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Well, after one year of equipping cops with body-worn cameras in Rialto, California, use of force by the police declined by 60% and customer complaints declined by 88%. Read more here:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/what-happens-when-police-officers-wear-body-cameras-1408320244
Personally, it seems pretty cut-and-dry to me...if a police officer is conducting themselves appropriately, they have nothing to worry about. Not only that, but it could serve as additional evidence to be used in prosecuting criminals. To keep it topical, it could even help to show that a police officer had conducted themselves appropriately.
What say you, Getbig?
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Try getting it by the unions. Pilots opposed the black box at first thinking it would invade their privacy (even though they would likely be dead if someone listened to it).
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On the flip side you get police that are afraid to act because their job can be in jeopardy. If you think trying to arrest a scum bag is easy because you can reason with these irate simpletons you are mistaken.
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On the flip side you get police that are afraid to act because their job can be in jeopardy. If you think trying to arrest a scum bag is easy because you can reason with these irate simpletons you are mistaken.
Anyone who has done door work will know how fucking annoying people can be. CCTV is like a bodycam in respects. Had a mate working security in a local nightclub. They were kicking out some guy for fighting inside when mate was at door. On the way out he broke loose from 2 security, punched both and was coming at mate. He kicked guy in head and knocked him out.
Guy sued nightclub and mate was charged with assault causing harm. Nightclub handed over CCTV and he had to pay 5k compensation. Fucking joke.
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this is a job where you can carry a gun, order someone into an alley, shoot them, drop a knife at their feet, and get a medal for it.
It seems weird that most russian taxi drivers have cameras on 24/7, but most cops in the USA do not.
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I want cops to be the first to get the electronic fingerprint locks for their duty sidearm. LOL!
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Yay, more taxes for the upkeep and purchase of these things ::).
Also what Oldtimer said is correct, watch the quality of policing drop to a lower level then it already is. You'll get the dregs of society doing it, because no one of quality wants the constant pressure of second guessing themselves.
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Well, after one year of equipping cops with body-worn cameras in Rialto, California, use of force by the police declined by 60% and customer complaints declined by 88%. Read more here:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/what-happens-when-police-officers-wear-body-cameras-1408320244
Personally, it seems pretty cut-and-dry to me...if a police officer is conducting themselves appropriately, they have nothing to worry about. Not only that, but it could serve as additional evidence to be used in prosecuting criminals. To keep it topical, it could even help to show that a police officer had conducted themselves appropriately.
What say you, Getbig?
How about data indicating how effectively Rialto police are addressing crime with the cameras in place? The data above is consistent with the police 'backing off' and not addressing crime as vociferously, thereby leading to less complaints.
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Make them optional.
I bet many cops would LOVE to have a clip-on camera with them 24/7.
99% of cops aren't pieces of shit, framing people and executing jaywalkers. They might even pay for a gopro or whatever. It means they'll never lose their house as a result of a brutality claim. It means any missing evidence, accusations, dispute will never be their problem. Many would love it.
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On the flip side you get police that are afraid to act because their job can be in jeopardy. If you think trying to arrest a scum bag is easy because you can reason with these irate simpletons you are mistaken.
Doesn't seem to be an issue with the dashboard cameras that are now standard-issue on just about every police car.
What's the issue with making sure that police are conducting themselves appropriately?
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I want cops to be the first to get the electronic fingerprint locks for their duty sidearm. LOL!
Yes, this is relevant to the thread. Excellent point. LOL!
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I wonder if they will turn them off when their jerking off in the back parking lot of a dunkin donuts :-\
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Make them optional.
I bet many cops would LOVE to have a clip-on camera with them 24/7.
99% of cops aren't pieces of shit, framing people and executing jaywalkers. They might even pay for a gopro or whatever. It means they'll never lose their house as a result of a brutality claim. It means any missing evidence, accusations, dispute will never be their problem. Many would love it.
what cop executed a jaywalker?
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what cop executed a jaywalker?
i dunno if it's ever happened, that was a totally made up scenario.
However, cameras could prevent things like this from ever taking place.
Police wouldn't be able to modify stories about why they stopped citizens. The film would be there to document it.
Like most people to the right of Al Sharpton, I love the idea.
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Cops here are unarmed and we have a low crime rate. It is policing by consent really. I have had run ins with the law from shitty things like drunk and disorderly to other matters. Much as I, like anyone, hate being caught, they have always been courteous, acted professionally and within the law.
Just saying.
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i dunno if it's ever happened, that was a totally made up scenario.
However, cameras could prevent things like this from ever taking place.
Police wouldn't be able to modify stories about why they stopped citizens. The film would be there to document it.
Like most people to the right of Al Sharpton, I love the idea.
defintely could, it could also prevent a criminal and his friend from claiming police brutality after one of them assaults an officer and is killed in the process...hypothetically speaking ;)
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Cops here are unarmed and we have a low crime rate. It is policing by consent really. I have had run ins with the law from shitty things like drunk and disorderly to other matters. Much as I, like anyone, hate being caught, they have always been courteous, acted professionally and within the law.
Just saying.
where is here?
different culture it sounds like, I think a cop can get by without a gun the vast majority of the time but remember the old phrase. Id rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.
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where is here?
different culture it sounds like, I think a cop can get by without a gun the vast majority of the time but remember the old phrase. Id rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.
Ireland.
Gun crime here is next to non existent. Black market it is 5k plus for a gun, possession of one is severely punished.
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defintely could, it could also prevent a criminal and his friend from claiming police brutality after one of them assaults an officer and is killed in the process...hypothetically speaking ;)
the good thing about criminals is that police are able to identify them. By sight. From their position in the street alone.
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defintely could, it could also prevent a criminal and his friend from claiming police brutality after one of them assaults an officer and is killed in the process...hypothetically speaking ;)
Yessss exactly.
I think this would work out to help the police 90% of the time
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Ireland.
Gun crime here is next to non existent. Black market it is 5k plus for a gun, possession of one is severely punished.
completely different situation in the US there boss, 5k can get you a fully automatic mac10/11 here and the black market is full of guns some of which sold by our own government.
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the good thing about criminals is that police are able to identify them. By sight. From their position in the street alone.
or the stolen merchandise they are carrying, its a great thing indeed.
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Yessss exactly.
I think this would work out to help the police 90% of the time
agreed, i think it would help cut down on law suits too knowing that both the cops actions and the citizens are being recorded.
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completely different situation in the US there boss, 5k can get you a fully automatic mac10/11 here and the black market is full of guns some of which sold by our own government.
I know. Was just making a point.
The police represent their society. Here, it is by consent. In Brazil they are corrupt and violent. In USA they are heavily armed.
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or the stolen merchandise they are carrying, its a great thing indeed.
When non-Americans commit a crime to enter the USA to feed their family, it's an act of love.
When actual Americans commit a crime to feed a nicotine addiction created by mass media merging of big business and big govt interests, suddenly it's an executable offense.*
*Source CNN
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I know. Was just making a point.
The police represent their society. Here, it is by consent. In Brazil they are corrupt and violent. In USA they are heavily armed.
many of the citizens in the US have a distrust of the govt and police for different reasons there is not a whole lot of consent going on here.
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When non-Americans commit a crime to enter the USA to feed their family, it's an act of love.
When actual Americans commit a crime to feed a nicotine addiction created by mass media merging of big business and big govt interests, suddenly it's an executable offense.*
*Source CNN
lol sounds like cnn
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http://www.wbtv.com/story/26364569/video-obtained-after-pastor-naacp-claim-police-mistreatment?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass
Video shows pastor lied about abuse by cop
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Anybody remember that vid of the cop who was wearing a body camera, and the dude he confronted was like "US Army", and the cop put the dude on the ground and was like "US Marines!"?
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Here's a video of a pussy beating a woman.......Looks like he can barely get the job done with backup pussies....
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This is more like it.....THREE cops beat the fuck out of a small woman. Bet they bragged to their friends for weeks at the local Wawa or deli about their bravery in handling this dangerous criminal...
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This one shows brave pigs kicking ass on a pregnant woman......
"Hey sarge, I took down two people today.....all by myself. I know one was a few months from being born, but still....."
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imagine everybody in the world was wearing cameras all the time
the end of porn, steroids, bodybuilding, prostitution............
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imagine everybody in the world was wearing cameras all the time
the end of porn, steroids, bodybuilding, prostitution............
Very soon, very soon Leopold ............
Google glasses will be released this year ;)
They look like normal glasses :)
U could film clubbing ............
;D
Ps. couldn't pinch promo pair of those Google fuckers >:(
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imagine everybody in the world was wearing cameras all the time
the end of porn, steroids, bodybuilding, prostitution............
The end of wanking as well.
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Interesting... Cop in a hated district desperate for public support happens to be "shot in the arm" in the same minute he turns off his body camera.
No gun, no suspect. The cop turns off his camera, notices a bad guy acting shady, so he starts pursuit. bad guy fires a gun which wounds him, and bad guy disappears.
This official report, of course, is much different from the "original" story which the police leaked to the conservative media. Hmmmm.
Ferguson Police Dept ---"Body Camera OFF"
Police also confirmed today that the wounded officer had a body camera, but that it was turned off during the incident.
St. Louis County Police Sgt. Brian Schellman, a police spokesman, said he did not know why the camera was off.
Ferguson police officers began wearing body cameras on Aug. 31, three weeks after a white police officer, Darren Wilson, fatally shot Michael Brown Jr., an unarmed black teenager.
Police originally reported late Saturday night that the officer spotted two suspects trying to break into a business and that when confronted, one of them pulled a gun and fired at the office, wounding him in the arm.
Police, however, now are describing a different scenario: that the police officer, during a business check, saw a male subject in the rear of the Ferguson Community Center. When he approached, the person began to run and the officer followed on foot. During the pursuit, the man spun around and fired at the officer, who was hit in the left arm, before disappearing in the wooded area behind the center.
MORE:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-searching-for-only-one-suspect-in-ferguson-police-shooting/article_21e165ad-1f7f-5ae8-b30a-fb9d9dc40afe.html
Bwahahahahahah this cop beats the shit out of people but never has camera on for that. I wonder if there's a camera for the Ferguson shooting itself. That should clear that cop of everyhting, right? Wink
Cop is trying to get medical leave now.
The officer, who has a history of not capturing encounters on video in which he used force, is on desk duty while an Internal Affairs investigation is underway.
http://www.abqjournal.com/404223/news/apd-no-lapel-video-of-mary-hawkes-shooting-2.html
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completely different situation in the US there boss, 5k can get you a fully automatic mac10/11 here and the black market is full of guns some of which sold by our own government.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Anybody remember that vid of the cop who was wearing a body camera, and the dude he confronted was like "US Army", and the cop put the dude on the ground and was like "US Marines!"?
Yeah but I think the kid said "US military"
it was funny.
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Yeah but I think the kid said "US military"
it was funny.
I think he said "US Soldier" or something actually... I remember that.
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I think he said "US Soldier" or something actually... I remember that.
Yeah I think so.
Was hilarious.
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police officers should not be able to turn off their cameras during their shift. Period. They're public servants armed with arrest powers. If they're not doing anything wrong they've got nothing to be afraid of.
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police officers should not be able to turn off their cameras during their shift. Period. They're public servants armed with arrest powers. If they're not doing anything wrong they've got nothing to be afraid of.
LOL @ the ferguson cop. Has a history of turning off camera then having violence complaints. Why wasn't he fired after the first time?
And "Mystery bad guy shoots me in arm, and gets away, and now I get medical retirement" while his camera is off?
LOL
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police officers should not be able to turn off their cameras during their shift. Period. They're public servants armed with arrest powers. If they're not doing anything wrong they've got nothing to be afraid of.
There are a couple issues with the no camera off thing. 1st, unlike TV, cops go to the bathroom. 2nd, there is the data storage issue. There is an ungodly amount of data stored just from the times when the camera is required to be on. Having the data collected 24/7 would over run the capabilities rather quickly from our experience. On specific situations, we will require an officer to have his camera running during his entire shift, but there is a documented reason for it. Having the entire force do it isn't practical. Better solution is the have a policy in place that clearly states when the camera is required to be on and in those cases when it is not, then if it is not camera malfunction then depending on the incident, discipline from Written Rep for non events to termination for serious incidents should be handed down.
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Yeah but I think the kid said "US military"
it was funny.
Here it is
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It's not about brutality. It's about having everyone know that between calls they watch porn, eat donuts, get free BJs from prostititutes and fuck their GFs behind their wives backs.
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It's not about brutality. It's about having everyone know that between calls they watch porn, eat donuts, get free BJs from prostititutes and fuck their GFs behind their wives backs.
haha
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This is another good reason to mandate body cameras for police.....think of all the choice footage that will get leaked onto youtube :D :D
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There are a couple issues with the no camera off thing. 1st, unlike TV, cops go to the bathroom. 2nd, there is the data storage issue. There is an ungodly amount of data stored just from the times when the camera is required to be on. Having the data collected 24/7 would over run the capabilities rather quickly from our experience. On specific situations, we will require an officer to have his camera running during his entire shift, but there is a documented reason for it. Having the entire force do it isn't practical. Better solution is the have a policy in place that clearly states when the camera is required to be on and in those cases when it is not, then if it is not camera malfunction then depending on the incident, discipline from Written Rep for non events to termination for serious incidents should be handed down.
No. There's to much chance of incidents happening when the camera is "off". These are public servants. Their rights and privacy diminish in exchange for the power to arrest and the use of lethal force. There are perfectly fine video compression systems that will make a 8 hour shift recording into a manageable file size. I do business recordings that condense 60 min presentations to 13mb. When the shift is over the data is uploaded to a police server, immediately copied to a public citizen's watch group server (to help reduce "accidental" erasing). The unit is wiped, recharged and ready for the next shift.
Nobody will be watching the cop take a shit or eat lunch unless there is cause to review the video. Cops that work in the police station wouldn't be required to wear cameras. Their behavior will be monitored by internal cameras I'm sure already exist in the buildings.
It sounds Orwellian for the police to be monitored so heavily but its for the protection of citizens. Besides, if they're not doing anything wrong they don't have anything to fear.
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Very soon, very soon Leopold ............
Google glasses will be released this year ;)
They look like normal glasses :)
U could film clubbing ............
;D
Ps. couldn't pinch promo pair of those Google fuckers >:(
i could film sex etc
lol
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It's not about brutality. It's about having everyone know that between calls they watch porn, eat donuts, get free BJs from prostititutes and fuck their GFs behind their wives backs.
I resent the implication that we don't include our wives
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No. There's to much chance of incidents happening when the camera is "off". These are public servants. Their rights and privacy diminish in exchange for the power to arrest and the use of lethal force. There are perfectly fine video compression systems that will make a 8 hour shift recording into a manageable file size. I do business recordings that condense 60 min presentations to 13mb. When the shift is over the data is uploaded to a police server, immediately copied to a public citizen's watch group server (to help reduce "accidental" erasing). The unit is wiped, recharged and ready for the next shift.
Nobody will be watching the cop take a shit or eat lunch unless there is cause to review the video. Cops that work in the police station wouldn't be required to wear cameras. Their behavior will be monitored by internal cameras I'm sure already exist in the buildings.
It sounds Orwellian for the police to be monitored so heavily but its for the protection of citizens. Besides, if they're not doing anything wrong they don't have anything to fear.
I agree with the "not doing anything wrong then.." part. But the reality is, cops have conversations between each other about calls and incidents that are not meant for public ears. For example, I just have an incident with Jim Bob who is a complete ass with me. After dealing with Jim Bob who called me every name in the book it's likely I may want to decompress with a candid conversation with my partner. Granted, you could insist that every word I speak during the shift should be available to the public but that's not healthy for either. Or if my boss pissed me off at roll call, and I want to vent to my buddy, I can't. I'm on break and talk to my wife via phone, ... the conditions you are setting would be so annoying that I don't think you'd have many people applying at that department. No one, even the best super cop to ever walk the earth, would work under those conditions day in and day out.
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Trooper gets prison in theft from dying motorist
Source: Associated Press
Trooper gets prison in theft from dying motorist
Oct 10, 9:50 PM EDT
BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (AP) -- A former Connecticut state trooper was sentenced Friday to a year in prison for stealing $3,700 in cash and a gold crucifix from a dying accident victim.
Aaron Huntsman, 45, apologized at his sentencing hearing and said he wasn't the same man he was at the time of the 2012 accident, the Connecticut Post ( http://bit.ly/1tMiwHX ) reported.
"I'm truly sorry for everything, I never realized a simple gold crucifix could cause so much hurt," Huntsman told Judge Robert Devlin. Devlin told Huntsman that he should have been the one person at the crash scene who could have been trusted.
"You threw that trust out the window," he said. The judge sentenced Huntsman to five years, suspended after one year and followed by three years of probation.
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I agree with the "not doing anything wrong then.." part. But the reality is, cops have conversations between each other about calls and incidents that are not meant for public ears. For example, I just have an incident with Jim Bob who is a complete ass with me. After dealing with Jim Bob who called me every name in the book it's likely I may want to decompress with a candid conversation with my partner. Granted, you could insist that every word I speak during the shift should be available to the public but that's not healthy for either. Or if my boss pissed me off at roll call, and I want to vent to my buddy, I can't. I'm on break and talk to my wife via phone, ... the conditions you are setting would be so annoying that I don't think you'd have many people applying at that department. No one, even the best super cop to ever walk the earth, would work under those conditions day in and day out.
You'd still get plenty of people applying, because there are always desperate losers wanting a govt job.
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You'd still get plenty of people applying, because there are always desperate losers wanting a govt job.
True, but would desperate losers applying be a better solution than reasonable criteria on when the cameras can be off? I think we're using an elephant gun to kill a fly
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True, but would desperate losers applying be a better solution than reasonable criteria on when the cameras can be off? I think we're using an elephant gun to kill a fly
FYI, the fly made a furitive movement and I was in fear for my safety..
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FYI, the fly made a furitive movement and I was in fear for my safety..
Hahaha! " I thought the fly had a weapon and I was in fear for my life and the life of others." -every pig that shoots an unarmed citizen