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Title: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
 ;)

King Coleman still rules supreme Heath bots.



Title: Re: Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Man of Steel on August 13, 2014, 02:15:08 PM
Oh without a doubt Mr. Ronald Obidiah Coleman is king of kings.
Title: Re: Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:22:08 PM
Watching these videos makes it very clear it's not even close. Ronnie is light years ahead of Heath and there's nothing Heath can ever do to catch up. Ronnie is just better. Period dot.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on August 13, 2014, 02:26:43 PM
What do you expect this year at the O Wiggs? I think it will be probably better than last year, Cutler is out, guys can get deserved places or close to it. Ramy will be on hopefully, Dexter gained size, Kai has probably one of his last chances to win, Heath has to fight for his 4th.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:29:25 PM
What do you expect this year at the O Wiggs? I think it will be probably better than last year, Cutler is out, guys can get deserved places or close to it. Ramy will be on hopefully, Dexter gained size, Kai has probably one of his last chances to win, Heath has to fight for his 4th.

Outside of Kai and Heath, I think it will be boring. Rhoden's back isn't on par with the top two. Wolf's calves absolutely suck and he has no lower back. Ramy is huge but lacks separation and Olympia level conditioning.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:30:38 PM
That's not to say Phil isn't great because he is. He's just not close to Coleman.

Looks boss here 4 weeks out from last year's Mr. O. All slin and pie filling.

Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: WalterWhite on August 13, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
RC was the beast of beasts.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on August 13, 2014, 02:32:56 PM
That's not to say Phil isn't great because he is. He's just not close to Coleman.

Looks boss here 4 weeks out from last year's Mr. O.



His shoulders look deflated before the O, but at the O they are fuller, maybe i am blind, but it seems that inflamatory substances are still used.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 13, 2014, 02:34:23 PM
Ronnie is in another league
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:35:37 PM
His shoulders look deflated before the O, but at the O they are fuller, maybe i am blind, but it seems that inflamatory substances are still used.

No doubt he uses esicelene (sp?) or whatever the modern version of that. Kai also.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Cold on August 13, 2014, 02:38:00 PM
Not a fan of these midget dudes being crowned Mr. Olympia.

The best body in the world can't be a lil midget.

Look, I'm not tall myself (5'9) and I have no problems if Mr. Olympia is a 6 foot guy. The tall physiques just look better.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: the trainer on August 13, 2014, 02:41:10 PM
This is what a mr o should look like next to another bodybuilder.

(http://i.imgur.com/aKshlsO.jpg)
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:41:49 PM
Not a fan of these midget dudes being crowned Mr. Olympia.

The best body in the world can't be a lil midget.

Look, I'm not tall myself (5'9) and I have no problems if Mr. Olympia is a 6 foot guy. The tall physiques just look better.

There's been 1 Mr. Olympia at least 6 feet. Arnold. While you may feel taller physiques look better. History shows the judges don't think so. 5'9-5'11 is the perfect bodybuilding height.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: thegamechanger on August 13, 2014, 02:42:36 PM
bodybuilding related thread

reported to mods.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Royalty on August 13, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
Ronnie looked awesome in that video Wiggs. That song that Ronnie posed to was very good. You could tell that Lee Haney knew that Ronnie was gonna win that night. What a great night for Ronnie!
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Cold on August 13, 2014, 02:47:38 PM
There's been 1 Mr. Olympia at least 6 feet. Arnold. While you may feel taller physiques look better. History shows the judges don't think so. 5'9-5'11 is the perfect bodybuilding height.

That's fair enough. But how tall is Phil Heath? I saw him in person 3, 4 times and he can't be more than 5'7. Just too short to create a nice illusion on stage. Even less impressive in person. You can only pack so much muscle on a short frame until it looks like a fridge.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
That's fair enough. But how tall is Phil Heath? I saw him in person 3, 4 times and he can't be more than 5'7. Just too short to create a great illusion on stage.

Phil is a legit 5'9 almost 5'10. He's taller than Kai and Jay. Kai is 5'8 and Jay is 5'9.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: thegamechanger on August 13, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
well if heath is taller than kai and jay that alone should be reason for him winning.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Cold on August 13, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
Phil is a legit 5'9 almost 5'10. He's taller than Kai and Jay. Kai is 5'8 and Jay is 5'9.

Highly doubt Phil is 5'9 or 5'10. I've seen both guys a few times. Jay is 5'7 IMO. Phil is about the same. Dude probably wears elevator shoes off-stage.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HQZGvOaDiUw/UBQlNSEfe3I/AAAAAAAAJOw/m1wYr0UStvo/s1600/mr+olympia+2011+(3).jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2090bie.jpg)
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Neptune100 on August 13, 2014, 03:28:51 PM
8 is more than 3. hope this helps.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: TheShape. on August 13, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
Ronnie looked great there, too bad for the gyno though.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Papper on August 13, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
Always uncomfortable to see Philippe compared to the greats.. What has bb come to
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: 240 is Back on August 13, 2014, 04:31:18 PM
People have a hard time accepting the fact Phil Heath probably surpassed Ronnie coleman 2 years ago.

Ronnie was good in his prime, but phil has a level of thickness and overall imposing nature that ronnie never captured.

Phil enters a room and people FEEL it - he's the champ.  Ronnie was humble and confident and all that, but Phil is just so much more of a personality and media star.  Above all, people LIKE phil.  He's likeable and personable.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: MCWAY on August 13, 2014, 04:31:58 PM
8 is more than 3. hope this helps.

8 is more than 7 too. Yet, ask the bodybuilding pundits if Ronnie is better than Arnold and you'll probably be laughed to scorn.

Heath will write his own legacy and that will be that.

It's getting to the point where this topic is a bad as the old-timers from the so-called "Golden Era", who keep slobbering over Schwarzenegger.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Neptune100 on August 13, 2014, 04:36:44 PM
8 is more than 7 too. Yet, ask the bodybuilding pundits if Ronnie is better than Arnold and you'll probably be laughed to scorn.

Heath will write his own legacy and that will be that.

It's getting to the point where this topic is a bad as the old-timers from the so-called "Golden Era", who keep slobbering over Schwarzenegger.

Laughed to scorn? I think not.  Its highly debatable who the better bodybuilder was. Many think Ronnie. Many.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 04:38:51 PM
People have a hard time accepting the fact Phil Heath probably surpassed Ronnie coleman 2 years ago.

Ronnie was good in his prime, but phil has a level of thickness and overall imposing nature that ronnie never captured.

Phil enters a room and people FEEL it - he's the champ.  Ronnie was humble and confident and all that, but Phil is just so much more of a personality and media star.  Above all, people LIKE phil.  He's likeable and personable.

level 10 trolling achievement received.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Teutonic Knight on August 13, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
level 10 trolling achievement received.

Ebola vs Wiggzers , guess who is winning  :D
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 13, 2014, 04:47:42 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: MCWAY on August 13, 2014, 05:29:27 PM
Laughed to scorn? I think not.  Its highly debatable who the better bodybuilder was. Many think Ronnie. Many.

Yes. Laughed to scorn, as you're grossly outnumbered by the "golden age" guys.

Arnold retired nearly 35 years ago. But he's been on the cover of multiple muscle magazines EVERY YEAR since hanging up his trunks.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: MCWAY on August 13, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
Outside of Kai and Heath, I think it will be boring. Rhoden's back isn't on par with the top two. Wolf's calves absolutely suck and he has no lower back. Ramy is huge but lacks separation and Olympia level conditioning.

Don't forget about Dexter.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Viking11 on August 13, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
;D


Scale is off-
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 05:47:55 PM
Don't forget about Dexter.

What about him? Same ol' Dex. He has no chance of winning anymore.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: wolfrittner on August 13, 2014, 06:06:32 PM
Love Phil but Ronnie was a different animal! Phil has still a few years to grow and change some.
Still its going be very hard to beat Ronnie!
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 06:17:31 PM
Love Phil but Ronnie was a different animal! Phil has still a few years to grow and change some.
Still its going be very hard to beat Ronnie!

It has nothing to do with size.It has to do with the way they're put together and the conditioning they're able to achieve. Phil will never be able to get shredded like Ronnie that year because of slin. Ronnie wasn't able to get into that condition anymore when he started using slin.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: che on August 13, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
;D

Phil looks better than Ronnie in that comparison , more detailed , better proportions.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Ronnie Rep on August 13, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
;D
What year is that shot of Ronnie?
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Hulkster on August 13, 2014, 06:29:26 PM
Quote
Ronnie was good in his prime, but phil has a level of thickness and overall imposing nature that ronnie never captured.


LMAO

I do hope you are being sarcastic..
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: old-school-lifter on August 13, 2014, 06:32:59 PM
shouldnt even be compared

Coleman on another level

 dorian > Heath

Heath is just blow up fake muscle, not hard earned dense muscle like Ronnie
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Parker on August 13, 2014, 06:54:25 PM
Highly doubt Phil is 5'9 or 5'10. I've seen both guys a few times. Jay is 5'7 IMO. Phil is about the same. Dude probably wears elevator shoes off-stage.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HQZGvOaDiUw/UBQlNSEfe3I/AAAAAAAAJOw/m1wYr0UStvo/s1600/mr+olympia+2011+(3).jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2090bie.jpg)
Phil is taller, and Jay has been listed as 5'8 forever.
That first pic you can clearly see Phil is taller by looking at the shoulder line. Jay has his head tilted up and that faux hawk's tips give him the appearance of being taller.
The second pic, Phil leans back and puts one leg far more fwd in the BDB pose, so he loses height
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: old-school-lifter on August 13, 2014, 07:06:22 PM
Love Phil but Ronnie was a different animal! Phil has still a few years to grow and change some.
Still its going be very hard to beat Ronnie!

phil's maxed out
he cant improve anymore
this year you will see his physique start its regression
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Neptune100 on August 13, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
Yes. Laughed to scorn, as you're grossly outnumbered by the "golden age" guys.


You're way off but thats your opinion. 
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Parker on August 13, 2014, 07:17:04 PM
phil's maxed out
he cant improve anymore
this year you will see his physique start its regression
Phil is not maxed out. People have been saying that since 2007. He can improve his chest.
And he did say a long time ago that he wanted to see how big his arms could get...but that ain't a priority right now.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: MCWAY on August 13, 2014, 07:25:07 PM
What about him? Same ol' Dex. He has no chance of winning anymore.

He supposedly never had a chance of winning in the first place. But, somehow he did it in 2008.

As for his being the 'same ol' Dex, what makes you think he needs to make any major changes to his physique? Shawn Ray stayed much the same (except for gradually getting bigger) and he placed top-5 nearly his entire career at the O.

If Greene and Heath slip up, Dex could conceivably put another Sandow on the mantle.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 13, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
He supposedly never had a chance of winning in the first place. But, somehow he did it in 2008.

As for his being the 'same ol' Dex, what makes you think he needs to make any major changes to his physique? Shawn Ray stayed much the same (except for gradually getting bigger) and he placed top-5 nearly his entire career at the O.

If Greene and Heath slip up, Dex could conceivably put another Sandow on the mantle.

Bro there's virtually no chance of that happening.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: calfzilla on August 13, 2014, 09:49:17 PM
You can't compare Ronnie to Heath. No disrespect to Heath but Ronnie was light years ahead.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: SF1900 on August 13, 2014, 09:57:22 PM
You can't compare Ronnie to Heath. No disrespect to Heath but Ronnie was light years ahead.

That is what a Mr. Olympia should look like. Now we have Phil, with his little bird chest. Disgrace.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: dogbowl on August 13, 2014, 10:44:56 PM
Heath has better arms
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Teutonic Knight on August 13, 2014, 11:17:06 PM
Bro there's virtually no chance of that happening.

Like imaginary & idiotic story about black Jeezuus , ;D
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: kreator on August 13, 2014, 11:38:12 PM
Phil should've stayed in the figure class, he can put on as much mass as he wants but will still look like a child next to prime Ronnie
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Papper on August 14, 2014, 12:01:02 AM
Phil already regressed.. Last year.

Wether it be permanent or conditioning remains to be seen

Kai also regressed
Title: Re: Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: booty on August 14, 2014, 12:15:47 AM
Watching these videos makes it very clear it's not even close. Ronnie is light years ahead of Heath and there's nothing Heath can ever do to catch up. Ronnie is just better. Period dot.
I don't think there will be anyone in Ronnies league for quite some time.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Wiggs on August 14, 2014, 12:19:41 AM
Ronnies secret is obviously genetics first, but he didnt hop on a boatload of gear like most really early. Kai is the same way for different reasons.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: kreator on August 14, 2014, 12:25:55 AM
even Kai is built like a tank compared to Phil
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: falco on August 14, 2014, 02:20:46 AM
Phil and Coleman standing alone proves nothing. Side by side Phil would look like a child next to prime Coleman. Just ask anyone who had been with both in person. They look from different species.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Hulkster on August 14, 2014, 03:16:13 AM
Heath has better arms

LOL

not against a 99 form he didnt
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: SuperTed on August 14, 2014, 04:33:27 AM
Coleman is possibly the greatest of all time.

Heath looks excellent no doubt but his domination is mainly down to lack of quality competitors of the current era.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: thegamechanger on August 14, 2014, 05:30:54 AM
ronnie has superior genetics.
ronnie has superior work ethic.
ronnie has superior smarts.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on August 14, 2014, 05:40:39 AM
People have a hard time accepting the fact Phil Heath probably surpassed Ronnie coleman 2 years ago.

Ronnie was good in his prime, but phil has a level of thickness and overall imposing nature that ronnie never captured.

Phil enters a room and people FEEL it - he's the champ.  Ronnie was humble and confident and all that, but Phil is just so much more of a personality and media star.  Above all, people LIKE phil.  He's likeable and personable.

Rob, why the constant condescending and sarcastic tone? It is funny once in a while, but not if it is in 90% of your posts.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: calfzilla on August 14, 2014, 05:48:13 AM
Rob, why the constant condescending and sarcastic tone? It is funny once in a while, but not if it is in 90% of your posts.

Just his way of trolling.
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Royalty on August 14, 2014, 06:33:00 AM
Heath has better arms

No way!

Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: Europe on August 14, 2014, 07:01:27 AM
Ronnie was amazing!!
He made Bodybuilding interesting, he was funny without trying to be funny, "yeah, buddy!" is known almost on every European Gym!

Phil is boring, bitter, arrogant and has a very negative aura with him, he argues with "haters" on facebook lol. It doesn't matter how much he will say to him "I'm the best/great/etc" people can easily spot his arrogance.

1.0 Coleman width = 2.65 Heaths wide
Title: Re: Coleman vs. Heath - Is there any doubt who is better? I think not...
Post by: MCWAY on August 14, 2014, 08:50:47 AM
Ronnies secret is obviously genetics first, but he didnt hop on a boatload of gear like most really early. Kai is the same way for different reasons.

I still have an old issue of "All-Natural Muscular Development" that featured Greene when he was the WNBF Mr. Universe. Back then, he had a high-top fade, looked extremely lankly (compared to how he looks now) and seeming had no lats. Now, his back is beyond belief.

In fact, he first competed in the WNBF Mr. Universe in 1994 at age 19, the youngest competitor in history at that time. A year later, he won the WNBF US Pro Cup (see pic below).

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10013868_10203402570215292_1626558493_n.)