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What are Your best Fat Burn Suppoerters ( becouse diet is the most important ) while cutting time? T3, Clen, DNP, ECA... ? What is Your typical dose and why are You love it? :-)
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I use to heavily rely on DNP to lean out. However after numerous allergic breakouts I called it quits. I learned how to eat and train (how to really cut) and never ever needed it since.
Nutrition is where it's at NUMBER ONE.
Taking that into account. Year round I use caffeine and ephedrine preworkout. However mostly for that very purpose as a preworkout.
When I do cut, I use clen two weeks on two weeks off. It's stronger and causes less sides for me than caffeine and ephedrine. Everyone is different.
I never use T3, ever. I've conisdered it even recently but I stay away. I used it once 60-80mcg and it at threw my muscles and it was not worth it. I already have a fast metabolism BUT I am not a naturally lean person. So I learned how my body works, I eat for it, I train in the best manner for it.. and stay away from t3.
Good nutrition is where your fat burning starts.
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I never use T3, ever. I've conisdered it even recently but I stay away. I used it once 60-80mcg and it at threw my muscles and it was not worth it. I already have a fast metabolism BUT I am not a naturally lean person. So I learned how my body works, I eat for it, I train in the best manner for it.. and stay away from t3.
Even with ASS and right protein consumption ( i mean at least 1,5g/lb )?
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What are Your best Fat Burn Suppoerters ( becouse diet is the most important ) while cutting time? T3, Clen, DNP, ECA... ? What is Your typical dose and why are You love it? :-)
ECA slaughters all for overall results
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HGH and T4. ECA stacks, The more you can cutt without any drugs the better you eilll look omce you drop the dyazide the day before the show
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Even with ASS and right protein consumption ( i mean at least 1,5g/lb )?
even with test, tren, drol and 5000 kcal/day 200mcg/day t3 ate away at 45lbs.. went down to 5% bf and maintained that for many months.. evernthing after that was muscle that just ate away.. and landed in the ER unable to move my legs and arm. lol
best fatburner? I'd say alternating 3 weeks of clen and 2 weeks of ECA gets my vote for most ppl...
... add in 2g's of test, 1g of tren and 5iu gh, 2.5g/lb protein and keep your kcals below BMR.... and an hour of cardio/day... and you're good to go. ;)
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HGH and T4. ECA stacks, The more you can cutt without any drugs the better you eilll look omce you drop the dyazide the day before the show
Totally agree but it is hard though ;)
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even with test, tren, drol and 5000 kcal/day 200mcg/day t3 ate away at 45lbs.. went down to 5% bf and maintained that for many months.. evernthing after that was muscle that just ate away.. and landed in the ER unable to move my legs and arm. lol
best fatburner? I'd say alternating 3 weeks of clen and 2 weeks of ECA gets my vote for most ppl...
... add in 2g's of test, 1g of tren and 5iu gh, 2.5g/lb protein and keep your kcals below BMR.... and an hour of cardio/day... and you're good to go. ;)
oh shit, how did that happen?
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oh shit, how did that happen?
huh? where've you been? I've talked about this pretty often. lol
was using what I thought was t4 from manpower research, and it turned out I was using around 200mcg/day of t3 instead (the t4 wasn't t4, it was t3)... and after a month, I was down to 8% from 10%, then down to 7%, then down to 5% after about 3-4 months while still using my regular doses (which at that time was about 500mg test and about 300-400mg tren a with 100mg/day drol.. I'd gone from about 230/235 down to 220, then 215, then 210... and started getting comments like "dude, you're so skinny!" or "are you getting ready for a show?".. I was like .. uh.. no?.. I'm not doing anything different.. not dieting at all, still eating 5000kcals+ comprised of protein shakes, chicken and absolute crap (pizza, doughnuts, ect...).. then down to 200..
then 195 and started getting comments like "are you ok?.. have you been sick?"... "dude, your face is way sucken in.. I can see your cheekbones". lol... then I started to actually feel ill.. well, I'd been feeling ill for a month or so at least... and then that last month I increased my dosages (drol up to 250/day, ect...) and food intake.. but was still dropping weight and getting weaker and feeling more ill.. I'd get home at 10pm and I'd be dead tired and asleep on the couch by 10:15pm.. everyday i was absolutely drained and exhausted.
I thought I had liver issues so I'd gotten my liver labs done and the levels were elevated, esp bile, but no apparent liver issues... then one Monday I woke up with my hips/legs not working when I got out of bed. I'd thought I'd pinched a nerve in my back or something, because i was walking like a guy who walks with those hand crutches (like the guy in Something About Mary), but i had clients, so after about 15mins I'd 'walked it off' and went to work.
next day (tues) i was ok, but Wednesday morning i woke up with my legs WAYYY worse and unable to move again, and my left arm/chest was paralyed as well, so i went to the ER (in a wheelchair. lol.)... they hooked my up to iv bags (saline and electrolytes ect) and they took lab work.. i waited but had clients and after a while i could walk again so they let me go and i went back to train my clients.
next day (Thursday), i get a call from the dr saying my CK levels were 1500 or something and my thyroid was super high (i forget the number. he'd never imagined he'd see that number he says) and my tsh was "negative zero" whatever that means...and he tells me i need to "hyper-hydrate" to lower my CK levels... so that's what i did... then that day, i go to stand up out of my desk and walk 3 feet and my legs fold like an accordion. lol... then i walk out side to my truck and the same thing happens (right in front of a gym member. lol.. i tried to make it seem like i tripped. lol).. then later that night i fell inside the doorway to my home and gouge my ribs on the lock.. had to crawl and put an enourmous amout of effort to pull myself up using the cough.. then i fall in the kitchen and hit the hardwood HARD.. i thought i broke my arm (I'd broken 2 toes in the doorway fall).
so.. that night, i barely make it to bed and i left a gallon jug of water by the bed in case i had to pee and couldn't get out of bed... id' forgotten that ny alarm clock was across the room.
1am that night i wake up needing to pee.. and find that i was completely unable to move my legs and torso.. completely.. aside from my head/neck and my right arm and about 50% of my left arm.. so i text a friend who's a nurse in Boston (knowing she's the only one who'd be awake) and explain what'd happened... then she tells me "oh, well you hyper hydrated and your potassium is dead.. call an ambulance. lol"... i said fuck that, my doors locked and they're gonna have to break it down.. i'll wait. lol..
so, i wait in bed till morning and tie my phone to my wrist with my charger, knowing if I'd dropped it, there was no way I'd be able to get back up. and i swear to fucking god it took every ounce of strength i had in my to scoot myself up to the wall and use my head and shoulder to creep myself upright and "walk" like i was on stilts using the wall as a brace (I'd made it to yank the alarm out of the wall, else it'd be going off for hours with me lying there. lol)... so i make it to the door to unlock it and let my ride to the er in and have them help me get dressed... they were like "what do you need me to do?"... "everything" i said.. i couldn't do shit. lol..
so, we get to the ER and long story short... after 3 days and $160k including a handful of MRI's, they find out i had "Thyrotoxic Periodic Paralysis", and a simple potassium tablet had my legs moving again.
so, the high dose of T3 over about 9 months and about 45+ lbs (once I'd gotten down to 5%, everything else i lost was muscle), had depleted my potassium levels to a level where i was paralyzed.. levels so low they thought my heart would stop and I'd stop breathing. lol
about 90% of the pics you see people post of me on this site were during that time frame because i couldn't believe how small i was getting... and most the pics were of the 2-4wk period after i got out of the hospital and was putting back on size and took pics of the progress.
never using research chemical Co thyroid again.
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huh? where've you been? I've talked about this pretty often. lol
was using what I thought was t4 from manpower research, and it turned out I was using around 200mcg/day of t3 instead (the t4 wasn't t4, it was t3)... and after a month, I was down to 8% from 10%, then down to 7%, then down to 5% after about 3-4 months while still using my regular doses (which at that time was about 500mg test and about 300-400mg tren a with 100mg/day drol.. I'd gone from about 230/235 down to 220, then 215, then 210... and started getting comments like "dude, you're so skinny!" or "are you getting ready for a show?".. I was like .. uh.. no?.. I'm not doing anything different.. not dieting at all, still eating 5000kcals+ comprised of protein shakes, chicken and absolute crap (pizza, doughnuts, ect...).. then down to 200..
then 195 and started getting comments like "are you ok?.. have you been sick?"... "dude, your face is way sucken in.. I can see your cheekbones". lol... then I started to actually feel ill.. well, I'd been feeling ill for a month or so at least... and then that last month I increased my dosages (drol up to 250/day, ect...) and food intake.. but was still dropping weight and getting weaker and feeling more ill.. I'd get home at 10pm and I'd be dead tired and asleep on the couch by 10:15pm.. everyday i was absolutely drained and exhausted.
I thought I had liver issues so I'd gotten my liver labs done and the levels were elevated, esp bile, but no apparent liver issues... then one Monday I woke up with my hips/legs not working when I got out of bed. I'd thought I'd pinched a nerve in my back or something, because i was walking like a guy who walks with those hand crutches (like the guy in Something About Mary), but i had clients, so after about 15mins I'd 'walked it off' and went to work.
next day (tues) i was ok, but Wednesday morning i woke up with my legs WAYYY worse and unable to move again, and my left arm/chest was paralyed as well, so i went to the ER (in a wheelchair. lol.)... they hooked my up to iv bags (saline and electrolytes ect) and they took lab work.. i waited but had clients and after a while i could walk again so they let me go and i went back to train my clients.
next day (Thursday), i get a call from the dr saying my CK levels were 1500 or something and my thyroid was super high (i forget the number. he'd never imagined he'd see that number he says) and my tsh was "negative zero" whatever that means...and he tells me i need to "hyper-hydrate" to lower my CK levels... so that's what i did... then that day, i go to stand up out of my desk and walk 3 feet and my legs fold like an accordion. lol... then i walk out side to my truck and the same thing happens (right in front of a gym member. lol.. i tried to make it seem like i tripped. lol).. then later that night i fell inside the doorway to my home and gouge my ribs on the lock.. had to crawl and put an enourmous amout of effort to pull myself up using the cough.. then i fall in the kitchen and hit the hardwood HARD.. i thought i broke my arm (I'd broken 2 toes in the doorway fall).
so.. that night, i barely make it to bed and i left a gallon jug of water by the bed in case i had to pee and couldn't get out of bed... id' forgotten that ny alarm clock was across the room.
1am that night i wake up needing to pee.. and find that i was completely unable to move my legs and torso.. completely.. aside from my head/neck and my right arm and about 50% of my left arm.. so i text a friend who's a nurse in Boston (knowing she's the only one who'd be awake) and explain what'd happened... then she tells me "oh, well you hyper hydrated and your potassium is dead.. call an ambulance. lol"... i said fuck that, my doors locked and they're gonna have to break it down.. i'll wait. lol..
so, i wait in bed till morning and tie my phone to my wrist with my charger, knowing if I'd dropped it, there was no way I'd be able to get back up. and i swear to fucking god it took every ounce of strength i had in my to scoot myself up to the wall and use my head and shoulder to creep myself upright and "walk" like i was on stilts using the wall as a brace (I'd made it to yank the alarm out of the wall, else it'd be going off for hours with me lying there. lol)... so i make it to the door to unlock it and let my ride to the er in and have them help me get dressed... they were like "what do you need me to do?"... "everything" i said.. i couldn't do shit. lol..
so, we get to the ER and long story short... after 3 days and $160k including a handful of MRI's, they find out i had "Thyrotoxic Periodic Paralysis", and a simple potassium tablet had my legs moving again.
so, the high dose of T3 over about 9 months and about 45+ lbs (once I'd gotten down to 5%, everything else i lost was muscle), had depleted my potassium levels to a level where i was paralyzed.. levels so low they thought my heart would stop and I'd stop breathing. lol
about 90% of the pics you see people post of me on this site were during that time frame because i couldn't believe how small i was getting... and most the pics were of the 2-4wk period after i got out of the hospital and was putting back on size and took pics of the progress.
never using research chemical Co thyroid again.
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lmao, of course i remember bro ;) , don't mind me :D drank half a case of beer and a 40 of whiskey tonight, just puked everywhere, off to hit the sack.
Celebrating Costa Rica winning 8)
PIECE ;D
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haha no worries. I don't think I could handle half a case of beer anymore. lol
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Dude what the fuck. Why didn't you just stop taking EVERYTHING? Are you stupid?
"Oh fuck I'm dropping weight like crazy and eating 5000kcal a day and feel like shit maybe I need to up my anadrol"
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Dude what the fuck. Why didn't you just stop taking EVERYTHING? Are you stupid?
"Oh fuck I'm dropping weight like crazy and eating 5000kcal a day and feel like shit maybe I need to up my anadrol"
omg I don't even remember posting last night, I better check all my threads make sure I didn't make a dick out of myself, lmao :D
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haha no worries. I don't think I could handle half a case of beer anymore. lol
feel bad for you man, glad it turned out alright in the end...
different topic: how easy was it to gain the muscle you had lost back?
i imagine running a high dose t3 regimen and just ripping your body down to the bone and then trying to gain the muscle youve lost back within a couple weeks could actually work?! (muscle memory)
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feel bad for you man, glad it turned out alright in the end...
different topic: how easy was it to gain the muscle you had lost back?
i imagine running a high dose t3 regimen and just ripping your body down to the bone and then trying to gain the muscle youve lost back within a couple weeks could actually work?! (muscle memory)
what happened to me was similar to what happened to Luke Wood with his thyroid mixup, except his didn't result in paralysis.
I put on about 10lbs the first week, then after about 2 months I was back to about 220, after 3 I was 230-235 @ regular doses. (about 250mg test and 200mg npp 2-3x a week.. don't think I was running any orals for a while though).
bounced back fairly quickly.
I was afraid of thyroid rebound and thought I'd get fat (not that I'd care much if I did), but I haven't gone over 10/12% since then with zero thyroid.
I remember after getting back from the ER to train my clients that first day (wed) and trying to do leg extensions and 30lbs felt like 200lbs.. no exaggeration. the muscles just weren't firing.... I was doing all the research I could, and seriously thought I had M.S. or something (as the onset often comes on in your 30's), or even parkinsons.
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huh? where've you been? I've talked about this pretty often. lol
was using what I thought was t4 from manpower research, and it turned out I was using around 200mcg/day of t3 instead (the t4 wasn't t4, it was t3)... and after a month, I was down to 8% from 10%, then down to 7%, then down to 5% after about 3-4 months while still using my regular doses (which at that time was about 500mg test and about 300-400mg tren a with 100mg/day drol.. I'd gone from about 230/235 down to 220, then 215, then 210... and started getting comments like "dude, you're so skinny!" or "are you getting ready for a show?".. I was like .. uh.. no?.. I'm not doing anything different.. not dieting at all, still eating 5000kcals+ comprised of protein shakes, chicken and absolute crap (pizza, doughnuts, ect...).. then down to 200..
then 195 and started getting comments like "are you ok?.. have you been sick?"... "dude, your face is way sucken in.. I can see your cheekbones". lol... then I started to actually feel ill.. well, I'd been feeling ill for a month or so at least... and then that last month I increased my dosages (drol up to 250/day, ect...) and food intake.. but was still dropping weight and getting weaker and feeling more ill.. I'd get home at 10pm and I'd be dead tired and asleep on the couch by 10:15pm.. everyday i was absolutely drained and exhausted.
I thought I had liver issues so I'd gotten my liver labs done and the levels were elevated, esp bile, but no apparent liver issues... then one Monday I woke up with my hips/legs not working when I got out of bed. I'd thought I'd pinched a nerve in my back or something, because i was walking like a guy who walks with those hand crutches (like the guy in Something About Mary), but i had clients, so after about 15mins I'd 'walked it off' and went to work.
next day (tues) i was ok, but Wednesday morning i woke up with my legs WAYYY worse and unable to move again, and my left arm/chest was paralyed as well, so i went to the ER (in a wheelchair. lol.)... they hooked my up to iv bags (saline and electrolytes ect) and they took lab work.. i waited but had clients and after a while i could walk again so they let me go and i went back to train my clients.
next day (Thursday), i get a call from the dr saying my CK levels were 1500 or something and my thyroid was super high (i forget the number. he'd never imagined he'd see that number he says) and my tsh was "negative zero" whatever that means...and he tells me i need to "hyper-hydrate" to lower my CK levels... so that's what i did... then that day, i go to stand up out of my desk and walk 3 feet and my legs fold like an accordion. lol... then i walk out side to my truck and the same thing happens (right in front of a gym member. lol.. i tried to make it seem like i tripped. lol).. then later that night i fell inside the doorway to my home and gouge my ribs on the lock.. had to crawl and put an enourmous amout of effort to pull myself up using the cough.. then i fall in the kitchen and hit the hardwood HARD.. i thought i broke my arm (I'd broken 2 toes in the doorway fall).
so.. that night, i barely make it to bed and i left a gallon jug of water by the bed in case i had to pee and couldn't get out of bed... id' forgotten that ny alarm clock was across the room.
1am that night i wake up needing to pee.. and find that i was completely unable to move my legs and torso.. completely.. aside from my head/neck and my right arm and about 50% of my left arm.. so i text a friend who's a nurse in Boston (knowing she's the only one who'd be awake) and explain what'd happened... then she tells me "oh, well you hyper hydrated and your potassium is dead.. call an ambulance. lol"... i said fuck that, my doors locked and they're gonna have to break it down.. i'll wait. lol..
so, i wait in bed till morning and tie my phone to my wrist with my charger, knowing if I'd dropped it, there was no way I'd be able to get back up. and i swear to fucking god it took every ounce of strength i had in my to scoot myself up to the wall and use my head and shoulder to creep myself upright and "walk" like i was on stilts using the wall as a brace (I'd made it to yank the alarm out of the wall, else it'd be going off for hours with me lying there. lol)... so i make it to the door to unlock it and let my ride to the er in and have them help me get dressed... they were like "what do you need me to do?"... "everything" i said.. i couldn't do shit. lol..
so, we get to the ER and long story short... after 3 days and $160k including a handful of MRI's, they find out i had "Thyrotoxic Periodic Paralysis", and a simple potassium tablet had my legs moving again.
so, the high dose of T3 over about 9 months and about 45+ lbs (once I'd gotten down to 5%, everything else i lost was muscle), had depleted my potassium levels to a level where i was paralyzed.. levels so low they thought my heart would stop and I'd stop breathing. lol
about 90% of the pics you see people post of me on this site were during that time frame because i couldn't believe how small i was getting... and most the pics were of the 2-4wk period after i got out of the hospital and was putting back on size and took pics of the progress.
never using research chemical Co thyroid again.
Hypokalemic Periodic Paralysis.
The over active thyroid forces your kidneys to dump all of the potassium out of your body. Happen to a friend of mine who was using way too much T3 for too long. Very scary.
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My favorites are ECA and T3.
I never go over 75mcg of T3 and always get the real stuff from Europe.
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I always take Magnesium while on T3 just as a precaution.
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Hypokalemic Periodic Paralysis.
The over active thyroid forces your kidneys to dump all of the potassium out of your body. Happen to a friend of mine who was using way too much T3 for too long. Very scary.
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they mentioned that as well, but the term I remember and what I saw on the papers they gave me was 'thyrotoxic periodic paralysis'.
what a pain in the ass it was. lol.
not fun waking up unable to move your body.. literally you're paralyzed from the mid-chest down. I could 'feel' my legs and whatnot, if is somebody touched them, but I could not move. it seriously took every ounce of strength I had to inch myself using my right arm (which was still working) against the wall by my headboard and try to stand up.. then walk on dead legs against the way to my front door to unlock it to let the person in to drive me ot the ER.... every ounce of strength. so now, when I train paraplegic and quadriplegic clients (got two guys ready for the para-olympics recently), I can relate to how they 'feel' (sorta), and how much effort it takes them to get into and out of machines and into their cars and whatnot... everyday is a struggle.
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they mentioned that as well, but the term I remember and what I saw on the papers they gave me was 'thyrotoxic periodic paralysis'.
what a pain in the ass it was. lol.
not fun waking up unable to move your body.. literally you're paralyzed from the mid-chest down. I could 'feel' my legs and whatnot, if is somebody touched them, but I could not move. it seriously took every ounce of strength I had to inch myself using my right arm (which was still working) against the wall by my headboard and try to stand up.. then walk on dead legs against the way to my front door to unlock it to let the person in to drive me ot the ER.... every ounce of strength. so now, when I train paraplegic and quadriplegic clients (got two guys ready for the para-olympics recently), I can relate to how they 'feel' (sorta), and how much effort it takes them to get into and out of machines and into their cars and whatnot... everyday is a struggle.
Thyrotoxic is correct, my mistake. All i remember is my friend telling me about it and how scary it was. Waking up paralyzed and his girlfriend had to call an ambulance to carry him to the ER.
I can only imagine what it would be like to be truly paralyzed. Unreal!
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Thyrotoxic is correct, my mistake. All i remember is my friend telling me about it and how scary it was. Waking up paralyzed and his girlfriend had to call an ambulance to carry him to the ER.
I can only imagine what it would be like to be truly paralyzed. Unreal!
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yea.. my ex gf was the only other person who had a key to my place, and I damn near had to call her (we'd not ended on good terms.. she was bipolar) to come over and help get me dressed and unlock the door. I was in THAT BAD of a spot. haha.
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yea.. my ex gf was the only other person who had a key to my place, and I damn near had to call her (we'd not ended on good terms.. she was bipolar) to come over and help get me dressed and unlock the door. I was in THAT BAD of a spot. haha.
I just called my friend and asked him about it some more. He said he couldn't even stand up or get out of bed he was too weak and could barely move. If he wasn't at his girlfriends house he doesn't think he could have reached his cell phone 5 feet away. It took them a long time at the ER to figure out what was wrong, at first they thought he had a broken disk that was causing nerve problems. They had to give him a catheter because he couldn't even contract his muscles to piss.
The Neurologist told him he was near kidney failure his potassium was so low. He said the way his blood work looked they would compare him to someone that was dehydrated enough to be near death. The crazy thing is the night before it happen my friend was just relaxing watching the UFC, wasn't doing anything crazy. It came out of nowhere with no warning signs. He did say the week before his legs felt week one day but he just thought he was tired.
He was in ICU for 2 days and had about every test known to man run on him from MRI, CT Scan, xray, lumbar puncture, etc. They were taking his blood every 2 hours to make sure his potassium wasn't too high due to the meds they gave him. Too high can cause even worse issues.
He's fine now, this was a few years ago and he hasn't touched T3 since.
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ECA slaughters all for overall results
I agree!
Good diet and ECA will have you cut up in no time. I've messed around with T3 for shows and it's not worth it to me because it seems to leave me flat and eats away muscle.
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ECA slaughters all for overall results
Neg. Low dose DNP slaughters all.
Problem with ECA is many people are susceptible to sides e.g limp cock and prostate issues.
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Neg. Low dose DNP slaughters all.
Problem with ECA is many people are susceptible to sides e.g limp cock and prostate issues.
DNP is good for burning fat, it is a sheer fat burner but there is way more to dieting then burning fat.
ECA suppresses appetite
ECA makes you train like a madman on low calories
ECA makes your lifts strong and heavy, this is a must when in a calorie deficit.
ECA burns fat
ECA wakes you up when you are sluggish, gives you energy
ECA makes you sweat, depletes water retention, raise core temperature
ECA is king for getting shredded, nothing comes close to doing what it does,
ECA IS KING
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ephedrine is great, I take it even when I am trying to gain weight
Gets better the more I use it
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Efedrine is the best because it offers a variety of benefits.
But it causes prostate issues on many.
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Ephedrine makes me feel my prostate. I occasionally leak cum as well. It happens after peeing or sometimes just walking, which leads me to believe I need to stay the fuck away.
T3 melts everything even at a low dose for me so I take no burners. They either mess your bp or cause other serious issues. Wish I could find and afford GH instead.
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Efedrine is the best because it offers a variety of benefits.
But it causes prostate issues on many.
this ^^
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this ^^
Ephedrine's appetite suppression is only temporary, and its other effects you can get from caffeine and other stims.
Low dose DNP is the best fat burner with the least sides. You can add in caffeine or a preworkout stim if that's what you fancy.
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Neg. Low dose DNP slaughters all.
Problem with ECA is many people are susceptible to sides e.g limp cock and prostate issues.
You say that sides are an issue with ephedrine and yet you advocate low-dose DNP? I daresay you may have that backwards
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You say that sides are an issue with ephedrine and yet you advocate low-dose DNP? I daresay you may have that backwards
correct dnp is a nightmare and it is the most dangerous compound on the planet even more dangerous then SLIN, it is scary shit.
In comparison bikini girls, figure girls, average gym rats all love ECA and pop it like candy and get shredded, while hardcore bodybuilders dread dnp
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You say that sides are an issue with ephedrine and yet you advocate low-dose DNP? I daresay you may have that backwards
Minimal sides for most on low-dose.
My only sides were feeling a little hotter (increased metabolism), being sweatier, and having to take a piss more often.
On ephedrine I get ice pick stabbing pains up my ass and soft cock. Fuck that.
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How much Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin in Your best ECA combo?
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How much Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin in Your best ECA combo?
standard is 25mg ephedrine, 200 caffiene, 80mg aspirin. but don't follow the rules.
Use ECA pre workout and caffiene by itself in the morning and ephedrine by itself after lunch
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My favorites are ECA and T3.
I never go over 75mcg of T3 and always get the real stuff from Europe.
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How long do you run it for? debating whether to start T3 now at 14.5 and 17.5 weeks out or throw it in 6 weeks out. Works well for me at moderate dose without muscle loss, I can gain muscle even on 50mcg
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How long do you run it for? debating whether to start T3 now at 14.5 and 17.5 weeks out or throw it in 6 weeks out. Works well for me at moderate dose without muscle loss, I can gain muscle even on 50mcg
6-8 weeks typically.
Since you do so well with dieting, i would use it closer to the show when it's harder to lose the fat.
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Everyone I know hates clen. Albuteral, they love.
Living in South Florida the weather is always great so there is no excuse to not be in shape year around. The only time I tighten up is prior to a vacation and I simply do that now days by cutting the carbs and slightly raising the white protein sources and healthy fats.
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6-8 weeks typically.
Since you do so well with dieting, i would use it closer to the show when it's harder to lose the fat.
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imo, I'd save the t3 for the time when you're 3-4 weeks out and you're not as lean as you thought you'd be.
I'd rather run eca/clen the whole way through and only add t3 when I realize "oh shit.. I have less than a month and I still have 2-3% bf to drop!!!"
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I look at myself now 3 1/2, 4 months out and have the "oh shit" feeling lol
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I look at myself now 3 1/2, 4 months out and have the "oh shit" feeling lol
I seriously doubt that brother. lol
either way, at this point, tren and clen are your friends. haha
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I assume it is the ephedrine/efedrine that is causing the limp cock symptoms???? Never heard aspirin or caffiene doing that.
Where is everyone getting the ephendrine/efedrine? I thought that was banned a while back. I see some products with ephera in them, but assume it is not the same.
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ya ephedrine does cause limp dick.
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I assume it is the ephedrine/efedrine that is causing the limp cock symptoms???? Never heard aspirin or caffiene doing that.
Where is everyone getting the ephendrine/efedrine? I thought that was banned a while back. I see some products with ephera in them, but assume it is not the same.
Bronkaid/Primatene tablets, available at your local drugstore
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I assume it is the ephedrine/efedrine that is causing the limp cock symptoms???? Never heard aspirin or caffiene doing that.
Where is everyone getting the ephendrine/efedrine? I thought that was banned a while back. I see some products with ephera in them, but assume it is not the same.
I used Bronkaid and it can cause dick issues.
I'm very sensitive to stimulants so i don't use more than 12.5mg per dose.
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