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Title: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: SF1900 on August 17, 2014, 12:53:41 PM
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart

A young man holding a toy rifle in a Wal-Mart was shot and killed on Tuesday by police in the Dayton suburb of Beavercreek, Ohio, according to Raw Story. John Crawford, 22, was carrying a toy gun he picked up in the store, alarming two other shoppers.

LeeCee Johnson, the mother of Crawford’s children, told the Dayton Daily News she was on the phone with him while he was browsing in the store. “We was just talking,” she told the Ohio newspaper. “He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him. And I could hear him just crying and screaming. I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human.”

CBS reports that two other Wal-Mart customers, April and Ronald Ritchie, saw Crawford walking around the store with what appeared to be a gun and called the police. The police station reports that officers asked Crawford to put down the weapon, and opened fire when he did not comply. He later died of his gun shot wounds at a nearby hospital, where his death was ruled a homicide by the Montgomery County coroner’s office. A request for comment by msnbc to the Beavercreek police department was not immediately returned.

The Ohio Attorney General’s office has said that the gun Crawford was carrying was an MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle, also known as a “variable pump air rifle.” Family members could not be reached for comment by msnbc.

Tasha Thomas, who identified herself as Crawford’s girlfriend, told the Dayton Daily News that she drove Crawford to the Wal-Mart and was also in the store, but was in a different aisle from Crawford when the shooting happened. He was not armed when he entered the store, she said. “He did not have any type of gun on him. It’s not fair.”

A relative told the paper the family had contacted the NAACP and the National Action Network, a civil rights group led by MSNBC’s Rev. Al Sharpton.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2014, 01:00:18 PM
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart

A young man holding a toy rifle in a Wal-Mart was shot and killed on Tuesday by police in the Dayton suburb of Beavercreek, Ohio, according to Raw Story. John Crawford, 22, was carrying a toy gun he picked up in the store, alarming two other shoppers.

LeeCee Johnson, the mother of Crawford’s children, told the Dayton Daily News she was on the phone with him while he was browsing in the store. “We was just talking,” she told the Ohio newspaper. “He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him. And I could hear him just crying and screaming. I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human.”

CBS reports that two other Wal-Mart customers, April and Ronald Ritchie, saw Crawford walking around the store with what appeared to be a gun and called the police. The police station reports that officers asked Crawford to put down the weapon, and opened fire when he did not comply. He later died of his gun shot wounds at a nearby hospital, where his death was ruled a homicide by the Montgomery County coroner’s office. A request for comment by msnbc to the Beavercreek police department was not immediately returned.

The Ohio Attorney General’s office has said that the gun Crawford was carrying was an MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle, also known as a “variable pump air rifle.” Family members could not be reached for comment by msnbc.

Tasha Thomas, who identified herself as Crawford’s girlfriend, told the Dayton Daily News that she drove Crawford to the Wal-Mart and was also in the store, but was in a different aisle from Crawford when the shooting happened. He was not armed when he entered the store, she said. “He did not have any type of gun on him. It’s not fair.”

A relative told the paper the family had contacted the NAACP and the National Action Network, a civil rights group led by MSNBC’s Rev. Al Sharpton.
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Uh, thats not a toy.  Not only is it a weapon, it looks like an actual assault rifle.

Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on August 17, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
Did Ron confirm this death?
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Schnauzer on August 17, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
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Beavercreek police officers Sean Williams and Sgt. David Darkow responded last Tuesday to a 911 call about a man waving a gun inside the Walmart at 3360 Pentagon Blvd. Police say Crawford, confronted inside the store, did not respond to officers’ demands that he drop the weapon. Crawford was shot in the torso and died. He was carrying an air rifle/pellet gun that he had picked off a shelf from inside the store.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/family-of-man-shot-at-walmart-wants-answers-survei/ngzT4/   (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/family-of-man-shot-at-walmart-wants-answers-survei/ngzT4/)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: The Ugly on August 17, 2014, 01:08:29 PM
Did Ron confirm this death?

Waiting for confirmation and clarification.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/family-of-man-shot-at-walmart-wants-answers-survei/ngzT4/   (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/family-of-man-shot-at-walmart-wants-answers-survei/ngzT4/)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: wes on August 17, 2014, 01:10:20 PM
Did Ron confirm this death?
I`m on the phone with Ron as I type this.......will update as to his verdict shortly.

Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Schnauzer on August 17, 2014, 01:11:52 PM
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Ronald Ritchie said Crawford "was just waving [the gun] at children and people...I couldn't hear anything that he was saying. I'm thinking that he is either going to rob the place or he's there to shoot somebody.

"He didn't really want to be looked at and when people did look at him, he was pointing the gun at them. He was pointing at people. Children walking by," Ronald Ritchie said.

The station reports that police arrived and told Crawford to put the weapon down. The Ritchies said two shots were fired, knocking the suspect backward. When Crawford reportedly tried to get up, he was tackled by an officer who then handcuffed him and turned him on his back.

 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/source-walmart-gunman-was-carrying-toy-rifle/  (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/source-walmart-gunman-was-carrying-toy-rifle/)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Simple Simon on August 17, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Did Ron confirm this death?
lol very good.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Stefano on August 17, 2014, 01:24:21 PM
Walmart stocks these and their own employees cant recognize them? If they're so concerned why not keep these " realistic looking" toys under lock and key so that a customer would have to ask an employee to retrieve one?  His family should be suing walmart.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
Walmart stocks these and their own employees cant recognize them? If they're so concerned why not keep these " realistic looking" toys under lock and key so that a customer would have to ask an employee to retrieve one?  His family should be suing walmart.
???

For what, pointing a realistic looking gun (which is a weapon) at customers, children and the cops and then refusing to drop it when ordered to do so?


At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: G_Thang on August 17, 2014, 01:39:59 PM
Walmart stocks these and their own employees cant recognize them? If they're so concerned why not keep these " realistic looking" toys under lock and key so that a customer would have to ask an employee to retrieve one?  His family should be suing walmart.

This.  How the fuck they let him walk around the store with an air gun or pellet rifle?
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: The True Adonis on August 17, 2014, 01:43:35 PM
This.  How the fuck they let him walk around the store with an air gun or pellet rifle?
What genius thinks that is a good idea?
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: _aj_ on August 17, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
This.  How the fuck they let him walk around the store with an air gun or pellet rifle?

In NH, we have open carry. I see people walking around with guns on their hips at Walmart all the time. And nobody gets killed. It's like magic!
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: calfzilla on August 17, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
In NH, we have open carry. I see people walking around with guns on their hips at Walmart all the time. And nobody gets killed. It's like magic!

Yep. Should only if shot if pointed at someone in an aggressive manner.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: TrueGrit on August 17, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
I clicked the link but found this story more interesting. Now that is a getbigger, plain and simple.

http://www.thefix.com/content/oregon-man-does-meth-masturbates-and-resists-arrest?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=The%20Fix%20CPC
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: _aj_ on August 17, 2014, 02:13:40 PM
I clicked the link but found this story more interesting. Now that is a getbigger, plain and simple.

http://www.thefix.com/content/oregon-man-does-meth-masturbates-and-resists-arrest?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=The%20Fix%20CPC

Haha! That proud look in his booking photo is a classic. Getbigger for sure.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 17, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
Did Ron confirm this death?

Rofl
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Rambone on August 17, 2014, 02:56:43 PM
Robin Williams, Michael Brown, Mike Matarazzo, and now this guy. It's been a rough fuckin week.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
In NH, we have open carry. I see people walking around with guns on their hips at Walmart all the time. And nobody gets killed. It's like magic!

it does makes people a little itchy though.  A bunch of dudes with fanny packs and side holsters all eyeballing each other, waiting for one of them to make a move so they can stand their ground or be a hero.

I like concealed carry for 100% of the population.  I dislike 1-2 dudes carrying a gun around in the store,  making a spectacle of themeslves.

Oh, and this 22 year old "kid", totally justified shoot.  
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Simple Simon on August 17, 2014, 03:00:43 PM
Robin Williams, Michael Brown, Mike Matarazzo, and now this guy. It's been a rough fuckin week.
Dont forget halos cat.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Rambone on August 17, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Guy deserved it. I'm surprised they make these guns look nearly identical to the real thing. As a kid in the early 90's, I remember playing with toy guns and even they had orange tips to show that they weren't real. Why aren't these bb and pellet guns more closely regulated especially when there's even more dumb asses in this world than ever?


Dont forget halos cat.

PIP   :'(
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
Guy deserved it. I'm surprised they make these guns look nearly identical to the real thing. As a kid in the early 90's, I remember playing with toy guns and even they had orange tips to show that they weren't real. Why aren't these bb and pellet guns more closely regulated especially when there's even more dumb asses in this world than ever?
PIP   :'(

I'm pretty sure there would be conservative groups saying they dislike that level of govt regulation of toys.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 17, 2014, 03:29:38 PM
Guy deserved it. I'm surprised they make these guns look nearly identical to the real thing. As a kid in the early 90's, I remember playing with toy guns and even they had orange tips to show that they weren't real. Why aren't these bb and pellet guns more closely regulated especially when there's even more dumb asses in this world than ever?


PIP   :'(

I think they make the air rifles look like real guns because they pretty much are real guns and can kill.  :-X
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: _aj_ on August 17, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
it does makes people a little itchy though.  A bunch of dudes with fanny packs and side holsters all eyeballing each other, waiting for one of them to make a move so they can stand their ground or be a hero.

But somehow that never happens here. Nobody "eyeballs" anybody. It's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
But somehow that never happens here. Nobody "eyeballs" anybody. It's just the way it is.

I have sat thru plenty of concealed weapons courses with friends over the years, along with my own.  There are always a few people in class saying "Can I shoot someone if..." and delivering many scenarios.  They don't think first about avoiding the situation, negotiating a retreat, etc.  They just want a permission slip to shoot people.

In FL, too many people are blood thirsty.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Lustral on August 17, 2014, 03:39:11 PM
Waiting for confirmation and clarification.

Where's his wikipedia page and I will edit it.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Rambone on August 17, 2014, 03:40:14 PM
I have sat thru plenty of concealed weapons courses with friends over the years, along with my own.  There are always a few people in class saying "Can I shoot someone if..." and delivering many scenarios.  They don't think first about avoiding the situation, negotiating a retreat, etc.  They just want a permission slip to shoot people.

In FL, too many people are blood thirsty.

Took my test at the gun show in West Palm. You walk out of there wanting to carry just from the amount of semi-retarded morons in there taking and passing that easy ass test. You could never do open carry in FL. Too many minorities.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2014, 03:52:56 PM
Took my test at the gun show in West Palm. You walk out of there wanting to carry just from the amount of semi-retarded morons in there taking and passing that easy ass test. You could never do open carry in FL. Too many minorities.

yeah, it's like the average IQ in the room is 90 when getting a permit.  Always full of elderly and hillbillies.  And the instructors just don't emphasize "get out of danger" and instead emphasize "here are 8 scenarios where you can waste a dude".

everyone is just dying for a chance to stand their ground.  crazy dangerous.  No way would I open carry.  I could go for my buzzing cell phone and some redneck idiot in line who's been eyeballing me might shoot me... and say "He was reaching, I feared for my life", and he'd probably WALK in florida.  :(
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: _aj_ on August 17, 2014, 04:33:32 PM
I have sat thru plenty of concealed weapons courses with friends over the years, along with my own.  There are always a few people in class saying "Can I shoot someone if..." and delivering many scenarios.  They don't think first about avoiding the situation, negotiating a retreat, etc.  They just want a permission slip to shoot people.

In FL, too many people are blood thirsty.

LOL, I used to teach that course in FL. Yeah, the folks in NH aren't like that.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: D.O.A. on August 17, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
I`m on the phone with Ron as I type this.......will update as to his verdict shortly.

Thanks for your patience.
Hahahaha! :D
Thank you for your cooperation.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: the trainer on August 17, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
Did Ron confirm this death?

Ron just replied to my PM he is on the phone with the ohio attorney general office he will be making a statement shortly.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Disgusted on August 17, 2014, 05:02:26 PM
Betting the surveillance tapes somehow get lost or where not recording at the time of the incident.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 17, 2014, 05:11:46 PM
???

For what, pointing a realistic looking gun (which is a weapon) at customers, children and the cops and then refusing to drop it when ordered to do so?


At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions.


Sorry Adonis...but this one's a bit shaky unlike Michael Brown's case.  If he's in a section near the toy guns, why would an officer not ask an employee whether he had a toy gun or not or why wouldn't customer report it to an employee.  Somewhere in communicating, this conclusion would have been more likely. 


In this case, I'm going to have to call it an unwise and hasty shoot


In this case....I consider it a very hasty shoot
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 17, 2014, 05:40:54 PM
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart

A young man holding a toy rifle in a Wal-Mart was shot and killed on Tuesday by police in the Dayton suburb of Beavercreek, Ohio, according to Raw Story. John Crawford, 22, was carrying a toy gun he picked up in the store, alarming two other shoppers.

LeeCee Johnson, the mother of Crawford’s children, told the Dayton Daily News she was on the phone with him while he was browsing in the store. “We was just talking,” she told the Ohio newspaper. “He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him. And I could hear him just crying and screaming. I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human.”

CBS reports that two other Wal-Mart customers, April and Ronald Ritchie, saw Crawford walking around the store with what appeared to be a gun and called the police. The police station reports that officers asked Crawford to put down the weapon, and opened fire when he did not comply. He later died of his gun shot wounds at a nearby hospital, where his death was ruled a homicide by the Montgomery County coroner’s office. A request for comment by msnbc to the Beavercreek police department was not immediately returned.

The Ohio Attorney General’s office has said that the gun Crawford was carrying was an MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle, also known as a “variable pump air rifle.” Family members could not be reached for comment by msnbc.

Tasha Thomas, who identified herself as Crawford’s girlfriend, told the Dayton Daily News that she drove Crawford to the Wal-Mart and was also in the store, but was in a different aisle from Crawford when the shooting happened. He was not armed when he entered the store, she said. “He did not have any type of gun on him. It’s not fair.”

A relative told the paper the family had contacted the NAACP and the National Action Network, a civil rights group led by MSNBC’s Rev. Al Sharpton.


Lol, he was wrappin on the phone with his baby mamma while his girl was a few isles over. We will miss this getbigger.

Also, to all of you calling it a toy, it was an air rifle, which is a weapon. Dude was pointing  it at people like a jackass, and while he didn't think he'd be shot over it, he was trying to make a spectacle and paid the ultimate price.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Disgusted on August 17, 2014, 05:42:59 PM

Lol, he was wrappin on the phone with his baby mamma while his girl was a few isles over. We will miss this getbigger.

Also, to all of you calling it a toy, it was an air rifle, which is a weapon. Dude was pointing  it at people like a jackass, and while he didn't think he'd be shot over it, he was trying to make a spectacle and paid the ultimate price.

Where did you read he was waiving it at people?
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 17, 2014, 05:52:12 PM
Where did you read he was waiving it at people?

The CBS article.
Ronald Ritchie said Crawford "was just waving [the gun] at children and people...I couldn't hear anything that he was saying. I'm thinking that he is either going to rob the place or he's there to shoot somebody.

"He didn't really want to be looked at and when people did look at him, he was pointing the gun at them
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Disgusted on August 17, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
The CBS article.
Ronald Ritchie said Crawford "was just waving [the gun] at children and people...I couldn't hear anything that he was saying. I'm thinking that he is either going to rob the place or he's there to shoot somebody.

"He didn't really want to be looked at and when people did look at him, he was pointing the gun at them

Thanks. Damn what an idiot.  ???
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Lustral on August 17, 2014, 06:05:29 PM
A guy here got busted a couple years back for waving a water pistol about in a betting shop. He covered orange on nozzle with black tape. If you are that stupid you deserve the consequences.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Voice of Doom on August 17, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Ban Wal-marts? 
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2014, 07:28:24 PM
LOL, I used to teach that course in FL. Yeah, the folks in NH aren't like that.

oh that's awesome!  Did you frequently hear that in FL?  A bunch of obama-hating people with dental issues, curious about ten scenarios in which they could put 11 rounds into a human being?   

Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 17, 2014, 07:31:13 PM
curious about ten scenarios in which they could put 11 rounds into a human being?   



Sick... lol

Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: The Ugly on August 17, 2014, 08:35:17 PM

Sorry Adonis...but this one's a bit shaky unlike Michael Brown's case.  If he's in a section near the toy guns, why would an officer not ask an employee whether he had a toy gun or not or why wouldn't customer report it to an employee.  Somewhere in communicating, this conclusion would have been more likely. 


In this case, I'm going to have to call it an unwise and hasty shoot


In this case....I consider it a very hasty shoot


Repetitively redundant, bro.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Mawse on August 17, 2014, 08:52:15 PM
yeah, it's like the average IQ in the room is 90 when getting a permit.  Always full of elderly and hillbillies.  And the instructors just don't emphasize "get out of danger" and instead emphasize "here are 8 scenarios where you can waste a dude".

everyone is just dying for a chance to stand their ground.  crazy dangerous.  No way would I open carry.  I could go for my buzzing cell phone and some redneck idiot in line who's been eyeballing me might shoot me... and say "He was reaching, I feared for my life", and he'd probably WALK in florida.  :(

Unlike here in the bay where the hypothetical class (lol) would contain an anti-gun actor with multiple felonies, a handful of gun grabbing politicians and millionaire anti gun campaigners and two of the sheriffs BFFs  :-\

The alternative to Cletus and Jethro having a CCW is a lot worse
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: BigCyp on August 18, 2014, 03:15:07 AM
Hahaha good. What a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: BigCyp on August 18, 2014, 03:17:14 AM
If i'm walking around a supermarket, with my 4 year old and 18 month old children and wife, and some dickhead is walking around with an imitation rifle pointing it at people, as soon as the police come and shoot him I will be much happier.

If the gun was real or not after he died - I don't give a shit. Doesn't change how threatened I felt when he was waving it at my fucking kids.

What an absolute penis.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: _aj_ on August 18, 2014, 03:22:56 AM
oh that's awesome!  Did you frequently hear that in FL?  A bunch of obama-hating people with dental issues, curious about ten scenarios in which they could put 11 rounds into a human being?  

Not really, I used to teach private and semi-private courses. I did it as a "community service" and only charged the $12 for the NRA course materials. So, I got to pick and choose who I taught.

Did the same thing in MA when I lived there. Been too busy since moving to NH, but I still maintain my instructor's rating.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: gracie bjj on August 18, 2014, 06:19:03 AM
cops got a split second sometimes to make a decision that can mean them going home n seeing their kids n wife or getting carried away in a bodybag to the morgue, its not like they have time to walk over there n look at the weapon n say oh ok,its only a BB GUN or whatever. when it comes down to u getting shot or them, trust me,its gonna b them if u can help it.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 18, 2014, 07:30:16 AM
cops got a split second sometimes to make a decision that can mean them going home n seeing their kids n wife or getting carried away in a bodybag to the morgue, its not like they have time to walk over there n look at the weapon n say oh ok,its only a BB GUN or whatever. when it comes down to u getting shot or them, trust me,its gonna b them if u can help it.

Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.  :-\
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: viking1 on August 18, 2014, 07:43:53 AM
Can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: mr.turbo on August 18, 2014, 07:44:42 AM
If i'm walking around a supermarket, with my 4 year old and 18 month old children and wife, and some dickhead is walking around with an imitation rifle pointing it at people, as soon as the police come and shoot him I will be much happier.

If the gun was real or not after he died - I don't give a shit. Doesn't change how threatened I felt when he was waving it at my fucking kids.

What an absolute penis.

yes good point

just use your feelings shoot first and find the facts later
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: gracie bjj on August 18, 2014, 08:00:29 AM
Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.  :-\


id rather take my chances in front of a jury than be dead,atleast with the jury u got a great chance of walking away especially if u r in the right and being a cop dont hurt either,once your dead u r dead,dead is dead n when u r dead u r dead n that means u r dead n once your dead your dead
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 18, 2014, 10:12:31 AM

id rather take my chances in front of a jury than be dead,atleast with the jury u got a great chance of walking away especially if u r in the right and being a cop dont hurt either,once your dead u r dead,dead is dead n when u r dead u r dead n that means u r dead n once your dead your dead

Exactly.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Devon97 on August 18, 2014, 10:18:19 AM
I wonder why he was carrying the gun around the store?

It's not like he was going to buy it.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: gracie bjj on August 18, 2014, 02:29:27 PM
I wonder why he was carrying the gun around the store?

It's not like he was going to buy it.

he was prolly looking to stick someone up n snatch their wallet























Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: BigCyp on August 19, 2014, 03:25:50 AM
yes good point

just use your feelings shoot first and find the facts later

I'm no expert, but aren't the laws that support a 'clean shoot' based on how threatened you 'feel' at the time? Facts included also, obviously.

If someone is waving a cucumber around and you shoot the guy, because you feel in mortal danger - yeah it's not gonna fly. However, if the facts support me feeling that my family is threatened mortally (i.e. he was waving a maching gun that looked real, he was being threatening etc etc) then yes - you shoot first, and let the prick and his family sort out the facts as to why he was stupid enough to get get shot, later.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Rami on August 19, 2014, 03:28:29 AM
toy  ::)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: gracie bjj on August 19, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
toy  ::)



i know what u r saying but have u ever seen some of those toys guns they make these days? to be honest its hard as hell to tell if its real or not unless u get up close,im talking 5 ft or less. i have a bb gun 9mm version n u couldnt tell unless u where 3 ft away or less,its hard sometimes
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Ken Fresno on August 19, 2014, 03:43:17 AM
I have sat thru plenty of concealed weapons courses with friends over the years, along with my own.  There are always a few people in class saying "Can I shoot someone if..." and delivering many scenarios.  They don't think first about avoiding the situation, negotiating a retreat, etc.  They just want a permission slip to shoot people.

In FL, too many people are blood thirsty.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205678.0;attach=239911;image)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Rami on August 19, 2014, 04:49:16 AM


i know what u r saying but have u ever seen some of those toys guns they make these days? to be honest its hard as hell to tell if its real or not unless u get up close,im talking 5 ft or less. i have a bb gun 9mm version n u couldnt tell unless u where 3 ft away or less,its hard sometimes

That's what I mean, it's not really a toy if you can't tell the difference.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Pray_4_War on August 19, 2014, 05:35:06 AM
I'm getting all my info about this from Getbig so take that for what it's worth but,

Why were the cops not able to approach him, identify themselves, and demand that he put it down before shooting him?  Get close to him, get some cover so you aren't just standing there with a bulls-eye on your chest, and see if he complies with your orders.  They couldn't tell that he was on the phone?  It's not like there had already been shots fired.  I think a lot of cops have forgotten that it is their job to put themselves in harms way.  They are trained to defend themselves and they are trained for gun fights.  Instead they just shoot first so they don't have to bother.

Shit is getting out of hand.  The dipshits and the nutcases are dictating policy and rest of us are subjected to their idiocy.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Devon97 on August 19, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
I'm getting all my info about this from Getbig so take that for what it's worth but,

Why were the cops not able to approach him, identify themselves, and demand that he put it down before shooting him?  Get close to him, get some cover so you aren't just standing there with a bulls-eye on your chest, and see if he complies with your orders.  They couldn't tell that he was on the phone?  It's not like there had already been shots fired.  I think a lot of cops have forgotten that it is their job to put themselves in harms way.  They are trained to defend themselves and they are trained for gun fights.  Instead they just shoot first so they don't have to bother.

Shit is getting out of hand.  The dipshits and the nutcases are dictating policy and rest of us are subjected to their idiocy.

By asking these questions proves you don't understand police protocol.

The first thing the cops PROBABLY did was shout at him to put his hands UP! Of course knowing full well that negros severely struggle with following directions and authority figures and combine the two and you have a rebellious black man who will do anything BUT what the cops order him to do. You don't have to be a psychic to predict what his first response probably was.

 I can picture this unemployed, welfare sucking, illegitimate child producing, dysfunctional brute politely submitting to the police orders.  ::)

He probably hurled some cuss words in defiance , stepped toward them  in an aggressive manner and then was quickly reduced to a heap of shit in his kente cloth made in Korea and and his Dashiki made in Taiwan
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Devon97 on August 19, 2014, 04:52:01 PM
I'm getting all my info about this from Getbig so take that for what it's worth but,

Why were the cops not able to approach him, identify themselves, and demand that he put it down before shooting him?  Get close to him, get some cover so you aren't just standing there with a bulls-eye on your chest, and see if he complies with your orders.  They couldn't tell that he was on the phone?  It's not like there had already been shots fired.  I think a lot of cops have forgotten that it is their job to put themselves in harms way.  They are trained to defend themselves and they are trained for gun fights.  Instead they just shoot first so they don't have to bother.

Shit is getting out of hand.  The dipshits and the nutcases are dictating policy and rest of us are subjected to their idiocy.


LOL! Do cops in full uniform really need to identify themselves??  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: tommywishbone on August 19, 2014, 05:19:11 PM
Walmart sucks. 
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: wes on August 19, 2014, 05:38:16 PM
Ban toys.  ;D
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Master Blaster on August 19, 2014, 09:52:21 PM
Suicide by cop
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Pray_4_War on August 19, 2014, 10:41:44 PM
By asking these questions proves you don't understand police protocol.

The first thing the cops PROBABLY did was shout at him to put his hands UP! Of course knowing full well that negros severely struggle with following directions and authority figures and combine the two and you have a rebellious black man who will do anything BUT what the cops order him to do. You don't have to be a psychic to predict what his first response probably was.

 I can picture this unemployed, welfare sucking, illegitimate child producing, dysfunctional brute politely submitting to the police orders.  ::)

He probably hurled some cuss words in defiance , stepped toward them  in an aggressive manner and then was quickly reduced to a heap of shit in his kente cloth made in Korea and and his Dashiki made in Taiwan

Even if police protocol is 100% correct and appropriate, that doesn't mean that these officers followed it in this situation.  There are alot of assumptions in your post.

What are the facts?  If he was refusing to comply and pointing the fake gun at people even after the cops presented themselves and ordered him to drop it then ok.  Is that what happened though?  At first glace it doesn't seem like it.  In time perhaps I'll be proven wrong but there seems to be a recent trend of police smoking the people that aren't dangerous and not stopping the ones that are.

And yes, the police do need to identify themselves regardless of if they are all decked out in their combat warrior robocop body armor. 
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: SF1900 on August 19, 2014, 10:56:45 PM
I used to walk around my neighborhood with one of these in each hand. People saw me walking. They knew the drill.

(http://141plus.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ss30.jpg)

When I wanted to go fully BOSS, ID walk around with one of these. They knew I meant business.

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3726/supersoaker100.jpg)

Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 19, 2014, 10:58:21 PM
I used to walk around my neighborhood with one of these in each hand. People saw me walking. They knew the drill.

(http://141plus.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ss30.jpg)

When I wanted to go fully BOSS, ID walk around with one of these. They knew I meant business.

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3726/supersoaker100.jpg)



Yes!!!!!!!! I miss that shit so bad!!!!

My friend had the cool one with like 5 individual tanks.  :D
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 19, 2014, 11:01:05 PM
(http://www.isoaker.com/Armoury/Analysis/1996/XP105_images/iS_supersoaker_xp105_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: SF1900 on August 19, 2014, 11:01:28 PM
Yes!!!!!!!! I miss that shit so bad!!!!

My friend had the cool one with like 5 individual tanks.  :D

If you had this one, you were badass.

(http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20111202/640/super_soakers_640_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 19, 2014, 11:02:46 PM
If you had this one, you were badass.

(http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20111202/640/super_soakers_640_03.jpg)

haha, that's insane. I remember seeing those and getting excited the way men in thongs excite me now. but never had one.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: calfzilla on August 20, 2014, 02:19:57 AM
(http://www.isoaker.com/Armoury/Analysis/1996/XP105_images/iS_supersoaker_xp105_02.jpg)

I can imagine an 11 year old Roger Bacon walking up to big tit milfs in white shirts and soaking them thoroughly.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: visualizeperfection on August 20, 2014, 02:51:59 AM

Sorry Adonis...but this one's a bit shaky unlike Michael Brown's case.  If he's in a section near the toy guns, why would an officer not ask an employee whether he had a toy gun or not or why wouldn't customer report it to an employee.  Somewhere in communicating, this conclusion would have been more likely. 


In this case, I'm going to have to call it an unwise and hasty shoot


In this case....I consider it a very hasty shoot

Good thing your opinion means "nada"....

Yes... there is a chance of an armed man, potentially with the intent to take other lives, lets ask stupid questions. That airsoft gun looks very realistic to me.




REST IN PISS.


Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: tu_holmes on August 20, 2014, 02:53:21 AM
If you're pointing at other people... you get got.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: visualizeperfection on August 20, 2014, 02:54:52 AM
There has been some really top notch police work this last couple weeks.


A lot of "undesirables" have been removed from the gene pool. Great work.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 20, 2014, 10:24:43 AM
to this day, i find it impossible to take a bubble bath, without arming myself with at least one super soaker.

it gets boring in there after like 5 minutes.  wasting the stack bubbles while waiting for the next entertaining "buttburp bubble" to materialize is awesome.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Var City on August 20, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
???

For what, pointing a realistic looking gun (which is a weapon) at customers, children and the cops and then refusing to drop it when ordered to do so?


At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions.

Ok so by that logic you, at some point, will be married to another man

Because of your homosexual preference
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 20, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
I can imagine an 11 year old Roger Bacon walking up to big tit milfs in white shirts and soaking them thoroughly.

My friends all resented the fact that I was so into their moms.  ;D

Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: calfzilla on August 20, 2014, 12:01:54 PM
My friends all resented the fact that I was so into their moms.  ;D



True story:  my buddy and I went to another buddies house and his aunt was there who was pretty decent looking. We were about 21. Anyway, my friend would use the word MILF and he told me what it meant; however I thought it was something he came up with so I assumed him and I were the only ones that knew what it meant. So we are in the kitchen with the hot aunt and I say to my friend "milf"?  assuming only we knew what it meant. She never said anything but I wonder what she thought when I openly called her a milf.  :-[
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: 240 is Back on August 20, 2014, 12:03:19 PM
My friends all resented the fact that I was so into their moms.  ;D



best song ever.   use this song on single moms and they just melt.  If the kid's name is johnny, just give a "Johnny's mom has got it going on".   She'll be on her knees in the laundry closet in no time.
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 20, 2014, 12:04:37 PM
True story:  my buddy and I went to another buddies house and his aunt was there who was pretty decent looking. We were about 21. Anyway, my friend would use the word MILF and he told me what it meant; however I thought it was something he came up with so I assumed him and I were the only ones that knew what it meant. So we are in the kitchen with the hot aunt and I say to my friend "milf"?  assuming only we knew what it meant. She never said anything but I wonder what she thought when I openly called her a milf.  :-[

That's awesome  ;D
Title: Re: Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 20, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
best song ever.   use this song on single moms and they just melt.  If the kid's name is johnny, just give a "Johnny's mom has got it going on".   She'll be on her knees in the laundry closet in no time.

You've done more to advance my milf conquests than any other person. I owe you big time!!!

Looking up the tab now.  ;D