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Title: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Army of One on June 17, 2014, 08:39:59 AM
Nobody can match them, even the Americans

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Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 17, 2014, 08:42:21 AM
DEVGRU was based around them, so they'd be the closest competition.

Thing is, all Special Ops teams have their own specialty... theyre not really comparable.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: MORTALCOIL on June 17, 2014, 08:45:34 AM
Do they lift?
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
 I only met and knew 2 Guys who passed selection. One lived here in Celle was an ex Royal Anglian and we trained together, the other was a Sgt in my Regt.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
Do they lift?
The Guy i trained with did but later re-joined the Army and did SAS selection. was a very,very fit Bastard and strong. Not Big but strong.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 17, 2014, 08:54:01 AM
Polish GROM forces are bad ass as are the Canadian Snipers, USN SEALs, Green Berets, etc.

All have specialities
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
Polish GROM forces are bad ass as are the Canadian Snipers, USN SEALs, Green Berets, etc.

All have specialities
all are good. we also had 264 Signal Squadron who did a course on par with the Paras and wore the SAS Beret but Royal signals Cap badge. Met a few of them. Very laid back guys. Kept themselves to themselves.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: benchmstr on June 17, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
DEVGRU was based around them, so they'd be the closest competition.

Thing is, all Special Ops teams have their own specialty... theyre not really comparable.
ALL spec ops groups were based on the SAS....not just devgru..

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Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Darren Avey on June 17, 2014, 11:40:54 AM
Israeli specials are supposed to be pretty damn bad ass too
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: benchmstr on June 17, 2014, 11:44:11 AM
Israeli specials are supposed to be pretty damn bad ass too
they really arent special forces anymore...more of a government attachment..kinda like the CIA SAD team, and DEA FAST team..

but israeli should have an exceptional spec ops group..they used enough of our money building it

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Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 17, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
ALL spec ops groups were based on the SAS....not just devgru..

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Eh... to a point... but DEVGRU is the only one specifically modeled around the SAS. The rest kind of evolved out of their own specific mission set.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: benchmstr on June 17, 2014, 11:50:38 AM
Eh... to a point... but DEVGRU is the only one specifically modeled around the SAS. The rest kind of evolved out of their own specific mission set.
basically all our tier 1 groups are a specific model...DEVGRU, DELTA, whatever group the air force is calling their tier 1 anymore..

really DEVGRU isnt that much higher than a regular SEAL...they get much better jump training and a pretty much unlimited budget...which means all the LBT gear, and Arc'teryx gear they can fit on their bodies and in a kit lol

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Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on June 17, 2014, 12:06:15 PM
The SAS showed these Iranians a thing or two back in 1980 during the London embassy siege. I remember watching this unfold live on TV and thinking they had blown themselves up but they were just blasting thru the wall so they could shoot dead the Iranian terrorists while saving all captives.

This was the incident which made everyone in the UK aware of the SAS which had pretty much been a secret outwith the military.


Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Waller on June 17, 2014, 12:13:16 PM
Aren't the SBS as good as or better than SAS?
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: polychronopolous on June 17, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
You've got men in the United States who have been out there religiously shooting firearms since they were 5 years old with their Dads, Uncles, Older Brothers etc.

Put enough of those types together and I think they're gonna be able to handle themselves with just about anybody.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 17, 2014, 01:39:10 PM
Send them to Iraq to clean up shit.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: _aj_ on June 17, 2014, 01:42:57 PM
You've got men in the United States who have been out there religiously shooting firearms since they were 5 years old with their Dads, Uncles, Older Brothers etc.

Put enough of those types together and I think they're gonna be able to handle themselves with just about anybody.

Being good with a gun is like 1% of what operators do. I am as good with a gun, any gun, as anybody I know. I can Mozambique 3 guys in under 5 seconds. But I am not even close to being prepared for a real op. It's fitness, training and mental toughness.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 17, 2014, 01:50:51 PM
Being good with a gun is like 1% of what operators do. I am as good with a gun, any gun, as anybody I know. I can Mozambique 3 guys in under 5 seconds. But I am not even close to being prepared for a real op. It's fitness, training and mental toughness.
And the willingness to go to any lengths to achieve success... even if it means death.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Waller on June 17, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
And the willingness to go to any lengths to achieve success... even if it means death.

ESFitness would be perfect!
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on June 17, 2014, 01:55:20 PM
How is technology effecting these groups of people? Has it gotten to the point where these guys have to be smart as fuck now?
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: denarii on June 17, 2014, 01:56:20 PM
i knew two people. one guy left, got fat, became a private investigator. the other guy did his back in on a jump and left.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 17, 2014, 02:03:30 PM
How is technology effecting these groups of people? Has it gotten to the point where these guys have to be smart as fuck now?
I know a lot of them have to be extgremely intelligent... some SEALs have to be able to qualified nuclear capable to some degree.

There tech gear is cool, and they have all state of the art stuff, but they still have to rely on a lot of old fashioned shit in case their flashy gear fails them. (Which happens more than people like to admit, from what I've been told)
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Lustral on June 17, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
The SAS showed these Iranians a thing or two back in 1980 during the London embassy siege. I remember watching this unfold live on TV and thinking they had blown themselves up but they were just blasting thru the wall so they could shoot dead the Iranian terrorists while saving all captives.

This was the incident which made everyone in the UK aware of the SAS which had pretty much been a secret outwith the military.




Funniest thing about that is thousands of people complained to BBC that a live siege on terrorists, we're talking explosives, jumping through windows on ropes and saving hostages, was shown instead of snooker   ;D
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: headhuntersix on June 17, 2014, 02:18:08 PM
These threads are funny as hell.  If you want to train an indigenous force to conduct unconventional warfare then our Green Berets are tough to beat as trainers and advisors. If you want somebody shot in the face either Delta or the SAS are the way to go...if want a bunch of Oakley wearing cowboys with high cardio and good hair..send the SEALs. You'll also get to read about it everywhere. 
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 17, 2014, 02:19:22 PM
These threads are funny as hell.  If you want to train an indigenous force to conduct unconventional warfare then our Green Berets are tough to beat as trainers and advisors. If you want somebody shot in the face either Delta or the SAS are the way to go...if want a bunch of Oakley wearing cowboys with high cardio and good hair..send the SEALs. You'll also get to read about it everywhere. 
Haha..

How is MARSOC fitting in these days? Last I heard they were kind of struggling to find their niche...
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: benchmstr on June 17, 2014, 02:27:36 PM
Haha..

How is MARSOC fitting in these days? Last I heard they were kind of struggling to find their niche...
they still havent got in the game good yet...people are calling them SEAL lite...

once they pic up steam i think you will be hearing a lot less out green berets..

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Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: GraniteCityDon on June 17, 2014, 04:27:14 PM
Not enough known about the SBS to say for sure how they compare but ill bet my life they are as good as / better than just about anything we know about. SAS are generally accepted as #1 without bias, one i personally rank VERY high is the Pathfinder Platoon.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 18, 2014, 01:33:24 AM
The Intelligence Corps of the British Army is very sneaky Beaky. In N ireland were very active. they have elements who are very under cover and itīs all kept quite. this is what makes them very Dangerous. Remember Meeting one who was Intelligence Corps or SAS i donīt know, came up to me showed his ID and wanted to enter camp. Had a beard and looked like a tramp. We had next to us very high Ranking Staff Officers so it was known that there were Undercover operations going on. Guy just walked up and smiled and said, allright mate... i knew straight away but had to send him into the Guard room. The Duty Guard commander just came out winked at me and said heīs OK. Said it all.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Teutonic Knight on June 18, 2014, 03:53:11 AM
Polish GROM forces are bad ass as are the Canadian Snipers, USN SEALs, Green Berets, etc.

All have specialities

I'll put my money on Israelis,German GSG9 & French Foreign Legion (Calvi guy's)  ;)
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 18, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
I'll put my money on Israelis,German GSG9 & French Foreign Legion (Calvi guy's)  ;)
The GSG9 are good by all accounts but not in my opinion like the SAS. The worlds best in Anti terrorism is the SAS...end of Chat.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 18, 2014, 04:07:00 AM
watch all the parts very interesting.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: benchmstr on June 18, 2014, 09:31:13 AM
The GSG9 are good by all accounts but not in my opinion like the SAS. The worlds best in Anti terrorism is the SAS...end of Chat.

contrary to popular belief the GSG9 really arent that broad of an operational team either..

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Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: denarii on June 18, 2014, 11:55:33 AM
This guys sbs bio was a great read

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Falconer
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 18, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
This guys sbs bio was a great read

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Falconer
have to look later on my phone  can't open it. Have to read it . Everyone knows the book Bravo two zero....a classic from Andy mcnab...pen name. Ex SAS
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Griffith on June 18, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
Till 1980, the Rhodesian SAS were probably the best and till 1994 the South African Recce's.

Now, most likely the Israelis.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 18, 2014, 01:36:53 PM
Till 1980, the Rhodesian SAS were probably the best and till 1994 the South African Recce's

Now, most likely the Israelis.
SAS was formed in the 2nd ww.. long range desert groups in Africa against Rommel. But I agree Israel has very good people.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Rudee on June 18, 2014, 02:21:20 PM
Canada's elite JTF2 commandos are bad ass.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: denarii on June 18, 2014, 02:31:51 PM
Till 1980, the Rhodesian SAS were probably the best and till 1994 the South African Recce's.

Now, most likely the Israelis.

peter mcaleese in his auto bio no mean soldier fought in rhodesia and sth africa after he was kicked out of the sas for fighting after going to the pub with other troopers.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Mean-Soldier-Peter-McAleese/dp/1857972503
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: daddy8ball on June 18, 2014, 08:47:10 PM
I would look at training budget.

Nor ought we to believe that there is much difference between man and man, but to think that the superiority lies with him who is reared in the severest school.” ― Thucydides

My argument is that a bigger budget can afford a more "severe school".

In that light, I would lean toward SEALS whose training budget is unmatched anywhere.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 19, 2014, 01:17:47 AM
John McAleese one of the SAS men who went in the window at the Iranian Embassy siege. What a way to be remembered! :)
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Griffith on June 19, 2014, 01:35:33 AM
peter mcaleese in his auto bio no mean soldier fought in rhodesia and sth africa after he was kicked out of the sas for fighting after going to the pub with other troopers.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Mean-Soldier-Peter-McAleese/dp/1857972503

Thanks, will check it out.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: hrspwr1 on June 19, 2014, 06:24:16 AM
There is a 165lb USAF Lieutenant in Kansas with a set of keys that can destroy the planet from his chair.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 19, 2014, 06:27:28 AM
There is a 165lb USAF Lieutenant in Kansas with a set of keys that can destroy the planet from his chair.
Lol.....
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: irishdave on June 19, 2014, 06:47:20 AM
The Intelligence Corps of the British Army is very sneaky Beaky. In N ireland were very active. they have elements who are very under cover and itīs all kept quite. this is what makes them very Dangerous. Remember Meeting one who was Intelligence Corps or SAS i donīt know, came up to me showed his ID and wanted to enter camp. Had a beard and looked like a tramp. We had next to us very high Ranking Staff Officers so it was known that there were Undercover operations going on. Guy just walked up and smiled and said, allright mate... i knew straight away but had to send him into the Guard room. The Duty Guard commander just came out winked at me and said heīs OK. Said it all.


Didn't a lot of them go undercover into Catholic bars? I remember one of them blew his cover because he got drunk, started singing on stage and his accent slipped. He got executed later that night in a woods. You gotta be crazy to do that undercover stuff
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 19, 2014, 07:07:56 AM

Didn't a lot of them go undercover into Catholic bars? I remember one of them blew his cover because he got drunk and started singing on stage and his accent slipped and he got executed later that night in a woods. You gotta be crazy to do that undercover stuff
Well if he did he was an idiot. what i heard and saw over there i canīt write on here. I remember we had the 2 can rule, meaning no more than 2 Beers. Went out the window and i remember going in a Bar with another guy and i mean you could hear a pin drop. Then they heard my scottish Accent and started talking again. We knew it was a Loyalist Bar and when i went to the Bar to get a couple of pints a known Player was across from me and looked over( was a known Terrorist). Never said anything to us. looking back at it now we were very stupid. this was in 1987 and it was still quite volatile.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: beakdoctor on June 19, 2014, 07:36:39 AM
I thought the Mossad was recognized as the best- hands down.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: irishdave on June 19, 2014, 07:44:31 AM
Well if he did he was an idiot. what i heard and saw over there i canīt write on here. I remember we had the 2 can rule, meaning no more than 2 Beers. Went out the window and i remember going in a Bar with another guy and i mean you could hear a pin drop. Then they heard my scottish Accent and started talking again. We knew it was a Loyalist Bar and when i went to the Bar to get a couple of pints a known Player was across from me and looked over( was a known Terrorist). Never said anything to us. looking back at it now we were very stupid. this was in 1987 and it was still quite volatile.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1020695/Heroic-undercover-soldier-Robert-Nairac-savagely-executed-IRA-Will-yesterday-arrest-solve-mystery-missing-body.html

"To IRA sympathisers, he was a spy, pure and simple, who was caught in the act.

Nairac was not, in fact, a member of the SAS. He had trained with the elite Army outfit, but had not stayed long enough to be 'badged', as those in the Regiment call themselves."
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 19, 2014, 07:49:05 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1020695/Heroic-undercover-soldier-Robert-Nairac-savagely-executed-IRA-Will-yesterday-arrest-solve-mystery-missing-body.html

"To IRA sympathisers, he was a spy, pure and simple, who was caught in the act.

Nairac was not, in fact, a member of the SAS. He had trained with the elite Army outfit, but had not stayed long enough to be 'badged', as those in the Regiment call themselves."
so let me ask you Dave where do your sympathies Lie?
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: irishdave on June 19, 2014, 07:54:33 AM
so let me ask you Dave where do your sympathies Lie?

With the Nationalists
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: _aj_ on June 19, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
With the Nationalists

As an ignorant Yank, I have no idea what "Nationalists" or "Loyalists" means. I could ask my wife whose family hails from Leitrim, but why bother. I understand "IRA" and "England".
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 19, 2014, 10:26:03 AM
As an ignorant Yank, I have no idea what "Nationalists" or "Loyalists" means. I could ask my wife whose family hails from Leitrim, but why bother. I understand "IRA" and "England".
Well it means that me and Dave were in essence enemies at the time.. although itīs complicated and i was a soldier . Dave and me pmīd today and discussed this and are not enemies at all. Not easy to understand i know but never mind ;)
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Teutonic Knight on June 19, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
The GSG9 are good by all accounts but not in my opinion like the SAS. The worlds best in Anti terrorism is the SAS...end of Chat.


Nope, remember Northern Ireland & score was .................!
+ GSG9 is better equip  ;)
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 20, 2014, 02:33:38 AM
What is sad is you get People pretending to be Special Forces... ::)
http://www.smh.com.au/world/i-made-a-dumb-mistake-new-zealand-man-admits-pretending-to-be-decorated-sas-soldier-20140227-hvdxz.html
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 20, 2014, 03:20:38 AM
Well it means that me and Dave were in essence enemies at the time.. although itīs complicated and i was a soldier . Dave and me pmīd today and discussed this and are not enemies at all. Not easy to understand i know but never mind ;)

Where does our old friend Goudy fit into this?  ???

Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: irishdave on June 20, 2014, 04:21:04 AM
Where does our old friend Goudy fit into this?  ???



I think he's a catholic isn't he
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 20, 2014, 04:23:59 AM
I think he's a catholic isn't he
and Irish too... ;D
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 20, 2014, 04:29:59 AM
I think he's a catholic isn't he

Yeah, hardcore Catholic if I remember right.  ;D

So irishdave, are you on the side of Whitey Bulger and his friends in Ireland?
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 20, 2014, 05:01:17 AM
why do People do this and pretend to be Special Forces? this guy exposes them... ;D
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Donny on June 20, 2014, 05:04:47 AM
check out this Dickhead who was exposed on Facebook.. NO ex SAS man Tattoos the badge on his arm... ::) what a bell end...
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Submissionfytr on June 21, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
An American martial arts master, who is a top percent combat shooter (in competitions, with moving targets, etc.) trains many SWAT teams in firearms, combat readiness, tactics and just about everything related to law enforcement, told me he believes the SAS are the most accurate shooters of any special force division. He said they're guys are much more proficient than our best military special forces (SEALS, Rangers, etc.). Surprised me, but I take his opinion higher than any others.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Dago_Joe on June 21, 2014, 02:49:20 PM
Yeah, but they have bad british teeth.  That's why SEALS rule:  nice American teeth.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Teutonic Knight on June 21, 2014, 03:00:55 PM
An American martial arts master, who is a top percent combat shooter (in competitions, with moving targets, etc.) trains many SWAT teams in firearms, combat readiness, tactics and just about everything related to law enforcement, told me he believes the SAS are the most accurate shooters of any special force division. He said they're guys are much more proficient than our best military special forces (SEALS, Rangers, etc.). Surprised me, but I take his opinion higher than any others.

1 individual could not train  everything !.
Germans & Israelis have far the best gear.
The best shooters ,hmm Finlands snipers whacked so many Russians !.
US & Australia lost just too many man in Afghanistan , ???.
In Afghanistan , US operated in too large groups,others like Germans,British,Croats & Australians in much smaller numbers.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: The Ugly on June 21, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Eh... to a point... but DEVGRU is the only one specifically modeled around the SAS. The rest kind of evolved out of their own specific mission set.

This is the former Team 6, correct? Shock, are you familiar with WWII's Marine Raider Battalion?

Also, big respect to SAS.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Your Average GymRat on June 21, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
(http://theseconddisc.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/organization.jpg)
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 21, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
This is the former Team 6, correct? Shock, are you familiar with WWII's Marine Raider Battalion?

Also, big respect to SAS.
Yes, the raiders are kind of legendary to us. The forefathers of Recon.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: The Ugly on June 21, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
Yes, the raiders are kind of legendary to us. The forefathers of Recon.

Awesome. My gramp was 1st Battalion, but I never really knew much about them growing up. Just knew he fought in Okinawa, etc. Looked it up later, actually found his name on their website. Their history is pretty remarkable.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: catracho on June 21, 2014, 08:49:19 PM
I heard this guy was the best!
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: syntaxmachine on June 21, 2014, 11:48:44 PM
He served three years in the Pacific theater before getting his jaw blown off in battle.

...but NEVER talked about his personal experience, even with my dad.

Well, yeah.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: Shockwave on June 22, 2014, 12:38:20 AM
Well, yeah.
*chuckles*
Wrong, but funny. I shouldnt, but i couldnt help but laugh at that.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: The Ugly on June 22, 2014, 04:42:58 PM
Well, yeah.

Damn, saw what you/I did.

It was restored or repaired. Just the scars.
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: delta9mda on June 22, 2014, 07:05:17 PM
the top groups are all very very close. they all cross train same techniques etc. how do you measure "best"?   
Title: Re: British SAS are the best in the world
Post by: CalvinH on June 23, 2014, 12:08:33 PM
Yeah, but they have bad british teeth.  That's why SEALS rule:  nice American teeth.



Hi CalvinH ;D