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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: AmonRa on June 11, 2014, 10:24:17 PM
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Do lateral raises really develop the mid delts? Seems like a gimmick exercises.
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Do you even upright row bro?
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Maybe
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Is the earth really round?
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Inner pecs
HTH
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It's a romboidis exercise. ::)
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Looking at the mean and peak activation numbers from EMG in the big chart here:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/inside_the_muscles_best_shoulders_and_trap_exercises
You can see that all of the various lateral raises seem to activate the anterior (front) delts more than the lateral delts. Then again, that chart shows that none of the popular delt exercises have more activation in the lateral more than the anterior or posterior so YMMV.
Straight up, no shit post of peace. No homo.
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Looking at the mean and peak activation numbers from EMG in the big chart here:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/inside_the_muscles_best_shoulders_and_trap_exercises
You can see that all of the various lateral raises seem to activate the anterior (front) delts more than the lateral delts. Then again, that chart shows that none of the popular delt exercises have more activation in the lateral more than the anterior or posterior so YMMV.
Straight up, no shit post of peace. No homo.
All depends on technique/form. Besides BB and T bar rowing, lateral raises are one of the most incorrectly performed exercises. I've been doing lateral raises for 30 years... I can isolate the side/rear delts easily. Gym members often compliment me on my width and side delt development.
Drop set laterals are the most effective thing you can do for your side delts. Perform as many drop sets as necessary until you cannot raise your arms... it's very difficult and it burns like hell. I've gotten fantastic results from these.
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Kevin is a big fan of lateral raises.
(http://www.learn-bodybuilding.com/pro_bodybuilders/kevin_levrone/kevin_levrone11.jpg)
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Gym members often compliment me on my width and side delt development.
When you say shit like this, you sound like The Gayner and make me discount everything else as self-serving drivel.
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All depends on technique/form. Besides BB and T bar rowing, lateral raises are one of the most incorrectly performed exercises. I've been doing lateral raises for 30 years... I can isolate the side/rear delts easily. Gym members often compliment me on my width and side delt development.
Drop set laterals are the most effective thing you can do for your side delts. Perform as many drop sets as necessary until you cannot raise your arms... it's very difficult and it burns like hell. I've gotten fantastic results from these.
x2...run the rack I do it and its for me best way..i tied going heavy/sloppy jerking them ,so I experimented with the drop rack sets and got great results finally.
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When you say shit like this, you sound like The Gayner and make me discount everything else as self-serving drivel.
Maybe if I was a teen/twenty-something ego trainer, but I'm not one of those.
Respect your training elders.
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Anyone seen terry crews lateral raises? He holds the dumbbells palms facing infront of his chest then raises the elbows up so palms face down. I've tried then and it feels stricter and you can really feel the burn but doesn't take as much out of you
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Doing them after shrugs can make them pretty brutal too
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x2...run the rack I do it and its for me best way..i tied going heavy/sloppy jerking them ,so I experimented with the drop rack sets and got great results finally.
Nice.
Same here, I can not maintain form and control with anything higher than the 35s. I throw in some heavy days just for variety, but never go below 10 reps... you lose the feel.
I've also started the motion from the side instead of the front. It's more difficult because there is zero momentum.
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Nice.
Same here, I can not maintain form and control with anything higher than the 35s. I throw in some heavy days just for variety, but never go below 10 reps... you lose the feel.
I've also started the motion from the side instead of the front. It's more difficult because there is zero momentum.
x2...once I lose the "feel" of my side delts pulling, these are pretty much useless for me. 25-30lbs tops.
Running the rack/dropsets are a must, and finishing each set with partials really blow the delts up
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Nice.
Same here, I can not maintain form and control with anything higher than the 35s. I throw in some heavy days just for variety, but never go below 10 reps... you lose the feel.
I've also started the motion from the side instead of the front. It's more difficult because there is zero momentum.
played with that too done from front and pinned to sides as well ,,yeah 35's is most,40's I look like a car accident all over the place,taxes the shit out of your joints/cuffs.when I see pro's swinging 60/70's god bless them but it looks like a front raise by the time there done swinging them..
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Bicepts
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My go to exercise for side delts is behind the back laterals.........much better stretch of the lateral head in the bottom position.
I can totally isolate my side delts..............most go way too heavy and then complain that they lack width.
Go as heavy as possible,but with good form.......a bit of "controlled cheating" on the last few toughest reps is permissable.
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My go to exercise for side delts is behind the back laterals.........much better stretch of the lateral head in the bottom position.
I can totally isolate my side delts..............most go way too heavy and then complain that they lack width.
Go as heavy as possible,but with good form.......a bit of "controlled cheating" on the last few toughest reps is permissable.
i do them with cable,,they are good..
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x2...run the rack I do it and its for me best way..i tied going heavy/sloppy jerking them ,so I experimented with the drop rack sets and got great results finally.
Up n Down the rack not just down....
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best way to target side delt 100% with lateral raise is to do it with arms fully straight,flexing the triceps,but the irony is with that form you can never can go heavy,with the possibilities of elbow getting fucked etc..and it pretty much useless if you can't go progressive overload with it
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Is the earth really round?
Simply no, because Flat Earth Society exist ;D
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Simply no, because Flat Earth Society exist ;D
Wow, and that wasn't a joke :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
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played with that too done from front and pinned to sides as well ,,yeah 35's is most,40's I look like a car accident all over the place,taxes the shit out of your joints/cuffs.when I see pro's swinging 60/70's god bless them but it looks like a front raise by the time there done swinging them..
That light? I was feeling terrible because I'm not consistently using the 32 kg dumbells for 15 reps. :-[
Heaving seems to work for me, but with one important tweak: I always try to pause at the top of every rep. Even if it is just for a millisecond. No [attempt at] pause = no growth, just swinging.
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My go to exercise for side delts is behind the back laterals.........much better stretch of the lateral head in the bottom position.
I can totally isolate my side delts..............most go way too heavy and then complain that they lack width.
Go as heavy as possible,but with good form.......a bit of "controlled cheating" on the last few toughest reps is permissable.
Interesting, never heard of this one before. Will give it a shot. Hope my shoulder is flexible enough to allow that bottom position. :-\
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That light? I was feeling terrible because I'm not consistently using the 32 kg dumbells for 15 reps. :-[
Heaving seems to work for me, but with one important tweak: I always try to pause at the top of every rep. Even if it is just for a millisecond. No [attempt at] pause = no growth, just swinging.
your stronger cool..
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your stronger cool..
Nothing personal. I would just feel silly being the biggest guy in the gym but using only light weights. Not that I don't use lighter weights, in fact I often do. But only lifting weights that any gym rat can handle would feel weird to me. Must be my PL background.
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Guys please put your egos down, great side delts are built with lighter dumbells strict form and high reps. unless you have ronnie coleman genes your delts wont improve from heavy weights.
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Guys please put your egos down, great side delts are built with lighter dumbells strict form and high reps. unless you have ronnie coleman genes your delts wont improve from heavy weights.
Shit, this means I'm a hebrew! :D