is where you cant push the dumbells one inch further and they drop to the floor, your WO partner has to struggle to get the bar back on the pins or you poop your pants / puke your shirt. Can be done when gear is in place, natty...terrible idea. The strain on your CNS is not a good thing. Your recovery when using lots of gear just masks/delays the long term effect on your body.
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Failure in what rep range? 3/5, 6/8, 10/12? Stupid question all the way. If you're looking for a bodybuilder look, low reps and going to failure specially is not a great idea. What's the point of failure when doing volume? I don't see any upside to that. The more you're leaning toward strength training, the more often you'll probably go to failure though it still shouldn't be the rule but the exception. It will just happen. On the short/middle term, heavier training gives you much more functionality on a muscular level then volume. But it's taxing on the long term. You don't want to be the guy with the busted knees, elbows, wrists, acromion at merely 40 telling tales about how heavy he used to lift only 5 years earlier and now training with the 20s dumbells.
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Bill Pearl said, "leave the Gym with Gas in the Tank". With his volume you could not always go to failure. Doing low sets and reps you can...to a Point. Even with 5x5 i only ever really went to Failure on the last couple of sets and sometimes only the last set. The Heavy Duty Guys just end up burning out after a period of time. Stands to reason you canīt push to the Limit every workout. Not just physically but mentally too. You know that there are Days you are full of energy and days you are just tired. I think you Need to go by how you feel. Never work against your Body.
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Bill Pearl said, "leave the Gym with Gas in the Tank". With his volume you could not always go to failure. Doing low sets and reps you can...to a Point. Even with 5x5 i only ever really went to Failure on the last couple of sets and sometimes only the last set. The Heavy Duty Guys just end up burning out after a period of time. Stands to reason you canīt push to the Limit every workout. Not just physically but mentally too. You know that there are Days you are full of energy and days you are just tired. I think you Need to go by how you feel. Never work against your Body.
Good advice. I should take it but I can't count how many times I have lifted trying to beat the previous workout for reps or poundage. On a side note I'm laughing at all the posts on define failure then they explain how many ways you can fail. LOL. How about we define failure as not being able to get another rep?
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I never fail in the gym.
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I never fail in the gym.
There's a Cialis vibe to this post.
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Good advice. I should take it but I can't count how many times I have lifted trying to beat the previous workout for reps or poundage. On a side note I'm laughing at all the posts on define failure then they explain how many ways you can fail. LOL. How about we define failure as not being able to get another rep?
Thatīs how i define it. If you canīt do a FULL Rep in good controlled form.
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Failure taken beyond failure is not for Long periods... descending sets, pre-exhaustion,rest/pause,superslow reps,11/4 reps,cheat reps,forced reps,pure negatives... used intelligently in a Programme good. But you know too much of a good Thing is bad.
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On the long run will drain you out or injury yourself. Learn your limits and stop the set 1-2 reps before positive failure.
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You won't burn out if you don't do too much and allow enough rest days in between. Also as you get bigger and stronger, you need to be more judicious. A week off every couple months or so can help recharge your metabolic resources too. If you are a certain genotype, this is about the only method that seems to work. for other genotypes, it's not as efficacious.
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The word failure is enough to tell you it won't work. Training to success is your key to lean gains.
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Never ending energy supply:
Chuck Norris training to failure.