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he got away easy with it too
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Top notch elite security team there... ::)
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Remember fellas, never put your life at risk for property of others. :)
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Get the guy to the ground right away...getting stabbed for $8 an hour seems ridiculous.
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Get the guy to the ground right away...getting stabbed for $8 an hour seems ridiculous.
When i worked at a Safeway, we had to sign an agreement that we wouldn't chase after suspected thieves, under penalty of dismissal....so this guy will end up getting fired for his bravery most likely
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Those two are going to be in a shit load of trouble. They are not allowed to touch anyone or do anything remotely near that. They will go to jail.
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Way to get covered in probably junkie blood. Also, as mentioned the guy might make a chunk of change suing Walmart >:(.
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They work in Loss Prevention..and yes, they are allowed to physically apprehend thieves.
I have a buddy who works for WalMart loss prevention...dude gets paid $10 an hour in California. Brutal.
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In America, the law tends to side the criminal.
Every lawyer is probably contacting this guy wanting to represent him. Walmarts total revenue is 476.294 billion dollars. :o :o :o This guy will be a millionaire in a few months.
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Those two are going to be in a shit load of trouble. They are not allowed to touch anyone or do anything remotely near that. They will go to jail.
Incorrect.
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YouTube...cant believe people defend this scumbag thief. In the beginning of the vid the security punches him because he says he bit him. Then the thief stabs the security. Then bites the other security. Yet, Adonis thinks the security is in big trouble. ::)
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YouTube...cant believe people defend this scumbag thief. In the beginning of the vid the security punches him because he says he bit him. Then the thief stabs the security. Then bites the other security. Yet, Adonis thinks the security is in big trouble. ::)
True Adonis was not speaking from a moralistic point of view. But from what is allowed by law. Security guards do have limited abilities as to what they can and cannot do, which is much different than police officers. If they put their hands on the thief first, and they were not allowed to, then he may have a case.
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True Adonis was not speaking from a moralistic point of view. But from what is allowed by law. Security guards do have limited abilities as to what they can and cannot do, which is much different than police officers. If they put their hands on the thief first, and they were not allowed to, then he may have a case.
In California we are allowed to make arrests for felonies as well as certain misdemeanors such as petty theft. If you resist then we can use the necessary force to apprehend and subdue you. If you resist even for petty theft the charges pressed will be automatically bumped up to felony burglary, and assault if applicable.
Keep in mind the DA, prosecutors and good society in general dont take too kindly to thievery.
Also, this thought that loss prevention won't chase you outside the store is a dated company policy not law. Businesses are getting tougher of thieves because it makes a significant dent in profits and it creates problems with employee and customer safety when you allow criminals to do as they please in your place of business. Parking lots are often an extension of the business and thus still private property so you can be chased.
Most big retailers like Wal Mart give their security the full extant of the law to do their job because if they didn't, walmart would be a loot fest.
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Incorrect.
Correct. You don`t have a clue what you are talking about. Only law enforcement has the power to arrest. They cannot lay a hand on a customer, even if he did steal.
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YouTube...cant believe people defend this scumbag thief. In the beginning of the vid the security punches him because he says he bit him. Then the thief stabs the security. Then bites the other security. Yet, Adonis thinks the security is in big trouble. ::)
They are in big trouble, moron.
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Correct. You don`t have a clue what you are talking about. Only law enforcement has the power to arrest. They cannot lay a hand on a customer, even if he did steal.
Incorrect. In California I am a licensed security guard so I do have a clue. I took a mandatory state course called Power to Arrest which outlined specifics of MY authority to arrest. My authority is actually no different than that of a citizen making an arrest which is legal in California you nincompoop. The real difference is as a security hired by a business I am acting as an agent on behalf of that business and thus private property laws come into effect. Think of it as you defending your own house and property Adam, because that's essentially what it is.
You'd probably defend Joe Horn but not Walmarts right to protect its property?
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AP09 is Walmart's policy on dealing with shoplifters. In it, it states "If a weapon comes out, however, associates must "disengage" and "withdraw."
It also states that only non-aggressive methods are to be used. They are fucked.
Here is the policy so morons like Wolfox can educate themselves:
http://media.bonnint.net/slc/2489/248982/24898223.pdf
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Incorrect. In California I am a licensed security guard so I do have a clue. I took a mandatory state course called Power to Arrest which outlined specifics of MY authority to arrest. My authority is actually no different than that of a citizen making an arrest which is legal in California you nincompoop. The real difference is as a security hired by a business I am acting as an agent on behalf of that business and thus private property laws come into effect. Think of it as you defending your own house and property Adam, because that's essentially what it is.
You'd probably defend Joe Horn not Walmarts right to protect its property?
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You do not have any powers that I do not have as a normal citizen, shit for brains.
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AP09 is Walmart's policy on dealing with shoplifters. In it, it states "If a weapon comes out, however, associates must "disengage" and "withdraw."
It also states that only non-aggressive methods are to be used. They are fucked.
Here is the policy so morons like Wolfox can educate themselves:
http://media.bonnint.net/slc/2489/248982/24898223.pdf
The weapon was concealed. And because they were already in close quarters with the suspect they needed to secure the weapon for their own safety.
I don't give a shit about walmarts policy btw. They did the right thing and legally they will not be in trouble.
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They broke just about every Walmart Policy written in their manual.
If I was the guy who got beat up, I would certainly get criminal charges for assault, battery, false imprisonment and whatever else would easily fit this situation.
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The weapon was concealed. And because they were already in close quarters with the suspect they needed to secure the weapon for their own safety.
I don't give a shit about walmarts policy btw. They did the right thing and legally they will not be in trouble.
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You don`t have a clue what you are talking about. Sounds like your Security Guard Certificate needs to be revoked. :D
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You do not have any powers that I do not have as a normal citizen,
You must be an illiterate fool because that's exactly what I said.
I understand the Carolinas aren't known for their intellect but this is basic reading comprehension, you nincompoop.
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You must be an illiterate fool because that's exactly what I said.
I understand the Carolinas aren't known for their intellect but this is basic reading comprehension, you nincompoop.
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Meltdown.
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You don`t have a clue what you are talking about. Sounds like your Security Guard Certificate needs to be revoked. :D
But then I'd be unemployed like you. :-[
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from a bible perspective was it right to a)steal b) get the thief
at the end of the day bible laws come first
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I would have eliminated the threat.
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I would have drunk a lot of vodka.
yep
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adonis get a fuckin job in electricity and stop being a fucken fagget quoting the walmart employee manual ::)
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i agree with u guys saying that risking your life for 8$ hr is stupid, u think walmart gives a shit about its employess ::)
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Securitas who deliver money to cash dispensers company policy is that if their staff get threatened during a cash drop they hand over the money immediatly and make sure they dont get hurt.
Yet each year they have an award ceremony where staff recieve commendations for holding onto the bags and not getting robbed.
Surely those staff should be being disciplined rather than rewarded??
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AP09 is Walmart's policy on dealing with shoplifters. In it, it states "If a weapon comes out, however, associates must "disengage" and "withdraw."
It also states that only non-aggressive methods are to be used. They are fucked.
Here is the policy so morons like Wolfox can educate themselves:
http://media.bonnint.net/slc/2489/248982/24898223.pdf
TA is correct.the policy is to disengage if they get aggressive.
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Securitas who deliver money to cash dispensers company policy is that if their staff get threatened during a cash drop they hand over the money immediatly and make sure they dont get hurt.
Yet each year they have an award ceremony where staff recieve commendations for holding onto the bags and not getting robbed.
Surely those staff should be being disciplined rather than rewarded??
little bit harsh ;D
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Remember fellas, never put your life at risk for property of others. :)
My dad used to say that .
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If I was the guy who got beat up, I would certainly get criminal charges for assault, battery, false imprisonment and whatever else would easily fit this situation.
Closet thief outed.
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These are the scum that cops have to deal with....Cop haters are fucking scumbags.
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Incorrect. In California I am a licensed security guard so I do have a clue. I took a mandatory state course called Power to Arrest which outlined specifics of MY authority to arrest. My authority is actually no different than that of a citizen making an arrest which is legal in California you nincompoop. The real difference is as a security hired by a business I am acting as an agent on behalf of that business and thus private property laws come into effect. Think of it as you defending your own house and property Adam, because that's essentially what it is. You'd probably defend Joe Horn but not Walmarts right to protect its property?
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Actually, Walmart is going to be screwed out of millions and these two guys will be fired, and most likely arrested too. The problem stems with assault back. These guys could of videotaped the incident, the car, everything and could of used pepper spray. Instead, they went after the 'thief' in a brutal way, who regardless is innocent until proven guilty.
They are in trouble because their is a video showing the attacks before and after. Yes, they can claim he stabbed them, but he can claim he was defending themselves against people who have no badges and more.
California does have a 'citizen right to arrest' someone but as I was clearly told, if you are going to do that, you better be prepared for the consequences too.
A simple video tape showing the person would of sufficed. Instead, him stealing $30 worth of products is going to cost them a lot more (millions). You want to stop theft. Videotape, post the pics and the video, and make everyone know this scumbag stole. Make it a lot easier for the police to do their job.
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Only law enforcement has the power to arrest.
Incorrect. Talking bullshit like usual.
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Incorrect. Talking bullshit like usual.
Yes, yes he is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest_in_the_United_S tates
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Incorrect. Talking bullshit like usual.
Citizens do not have the same arrest powers as police do, moron.
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Citizens do not have the same arrest powers as police do, moron.
Thats not what you originally wrote.
Play fair.
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Citizens do not have the same arrest powers as police do, moron.
Your statement was that only law enforcement could arrest, which is false. Stick to cooking, and building your 155 lbs physique.
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Your statement was that only law enforcement could arrest, which is false. Stick to cooking, and building your 155 lbs physique.
Only law enforcement can detain under reasonable suspicion which applies here. Hope this helps.
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Depends on what is done to detain someone. A citizen can not use lethal force to detain someone simply because they are suspected of stealing. Now, if say for example a man has the shit severely kicked out of him by a few bystanders because he was stabbing a child I don't think anyone would be prosecuted. ;)
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Your statement was that only law enforcement could arrest, which is false. Stick to cooking, and building your 155 lbs physique.
TA back tracking like a dipshit with his foot in his mouth.
TA is a complete moron.
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the law is similiar to the uk
any citizen can arrest someone who they see commiting an offence
so if you saw a man walking out a shop with stolen goods you could arrest them
if you only suspected then you cant but a police officer can
its very simple
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Depends on what is done to detain someone. A citizen can not use lethal force to detain someone simply because they are suspected of stealing. Now, if say for example a man has the shit severely kicked out of him by a few bystanders because he was stabbing a child I don't think anyone would be prosecuted. ;)
Exactly. That would be reasonable force, plus that goes beyond reasonable suspicion.
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Citizens Arrest seem to work very well. ::)
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Citizens Arrest seem to work very well. ::)
It doesn't matter if citizens arrest work well or not. That was not the point you made. You stated only law enforcement officials are allowed to arrest people. Clearly, that is not the case. Whether citizens arrest work well or not is a whole different topic.
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Citizens Arrest seem to work very well. ::)
Pro rata probably as well as police arrests
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It doesn't matter if citizens arrest work well or not. That was not the point you made. You stated only law enforcement officials are allowed to arrest people. Clearly, that is not the case. Whether citizens arrest work well or not is a whole different topic.
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Read what Bigmc said.
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Read what Bigmc said.
You only corrected yourself AFTER you were called out on it. That was not your original statement. Your original statement was more of a blanket statement, instead of specifics (difference between cops and citizens and their ability to arrest or not if they suspect a crime has been committed). That was never made a clear from the get-go, but now it is.
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You only corrected yourself AFTER you were called out on it. That was not your original statement. Your original statement was more of a blanket statement, instead of specifics (difference between cops and citizens and their ability to arrest or not if they suspect a crime has been committed). That was never made a clear from the get-go, but now it is.
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TA looking pissed its not an actual hummingbird ;D ;D
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You only corrected yourself AFTER you were called out on it. That was not your original statement. Your original statement was more of a blanket statement, instead of specifics (difference between cops and citizens and their ability to arrest or not if they suspect a crime has been committed). That was never made a clear from the get-go, but now it is.
When Adonis puts in his 2 cents, you get about 2 cents worth.
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Securitas who deliver money to cash dispensers company policy is that if their staff get threatened during a cash drop they hand over the money immediatly and make sure they dont get hurt.
Yet each year they have an award ceremony where staff recieve commendations for holding onto the bags and not getting robbed.
Surely those staff should be being disciplined rather than rewarded??
I've worked for securitas... what a shit company(well, at the least the branch here is).
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Did someone say security?
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Did someone say security?
Team Security, checking in Captain. 8)