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Craig Titus and his wife, Kelly Ryan, have been charged with murder in the death of their personal assistant. They were arrested in Massachusetts more than a week after the body of Melissa James was found in the trunk of Ryan's burning car.
Now, court documents indicate that James may have initially been attacked with a taser gun the night before her body was discovered.
In court documents obtained by News 3, both Titus and Ryan admitted to friends that they used a taser gun on Melissa James. A taser gun transmits 50,000 volts, incapacitating its target.
The couple told police the gun was given to them by a friend and according to it's manufacturer, Taser International, the gun was discharged six times on December 13 between 2:10 and 2:12 PM.
During that time both Titus and Ryan admit that James was in their home and remnants left behind after the taser fired, called taser dots, were also found inside.
Prosecutors say this evidence, along with the fact the pair led authorities on a manhunt shortly after they were listed as murder suspects, is proof enough they should be held behind bars and denied bail.
Titus is scheduled for a bail hearing Friday. Both he and his wife are facing a charge of first degree murder. The defense plans to ask for a reasonable bail setting. They're expected to argue that Titus poses no danger to the community and is not a flight risk.
http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4484394
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How does Taser International know how many times & what time the taser was discharged? I zapped myself once with a stun-gun(when I was I cop, required) & I can tell you ,it is not fun, makes your joints esp the elbows & knees hurt like a MF'er afterwards. But I was unaware that it had a tracking device in it.Once was enough, doing it 6 times sounds like pure rage.
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I think a Taser gun is different from a stun gun. If they are loaded with 6 shots and there are none left. Plus, it may have being electronic some sort of memory chip inside. And I wonder why it took so many. Theonly thing I can think of is that they must have missed a few times.
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I think a Taser gun is different from a stun gun. If they are loaded with 6 shots and there are none left. Plus, it may have being electronic some sort of memory chip inside. And I wonder why it took so many. Theonly thing I can think of is that they must have missed a few times.
Hummmm, moving target.... interesting :-X
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Taser guns shoot probes, usually two. The one I had shot two little probes up to about 5 metres with around 30,000 volts. Enough to incapacitate the Mrs. ;D
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I have not seen anything that says that Titus & Ryan admitted to tasing Melissa James anywhere. The court documents said that a taser gun was fired six times - I don't think they even found a tazer gun at Craig & Kelly's house???
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Ah Ron, please try and keep up with the Facts of the case bro, you're slippin'.
Craig Titus
Kelly Ryan
The Las Vegas bodybuilding couple accused of murder were in court Friday for a bail hearing but the judge decided to set aside a bail decision until after a preliminary hearing.
"Craig Titus and his wife, Kelly Ryan are charged with murdering their personal assistant, Melissa James.
James' burned body was found in the back of Kelly Rryan's car in December. Meanwhile prosecutors have revealed more information about the case. They say tests on a taser the couple allegedly used during the murder does show the device was used the day James was killed."
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Doh!
:o
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In court documents obtained by News 3, both Titus and Ryan admitted to friends that they used a taser gun on Melissa James. A taser gun transmits 50,000 volts, incapacitating its target.
The couple told police the gun was given to them by a friend and according to it's manufacturer, Taser International, the gun was discharged six times on December 13 between 2:10 and 2:12 PM.
A WOMAN OF SMALL BODY WEIGHT, TASERED SIX TIMES EACH WITH 50,000 VOLTS OF ELECTRICITY IN THE SPAN OF 2 MINUTES......
I can't even write what I was going to write I am so fucking pissed
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does every home in vegas have a taser?
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Ah Ron, please try and keep up with the Facts of the case bro, you're slippin'.
Ron has been doing a good job following the case, but he obviously does not have THESE court documents.
In court documents obtained by News 3, both Titus and Ryan admitted to friends that they used a taser gun on Melissa James.
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I would like to see those court documents.
Sources have said that there was no taser gun found in the house.
Sources have said that there is no proof from the proesuctors that Melissa was tasered, and the detectives admit that.
Sources have said that Titus & Ryan did not say to anyone that they tasered Melissa.
Sources have said that the paper got it from the motion documents, which the prosecuters theories this.
What they did say is that the taser gun they found was used six times - but they don't know who used the taser gun.
I will try to find out more - and I am just being objective on this - but given the nature of that statement - would you not give some proof from the court documents instead of just declaring a statement like that.
But if yo umust know, and many people know this - a lot of these things coming out - I have known for weeks.
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sources are just that, sources, some truth some BS,,,,post it when its fact not "sources say". It takes away credibility
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What they did say is that the taser gun they found was used six times - but they don't know who used the taser gun.
Ron, where did they find this taser?
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Now, court documents indicate that James may have initially been attacked with a taser gun the night before her body was discovered.
In court documents obtained by News 3, both Titus and Ryan admitted to friends that they used a taser gun on Melissa James. A taser gun transmits 50,000 volts, incapacitating its target.
The couple told police the gun was given to them by a friend and according to it’s manufacturer, Taser International, the gun was discharged six times on December 13 between 2:10 and 2:12 PM.
During that time both Titus and Ryan admit that James was in their home and remnants left behind after the taser fired, called taser dots, were also found inside.
Is this better? :-\
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ahahahahah...Ron owned by Shawn...doh! :D
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I'll just wait until the the actual "Trial" to speculate
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Once again, Shawn - is it in a court document - or is it a police report that a detective said that a friend said that Titus & Ryan admitted that. If that was true - it would of been in the initial police report - because allegedly they didn't speak to 'friends' after they left Nevada.
A detective can say that a friend said that. Now - given the timeline - and the official police report that I have on this site - when did they admit this?
Even the detective in court on Friday said that they are not even sure Melissa was tasered. Onlt that the gun was discharged between the two times.
Lets wait for the evidence on this before you render judgement.
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So then did they use the stun gun as a torture device?
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ok ron call for an evidence suppression hearing
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Grissom.....I mean Ron, I believe we are ALL waiting for the evidence, that being said, the initial Police Report Never contains ALL the Facts of the case.
Did you miss the fact that BEFORE Craig & Kelly left Las Vegas for Boston, they not only spoke to Mandy, where in Kelly blurted out the fact that Melissa was dead and the details would cause her nightmares, prior to Mandy and her man telling the police their side.
As well, your boy Anthony Gross, where upon 13 cells phone calls were made, certainly there was some conversation as to the facts of the case discussed much of which none of us will know until the trial but some of which has clearly came out due to the residue from the Taser gun being found at the same time Craig & Kelly were home.
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know the Dog didn't fire off the shots!
We are all waiting for more details................. .....
The News Reports and Court Documents so far seem to be pretty accurate sad to say or they would have gotten Bail. :-\
S. Ray
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grissom........hahahahah ahaaaaaaaa ;D
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Mandy told me they changed their story. First there was an accident, then she OD'd.
Kelly changed it then Craig told her to "drop it".
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http://www.getbig.com/news/2006-01/060210titus.htm
No bail for Craig Titus or Kelly Ryan today, the judge said. The defense team was hoping that coming into this courtroom today, Friday February 10th, that they would come out with bail for the two. It did not happen. While the judge did not completely rule out bail coming up in the next court appearance, on March 29th, it does mean that Craig & Kelly are in jail, perhaps in maximum security, in solitary confinement, for at least another month and a half. And in the courtroom - the victim's mother - Maura James - who flew in from New Jersey. Also in the courtroom - Anthony Gross. . There also was no plea given today at the court either. That will be reserved for another date.
Here, from a friend, is a version of what happened in the court room today.
At 1 o'clock, the hour at which the bail hearing was supposed to commence, Craig and Kelly sat shackled and silent on opposite ends of a small table. There was nobody between them. No lawyers, no detectives, no bailiffs, no judge, no nothing. Moments earlier Kelly had been escorted into Judge Bonaventure's courtroom, wearing the anticipated blue jumpsuit of Clark County Detention Center prisoners, and exhibiting her model's hair, which -- still lambent and bountiful and a bit wavy -- doesn't look like's its been sullied by the rigors of prison life at all; and at the sight of his wife, Craig broke down. Tears fell, and he sobbed. He had arrived first, taken his seat just a short jab away from the prosecutor's table, and remained quiet and ineffable until he saw Kelly, who returned his display of emotion with a look of pure, unadulterated affection. It was the last time the couple would explicitly communicate during the hearing, which spread itself over the next two hours.
After settling some preliminary matters, prosecutor Robert Daskas proposed to the judge that bail, at any price, is just not applicable to the defendants in this case, for not only are they charged with murder (the only offense in Nevada for which a suspect can be held without bail), but they are also high risks for flight, and one of them, Craig, has a very dubious character. All reasons, Daskas said, he would provide evidence for today.
And thus, with his shaky articulation and incessant feet-shuffling, Daskas recapitulated all the evidence that is already well known by diligent followers of the case: Melissa's body torched in the back of Kelly's Jag; videos of Kelly buying lighter fluid and of Craig waiting outside Wal-Mart for her, with Melissa already in the trunk; traces of morphine in Melissa's body at the time of her death; signs on her body, from the coroner's photographs, of partial mummification and strangling.
Also, a witness saying that, shortly after the day Melissa was burned, Titus gave him (or her) a gym bag containing a Taser gun, which experts can prove was shot in the Titus-Ryan household six times on December 13, between 2:10 and 2:12 p.m; and culpable statements given to LVMPD and FBI detectives by Titus and Ryan. However; what Daskas did say that was not common knowledge was that the prosecution has ascribed a motive to Titus and Ryan: embezzlement.
Daskas said the couple claims Melissa stole from them, and that in their minds was reason enough to murder her. Though proffered with an inept and infirm delivery, Daskas made a substantial case. That is, he let the evidence--hard and mountainous-speak for itself.
At one point Schonfeld had interjected and reminded the court of the motion he had filed the day before (at 9;30 a.m) to suppress the statements given by Craig and Kelly in Massachusetts, as they were recorded surreptitiously--which is a violation of state law and thus renders them inadmissible evidence in the court of law. Both the judge and Daskas said they never received the motion.
Daskas then described why the state believes Titus and Ryan are serious flight risks. He said that, according to at least five witnesses, Craig verbalized his intentions of fleeing to a country with a non-extradition policy--either Greece or Mexico. He said that Craig and Kelly tried to sell their house(s), and that they did not sleep in their own house again after the cops questioned them on the morning of Dec. 14. He said that the couple stopped using their cell phones, and instead purchased pre-paid phones so that their numbers would not be traced. And, Daskas said, the couple had traded in their truck, roared some 3,000 miles across the country with some $8,000 stashed away, refusing to sleep in motels due to the fear of recognition, and thus any notion that they were just vacationing is altogether "laughable."
"No," he said, "They were trying to escape the country because they knew they were going to be held in connection with the murder of Melissa James."
Kelly, who had been watching Daskas speak with the attentive eyes of a schoolchild, let out an audible sigh when he said "murder of Melissa James." And she would continue to sigh, or gulp, or sink into her chair a bit any time "Melissa' came up.
For his last point, Daskas said Titus' character needed to be questioned in this matter. He said Titus -- the man who failed to answer Maura James' frantic phone calls after her daughter did not arrive on the flight for which she had been scheduled, the man who finally called Melissa's mother back the Saturday after the incident and told her it wasn't Melissa's body that had been in the trunk, and the man who went on to tell Maura that her daughter faked her own death to assume a new identity (and, as proof, his friend had actually talked to Melissa since the incident) -- is not worthy of bail.
Tim Pitaro, little humble man with a grandiose and erudite manner of speaking in court, and a reputation for being a zany but efficacious defense attorney, then took the floor to speak on the behalf of his client, Kelly Ryan.
Pitaro gave Judge Bonaventure and the rest of the courtroom a 30-minute lesson on the fundamental principle of bail -- invoking the constitution, the country's forefathers, a hundred precedent cases, and many more reasons why Kelly should be granted a reasonable bail price right then and there. And while he didn't directly refute any of the evidence proffered by Daskas, he did exploit the prosecutor's shortcomings -- and I'm speaking of two in specific: a cause of death has still not been determined, for there has been no autopsy report; and the capriciousness of theories being thrown around.
Nobody knows anything for sure, said Pitaro, a short and rotund old man with a charming accent from back east, so the prosecution is just trying to throw everything out there. It's all just sound and fury.
Schonfeld, the sharpest lawyer in the courtroom today, adopted Pitaro's statements, and then tried to convince the judge Craig and Kelly had no intentions of fleeing. He said the hard evidence reflects this. For example: the couple stopped in Massachusetts to get an oil change, which would have been futile if they indeed planned on going to Greece, and just as worthless if they were going to Mexico (for why would they travel 3,000 miles east when they could have just headed a short way south, to Tijuana); at the oil lube station they were described by witnesses as relaxed, as talkative and friendly, and the manager even reported that Craig and he exchanged phone numbers (with Craig saying, 'Whenever you come to Vegas, call me up) and Kelly taught an employee a few dance moves; also at that same oil lube station a marked state trooper was getting work done on his car, but neither Craig nor Kelly appeared worried; and further, Kelly's passport was found in their home in Las Vegas -- not a sign of a person anxious to leave American soil. In addition, Schonfeld mentioned that the couple still had money in their bank accounts, and Craig had written a check to his attorney in Las Vegas for $5,000 the day before -- not signs of people ready to start all over in a new country.
After all of that, the Judge said he needed a recess to think it over. Everyone talked in whispers for the next 20 minutes. Daskas walked to the back seats of the courtroom, from where Maura James had been watching the entire proceedings, sitting directly behind Anthony Gross and his silent family. Pitaro, Schonfeld and Steven Boozang conferred, sometimes with Craig, once on a while with Kelly, but most of the time amongst themselves. Reporters and cameramen gossiped.
And then, after the bailiff's preamble, Judge Bonaventure returned to his high chair and said: I've taken everything with which I was presented, both orally and in written form, into deep consideration, and I believe I must uphold their current status. They will continue to be held at the Clark County Detention Center without bail.
No one reacted with much expression.
After discussing some logistic matters, Schonfeld told the judge that for some reason unknown to him, Craig was often being held in isolation at CCDC, and that made it very difficult to consult with his client on a regular basis. He then asked the judge to talk with the prison to see if they could discontinue Craig's trips to the hole.
Wow - what an interesting court appearance. Close to two hours long.
Well - the judge, while not granting bail at the moment, left everything status quo - reserving ruling on he bail motion until March 29th, the next court appearance. Regarding the motion of suppressing any statements in the 102 page document given by Craig & Kelly in Boston when they were secretly recorded without their knowledge, that was not heard because neither the judges nor the DA had a copy of the motion, which was filed the day before. Apparently, this motion didn't make it through the red tape of the justice system.
Also, regarding the Taser, while they say that Craig gave a friend the taser gun in a gym bag, and they found remnants of taser shots (called taser dots) at the house, they don't have any evidence yet to say that Melissa was actually tasered, only a theory. As for Craig & Kelly admitting to friends that they used a taser gun on Melissa James (as heard from Las Vegas News 3 via alleged court documents), none of that came out in court (which should have been a huge factor), and many sources are wondering if this is actual. What is true is that Taser International examined the gun and said that it was fired six times on December 13 between 2:10 and 2:12pm.
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Pitaro gave Judge Bonaventure and the rest of the courtroom a 30-minute lesson on the fundamental principle of bail -- invoking the constitution, the country's forefathers, a hundred precedent cases, and many more reasons why Kelly should be granted a reasonable bail price right then and there.
Pitaro is a moron. The first thing law students learn in Courtroom Arguments 101 is that you DON'T lecture a judge on the law. Talking down to a judge is just plain stupid.
Bail denied! ;D
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I don't know anything about Tazer Marks but if the body showed wounds from tazer shots, it could offer another reason why they attempted to destroy the body in the fire.
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In case anyone is still wondering about it...both taser and stun guns have chips built into them that record the exact info of how many times the thing has been discharged and when. Initially it was installed in police situations to keep track of when each gun was fired. But It's standard on all of them I assume.
This would easily inform police of when and how may times it was used.
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A WOMAN OF SMALL BODY WEIGHT, TASERED SIX TIMES EACH WITH 50,000 VOLTS OF ELECTRICITY IN THE SPAN OF 2 MINUTES......
I can't even write what I was going to write I am so fucking pissed
I agree. This is getting more and more gruesome. I hate to see what other details come out once the trial actually starts. This is really unbelievable. Tasered, Choked, Burned in a car!!!! What next??
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I agree. This is getting more and more gruesome. I hate to see what other details come out once the trial actually starts. This is really unbelievable. Tasered, Choked, Burned in a car!!!! What next??
that's part of the reason no judge will let the murderer walk on bail for a while. any decent judge knows the moment the murderer is out for few days he's dead. a very nice individual from russia that i'm aware of :)would be happy to see craig out for few days.
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What next??
Find out in the next issue of "Titus Talks" on www.craigtitus.com. Or just read the next Undercover Pro.
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any decent judge knows the moment the murderer is out for few days he's dead. a very nice individual from russia that i'm aware of :)would be happy to see craig out for few days.
Yeah..I know a few in Brighton Beach that would do it and they'd be laughing at his sad little waterworks demonstration the entire time.....
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Okay, now reading this dialogue between Ron and Shawn, I feel compelled to state what I've been thinking all along... (please forgive me, but it's really buggin' me):
Ron... Objectivity is one thing, but I have to say, in all honesty, you truly ARE acting very odd with all of this. Really. And you have to hear it from someone else's perspective...
You say you want to help the James family (but I asked you, away from the board to get me a few things so I could help them, and you just refuse to do it even after agreeing to - yet you still want to get info from Christopher! DAMN, that's cold). What's more, you don't seem to want to hear anything that is at all implicating C&K in any of this, whether it's news or not.
It's weird. It's like you're keeping an ongoing blog to send them in prison, like you're still one of the flunkies under Craig's thumb!! ("I'm still defending you buddy...don't worry! I got'cher back!") Are you suffering from Post Traumatic Stress brought on my Abuse Syndrome too?? I mean, you can't be afraid of him....still?
I dunno.. This just isn't normal. I mean, I have compassion for all involved - honestly. It's a shame, a waste, and a tragedy. But it's real and it's happened, and it isn't just grand larceny or grand theft auto. It's torture, murder and serioussssssssssss disposal of human remains!! So I don't get it!
Forgive me again, but this just really smacks HARD of you trying to position yourself for the "first jailhouse interview" with Titus... Because the first thing you asked me when I told you I had spoken to Chris, was "What's your number? I want to talk to you." And then you asked me, "Are you going to do the interview with them (the James')?" when I said I had had contact with them.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that you were more concerned with scooping a story than helping me with some "uninteresting cause" like trying to help them recoup financial losses from this hardship!!
And one more thing that REALLY bothered me...
This deal with describing Kelly's hair as still "lambant and beautiful", or whatever your the wording was, in the Feb 10th court appearance blog???? Dude, that was a really ODDBALL thing to print. Who gives a crap about her hair? It was almost as if you were giving a red carpet play-by-play, a la Joan Rivers, and that was just soooo out of place. I dunno.. that left a bad taste in my mouth.
You don't need C&K's approval. You know that, right?
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nice - better save this text before Ron deletes it. ;)
Okay, now reading this dialogue between Ron and Shawn, I feel compelled to state what I've been thinking all along... (please forgive me, but it's really buggin' me):
Ron... Objectivity is one thing, but I have to say, in all honesty, you truly ARE acting very odd with all of this. Really. And you have to hear it from someone else's perspective...
You say you want to help the James family (but I asked you, away from the board to get me a few things so I could help them, and you just refuse to do it even after agreeing to - yet you still want to get info from Christopher! DAMN, that's cold). What's more, you don't seem to want to hear anything that is at all implicating C&K in any of this, whether it's news or not.
It's weird. It's like you're keeping an ongoing blog to send them in prison, like you're still one of the flunkies under Craig's thumb!! ("I'm still defending you buddy...don't worry! I got'cher back!") Are you suffering from Post Traumatic Stress brought on my Abuse Syndrome too?? I mean, you can't be afraid of him....still?
I dunno.. This just isn't normal. I mean, I have compassion for all involved - honestly. It's a shame, a waste, and a tragedy. But it's real and it's happened, and it isn't just grand larceny or grand theft auto. It's torture, murder and serioussssssssssss disposal of human remains!! So I don't get it!
Forgive me again, but this just really smacks HARD of you trying to position yourself for the "first jailhouse interview" with Titus... Because the first thing you asked me when I told you I had spoken to Chris, was "What's your number? I want to talk to you." And then you asked me, "Are you going to do the interview with them (the James')?" when I said I had had contact with them.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that you were more concerned with scooping a story than helping me with some "uninteresting cause" like trying to help them recoup financial losses from this hardship!!
And one more thing that REALLY bothered me...
This deal with describing Kelly's hair as still "lambant and beautiful", or whatever your the wording was, in the Feb 10th court appearance blog???? Dude, that was a really ODDBALL thing to print. Who gives a crap about her hair? It was almost as if you were giving a red carpet play-by-play, a la Joan Rivers, and that was just soooo out of place. I dunno.. that left a bad taste in my mouth.
You don't need C&K's approval. You know that, right?
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"This deal with describing Kelly's hair as still "lambant and beautiful", or whatever your the wording was, in the Feb 10th court appearance blog? Dude, that was a really ODDBALL thing to print. Who gives a crap about her hair? It was almost as if you were giving a red carpet play-by-play, a la Joan Rivers, and that was just soooo out of place. I dunno.. that left a bad taste in my mouth. "
Dude!! You read my mind!! I was hoping I wasn't the only one feeling like he had to barf after reading that...
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I totally agree with that last statement, where's the Barf bag?
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If you guys would read closer...
"Here, from a friend, is a version of what happened in the court room today."
The story was written by "J.L." and Ron. Do you really think Ron would write about her hair? Cut the brotha some slack, he's the man when it comes to putting out info on this case.
Puke and Rally.
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Shockandawe,
I have no problem with your post. Being impartial and objective – that is extremely hard to do in this type of case – and if I haven’t been, please tell me where. You have already placed Craig & Kelly as murderers – are you the judge and jury also? I read all of the evidence so far – circumstantial or not. I have my views, of course. But you nor anyone else knows all of the facts yet. I sure don’t.
As for getting information from Christopher – whatever he or Maura told me relating to the case, sometimes weeks before it came out, and yes, we have spoken, I have not posted it, and Chris can attest to that. Until it came out by official means. Are you sure it is not you who wants to do an interview?
Re the Feb 10th court appearance and Kelly’s Ryan hair – I didn’t write that – it is clearly stated there, and regardless – that was an impartial view of what someone thought of that court appearance. So if he talked about Kelly’s hair, or if he wrote about Craig crying, or even what clothes they wore, that is the story he chooses to write, and I see nothing wrong with that. And that bothered you! Of all the details that came out – that was the one that bothered you. Wow..
Yes – it is a murder. No question on that. Yes – compassion for all involved, the James family, the Titus family, the Ryan family. Did you know that Craig’s sister and mother were there at that court appearance? There is tragedy for all here.
As for asking for your number – I get a lot of emails, and if I am corresponding with someone, I want to know that the person I email is who they are – as I have learned from the past that people via email are not always who they claim to be.
You are funny. You don’t know me. If I wanted an interview with Maura or Chris, I could of pushed it. If I wanted to go on television, MSNBC, Fox News, Geraldo, Court TV, I could of done that – ask Bob or Lonnie on those. But I choose not to. The James family deserves respect – as do the Titus and Ryan family (daughters, sisters, parents).
As for the Melissa James fund, trying to help out, it is still there. Every time a news organization calls, I tell them about helping the fund. And if Chris or Maura need something - they have an outlet to speak from.
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Thanks Ron, I almost Puked but your post save the day for when I finally see what this 240 Punk looks like, then I know I'll lose my Cookies! ;D
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Shockandawe,
I have no problem with your post. Being impartial and objective – that is extremely hard to do in this type of case – and if I haven’t been, please tell me where. You have already placed Craig & Kelly as murderers – are you the judge and jury also? I read all of the evidence so far – circumstantial or not. I have my views, of course. But you nor anyone else knows all of the facts yet. I sure don’t.
As for getting information from Christopher – whatever he or Maura told me relating to the case, sometimes weeks before it came out, and yes, we have spoken, I have not posted it, and Chris can attest to that. Until it came out by official means. Are you sure it is not you who wants to do an interview?
Re the Feb 10th court appearance and Kelly’s Ryan hair – I didn’t write that – it is clearly stated there, and regardless – that was an impartial view of what someone thought of that court appearance. So if he talked about Kelly’s hair, or if he wrote about Craig crying, or even what clothes they wore, that is the story he chooses to write, and I see nothing wrong with that. And that bothered you! Of all the details that came out – that was the one that bothered you. Wow..
Yes – it is a murder. No question on that. Yes – compassion for all involved, the James family, the Titus family, the Ryan family. Did you know that Craig’s sister and mother were there at that court appearance? There is tragedy for all here.
As for asking for your number – I get a lot of emails, and if I am corresponding with someone, I want to know that the person I email is who they are – as I have learned from the past that people via email are not always who they claim to be.
You are funny. You don’t know me. If I wanted an interview with Maura or Chris, I could of pushed it. If I wanted to go on television, MSNBC, Fox News, Geraldo, Court TV, I could of done that – ask Bob or Lonnie on those. But I choose not to. The James family deserves respect – as do the Titus and Ryan family (daughters, sisters, parents).
As for the Melissa James fund, trying to help out, it is still there. Every time a news organization calls, I tell them about helping the fund. And if Chris or Maura need something - they have an outlet to speak from.
ron
evidence has not been presented so far.
what evidence do you speak of?
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Going to wait until the trial. See what comes out then.
My sincerest condolences for melissa's family, this has got to be getting very exhausting for them.
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grissom........hahahahahahaaaaaaaa ;D
What's with the baseball reference?
Hey Slip or Shawn, explain para me, por favor.
Yo soy Sueco, y as normal, no tengo clue, OK?
YIP
Zack
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Shockandawe,
I have no problem with your post. Being impartial and objective – that is extremely hard to do in this type of case – and if I haven’t been, please tell me where. You have already placed Craig & Kelly as murderers – are you the judge and jury also? I read all of the evidence so far – circumstantial or not. I have my views, of course. But you nor anyone else knows all of the facts yet. I sure don’t.
Ron
Simple fact is that, both suspects have been denied bail; also, the seriousness of Kelly's charges being upgraded. Unmentioned or not, the proofs held, are enough for the judge to deny them bail.
You don't have to be a judge to figure this out. And, If you're not bias on this case, you'd be a perfect jury candidate.
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Ron
While I am not attacking you personally, I need you to understand something of the principle of bias here:
These two, AFTER ALL, have been the ones accused of a crime that is almost unimaginable, so I don't think it's out of line to - God forbid - point a speculative finger or two, given that the crime scene was their home, MJ's body was bound and gagged and thrown in the trunk (to be disposed of like trash) in the trunk of Kelly's car...they fled...there was an affair...Craig's history, etc...
Is it possible they aren't guilty? Ummmm... no. SORRY. But that's my opinion... this is an opinion-based board, isn't it? Is it possible they might skate free? Sure. That's much more likely than the answer to "did they do it?" being negative! Hell, OJ did it, and we can all safely say after watching the damning evidence that wasn't admissable, the DNA technology that wasn't yet evolved, the overall poor prosecution of the case, and the strategically poor jury selection, that it's highly likely OJ actually DID slice his wife's neck nearly clean through, despite the verdict.
Verdicts are NO PROOF of innocence, btw, just as you say allegations are NO PROOF of guilt.
As for the interviewing opportunities, and your ability to supposedly just "get one" ... Well, good luck with that. These aren't bb's, they are real people, and they aren't looking for sensational handling or publicity. Typically, people who have suffered hardship need to trust someone. But that's my opinion. And no, I want no part of an interview with them... just to help them create opportunities whereby travel expenses and all of the crap they're going to have to deal with is taken care of.
And no, I don't know you. But objectively speaking and interestingly enough, as this was the first time I HAD talked to you, and really spent any time on your board, my first impression was that you were interested in how this has helped your board, and whether someone had beat you to the punch in the interview. So, look at it from my perspective, or from the perspective of anyone who reads this stuff and comments: You do appear bias 9 times out of 10 and often appear to have some kind of agenda. I'm not alone in saying it. I just know you are not open to having yourself "read back to you" about it - no way, no how. If you were, you would have replied differently. Be who you are, by all means, but be honest about it.
And for the record... Just as I don't know you, you don't know me either, Ron. And maybe this is harsh, but frankly, I don't "live where you do" in terms of using a relationship with someone to garner an interview. I've interviewed hundreds of people in 17 years - even Titus from his last jail cell - and it's really not a big deal for me. It's fun at the time when it's someone as colorful as Titus, and the offense is drug related and not murder, I'll admit. But in this case, I don't want any part of it. If you want to know the truth, I wouldn't want to have to feel all of the feelings that this has brought up for ME in this situation, all over again. It's been difficult enough.
This just seems to be so out of perspective for you, and possibly others... There are no Pulitzer prizes given for bodybuilding journalism, nor mention in TIME or NEWSWEEK for a probing back and forth - not for me, for you, for LT, or for anyone -ever. And you're forgetting that no one in the mainstream gives a crap about C&K or anyone else in bodybuilding, other than maybe Arnold (and even he's a joke these days), so it isn't as though it's some big COUP to actually secure an interview...just a way to feel important in a microcosmic industry. I've been guilty of feeling that in the first years, but haven't for a long, long time. In fact, in my last 7 or 8 month journalistic exchange with Titus, I felt my life was in danger, so it really ceased to be fun, to be honest with you.
Bottom line, I actually happen to really want to help Maura and Christopher, and despite my strained relations with C&K since 2000, I am also not doing it out of some misguided vendetta or to slam them. That's why I know my motives are pure. I feel no hatred, nor do I feel any need to be someone's savior. I just want to do what I can...however small or large that may become.
I believe by my posts you can see that I once really cared a great deal about Kelly, and to some extent, even Craig at times. Don't you think it's hard for someone to consider that someone who was once a great friend actually did this? I don't know if this stuff is just news to you or not, since I am not going to assign you a verdict. But just so you know, to me, this is actually having to reflect upon the fact that I knew someone who was once a vivacious, fun person, who has degenerated into something unfortunate, sad, grim, and heinous, and has lost what was once a beautiful life. Maybe that's how I see MJ and wanting to help, too.
I actually wanted to help the family because I know that I can. I raise funds for a living and run a large non-profit. Since doing less in bodybuilding mags, I actually have grown to care a little bit more about my fellow man, too, which is nice - since it's easy to get caught up in this world. (Ask Shawn about that, given that he has also done a great deal for charity and is a good fundraiser in his own right).
So, all I can do is speak for myself, and the truth is: I thought long and hard about my motives, FYI, before ever making contact with MJ's family. I know my own motives are pure. Ron, all that matters in this life is that you know that yours are pure at any given juncture.
I just know that I asked you for a small amount of your help because it would have been easy to give me what I asked for, and would have saved me time... Yet, you still haven't helped. I even said, "Hey, I understand if you don't want to help, for whatever reason, just let me know." and you said, "No, I want to." but yet haven't. Sorry, but this also contributes to the overall illusion that your interests fall more along the lines of the sensational. I could be wrong and hope I am.
I have no beef with you personally, because as you say, I don't know you.. But I am entitled to my impressions, and I'm not alone in how these things were perceived - others said they wanted to barf seeing some of the things you've allowed to be in print, too, whether you have said them yourself or not. And, not a day goes by that you are not accused by someone of being biased toward those two. So, it's not just my insights.
I will renew that I just happen to find it UTTERLY REPUGNANT that someone would discuss Kelly's hair, her prison attire, or the amount of make-up she does or does not have on her face, or the grey in CT's beard, or anything else pertaining to vanity when this is just inane, insensitive fodder. It smacks of the whole PEDICURE INCIDENT... I think that said it all...along with someone "teaching dance moves" at a lube joint, within hours of probably extinguishing a life! You posted it without editing, so I just commented on it.
The fact that I have a history with both C&K doesn't make me feel more important, any more than it does in your case. So believe me when I tell you, I don't feel any kind of leg up here. It doesn't seem to be something to really boast about these days - not that it has been for years....
HOWEVER, because of history and time, I do possess a LOT of knowledge of who each of them are - both in good ways and bad. I could still list both positive and negative, despite the charges. Your allegiances with them are yours to keep and cherish. But I just would put it out there that it seems that you still live in DIRE fear that Craig would kick your ass if you didn't bow down and support him on the board. In some ways, I don't blame you.. CT can be intimidating and you wouldn't be the first to feel that way. I, myself, have felt that way.
I guess I just ask you to look at what you're saying if you are trying to say you aren't biased for any reason. All I see is you constantly "policing" the comments of others for their objectivity, in terms of validity of info and police reports.
You asked.
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Shockandawe, are you John Romano?
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I'd sooner commit suicide than hear that question again. :P
Uh, no.
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MELTDOWN :-\
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No, just calling it like I see it and bringing the real truth. There's a lot more I could have said, but out of decency, I didn't.
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Yeah..I know a few in Brighton Beach that would do it and they'd be laughing at his sad little waterworks demonstration the entire time.....
"Brighton Beach" ??? Be afraid, be very afraid ::)
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You are funny. You don’t know me. If I wanted an interview with Maura or Chris, I could of pushed it. If I wanted to go on television, MSNBC, Fox News, Geraldo, Court TV, I could of done that – ask Bob or Lonnie on those. But I choose not to. The James family deserves respect – as do the Titus and Ryan family (daughters, sisters, parents).
I know you Ron and I think you would look fabulous on a TV interview. Might have to turn up the volume & the enthusiasm a little though..
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No, just calling it like I see it and bringing the real truth. There's a lot more I could have said, but out of decency, I didn't.
just what we like a whistleblower with taste
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"Brighton Beach" ??? Be afraid, be very afraid ::)
Oh yeah!
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I aim to please! ;D
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I would like to see those court documents.
Sources have said that there was no taser gun found in the house.
Sources have said that there is no proof from the proesuctors that Melissa was tasered, and the detectives admit that.
Sources have said that Titus & Ryan did not say to anyone that they tasered Melissa.
Sources have said that the paper got it from the motion documents, which the prosecuters theories this.
What they did say is that the taser gun they found was used six times - but they don't know who used the taser gun.
I will try to find out more - and I am just being objective on this - but given the nature of that statement - would you not give some proof from the court documents instead of just declaring a statement like that.
But if yo umust know, and many people know this - a lot of these things coming out - I have known for weeks.
Right. It dosen't say where the tazer was found or who's it was. Just that a tazer was used, but on who, or by whome?
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Thanks Ron, I almost Puked but your post save the day for when I finally see what this 240 Punk looks like, then I know I'll lose my Cookies! ;D
Yes... but... at least 240 never slept with Sasha Ogata...
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Yes... but... at least 240 never slept with Sasha Ogata...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's not what He/ She said :-*
Well, He/ She did say, you guyz didn't actually SLEEP Together, guess that will come later ;D
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Saw a T-shirt on a lady in the gym today with Craig's picture on it and the following statement below it.
IT'S NOT OVER UNTIL THE FAT GUY SINGS!
I laffed and she said that I was the only one who understood it so far.
Sorry
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;D
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It has been an incredible busy days the last few weeks, but I will comment back on this before I go to the Ironman.
So, look at it from my perspective, or from the perspective of anyone who reads this stuff and comments: You do appear bias 9 times out of 10 and often appear to have some kind of agenda
Agenda – I tell you what my agenda is. My agenda is to have a place where people interested in bodybuilding and fitness can come – a place to see magazines, contest results and history, pictures, interviews, and anything related. Especially news in the bodybuilding world. And guess that – the Titus & Ryan case is big news – perhaps one of the biggest events last year and the beginning of this year. And with that – people want to know what happened. Objectively. Biased. Why? Because I would like to see statements and reports before? Hmm…
And you're forgetting that no one in the mainstream gives a crap about C&K or anyone else in bodybuilding,
Actually – I did not forget that. The site is and was always meant for people interesting in bodybuilding and fitness. Illusions of mainstream will not happen as the focus is to stay on bodybuilding and fitness.
In fact, in my last 7 or 8 month journalistic exchange with Titus, I felt my life was in danger, so it really ceased to be fun, to be honest with you.
In all the times of I have talked to Craig and Kelly, I never felt my life was in danger, and still don’t. I am sorry that you did.
and despite my strained relations with C&K since 2000, I am also not doing it out of some misguided vendetta or to slam them. That's why I know my motives are pure. I feel no hatred, nor do I feel any need to be someone's savior.
Actually, speaking to some people, you and Craig had a major falling out. why do you hate him so much?
Ron, all that matters in this life is that you know that yours are pure at any given juncture.
Balance is important in life – make sure you have it – balance between work, family, and fun.
I just know that I asked you for a small amount of your help because it would have been easy to give me what I asked for, and would have saved me time...
You asked for a confidential list and phone numbers of many people, whom I am not sure would appreciate me giving that out. You worked for a bodybuilding magazine, you have more contacts, or better yet, you could write something, and I would gladly use Getbig.com on whatever you need to help the James family, as I have done in the past.
But I am entitled to my impressions, and I'm not alone in how these things were perceived - others said they wanted to barf seeing some of the things you've allowed to be in print, too,
I am happy that I provide a forum for you, and others. If anyone wants to write something on this case, or help the James family, I am all for it. You are entitled to your opinion.
I will renew that I just happen to find it UTTERLY REPUGNANT that someone would discuss Kelly's hair… You posted it without editing, so I just commented on it.
And if you write something, and talk about whatever, I wouldn’t edit your thoughts either. Freedom of speech, whether you like it or not. And to tell you the truth, I have had many people tell me that the writer who wrote that gave an excellent representation of what happened at the courtroom.
HOWEVER, because of history and time, I do possess a LOT of knowledge of who each of them are - both in good ways and bad. I could still list both positive and negative, despite the charges.
I would welcome it both ways. I have talked to many people who have had many stories. You are welcome to put up whatever you want, and I won’t edit it on Craig, Kelly or whatever you wish.
Your allegiances with them are yours to keep and cherish. But I just would put it out there that it seems that you still live in DIRE fear that Craig would kick your ass if you didn't bow down and support him on the board.
Once again, I find this comment quite funny. In all the times I have talked to Craig or was with him, I have never felt fear that he would kick my ass. Where did you ever get that…
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Yes – it is a murder. No question on that.
Whooooaaaaa.
Anyone arguing that you (Ron) are trying to be C&K's houseboy needs to read and absorb that statement. If there was any 'sucking up' going on, you would not have said that until it was proven in court.
About the taser, just because it was discharged 6 times, that doesn't mean it was used to incapacitate anyone. Can one of you who has used this device before describe how sensitive the trigger is?
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If there was any 'sucking up' going on, you would not have said that until it was proven in court.
I am pretty sure it was murder. Unless somehow Melissa can drive herself gagged and tied up and still be able to pour and ignite herself with lighter fluid, oh and all from the trunk then I would have to say it is murder. Just a wild guess.
About the taser, just because it was discharged 6 times, that doesn't mean it was used to incapacitate anyone. Can one of you who has used this device before describe how sensitive the trigger is?
I'm pretty sure you don't a taser for anything else but to incapacitate someone. That is what it is made for. They don't make good fly swatters, or for target practice. They don't explode things when they hit it. Basicallyyou shoot the thing into someone and watch them fall to the ground and twitch. And I am pretty sure the trigger isn't so sensitive that it is a hair trigger
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I like to taser myself in the morning since I gave up caffeine....
no more jolt of coffee...just a 50,000 VOLT JOLT.....maybe that's what Craig was doing??
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So an air taser gun cannot hurt someone???
HOW DOES AN AIR TASER WORK? Upon firing, compressed nitrogen projects two AIR TASER probes 15 feet at a speed of 135 feet per second. An electrical signal transmits throughout the region where the probes make contact with the body or clothing. The result is an instant loss of the attacker’’s neuromuscular control and any ability to perform coordinated action. AIR TASER uses an automatic timing mechanism to apply the electric charge. The TASER releases an electric current in a pre-set time sequence (an initial seven seconds followed by several 1.8 second breaks for a total time of about 30 seconds in each cycle). This cycle ensures that the nervous system of the target does not recover instantly to allow him to remove the probes. The follow-on bursts disrupt the process of re-equilibration of the nervous system. While the target is disabled, the user can place the device on the ground andescape.
HOW CAN THE AIR TASER BE SO EFFECTIVE YET NON-INJURIOUS? The AIR TASER does not depend upon impact or body penetration to achieve its effect. Its pulsating electrical output interferes with communication between the brain and the muscular system, resulting in loss of control. However, the AIR TASER is non-destructive to nerves, muscles and other body elements. It simply affects them in their natural mode. No deaths have ever been directly attributed to the TASER.
WHAT HAS TESTING REVEALED REGARDING THE AIR TASER? Anesthesiologist and specialist in medical electronics, Dr. Frank Summers, MD of St. Joseph’’s Hospital, Orange, California, directed tests of volunteers at St. Joseph’’s in 1971 and 1974. Dr. Summers stated, "...We undertook this [volunteer test] in the operating rooms at St. Joseph’’s Hospital. We had an assembly of cardiovascular surgeons, cardiologists... we had a real [TASER]. We tested extensively and made movies. The tests were impressive. We monitored all parameters of physiology, including
electrocardiographs. The tests did not produce any lethal effects and we found that the background work that had been done did indeed pan out in practice."
DOES THE TASER AFFECT THE HEART OR A PACEMAKER? The AIR TASER’s output is well below the level established as "safe" by the federal government in approving such devices as the electrified cattle fence. In a medical study of the Model XR 5000ÔÔ electronic stun gun, Dr. Robert Stratbucker Nebraska University Medical Center confirms that the T-Wave does not interrupt the heartbeat or damage a pacemaker. A modern pacemaker is designed to withstand electrical defibrillator pulses that are hundreds of times stronger than the AIR TASER’’s output. The AIR TASER current of 0.3 joules is well below the 10-50 joule threshold above which cardiac ventricular fibrillation can occur. High voltage, in itself, is not dangerous. One can receive a 25,000-volt shock of static electricity from a doorknob on a dry day without harm.
The physiological effect of electrical shock is determined by: the current, its duration, and the power source that produces the shock. The typical household current of 110 volts is dangerous because it can pump many amperes of current throughout the body indefinitely. The AIR TASER power supply consists of an alkaline 9-Volt battery capable of supplying less than 3 watts of electrical power for a few minutes.
WILL THE TASER CAUSE ELECTROCUTION? No. The output is metered by the electronics and the electrical energy in each pulse is always the same, regardless of the target condition. The electrical output will not be transferred from one person to another even if they touch. AIR TASER, Inc.’s president has been stunned by an AIR TASER while standing in water to emphasize this point.
WHAT ARE THE AFTER EFFECTS? A person hit with an AIR TASER will feel dazed for several minutes. The pulsating electrical output causes involuntary muscle contractions and a resulting sense of vertigo. It can momentarily stun or render an attacker unconscious. AIR TASER’’s low electrical amperage and short duration of pulsating current, ensures a non-lethal charge. It does not cause permanent damage or long-term effects to muscles, nerves or other body functions. A January 1987 Annals of Emergency Medicine study reported TASER technology leaves no long term injuries compared with 50% long term injuries for gun shot injuries.
MUST THE PROBES PENETRATE THE BODY TO BE EFFECTIVE? No. The electrical current will"jump" up to two inches as long as both probes are attached to clothing or skin. At most, only the 3/8-inch needlepoint will penetrate the skin. They have less energy than a spring propelled BB.
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some newsreader on MSNBC rick sanchez volunteered to get tased on videotape for a broadcast. his reflexes jolted with a single tase.
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are 240 and ron the same person? maybe it's been said before but they share the same C&K crap. and the sites are very similar
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Ron is one of those people who praises along side the "emperor's new clothes". Then, will speak against the ridiculousness, after the damage is done; with a list of facts to support his views only.
He secretly plays detective; only to prove the facts against anyone, later. Just watch, regardless of the out come of the C&K case; he'll have an independent conclusion out from his sleeve, in support of the verdict. It's a clever tactic, but not cutting-edge. Great writing he provides for the site; but he's careful of how much information he writes about. For the C&K case, right now: he saving up amo' for later. He'll even bring back the topic and credit himself for helping out the James' legal fund.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks, he still has the right to his own beliefs and to be vocal about them. He's the guy who runs the show here and if people really don't like what he has to say, they have the right to leave.
No one other than Craig and Kelly knows what their role in this was. Ron has made a public forum where people can put up their two-cents about a topic that has an huge impact on an industry that we are all either interested in.
Of course the James family deserves condolences, but don't hammer on a guy for doing what he feels is best to get (and help other people get) an overall view of something that has not developed to a point where anyone can draw a firm conclusion.
Ron is one of those people who praises along side the "emperor's new clothes". Then, will speak against the ridiculousness, after the damage is done; with a list of facts to support his views only.
He secretly plays detective; only to prove the facts against anyone, later. Just watch, regardless of the out come of the C&K case; he'll have an independent conclusion out from his sleeve, in support of the verdict. It's a clever tactic, but not cutting-edge. Great writing he provides for the site; but he's careful of how much information he writes about. For the C&K case, right now: he saving up amo' for later. He'll even bring back the topic and credit himself for helping out the James' legal fund.
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Ron is one of those people who praises along side the "emperor's new clothes". Then, will speak against the ridiculousness, after the damage is done; with a list of facts to support his views only. He secretly plays detective; only to prove the facts against anyone, later. Just watch, regardless of the out come of the C&K case; he'll have an independent conclusion out from his sleeve, in support of the verdict. It's a clever tactic, but not cutting-edge. Great writing he provides for the site; but he's careful of how much information he writes about. For the C&K case, right now: he saving up amo' for later. He'll even bring back the topic and credit himself for helping out the James' legal fund.
Well - ok. Secretly playing detective is the same for me as trying to get all of the facts for you guys to decide. As for having an independent conclusion - yes, I will, that is my opinion, as well as you can have one too on the case. As for other stories in C&K, yes, that is true too (it isn't the only thing in bodybuildin). And as for the James Legal Fund, if I help them with a check, there is no problem there, is there? But taking credit for it. No - I don't take credit for anything that isn't mine.
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very well said Ron .... ;)
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Thank you for responding Ron.
I like the info and all the journalism you provide, for us viewers. It's difficult to comprehend someone as intelligent as yourself, bringing forth a collection of information of facts, and not have a conclusion; or state an educated-guess with facts that you have gattherred. Even when the facts support a guilty verdict.
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Talk about a meltdown... Sheesh!! :P
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How does Taser International know how many times & what time the taser was discharged? I zapped myself once with a stun-gun(when I was I cop, required) & I can tell you ,it is not fun, makes your joints esp the elbows & knees hurt like a MF'er afterwards. But I was unaware that it had a tracking device in it.Once was enough, doing it 6 times sounds like pure rage.
why is that required?
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