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Today is anniversary of German invasion of the Soviet Union. Most destructive military campaign in history.
Greatest military invasion in history started exactly 73 years ago.
22. June 1941
Operation Barbarossa
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Hitler explaining reasons for invasion:
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Germans were CRAZY TOUGH !
Best engineers in the world, great equipment, great leadership in the field .... but ultimately good always conquers evil in the end
Germany has given the world A LOT ! science, medicine, religion, industry, the arts, they have touched every area of human endeavor and accomplishment, a great people for sure
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Germans were CRAZY TOUGH !
Best engineers in the world, great equipment, great leadership in the field .... but ultimately good always conquers evil in the end
Germany has given the world A LOT ! science, medicine, religion, industry, the arts, they have touched every area of human endeavor and accomplishment, a great people for sure
They LOST! German superiority always gets overrated - they over-reached and got there arses kicked.
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The Germans were good, for sure. But in the case of a Soviet armor, quantity has a quality all it's own.
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They LOST! German superiority always gets overrated - they over-reached and got there arses kicked.
They took on the entire world and could have won if it weren't for Hitler.
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They LOST! German superiority always gets overrated - they over-reached and got there arses kicked.
Yes. However, they basically took on THE ENTIRE WORLD and almost won. Without a handful of tactical/diplomatic blunders on their part, the outcome of this war could have been very different.
I often wonder what the world would be like today if this had been the case. Would USSR still have become a super-power and smashed them later irregardless? Not sure.
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Yes. However, they basically took on THE ENTIRE WORLD and almost won. Without a handful of tactical/diplomatic blunders on their part, the outcome of this war could have been very different.
I often wonder what the world would be like today if this had been the case. Would USSR still have become a super-power and smashed them later irregardless? Not sure.
PORN would all be pissing and bukkake. But seriously, the GERMANS weren't alone, they had allies in Japan and Italy. Just be grateful the Japanese were neutered effectively. We have the Russians to thanks for all this., the US were late to the party and the Japanese would have surrendered anyway as they also feared the might Russians.
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PORN would all be pissing and bukkake. But seriously, the GERMANS weren't alone, they had allies in Japan and Italy. Just be grateful the Japanese were neutered effectively. We have the Russians to thanks for all this., the US were late to the party and the Japanese would have surrendered anyway as they also feared the might Russians.
Japan was certainly not a negligible ally (kept US forces tied up elsewhere if nothing else) but Italy was pretty incompetent military-wise and practically useless weren't they?
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The Germans have ALWAYS been tough, going as far back to Rome -(yeah not Germany yet I know) - but the Germanic peoples in the same area were nobody to fool with, like the Scottish just freakin' tough people
WW1 they came close, WW2 same deal, almost winning a land locked 2 front war.... BEST engineers and military equipment in the world, hands down, their technology and science achievements laid the ground work for much of the 20th century human expansion into almost every field imagineable
People who say the Germans were over rated, I just don't get their logic
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The Germans have ALWAYS been tough, going as far back to Rome -(yeah not Germany yet I know) - but the Germanic peoples in the same area were nobody to fool with, like the Scottish just freakin' tough people
WW1 they came close, WW2 same deal, almost winning a land locked 2 front war.... BEST engineers and military equipment in the world, hands down, their technology and science achievements laid the ground work for much of the 20th century human expansion into almost every field imagineable
People who say the Germans were over rated, I just don't get their logic
Because they LOST! This has to count for something.
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They took on the whole world..
He sent his troops to conquer Russia with no winter clothes, took on superpowers countries U.S and USSR. UK was also considered a very powerful country which he bombed and was allied with the USA, 'Murica would eventually entered the war.. 'cus they would not watch Hitler pwn the UK into a living pulp!
Hitler almost defeated England and his mistake was stopping the blitz bombing of England.
He could have taken all control over Western Europe and stopped fighting and bided his time for 5 years before deciding to attack Russia. After all, he should have learned from Napoleon who also tried to conquer Russia during the winter months! Napoleon lost and so did Hitler.
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Japan was certainly not a negligible ally (kept US forces tied up elsewhere if nothing else) but Italy was pretty incompetent military-wise and practically useless weren't they?
yup!!
Hopeless choice of ally in Mussolini who caved in..
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Because they LOST! This has to count for something.
Yeah, and Bas Rutin would probably lose in a fight against you, Shizzo, Vince Basile, Uncle Junior, and Bluto. What's your point?
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Yeah, and Bas Rutin would probably lose in a fight against you, Shizzo, Vince Basile, Uncle Junior, and Bluto. What's your point?
No he wouldnt.
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They took on the entire world and could have won if it weren't for Hitler.
QFT, Hitler had no military intelligence and over ruled his military's leader's decisions. He fought in every direction. His army was spread too thin to take on Russia. Toward the end he had the jet plane but it was to late to go into wide spread production. He could have changed the course of the war.
I just read "Shadow Divers." It's a about a sunk Nazi submarine right off the coast of New Jersey that no American records exist of it's sinking. Imagine their sub was within spitting distance of Manhattan.
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FUCK HITLER !!
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The German were doing great until they made the mistake of bombing Pearl Harbor, as described in the documentary Animal House.
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I'm not a big WW2 historian buff by any means but did Germany REALLY ever have a chance to pull it off?
They always had USSR to contend with and eventually they would have to face The US who already had the ultimate game changer with Nuclear Weaponry PLUS a whole country full of armed civilians. Tough to see them overcoming that obstacle.
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Sure...start the invasion earlier when they wanted to instead of later in the spring. Delay another year until they had a bigger mechanized force...develop a heavy bomber....the small things that led to their defeat are crazy. They had a chance....
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FUCK HITLER !!
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That's what they want you to think. Hitler was installed by the powers that be. Just another tool/puppet/boogeyman to blame everything on. People need to ask themselves... where did the Germans get all the money to manufacture all those tanks, bombs, airplanes, ships, subs, rockets, guns, ammo, etc... ? They didn't steal it from Jews, that's for sure.
Same thing is going on today with current terrorists (whatever name they give them). Central bankers provide the financing and the US/CIA is training and arming them.
95% of people are totally asleep and believe everything the media shoves down their throat. Critical thinkers are a rare breed.
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yup!!
Hopeless choice of ally in Mussolini who caved in..
Mussolini did not surrender, he was betrayed by opportunists in his Grand Council who could see that Germany would not win the war.
However, the Germans suspected this and sent an occupation force into Italy.
As a result, half of Italy was surrendered to the Allies.
Mussolini was rescued from imprisonment and led the Italian Social Republic from 1943-1945. In this period, Italian soldiers of this state continued to fight the Allies right till the end of the war.
So half of Italy fell to the Allies while the other half formed a die-hard militarised Fascist state.
Remember, it was Italy which invented Fascism, as well as the concept of a totalitarian, uniformed and militarised society.
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Operation Barbarossa = their greatest mistake.
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Mussolini did not surrender, he was betrayed by opportunists in his Grand Council who could see that Germany would not win the war.
However, the Germans suspected this and sent an occupation force into Italy.
As a result, half of Italy was surrendered to the Allies.
Mussolini was rescued from imprisonment and led the Italian Social Republic from 1943-1945. In this period, Italian soldiers of this state continued to fight the Allies right till the end of the war.
So half of Italy fell to the Allies while the other half formed a die-hard militarised Fascist state.
Remember, it was Italy which invented Fascism, as well as the concept of a totalitarian, uniformed and militarised society.
Ok... thanks for the info!(the more you know the better....)
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No he wouldnt.
haha... you know what I mean though. ;D
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QFT, Hitler had no military intelligence and over ruled his military's leader's decisions. He fought in every direction. His army was spread too thin to take on Russia. Toward the end he had the jet plane but it was to late to go into wide spread production. He could have changed the course of the war.
I just read "Shadow Divers." It's a about a sunk Nazi submarine right off the coast of New Jersey that no American records exist of it's sinking. Imagine their sub was within spitting distance of Manhattan.
That's interesting, I need to get that book. I read about a uboat letting off a few spies that came ashore on the coast somewhere in the US and lived here for a while or something.
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I'm not a big WW2 historian buff by any means but did Germany REALLY ever have a chance to pull it off?
They always had USSR to contend with and eventually they would have to face The US who already had the ultimate game changer with Nuclear Weaponry PLUS a whole country full of armed civilians. Tough to see them overcoming that obstacle.
I'm not a buff either, I just find WW2 fascinating, but I don't think Germany had any solid plans to invade USA (their victory in Europe surely didn't depend on it). If they could have achieved dominance of continental Europe I'm not sure USA would have entered the war.
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Yeah, and Bas Rutin would probably lose in a fight against you, Shizzo, Vince Basile, Uncle Junior, and Bluto. What's your point?
No he wouldnt.
LOL
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That's interesting, I need to get that book. I read about a uboat letting off a few spies that came ashore on the coast somewhere in the US and lived here for a while or something.
Watch "When Hitler Invaded America" or something close to that. It's on Netflix and is about their uboats off the east coast. There's a bunch of them sunk off of Carolina.
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That's interesting, I need to get that book. I read about a uboat letting off a few spies that came ashore on the coast somewhere in the US and lived here for a while or something.
UBoats were sunk off the coast of NC as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-352
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That's interesting, I need to get that book. I read about a uboat letting off a few spies that came ashore on the coast somewhere in the US and lived here for a while or something.
http://nchumanities.org/programs/road-scholars/north-carolina%E2%80%99s-u-boats-%E2%80%93-u-85-u-701-u-352
Carolina’s U-Boats – U-85, U-701, U-352
Jim Bunch
Hitler declared war on the United States on Dec. 11, 1941 – four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. German U-boats soon began crossing the Atlantic and sinking American shipping along the North Carolina coast. Some of these attacks were within sight of coastal residents. By August of that year three of these boats – U-85, U-701 and U-352 were also sunk within 20 miles of the North Carolina mainland. This PowerPoint presentation recounts a brief history of these boats, what remains of them today, and a detailed account of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s research expedition to them during the summer of 2008. During the expedition researchers surveyed and photographed the visible sections of the three submarines as well as studying the marine life found at the sites. The information collected during this expedition will be developed as part of a long range plan to preserve these historic sites.
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I've always been a big fan of the Battle of the Bulge
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Yeah, and Bas Rutin would probably lose in a fight against you, Shizzo, Vince Basile, Uncle Junior, and Bluto. What's your point?
hahahaha now this was an excellent answer
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QFT, Hitler had no military intelligence and over ruled his military's leader's decisions. He fought in every direction. His army was spread too thin to take on Russia. Toward the end he had the jet plane but it was to late to go into wide spread production. He could have changed the course of the war.
I just read "Shadow Divers." It's a about a sunk Nazi submarine right off the coast of New Jersey that no American records exist of it's sinking. Imagine their sub was within spitting distance of Manhattan.
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The British were already flying the Gloster Meteor in 1944. The Me-262 was a flying piece of shit by the way and only good for a few hours and then the engine had to be replaced.
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The British were already flying the Gloster Meteor in 1944. The Me-262 was a flying piece of shit by the way and only good for a few hours and then the engine had to be replaced.
Did you read about the NBA prospect who had to give up his dream of playing professional basketball because of his Marfan syndrome?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/genetic-disorder-ends-the-career-of-nba-prospect-isaiah-austin-181730781.html
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People always underestimate the size of the Soviet Union.
Over and over again. It's big people! ::)
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Germany had no 4 engine heavy bombers in the war, thus no means of retaliating later in the war. All he had was the V2 rockets.
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Hitlers rash decisions were a result of violent mood swings brought about by inconsistent hormone levels. If he hadn't been such a girl and split up his weekly testoviron dosage into eod shots Germany may just have won the war.
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The only military invasion that could rival Barbarossa would probably be Hannibal's invasion of Rome...
Just to clear up some things:
1.Germany was not trying to 'take over the world' ( ::)) and never had even close to the means required for such an undertaking. The whole idea we have been taught since kids that germany 'tried to take over the world' is complete and total revisionist bullshit.
2.germany was NEVER a threat to the united states. Even at the peak of their power they didnt even have close to the means-much less the desire- to attack or invade america. The modern idea that 'we would all be speaking german' if we didnt go fight them is just more bullshit propoganda.
3. Germany didnt even start the war. Britain (largely churchill) declared war on them, not the other way around. The irony is that germany admired britain and wanted peace, or even an alliance, with them, and did not threaten britain in any way whatsoever untill britain declared war on them. Britain brought france in with them, as well as their global empire, and eventually brought the united states into it as well. Britain started WW2, not germany...but the winners write the history so you know the rest.
4. Germany had the best soldiers and the best technology and were without doubt the superior force. The allies and the soviets only caught up to them towards the end of the war when germany and its industrial capacity-not to mention its population itself-were in ruins. Even then, the americans and the soviets scrambled to bring in all the german scientists they could, because they were better than theirs were.
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The only military invasion that could rival Barbarossa would probably be Hannibal's invasion of Rome...
Just to clear up some things:
1.Germany was not trying to 'take over the world' ( ::)) and never had even close to the means required for such an undertaking. The whole idea we have been taught since kids that germany 'tried to take over the world' is complete and total revisionist bullshit.
2.germany was NEVER a threat to the united states. Even at the peak of their power they didnt even have close to the means-much less the desire- to attack or invade america. The modern idea that 'we would all be speaking german' if we didnt go fight them is just more bullshit propoganda.
3. Germany didnt even start the war. Britain (largely churchill) declared war on them, not the other way around. The irony is that germany admired britain and wanted peace, or even an alliance, with them, and did not threaten britain in any way whatsoever untill britain declared war on them. Britain brought france in with them, as well as their global empire, and eventually brought the united states into it as well. Britain started WW2, not germany...but the winners write the history so you know the rest.
4. Germany had the best soldiers and the best technology and were without doubt the superior force. The allies and the soviets only caught up to them towards the end of the war when germany and its industrial capacity-not to mention its population itself-were in ruins. Even then, the americans and the soviets scrambled to bring in all the german scientists they could, because they were better than theirs were.
A-ryan post reported...
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D-day turned out ok :)
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I agree with 1, 2, 3, and some of 4. The Allies broke the German code relatively early in the war and both sides had technology advantages in certain areas.
Yes, the reason everyone thinks the german troops were superior is because for a long time most of them they had YEARS of combat experience. By the time D-day rolled around, most of those guys were dead on the eastern front and replaced by conscripts or hitler youth, with SS troops and the last of the older experienced guys thrown in to stiffen things up. Their armored forces were superior to anything britain and america could bring to the field until at least 1944, cannot contest that. Their Air Force was battle hardened, though severely outgunned/outmanned they put up a terrific effort despite the odds. On the eastern front, they got with I think 19 miles of Moscow, so yes, they were very close to victory even if they could not have taken the city they could have bypassed it and bombed it and shelled it into a smoking ruin at their leisure.
Hitler did fuck them up badly. Pushing for super weapons and new innovations in a time of dire straits was a huge mistake. Their current model tanks and planes and firearms were without a doubt very much up to par with what the allies had; no need to fix what wasn't broken. The troops themselves were as I said highly experienced and well trained/led soldiers. If they had invaded Britain in strength, Britain would have fallen in a matter of weeks the british forces were pitiful at that point, beaten and using outdated or hastily built equipment. The Royal Navy and RAF were top notch, but the german navy and air force could certainly have held them off long enough to allow troops and tanks to land in good quantity and then it would have been over. German firearms and military organization were top notch at that time- each squad of men had TWO mg34 or mg42 LMG's, with sub machine guns and rifles for the rest of the men. British and american squads of similar size and composition were all rifle armed, with maybe one or two smg's and sometimes an LMG. Did I mention that the LMG's the germans had were far superior to anything else on the battlefield at the time? Two to three times the fire rate of the browning m1919 of the USA and the bren gun (magazine loaded LOL) the brits used. Americans had better rifles though, semi auto and 8 round clips though the germans did bring out such weapons beginning in 1942-3 and they were designed to be better than the american rifles they sought to counter.
Tanks? IF the germans had focussed full time on production of the pzkpfwIV rather than trying to make their armor bigger and better with each radical new plan... They would have wrecked the russian t34 masses. The crews were far better trained and highly ecperienced too. Better 75mm l41 gun in the pz4 as well. Those high velocity AP rounds, cut thru russian steel like cheese for the most part.
Planes? America and UK had the best planes tbh, but the crews were all fresh until they got some time in the air, and the luftwaffe were battle hardened guys who had years of combat flight under their belts dating back to 1935 and the spanish civil war just as the army had. It's a 50/50 until 1944 when better german fighters came out like the late model fw190's. Heavier armaments like quad 20mm cannons would shred everything USA and UK put in the air. Too bad they ran out of good pilots by then. No heavy bomber yes, but the mediums they did have still wreaked havoc curing the blitz and the battle of britain.
And no the blitz was a huge mistake. it lost them the war with britain. focussing on civilian targets when plenty of military targets are still there is a big no no. They fucked up and took vengeance on the brits when they bombed a german city in retaliation for a mistaken bombing of london by a single german bomber crew lost at night. The germans went tunnel vision, and got into a war of attrition they couldnt win with those medium bombers while they were getting pounded by brit and yank heavys on a daily basis. if theyd stuck to RAF bases and the like, it could have been very different. They could have also destroyed the oryal navy by air once theyd dealt with the RAF, both of which were feasible goals in 1941.
lot of mistakes.
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The only military invasion that could rival Barbarossa would probably be Hannibal's invasion of Rome...
Just to clear up some things:
1.Germany was not trying to 'take over the world' ( ::)) and never had even close to the means required for such an undertaking. The whole idea we have been taught since kids that germany 'tried to take over the world' is complete and total revisionist bullshit.
2.germany was NEVER a threat to the united states. Even at the peak of their power they didnt even have close to the means-much less the desire- to attack or invade america. The modern idea that 'we would all be speaking german' if we didnt go fight them is just more bullshit propoganda.
3. Germany didnt even start the war. Britain (largely churchill) declared war on them, not the other way around. The irony is that germany admired britain and wanted peace, or even an alliance, with them, and did not threaten britain in any way whatsoever untill britain declared war on them. Britain brought france in with them, as well as their global empire, and eventually brought the united states into it as well. Britain started WW2, not germany...but the winners write the history so you know the rest.
4. Germany had the best soldiers and the best technology and were without doubt the superior force. The allies and the soviets only caught up to them towards the end of the war when germany and its industrial capacity-not to mention its population itself-were in ruins. Even then, the americans and the soviets scrambled to bring in all the german scientists they could, because they were better than theirs were.
Yes.
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I find it hilarious that some here would rather have seen the United States and allied forces lose. Germany never stood a chance. They were defeated December 11, 1941, the day they declared war on the United States.
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I find it hilarious that some here would rather have seen the United States and allied forces lose. Germany never stood a chance. They were defeated December 11, 1941, the day they declared war on the United States.
Yes.
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We all know why people would have liked to see Germany win.
Why is that? Jews have done more for society, science and human progress in the last 100 years than anyone else. What have your Mexican brethren ever done except make good food?
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I find it hilarious that some here would rather have seen the United States and allied forces lose. Germany never stood a chance. They were defeated December 11, 1941, the day they declared war on the United States.
Soviet Union invasion was a death sentence for Germany.
'Operation Barbarossa was the largest military operation in world history in both manpower and casualties. Its failure was a turning point in the Third Reich's fortunes. Most importantly, Operation Barbarossa opened up the Eastern Front, to which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history. Regions covered by the operation became the site of some of the largest battles, deadliest atrocities, highest casualties, and most horrific conditions for Soviets and Germans alike—all of which influenced the course of both World War II and 20th-century history. '
Germans have more than 800,000 casualties.
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LOL!!!
They also keep our lawns looking fresh don't forget.
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Soviet Union invasion was a death sentence for Germany.
'Operation Barbarossa was the largest military operation in world history in both manpower and casualties. Its failure was a turning point in the Third Reich's fortunes. Most importantly, Operation Barbarossa opened up the Eastern Front, to which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history. Regions covered by the operation became the site of some of the largest battles, deadliest atrocities, highest casualties, and most horrific conditions for Soviets and Germans alike—all of which influenced the course of both World War II and 20th-century history. '
Germans have more than 800,000 casualties.
Russian casualties are estimated in the 20,000,000 range. Civilian and military combined. And by casualties I mean majority of them being deaths.
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the world would be a better place if man didnt exist.
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Russian casualties are estimated in the 20,000,000 range. Civilian and military combined. And by casualties I mean majority of them being deaths.
that is correct roughly 1/3 of total WW2 casualties.
this is amazing youtube clip with unpublished photos of aftermath of battle for Stalingrad.
Just incredible level of destruction, makes you speechless.
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that is correct roughly 1/3 of total WW2 casualties.
this is amazing youtube clip with unpublished photos of aftermath of battle for Stalingrad.
Just incredible level of destruction, makes you speechless.
Did you watch that new russian made film about stalingrad? It's quite good, a little like enemy at the gates really but still pretty good.
ww2 was truly the most horrible tragedy that ever happened. thankfully, it was not pointless like the first world war.
I don't think anyone can possibly fathom what 50 MILLION dead bodies look like. 50 MILLION. Yes, that is a rough estimate of total loss of life in the second world war. It blows my mind. I have visited many ww1 and ww2 battlefield in france- passchendale, the somme, ypres, omaha and utah beaches. It's just chilling, Truly chilling to think that so many tens of thousands died on the ground where I was walking. And died brutal painful sudden deaths might I add. Farmers in france still turn up old shells and remnants of the wars. I remember walking around in this field that had been recently plowed, and I could literally reach down and pick up shards of metal shrapnel from the dirt. In about 5 minutes I had collected a handful. There were probably some pieces in there that had hit and wounded or killed people. The cemetaries as well, rows and rows and rows of headstones all identical. And the great mausoleums where they ran out of room to put individual bodies, and simply piled them all into one big building; oftentimes, the un identifiable remains were put here.
War truly is the most evil thing in existence. It begins like a grand adventure to many and no one knows the full scale of what will occur, but by the end every party involved has suffered immensely, and thankfully that is why they end.
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We all know why people would have liked to see Germany win.
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The reason i thought it was a critical mistake for britain to declare war on germany instead of siding with them against tbe Soviet Union was because the soviet union represented a much greater threat to the western world and way of life.
By siding with germany and allowing them to finish off the soviet union:
Communism is strangled in its cradle and never spreads. The soviet union/cold war never happens. China doesnt go communist. Korean war doesnt happen. Vietnam doesnt happen. The spread of socialist ideology throught the western world maybe doesnt happen. Western europe retains their global empires, the western world and western ideology remains supreme, china is an ally.
By siding with the soviet union against germany:
Western europe is destroyed and left in ruins, britain loses their entire empire and world power status, western europe greatly weakened, western power in the world greatly reduced, soviet union/communism occupies half the continent, soviet union becomes a global superpower, cold war ensues, china goes Red and becomes an enemy/rival, wars in korea and vietnam, north korea happens (lol), socialist ideology spreads around the world, including the west, where it is firmly entrenched to this day.
That is why i wish we hadnt fought germany. The real enemy of the west was always the soviet union.
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The reason i thought it was a critical mistake for britain to declare war on germany instead of siding with them against tbe Soviet Union was because the soviet union represented a much greater threat to the western world and way of life.
By siding with germany and allowing them to finish off the soviet union:
Communism is strangled in its cradle and never spreads. The soviet union/cold war never happens. China doesnt go communist. Korean war doesnt happen. Vietnam doesnt happen. The spread of socialist ideology throught the western world maybe doesnt happen. Western europe retains their global empires, the western world and western ideology remains supreme, china is an ally.
By siding with the soviet union against germany:
Western europe is destroyed and left in ruins, britain loses their entire empire and world power status, western europe greatly weakened, western power in the world greatly reduced, soviet union/communism occupies half the continent, soviet union becomes a global superpower, cold war ensues, china goes Red and becomes an enemy/rival, wars in korea and vietnam, north korea happens (lol), socialist ideology spreads around the world, including the west, where it is firmly entrenched to this day.
That is why i wish we hadnt fought germany. The real enemy of the west was always the soviet union.
Bollocks
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Bollocks
He is dumb as a box of rocks.
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He is dumb as a box of rocks.
Correct me then 'genius'
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Did you watch that new russian made film about stalingrad? It's quite good, a little like enemy at the gates really but still pretty good.
ww2 was truly the most horrible tragedy that ever happened. thankfully, it was not pointless like the first world war.
I don't think anyone can possibly fathom what 50 MILLION dead bodies look like. 50 MILLION. Yes, that is a rough estimate of total loss of life in the second world war. It blows my mind. I have visited many ww1 and ww2 battlefield in france- passchendale, the somme, ypres, omaha and utah beaches. It's just chilling, Truly chilling to think that so many tens of thousands died on the ground where I was walking. And died brutal painful sudden deaths might I add. Farmers in france still turn up old shells and remnants of the wars. I remember walking around in this field that had been recently plowed, and I could literally reach down and pick up shards of metal shrapnel from the dirt. In about 5 minutes I had collected a handful. There were probably some pieces in there that had hit and wounded or killed people. The cemetaries as well, rows and rows and rows of headstones all identical. And the great mausoleums where they ran out of room to put individual bodies, and simply piled them all into one big building; oftentimes, the un identifiable remains were put here.
War truly is the most evil thing in existence. It begins like a grand adventure to many and no one knows the full scale of what will occur, but by the end every party involved has suffered immensely, and thankfully that is why they end.
Have not seen the new movie about Stalingrad, but I did like 'Enemy at the Gates'. Good movie.
check out this clip, flying over ruins of Berlin in 1945. Amazing footage
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that is correct roughly 1/3 of total WW2 casualties.
this is amazing youtube clip with unpublished photos of aftermath of battle for Stalingrad.
Just incredible level of destruction, makes you speechless.
damn, the music in that video is incredibly depressing. :'(