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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => The Getbiggers Board - The Lounge => Topic started by: Nick Danger on September 01, 2014, 08:17:46 AM
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You are an attractive late 40ish woman...
Stop with your insecurities, you can't compete with picures of much younger women so give it a break.
Stop hijacking threads, stop posting about your personal life and stop making everything about yourself.
I'm sure there are plenty of sites geared towards hot older women where they would appreciate your nude or revealing pictures.
I don't usually post negative remarks but you're getting out of hand...
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Are there things?
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So you're basically asking her to stop being a woman?
She already went through the turn-into-a-psycho phase, there's no reversing that.
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Another gimmick, yawn...
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Another gimmick, yawn...
but his name is "nick danger"
can't be a gimmick!
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OP is right. I never understood all the hate for her but her antics on the icloud hack thread are plain embarrassing.
Surely there are dating forums?
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How old is she btw?
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Is it possible for her to hijack this thread, I mean as it's about her? ???
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Why is everyone on this woman's case?
Is there bad blood here?
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Why is everyone on this woman's case?
Is there bad blood here?
Period blood. From getting screwed.
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Period blood. From getting screwed.
not even a clever post
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Maybe Ron can open a sub board "50+" for Booty, Basile and Dick guy...
...tha Illuminati changed my post! :'(
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Why is everyone on this woman's case?
Is there bad blood here?
Not really sure but I think one explanation is "it's what we do here".
It seems as if everyone has a feud with someone and Booty being one of the few women here is surely an attractive target (comedic and psychoanalytical pun intended).
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she should rename herself tits
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Chillidogs are quite "the tits" over in Queensland.
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she should be banned for shit posting
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Not really sure but I think one explanation is "it's what we do here".
It seems as if everyone has a feud with someone and Booty being one of the few women here is surely an attractive target (comedic and psychoanalytical pun intended).
Its because shes getbig equivalent of the decent looking but horrendously stupid slut from high school that had lots of male attention for a while, but then she gained 20 lbs and couldnt understand why people suddenly got tired of listening to her voice.
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Kill witch with tomahawk missile
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Chillidogs are quite "the tits" over in Queensland.
Hahah
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Chillidogs are quite "the tits" over in Queensland.
Ron just confirmed on breaking CNN news update that they're fair dinkum
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Its because shes getbig equivalent of the decent looking but horrendously stupid slut from high school that had lots of male attention for a while, but then she gained 20 lbs and couldnt understand why people suddenly got tired of listening to her voice.
good point
maybe she should be banned until she loses weight?
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she cant win
people call her fat she posts a pic
20 gimmicks accounts come out the woodwork and attack her for making the thread about her
how many times do certain male members shoehorn their pics into threads
and not a word is said
epic double standards from the women hating latent homosexuals on here
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she cant win
people call her fat she posts a pic
20 gimmicks accounts come out the woodwork and attack her for making the thread about her
how many times do certain male members shoehorn their pics into threads
and not a word is said
epic double standards from the women hating latent homosexuals on here
Im ashamed of all the white knighting from all the British members, the whole UK board has become an embarrassment
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Like I said, I find her attractive...
Being a friend of hers, maybe you can point out that she's getting worse.
I'm sure she's a nice woman...
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Im ashamed of all the white knighting from all the British members, the whole UK board has become an embarrassment
dont post there then
problem solved
its not like you are bitter becuase cyp makes you his bitch everytime you post :)
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she cant win
people call her fat she posts a pic
20 gimmicks accounts come out the woodwork and attack her for making the thread about her
how many times do certain male members shoehorn their pics into threads
and not a word is said
epic double standards from the women hating latent homosexuals on here
Partially agreed.
At least two angles to every Kurt.
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dont post there then
problem solved
its not like you are bitter becuase cyp makes you his bitch everytime you post :)
I don't, I stopped a while ago, Bigcyp just bores me now, his jokes are stale and he jumped the shark when he posted threatening Ron he'd leave if Shizzo and junior didn't get banned.Embarrassing Narcissism.
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I don't, I stopped a while ago, Bigcyp just bores me now, his jokes are stale and he jumped the shark when he posted threatening Ron he'd leave if Shizzo and junior didn't get banned.Embarrassing Narcissism.
i hadnt noticed
maybe you should stop whining about it like a little bitch too
your main contribution on here is posting fake pics of yourself and videos from other sites
hardly a cv to be proud of
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i hadnt noticed
maybe you should stop whining about it like a little bitch too
your main contribution on here is posting fake pics of yourself and videos from other sites
hardly a cv to be proud of
You forget I was the main photoshopper on here for years, along with making funny videos and owning tits.Ive mellowed and now just an happy posting funny or interesting things I read for other to enjoy.Dont forget I registered the same day as you, and went under a different name for 6 years.
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You forget I was the main photoshopper on here for years, along with making funny videos and owning tits.Ive mellowed and now just an happy posting funny or interesting things I read for other to enjoy.Dont forget I registered the same day as you, and went under a different name for 6 years.
Yes, ive always been a fan. Werent you db132482.693729 in a previous life?
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You forget I was the main photoshopper on here for years, along with making funny videos and owning tits.Ive mellowed and now just an happy posting funny or interesting things I read for other to enjoy.Dont forget I registered the same day as you, and went under a different name for 6 years.
What was your previous handle
You seem to get pissed off now
When you used to roll with the punches
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What was your previous handle
You seem to get pissed off now
When you used to roll with the punches
::)
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::)
Team a23 not so much :-*
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she cant win
people call her fat she posts a pic
20 gimmicks accounts come out the woodwork and attack her for making the thread about her
how many times do certain male members shoehorn their pics into threads
and not a word is said
epic double standards from the women hating latent homosexuals on here
because when fat fucking retards call me out ... and I post a pic..it shows that I haven't aged a fucking day and I'm in just as good a shape as I've ever been. And I post one pic and leave it at that. I own them and make them eat their words.
Booty posts 10 year old pics, or pics where shes as wide as a hippo and her face look like a Kabuki doll, and argues how good she still is.
I back my shit up
Shes a fucking joke.
There is no comparison, besides we are similar in age
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She has better Tits than you
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She has better Tits than you
You really want to go there ;)
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You really want to go there ;)
What her Tits
I'd have a go on them
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What her Tits
I'd have a go on them
Dont like silicone.
Just paint a nipple on a volleyball, same thing
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Dont like silicone.
Just paint a nipple on a volleyball, same thing
Each to their own
It just surprises me how Fucked off you get with her
It's not like you
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Each to their own
It just surprises me how Fucked off you get with her
It's not like you
Like its just me. Half the board cant stand and attack her worse thanI do
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Like its just me. Half the board cant stand and attack her worse thanI do
ChopperRider.....table for one.
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The UK board is an example of how getbig should be. Break the rules (in this example, be a crotchstain) and you are silenced. Enough of this "TimeOut" bullshit.
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The UK board is an example of how getbig should be. Break the rules (in this example, be a crotchstain) and you are silenced. Enough of this "TimeOut" bullshit.
The U.K. subforum......reeks of bed wetting and phaggotry.
A bunch of penis puffers trying to get in booty's size 48 waist pants.
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The U.K. subforum......reeks of bed wetting and phaggotry.
A bunch of penis puffers trying to get in booty's size 48 waist pants.
Perhaps (I don't really read it often), I just like how it's the only place evidently on getbig where banning (essentially) is instituted.
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Face looks like a kabuki doll......hahahahahaha
The only thing I will say, is at the end of the day, I do not hate anyone here.
I am obviously only speaking for myself.
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The U.K. subforum......reeks of bed wetting and phaggotry.
A bunch of penis puffers trying to get in booty's size 48 waist pants.
No Shizxo and no gimmicks
End of argument
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No Shizxo and no gimmicks
End of argument
True dat, brother 8)
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The U.K. subforum......reeks of bed wetting and phaggotry.
A bunch of penis puffers trying to get in booty's size 48 waist pants.
yep. it is sad indeed.
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Sickening how she attempted to take over the celebrity iCloud thread.
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The Uk board is a quality subforum for what it is(i.e censored) but the G&O will always be the king of Getbig.
But respect to the Uk subforum creators for the shizzo free vision they have conceptualized into our reality.
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What a lot of people don't seem to get is Booty likes to troll like all true getbiggers.
They completely miss it. She gets you guys suckered in every time.
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Wolfox is bigmc.
Now it all makes sense.
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Wolfox is bigmc.
Now it all makes sense.
Meltdown.
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Wolfox is bigmc.
Now it all makes sense.
Does it
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yep. it is sad indeed.
Wtf happened to you
Get the stay positive shit going again
You are better than this :)
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What a lot of people don't seem to get is Booty likes to troll like all true getbiggers.
They completely miss it. She gets you guys suckered in every time.
I hear you. I guess trolling getbig is more valuable to her than her self respect. The woman posts pics of her vagina and brags how "tight" she is. ::)
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Shitzo is just mad that he can't post on the cool kids subforum.
He mad.
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I hear you. I guess trolling getbig is more valuable to her than her self respect. The woman posts pics of her vagina and brags how "tight" she is. ::)
I just don't see how getbig and self respect can intermingle.
We're all a bunch of misfits here.
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Does it
Sure it does. When I posted your pic, you then pmed me as Wolfox asking where I got the pic from, and then kept asking me to give him all the info I had on you.
I told him that I had nothing and that I didnt do that shit.
Remember folks, this is supposedly the same Wolfox that Bigmc hated and that bigcyp said that he wanted gone.
So why would a guy like that be allowed on the UK board?
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Oh and you can add Donny to that list as well. Bigmc used to have 20 page threads arguing with Donny the " panty sniffer."
Now its suddenly all good right? ::)
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Sure it does. When I posted your pic, you then pmed me as Wolfox asking where I got the pic from, and then kept asking me to give him all the info I had on you.
I told him that I had nothing and that I didnt do that shit.
Remember folks, this is supposedly the same Wolfox that Bigmc hated and that bigcyp said that he wanted gone.
So why would a guy like that be allowed on the UK board?
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Oh and you can add Donny to that list as well. Bigmc used to have 20 page threads arguing with Donny the " panty sniffer."
Now its suddenly all good right? ::)
I guess he is simple simon too ::)
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Sure it does. When I posted your pic, you then pmed me as Wolfox asking where I got the pic from, and then kept asking me to give him all the info I had on you.
I told him that I had nothing and that I didnt do that shit.
Remember folks, this is supposedly the same Wolfox that Bigmc hated and that bigcyp said that he wanted gone.
So why would a guy like that be allowed on the UK board?
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Oh and you can add Donny to that list as well. Bigmc used to have 20 page threads arguing with Donny the " panty sniffer."
Now its suddenly all good right? ::)
You look way to far into this shit, trying to make connections that arent there.
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Drunktard conspiracy theory in effect.
Shitzo can't comprehend how men could put their past differences behind them and move on.
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You look way to far into this shit, trying to make connections that arent there.
This
You couldn't make it up
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This
You couldn't make it up
Then why have you never mended the fences with me? Those guys (supposedly) called gyms, found your guitar videos (which seems odd ;)) and tried to dig up info on you.
At one point you hated both of them. Now you say that you have moved on with them.
Why can't you move on with me?
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Then why have you never mended the fences with me? Those guys (supposedly) called gyms, found your guitar videos (which seems odd ;)) and tried to dig up info on you.
At one point you hated both of them. Now you say that you have moved on with them.
Why can't you move on with me?
Because you ruin the forum
With your drunken crap
I genuinely think you are the worst poster ever on here
You should take a leaf out of wolfox book
He is way better since coming back
With you it's the same endless circle of shit
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Then why have you never mended the fences with me? Those guys (supposedly) called gyms, found your guitar videos (which seems odd ;)) and tried to dig up info on you.
At one point you hated both of them. Now you say that you have moved on with them.
Why can't you move on with me?
Because you're a retard. You post the dumbest shit on the boards. "We look
the same in a T shirt" . And you think you're actually getting to people when they brutally ridicule your stupidity.
I couldn't even explain you to someone who wasnt on this board, you're such an imbecile
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Because you're a retard. You post the dumbest shit on the boards. "We look
the same in a T shirt" . And you think you're actually getting to people when they brutally ridicule your stupidity.
I couldn't even explain you to someone who wasnt on this board, you're such an imbecile
I don't get what you are trying to say. I passed math class in school. Am I taller? Yes Do I weigh more then you? Yes. by 30 pounds (not sloppy either)
So I am being generous when I say we look the same with a shirt on. I probably would dwarf you.
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groink
booty
old egomaniacs
desperate to
relive their youth
doing it on the
internet in real
life nobody
acknowledges them
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I don't get what you are trying to say. I passed math class in school. Am I taller? Yes Do I weigh more then you? Yes. by 30 pounds (not sloppy either)
So I am being generous when I say we look the same with a shirt on. I probably would dwarf you.
Not sloppy....keep telling yourself that.
You look like a pear filled with semen
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groink
booty
old egomaniacs
desperate to
relive their youth
doing it on the
internet in real
life nobody
acknowledges them
I see someone fired up the useless "maddy" account.
Pro tip :
Nobody gives a fuck what some anonymous ball licker thinks
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groink
if you could
lick your little
tiny steroid balls
you would
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Not sloppy....keep telling yourself that.
You look like a pear filled with semen
Hahahahahahahaaha
Don't you get it by now? It's all jokes my friend. Fuck! lighten up!
Seriously, people are spot on when they say you are the male version of Booty. Booty has thicker skin though. She gets called horrible names (alot come from you) and she does not melt the way you do.
I call you missile tits, and you wish me dead.
Lighten up old man.
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groink
if you could
lick your little
tiny steroid balls
you would
Thought never crossed my mind
Apparently its some great pleasure in yours though, queer
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Hahahahahahahaaha
Don't you get it by now? It's all jokes my friend. Fuck! lighten up!
Seriously, people are spot on when they say you are the male version of Booty. Booty has thicker skin though. She gets called horrible names (alot come from you) and she does not melt the way you do.
I call you missile tits, and you wish me dead.
Lighten up old man.
But you do look like a pear filled with semen.
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But you do look like a pear filled with semen.
That is why I laughed. It was fucking funny.
Ask yourself why someone would post a shirtless pic looking like that?
I don't care. I know in my heart I will get into shape again. People go through ruts.
Perfect example: Where the fuck is Wes? :-\
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That whore is getting fat and her face starts to look like of an "older lady", what do you expect. She hate that and finding a few drooling slobs keeps her self worth somewhat above the critical level.
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It is important for a woman to be a good person on the inside, because looks go downhill around age 50 or so.
But character is far more permanent.
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That whore is getting fat and her face starts to look like of an "older lady", what do you expect. She hate that and finding a few drooling slobs keeps her self worth somewhat above the critical level.
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she cant win
people call her fat she posts a pic
20 gimmicks accounts come out the woodwork and attack her for making the thread about her
how many times do certain male members shoehorn their pics into threads
and not a word is said
epic double standards from the women hating latent homosexuals on here
I can't say it any better than you already have bigmc!
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It is important for a woman to be a good person on the inside, because looks go downhill around age 50 or so.
But character is far more permanent.
How old are you chad?
How does it feel to impersonate a woman on the internet...
What drives a man to do such a thing.
Hatred? Rejection? Jealousy? Self hatred?
Please elaborate on your condition.
I'm all ears
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*hot* women don't weigh 150lbs
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My conclusion after skimming through this thread. Groink and Booty, get a room already!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=548164.0;attach=577131;image)
Exactly, just proves my point. Sunken in eyes, a weird area around mounth (looks like you went under a knife already, but it didn't turn out well), fillers or some shit in the middle of the cheeks (overdone) and a crazy cougar look in the eyes. Excess weight doesn't help (bloats the face even more).
Well done :-X
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Booty's smile =
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090812212211/uncyclopedia/images/8/8a/Joker_smile.jpg)
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Booty's smile =
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090812212211/uncyclopedia/images/8/8a/Joker_smile.jpg)
I am not smiling in the pic with the blue dress. It was a pout. This is me smiling!
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you guys are nuts. booty all day and twice sunday.
appreciates a guy who takes the time to build a physique an experienced enough to know how to put him to use.
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More pics of booty woman
Ignore "hereforthesemen", that's just a homo.
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cocks up the shitter openly craving the penis in this thread
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No. The pic in the blue dress is an epic duckface. Now that there is a thread for all your selfies, can you just keep them here?
Duck face/ pout... Who cares, everyone does duck faces. And No I can't keep my selfies all here. I am sure sometime in some thread Groink will post his selfie and dare me to post mine.
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you guys are nuts. booty all day and twice sunday.
appreciates a guy who takes the time to build a physique an experienced enough to know how to put him to use.
And I do put a man to good use! :D
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I am not smiling in the pic with the blue dress. It was a pout. This is me smiling!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=548164.0;attach=577142;image)
That is a nice picture actually.
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That is a nice picture actually.
yes the smile beats the pout
worst thing that women ever introduced was the selfie pout
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I wonder what Getbig would be like without the women? Not many can endure the crap dished out by the heroes here.
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I wonder what Getbig would be like without the women? Not many can endure the crap dished out by the heroes here.
Man age hit her hard.
New pics look like shes had some botched plastic surgery on her upper lip/lower nose area.
Yikes.
Oh well, women age like cheese anyway, father time bitch slaps them hard.
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Man age hit her hard.
New pics look like shes had some botched plastic surgery on her upper lip/lower nose area.
Yikes.
Oh well, women age like cheese anyway, father time bitch slaps them hard.
The allegations of all the plastic surgery are just an excuse on your part to rag on me.
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Exactly, just proves my point. Sunken in eyes, a weird area around mounth (looks like you went under a knife already, but it didn't turn out well), fillers or some shit in the middle of the cheeks (overdone) and a crazy cougar look in the eyes. Excess weight doesn't help (bloats the face even more).
Well done :-X
That is a strange picture
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Booty is actually photogenic. The photo with Dennis was too dark so I tried to bring out more detail. Not many women keep their good looks approaching 50.
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Booty is actually photogenic. The photo with Dennis was too dark so I tried to bring out more detail. Not many women keep their good looks approaching 50.
The photo was taken with the light behind me. You did a good job lightening it.
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The allegations of all the plastic surgery are just an excuse on your part to rag on me.
Dont give a shit whether you actually got plastic surgery or not.
It very clearly looks like bad plastic surgery, nose and lip has gotten that weird 'altered' look.
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Wouldnt it be nice if all the guys throwing insults at Booty posted pictures of their current wives/girlfriends.
They must be dating supermodels to have such overwhealmingly high standards.
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Wouldnt it be nice if all the guys throwing insults at Booty posted pictures of their current wives/girlfriends.
They must be dating supermodels to have such overwhealmingly high standards.
good point
seems everyone is banging tens on get big
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good point
seems everyone is banging tens on get big
Eh, my wifes a 22yr old legit 8.5-9 now (depending on taste).... and her pics have been posted before a couple times. However, they will never be again as some facebook strangers emerged which resulted in her deleting her facebook acct altogether.
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Eh, my wifes a 22yr old legit 8.5-9 now (depending on taste).... and her pics have been posted before a couple times. However, they will never be again as some facebook strangers emerged which resulted in her deleting her facebook acct altogether.
there are some creepy fuckers on here brother
no doubt about it
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booty likes cake
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would not hesitate to DP Booty with Goodrum. Of course Goodrum gets the stink.
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OH GAWD
...too many threads are made on multiple sites about this horseface over the years.
Not cool man, nawt kool.
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there are some creepy fuckers on here brother
no doubt about it
I've been tempted to post a pic of my wife in the past, and then my brain kicked in last minute :-X
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I've been tempted to post a pic of my wife in the past, and then my brain kicked in last minute :-X
Why are you afraid to post her picture if she looks good we will give her props.
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I've been tempted to post a pic of my wife in the past, and then my brain kicked in last minute :-X
Yeah, not advised.
I neglected to strip EXIF data.... so that probably made it easier... but still, theyre prettt goddamn good e-detectives out there.
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Why are you afraid to post her picture if she looks good we will give her props.
Nobody cares what you think, gaybo mcgayner. You manfucking sphincter ramming faggesha gimmick.
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I've been tempted to post a pic of my wife in the past, and then my brain kicked in last minute :-X
pm me one and il vouch for her
no doubt she is world class 8)
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You are an attractive late 40ish woman...
Stop with your insecurities, you can't compete with picures of much younger women so give it a break.
Stop hijacking threads, stop posting about your personal life and stop making everything about yourself.
I'm sure there are plenty of sites geared towards hot older women where they would appreciate your nude or revealing pictures.
I don't usually post negative remarks but you're getting out of hand...
Please STFU, I love seeing her pics and would rather hear from her, then most of the other gaywads (like me) who post here :D
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Homo "Nick Danger" is jealous of all the attention she is getting.
(http://i.imgur.com/UUuIJNV.png)
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Groink can't stand booty and would much rather avoid her, but he clicks on a thread titled "Message to Booty woman", tho
Worst habits are easiest kept... you
... are a slave, Groink ;D
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Groink can't stand booty and would much rather avoid her, but he clicks on a thread titled "Message to Booty woman", tho
Worst habits are easiest kept... you
... are a slave, Groink ;D
Yeah, I ain't buyin the "Groink hates booty" bit. No offense to Groink, but I've seen my friends do this stuff repeatedly over the years.
Much like poker, if a guy is talkin a big game he's got no hand. If guy is tight lipped and quiet he has a hand. If a guy treats a woman like dirt he wants her badly. If a guy is nice to a woman he has no interest.
Young boy pushes a girl he likes her....that simple LOL.
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Yeah, I ain't buyin the "Groink hates booty" bit. No offense to Groink, but I've seen my friends do this stuff repeatedly over the years.
Much like poker, if a guy is talkin a big game he's got no hand. If guy is tight lipped and quiet he has a hand. If a guy treats a woman like dirt he wants her badly. If a guy is nice to a woman he has no interest.
That simple LOL.
Trust me, man. I know how it feels to want to have hot sex with a woman and at the same time wanting to tie her up against a pole and rip off her toes and fingers with pliers.
But I genuinely believe groink doesn't want booty, tho. But I know what you meant.
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Booty woman owns peoples minds.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=548164.0;attach=577142
The pic of booty smiling, Do the haters seriously think she is unattractive in that pic
If they didnt know her from this site and saw that pic somewhere else chances are
they would be saying she's hot., Regardless of her age.
It's not like 40 is old, well only to the under 16's who post.
Granted she may not be to every man's taste, But she is a long way from being ugly.
How she stay's around this place amazes me, considering all the verbal abuse from
some. A lot of us are pleased she does stay.
And i hope she carries on annoying the hell out of her haters.
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Message to Booty Magic Woman
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Message to booty woman from booty man
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Bootys corn is welcome in my mouth.
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Message to Booty from Booty Bubblebutt
Bubba Brrr
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Booty woman owns peoples minds.
It sure seems that way.
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Wolfox is bigmc.
Now it all makes sense.
It's simple. Everyone is a gimmick, which means there are really only four for five actual members with dozens upon dozens of fake accounts. Thus, only four or five guys here really hate me, 'cause the rest are all gimmicks of those same guys. Much easier to accept this than the fact that dozens upon dozens of actual people really hate you.
At least that's what my chaos account thinks.
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Booty, BigMC called. He said your left your horse's dentures on his nightstand. The man loves a gum tip rub.
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Booty, BigMC called. He said your left your horse's dentures on his nightstand. The man loves a gum tip rub.
Alex you are on a roll today. ::)
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Alex you are on a roll today. ::)
Actually, Vuarnet 1989 swimsuit collection called, they want that top back. Hold on getting another call....
... never mind, they said burn that shit offshore and asap.
HairExtentionsDepot/RepoSpeed.
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Actually, Vuarnet 1989 swimsuit collection called, they want that top back. Hold on getting another call....
... never mind, they said burn that shit offshore and asap.
HairExtentionsDepot/RepoSpeed.
It's Lorna Jane crop top. You don't know much about fashion. This blue is all in. As for my hair... It's not even that long. I have never done hair extensions and never will as I have nice hair already. But keep giving me attention Alex... I quite enjoy it!
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It's Lorna Jane crop top. You don't know much about fashion. This blue is all in. As for my hair... It's not even that long. I have never done hair extensions and never will as I have nice hair already. But keep giving me attention Alex... I quite enjoy it!
Check your PM :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Alex you are on a roll today. ::)
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Oh man, nothing makes a woman look more hideous than duckface.
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A lot of ladies use hair extensions, nothing wrong with it if that is what they choose.
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A lot of ladies use hair extensions, nothing wrong with it if that is what they choose.