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A wake-up call for the high-protein brigade
SAXON CHENG THE AUSTRALIAN AUGUST 22, 2014 12:00AM
AN Australian study concluding that a high protein, low-carbohydrate diet reduces lifespan and increases the risk of diabetes and heart disease should be of great concern to the fitness industry, where a large proportion of people believe a diet dominated by protein shakes or bars leads to lean muscle mass and rapid weight loss.
Timmy Naidoo, director of Sydney supplement store Body Dynamix, has seen how the myth that carbohydrates are evil has infiltrated the health and fitness community.
“About 60 to 70 per cent of first-time bodybuilders and fitness models come to me and confess they consume about three protein shakes a day and neglect a well-balanced meal,” says Naidoo, who has a diploma in personal training and nutrition.
“Young people think the more protein shakes the better, however too many shakes slows down the metabolism. A well-balanced diet of carbs, protein and fats provides adequate nutrients; a carefully monitored supplements program, adequate rest and a structured fitness regime will achieve results.”
As a personal trainer and two-time International Natural Bodybuilding Association finalist for NSW, I’ve advised my predominantly corporate female clients against relying on meal replacement shakes, which are unsustainable in the long term and should only be used as a last resort.
This appears to be supported by the study at the University of Sydney’s Charles Perkins Centre in which mice were fed a variety of 25 diets. Researchers examined the effects of protein, fat and carbohydrate on energy intake, metabolic health, ageing and longevity.
The research, published in the journal Cell Metabolism in March, found that a high protein, low-carbohydrate diet resulted in less body fat and food intake but also reduced lifespan and raised the risk of diabetes and heart disease. Researchers believe these results will apply to humans.
The study also found that, in contrast, a high carbohydrate, low-protein diet resulted in more body fat but a longer lifespan and less risk of diabetes and heart disease.
A low protein, high-fat diet provided the worst health outcomes.
The short-term side effects of a high protein, low-carbohydrate diet include constipation, vitamin deficiency, a poor immune system, gastrointestinal upsets and high intake of saturated fats.
This can lead to serious long-term problems such as diabetes and heart disease. Ketosis (the state in which the body uses fat for energy) can occur when the body is extremely low in carbs, eventually resulting in starvation and muscle wastage.
Ameer Ibrahim, FIFA sports medicine instructor for the Asian Football Confederation, says it’s difficult for the body to ingest large volumes of protein year after year.
“Asian countries like Korea and Japan have a high incidence of cancer of the gut due to their high-protein diet of fish and cured meat,” Ibrahim says.
“I’m also concerned that gym-goers here consume too much protein.
“Protein is important to repair muscles after lifting weights and putting on size, but the dosage of is paramount: the body requires 2.5g of protein daily per kilogram of body weight.”
Ibrahim, who is also chief medical officer for the Sydney Roosters and Sydney FC, agrees with researchers who say a diet that has moderate amounts of high-quality protein (about 15 to 20 per cent of total calorie intake) and is relatively low in fat and high in good-quality complex carbohydrates will yield the best metabolic health and prospects for longevity.
“This is a good all-year round strategy for optimum health,” he says.
If you want to build lean muscle, South Sydney Rabbitohs team dietitian Caitlin Reid says you need a good weights program and a nutrition plan that meets your training goals.
“Having a positive energy balance creates the right environment to gain muscle and you need to time your nutrient intake around your training — focusing on protein and carbohydrates immediately after exercise,” she says.
“Consume small hits of protein throughout the day: 25g of protein six times per day. You can get this through good-quality protein sources like lean red meat, skinless chicken, fish and dairy products.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/executive-living/a-wakeup-call-for-the-highprotein-brigade/story-e6frg9zo-1227032323066
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Too many contradictions to even begin to criticise. The study was probably funded by some cereal company.
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i actually couldn't even read the big bolded part the post sucked that much
and i started there
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Everyone dies.
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You could be hit by a bus tomorrow, 'namsaying?
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Worst article ever.
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New study:
Life may potentially be deadly. ::)
Ever since I was involved in the "science cult" I stopped taking the words of these people for granted.
All research is funded by people with an agenda and "scientists" can draw the insanest conclusions with the help of data filtering/manipulation.
Not to mention the "research under 100 people showed" studies which are a statistical nightmare.
You may as well listen to a fortune teller, then at least you'll know you're getting fucked.
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if u eliminate fat u die
if u eliminate protein u die
if u eliminate carbs u still live
interesting
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Mice.
Big Carb fights back.
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Mice.
Big Carb fights back.
;D
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Too many contradictions to even begin to criticise. The study was probably funded by some cereal company.
Sort of like the pro GMO studies...
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then next year they will have a new study saying protien prolongs life span in people ::)
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Bodybuilders as a group are stupid when it comes to protein. Who can blame them? All the pros over-consume and the magazines and supplement companies push high intakes of protein. I rather doubt you need more than 100g a day to build muscle. More than that is merely converted to sugar in the liver. So it is a monumental waste of money and resources to consume so much protein. I think 50g is sufficient to build muscle. Most young guys don't have enough calories so figure they need more protein. What a bunch of fools. Stop listening to knuckleheads in the gym and silly magazines. Go to a university library and buy the thick text book in nutrition that is used by graduate students. That is your best source of information. Stop all this bro science for goodness sake.
Clearly you need a balanced diet. That means fats, carbs and protein. You don't need extra vitamins if you have a balanced diet and a surplus calorie intake.
Nope, the muscleheads prefer to believe they need more protein. Ah, the folly that comes with lifting weights. Thick as dumbbells! And there is no cure for the universal affliction called ignorance.
It is safer to carry some excess body fat. Studies such as the above suggest it helps health and longevity. There you are. Safety fat!
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Bodybuilders as a group are stupid when it comes to protein. Who can blame them? All the pros over-consume and the magazines and supplement companies push high intakes of protein. I rather doubt you need more than 100g a day to build muscle. More than that is merely converted to sugar in the liver. So it is a monumental waste of money and resources to consume so much protein. I think 50g is sufficient to build muscle. Most young guys don't have enough calories so figure they need more protein. What a bunch of fools. Stop listening to knuckleheads in the gym and silly magazines. Go to a university library and buy the thick text book in nutrition that is used by graduate students. That is your best source of information. Stop all this bro science for goodness sake.
Clearly you need a balanced diet. That means fats, carbs and protein. You don't need extra vitamins if you have a balanced diet and a surplus calorie intake.
Nope, the muscleheads prefer to believe they need more protein. Ah, the folly that comes with lifting weights. Thick as dumbbells! And there is no cure for the universal affliction called ignorance.
It is safer to carry some excess body fat. Studies such as the above suggest it helps health and longevity. There you are. Safety fat!
This is correct for real athletes, i.e. people who engage in real sports. Most scientific studies point at an optimal protein input of 0.8-1.2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight.
It's probably a lot different for people at the top level of BB, but they have already shortened their lifespan due to all drugs, so the negative effects of overeating protein diminishes in comparison.
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low carb moderate protein and high fat and ur ok
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Bodybuilders as a group are stupid when it comes to protein. Who can blame them? All the pros over-consume and the magazines and supplement companies push high intakes of protein. I rather doubt you need more than 100g a day to build muscle. More than that is merely converted to sugar in the liver. So it is a monumental waste of money and resources to consume so much protein. I think 50g is sufficient to build muscle. Most young guys don't have enough calories so figure they need more protein. What a bunch of fools. Stop listening to knuckleheads in the gym and silly magazines. Go to a university library and buy the thick text book in nutrition that is used by graduate students. That is your best source of information. Stop all this bro science for goodness sake.
Clearly you need a balanced diet. That means fats, carbs and protein. You don't need extra vitamins if you have a balanced diet and a surplus calorie intake.
Nope, the muscleheads prefer to believe they need more protein. Ah, the folly that comes with lifting weights. Thick as dumbbells! And there is no cure for the universal affliction called ignorance.
It is safer to carry some excess body fat. Studies such as the above suggest it helps health and longevity. There you are. Safety fat!
While I agree with you on the protein statement there is no excuse for you to be a fatfuck in your old age, stop talking about safety fat and get on a diet and get in shape.
80 years old.
(http://cdn.lolzbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/80-year-old-bodybuilder.jpg)
91 years old.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vAYMbSNKJj4/Tx-TXtrYUPI/AAAAAAAAVvs/TQE5JOMd2qg/s400/91%2Byears%2Bold%2Bbodybuilder.jpg)
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here's the actual paper
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00065-5
(http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/2011601675/2034077827/fx1.jpg)
Highlights
•Food intake is regulated primarily by dietary protein and carbohydrate
•Low-protein, high-carbohydrate diets are associated with the longest lifespans
•Energy reduction from high-protein diets or dietary dilution does not extend life
•Diet influences hepatic mTOR via branched-chain amino acids and glucose
Summary
The fundamental questions of what represents a macronutritionally balanced diet and how this maintains health and longevity remain unanswered. Here, the Geometric Framework, a state-space nutritional modeling method, was used to measure interactive effects of dietary energy, protein, fat, and carbohydrate on food intake, cardiometabolic phenotype, and longevity in mice fed one of 25 diets ad libitum. Food intake was regulated primarily by protein and carbohydrate content. Longevity and health were optimized when protein was replaced with carbohydrate to limit compensatory feeding for protein and suppress protein intake. These consequences are associated with hepatic mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) activation and mitochondrial function and, in turn, related to circulating branched-chain amino acids and glucose. Calorie restriction achieved by high-protein diets or dietary dilution had no beneficial effects on lifespan. The results suggest that longevity can be extended in ad libitum-fed animals by manipulating the ratio of macronutrients to inhibit mTOR activation.
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Everybody wanna be bodybuilder, nobody want to die of protein poisoning.
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While I agree with you on the protein statement there is no excuse for you to be a fatfuck in your old age, stop talking about safety fat and get on a diet and get in shape.
80 years old.
He's not 80 years old you stupid twat.
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So black people started naming their kids protein? Not surprised. I kid, turbo.
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While I agree with you on the protein statement there is no excuse for you to be a fatfuck in your old age, stop talking about safety fat and get on a diet and get in shape.
80 years old.
(http://cdn.lolzbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/80-year-old-bodybuilder.jpg)
91 years old.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vAYMbSNKJj4/Tx-TXtrYUPI/AAAAAAAAVvs/TQE5JOMd2qg/s400/91%2Byears%2Bold%2Bbodybuilder.jpg)
Still a roid phony..
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i am 61 :)
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Still a roid phony..
Old people need roids they have very low test levels and they dont recuperate fast.
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If I understand this correctly
the mechanism (mTOR) that promotes growth (muscles) is related to protein intake
unfortunately it's also a mechanism related to aging and certain age related illness like heart disease
seems like common sense but interesting to see someone looking at it seriously
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i am 61 :)
High IQ detected - love Lee Priest eye wear :D
Looking great!
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Bodybuilders as a group are stupid when it comes to protein. Who can blame them? All the pros over-consume and the magazines and supplement companies push high intakes of protein. I rather doubt you need more than 100g a day to build muscle. More than that is merely converted to sugar in the liver. So it is a monumental waste of money and resources to consume so much protein. I think 50g is sufficient to build muscle. Most young guys don't have enough calories so figure they need more protein. What a bunch of fools. Stop listening to knuckleheads in the gym and silly magazines. Go to a university library and buy the thick text book in nutrition that is used by graduate students. That is your best source of information. Stop all this bro science for goodness sake.
Clearly you need a balanced diet. That means fats, carbs and protein. You don't need extra vitamins if you have a balanced diet and a surplus calorie intake.
Nope, the muscleheads prefer to believe they need more protein. Ah, the folly that comes with lifting weights. Thick as dumbbells! And there is no cure for the universal affliction called ignorance.
It is safer to carry some excess body fat. Studies such as the above suggest it helps health and longevity. There you are. Safety fat!
*sigh* Stop Vince, for Gods sake just stop. 50grms is barely survival for a sedentary person.
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What the article doesn't seem to mention is that over 100 mice were killed off because of extremely poor health when put on low protein diets.
Here's an interesting study/analysis of mice being fed different macronutrients (percentages) and the effects on energy and longevity: http://download.cell.com/cell-metabolism/mmcs/journals/1550-4131/PIIS1550413114000655.mmc1.pdf (http://download.cell.com/cell-metabolism/mmcs/journals/1550-4131/PIIS1550413114000655.mmc1.pdf)
If you scroll down to page 7 and read the last couple paragraphs of the blurb regarding table S1 you will see that mice given low protein diets had serious health issues (extreme weight loss, rectal prolapse :-X, and "failure to thrive"). Those diets have been discontinued.
I think balance is key. I personally like keto diets with refeeds, but that's because I'm obsessed with body composition. If I were going for a healthy body I'd probably stick to 30% P, 50% C and 20% F, or something like that. But we all make choices and have to live with the consequences.
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What the article doesn't seem to mention is that over 100 mice were killed off because of extremely poor health when put on low protein diets.
Here's an interesting study/analysis of mice being fed different macronutrients (percentages) and the effects on energy and longevity: http://download.cell.com/cell-metabolism/mmcs/journals/1550-4131/PIIS1550413114000655.mmc1.pdf (http://download.cell.com/cell-metabolism/mmcs/journals/1550-4131/PIIS1550413114000655.mmc1.pdf)
If you scroll down to page 7 and read the last couple paragraphs of the blurb regarding table S1 you will see that mice given low protein diets had serious health issues (extreme weight loss, rectal prolapse :-X, and "failure to thrive"). Those diets have been discontinued.
I think balance is key. I personally like keto diets with refeeds, but that's because I'm obsessed with body composition. If I were going for a healthy body I'd probably stick to 30% P, 50% C and 20% F, or something like that. But we all make choices and have to live with the consequences.
I think the most important question that needs answering is the exact names of financiers of the research.
Researchers, just like senators, should wear sponsor jackets much alike those of F1 racers.
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any study on mice you can expect the same result in men.
we are mice.
true story.
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any study on mice you can expect the same result in men.
we are mice.
true story.
There is a 1:1 mapping between mice and men, obviously. ::)
Love these scientific articles.
The problem is not the research, the problem lies in the conclusions made by either the researches or the readers. Correlations needs not imply causality.
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where are the studies showing that a high protein intake makes you luster for the cock?
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This is what happen when you try to drink too much protein.
PORN star Sexy Cora bit off more than she could chew when she tried to break the ORAL SEX world
record for a new blue movie.Blonde Cora — real name Carolin Berger — had aimed to service 200 punters in Hamburg, Germany.
But she was forced to call off the bid when she collapsed after reaching her 75th man and was rushed to hospital with breathing difficulties.
The 21-year-old star is currently on police bail for filming sex scenes for another porno in a family park in broad daylight.
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This is what happen when you try to drink too much protein.
PORN star Sexy Cora bit off more than she could chew when she tried to break the ORAL SEX world
record for a new blue movie.Blonde Cora — real name Carolin Berger — had aimed to service 200 punters in Hamburg, Germany.
But she was forced to call off the bid when she collapsed after reaching her 75th man and was rushed to hospital with breathing difficulties.
The 21-year-old star is currently on police bail for filming sex scenes for another porno in a family park in broad daylight.
You have to wonder what her dad did to her as a child to grow up so fucked up.
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Low protein, low calorie, low activity, low fun lifestyles do prolong life. We've known that for years. This isn't a life extensionist forum however, so fuck off.
I don't want to castrate the quality of my life just to live another two or three pitiful years eating bird seed and staying indoors to avoid any accidental fun and enjoyment. If that's up your alley, go buy some organic qiunoa and stick it up your rectum for a low glycemic treat, asshole.
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Low protein, low calorie, low activity, low fun lifestyles do prolong life. We've known that for years. This isn't a life extensionist forum however, so fuck off.
I don't want to castrate the quality of my life just to live another two or three pitiful years eating bird seed and staying indoors to avoid any accidental fun and enjoyment. If that's up your alley, go buy some organic qiunoa and stick it up your rectum for a low glycemic treat, asshole.
Speaking of which:
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Low protein, low calorie, low activity, low fun lifestyles do prolong life. We've known that for years. This isn't a life extensionist forum however, so fuck off.
I don't want to castrate the quality of my life just to live another two or three pitiful years eating bird seed and staying indoors to avoid any accidental fun and enjoyment. If that's up your alley, go buy some organic qiunoa and stick it up your rectum for a low glycemic treat, asshole.
organic quinoa is one of the most healthiest foods that you can eat whats wrong with you.
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The 21-year-old star is currently on police bail for filming sex scenes for another porno in a family park in broad daylight.
Wrong - she died a few years ago. Had a heart attack while under the knife trying to get her tits made bigger yet again...
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I have never read any scientific real research that proves you need a high protein diet if you lift weights. Absolutely none. These grams of protein per kilo of weight never has any factual backing. I'm afraid the only real research I have seen with nitrogen retention has shown that extra protein just isn't utilized to build muscle.
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So this report was basically about shakes. Which we all know by now can have almost anything they want inside the jug and call it whatever on the label. Very few Protein shakes are low carb or no carb in the market for the general public. It's the sugar people. It's always been the sugar. And if your drinking a shake where the powder comes from China, that opens up a whole other can of worms on what is actually killing people...
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i am 61 :)
yes you will look good when you die early
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Listen to the din the flotsam make. Like dumbbells in a free weight area. Lots of noise but hardly anyone growing except if on the oids.
Show me valid research done on champion natural bodybuilders indicating protein requirement.
In the meantime, Coach and other scholars continue to believe whatever the muscleheads told them.
If you need 50 g of protein to sustain your muscles would taking 200 g or more enlighten you to your excesses?
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Just to play it safe I cut protein out of my diet.
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Listen to the din the flotsam make. Like dumbbells in a free weight area. Lots of noise but hardly anyone growing except if on the oids.
Show me valid research done on champion natural bodybuilders indicating protein requirement.
In the meantime, Coach and other scholars continue to believe whatever the muscleheads told them.
If you need 50 g of protein to sustain your muscles would taking 200 g or more enlighten you to your excesses?
Vince, I called you out YEARS ago to debate me. You never responded. You haven't given me or anyone else on here any reason to believe or even take seriously the bullshit you spew on here. This especially goes for you so-called expertise on hypertrophy. Back your shit up, Vince. I have for the most part on here for years.
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Everyone has different DNA and a different gene pool and different metabolism.
I belong to the group-type who can maintain my size by not having protein for weeks.
To put size on, I do not need more than 100gr of protein daily.
High protein intake for me is only important during my pre contest diet.
(http://archive.bodylehti.fi/customfiles/Nasser%20front%20db.jpg)
what killed this man?
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Listen to the din the flotsam make. Like dumbbells in a free weight area. Lots of noise but hardly anyone growing except if on the oids.
Show me valid research done on champion natural bodybuilders indicating protein requirement.
In the meantime, Coach and other scholars continue to believe whatever the muscleheads told them.
If you need 50 g of protein to sustain your muscles would taking 200 g or more enlighten you to your excesses?
Even if research was conducted on this group, the results would at most been completely useless as the sample size is too small.
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Vince, I called you out YEARS ago to debate me. You never responded. You haven't given me or anyone else on here any reason to believe or even take seriously the bullshit you spew on here. This especially goes for you so-called expertise on hypertrophy. Back your shit up, Vince. I have for the most part on here for years.
Well, Coach, it is rather pointless debating hypertrophy with blokes like you. Why? Because you have little clue whether a theory is true or not. How would you test a theory? How would you refute a theory? I have presented an original theory of hypertrophy but the experts here continue to cling onto what they believe. They would rather die than change their beliefs. So they do the honourable thing and take their false theories to their graves everyone seems to be happy. Amazing this sport of bodybuilding.
I continue to prove my theory every time I train and get a result. All I need is sufficient motivation to keep training on a regular basis. The only way that is going to happen is if I never turn my computer on! Also, it is difficult to get really big at my age since I have accumulated so many injuries. When the heavy weights arrive the joints complain and soon enough something gives. I sure wish I knew what I know now back in 1958. I would have been a Mr Universe no worries at all. Not that those titles mean much any more which is a real shame. We can all thank Joe Weider and his silly Mr Olympia. That was a blow to all former champions but no one knew it at the time.
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Even if research was conducted on this group, the results would at most been completely useless as the sample size is too small.
We need research not sponsored by supplement companies. Getting 40 naturals in a definitive study would sure help us settle the protein question.
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I have never read any scientific real research that proves you need a high protein diet if you lift weights. Absolutely none. These grams of protein per kilo of weight never has any factual backing. I'm afraid the only real research I have seen with nitrogen retention has shown that extra protein just isn't utilized to build muscle.
I'm convinced you just need a teensy bit extra a day versus not building muscle. You only build muscle in milligram and gram ranges, not pounds. Glycogen is easy to pack on and people probably correlate the wrong things. I get over 100g of quality protein on a good day and I'm the leanest and most muscled I've ever been in my life. No sense in pounding your kidneys and wallet when it does no different.
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We need research not sponsored by supplement companies. Getting 40 naturals in a definitive study would sure help us settle the protein question.
Yes, but then you would need 40 top level natural bodybuilders and hope none of them lie or create too many statistical outliers. The problem in these forms of researches are the amount of subjects in each experiment. Even if as little as one out of forty is off the charts (outlier) you are instantly looking at an decrease of 2.5% in confidence level at least. Add to that all the other factors and you can see how this tiny experiment quickly loses validity among peer researchers. Hence, it will be hard to allocate/motivate a group of researchers to spend their time on an experiment with high likelihood of failure and very low rewards. Also, should the experiment disprove the myth of overconsuming protein, they can expect massive lawsuits from the supplement companies due to "loss of revenues" (only in America, oh brother).
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Ibrahim, who is also chief medical officer for the Sydney Roosters and Sydney FC, agrees with researchers who say a diet that has moderate amounts of high-quality protein (about 15 to 20 per cent of total calorie intake) and is relatively low in fat and high in good-quality complex carbohydrates will yield the best metabolic health and prospects for longevity.
Bullshit. The latest (objective) research says the opposite:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html
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a 300lb ifbb pro can grow on 100g of protien
high protien only when dieting...why?
according to the study, high protein is simply an appetite supressant
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i concur that people exegarate when it comes to protein consumption, i'd never go over 150g myself anymore, but carbs are not your best friend, fats are though, as i said before tehre are essential amino acids and essential fatty acids which ur body can not make on its own but there is no such thing as essential carbohydrates, the minimum amounts of glucose that's needed for brain function ur body can make from amino acids or glycerol
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here's the actual paper
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00065-5
(http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/2011601675/2034077827/fx1.jpg)
Highlights
•Food intake is regulated primarily by dietary protein and carbohydrate
•Low-protein, high-carbohydrate diets are associated with the longest lifespans
•Energy reduction from high-protein diets or dietary dilution does not extend life
•Diet influences hepatic mTOR via branched-chain amino acids and glucose
Summary
The fundamental questions of what represents a macronutritionally balanced diet and how this maintains health and longevity remain unanswered. Here, the Geometric Framework, a state-space nutritional modeling method, was used to measure interactive effects of dietary energy, protein, fat, and carbohydrate on food intake, cardiometabolic phenotype, and longevity in mice fed one of 25 diets ad libitum. Food intake was regulated primarily by protein and carbohydrate content. Longevity and health were optimized when protein was replaced with carbohydrate to limit compensatory feeding for protein and suppress protein intake. These consequences are associated with hepatic mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) activation and mitochondrial function and, in turn, related to circulating branched-chain amino acids and glucose. Calorie restriction achieved by high-protein diets or dietary dilution had no beneficial effects on lifespan. The results suggest that longevity can be extended in ad libitum-fed animals by manipulating the ratio of macronutrients to inhibit mTOR activation.
Thanks for posting.
Vegetarians, have the lowest risk of all cause mortality, they typically consume a low level of protein, moderate protein with a relatively high amount of carbs. One key factor here is that they consume a very large amount of fiber. A component which always seems to be overlooked in studies.
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i am 61 :)
Sums it up.
MuscleCenter living the dream looking early 40's in his 60's.
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Well for a few hundred thousand years we evolved living on animal meat and whatever nuts and fruits we could scrounge up every now and then. Think a low carb diet is fine, do cheat days every once in awhile to be in tune with your inner caveman.
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stop eating altogether
just to be on the safe side
just a friendly advice.
and dont go crazy on the water either. 1 glass no more. per day.
good luck
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if you guys are into reading, one of the experts in the field lyle mcdonacld after reviewing countless studies in depth in his 'protein' book, states that for athletes 1g/lb of LBM is all is needed during muscle acquisition, when calories are above maintenance. If dieting 1.3 g is enough. Levels higher than this seem to suppress body anabolic processes.
Not enough studies were done to explore this for a PED user.
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stop eating altogether
just to be on the safe side
just a friendly advice.
and dont go crazy on the water either. 1 glass no more. per day.
good luck
good advice, also important to cut out breathing to reduce reactive oxygen species.
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While I agree with you on the protein statement there is no excuse for you to be a fatfuck in your old age, stop talking about safety fat and get on a diet and get in shape.
80 years old.
(http://cdn.lolzbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/80-year-old-bodybuilder.jpg)
91 years old.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vAYMbSNKJj4/Tx-TXtrYUPI/AAAAAAAAVvs/TQE5JOMd2qg/s400/91%2Byears%2Bold%2Bbodybuilder.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
Now he will hate U too, just like fatso hates Paul,Arnold,Zane,Tony,......................
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Well, Coach, it is rather pointless debating hypertrophy with blokes like you. Why? Because you have little clue whether a theory is true or not. How would you test a theory? How would you refute a theory? I have presented an original theory of hypertrophy but the experts here continue to cling onto what they believe. They would rather die than change their beliefs. So they do the honourable thing and take their false theories to their graves everyone seems to be happy. Amazing this sport of bodybuilding.
I continue to prove my theory every time I train and get a result. All I need is sufficient motivation to keep training on a regular basis. The only way that is going to happen is if I never turn my computer on! Also, it is difficult to get really big at my age since I have accumulated so many injuries. When the heavy weights arrive the joints complain and soon enough something gives. I sure wish I knew what I know now back in 1958. I would have been a Mr Universe no worries at all. Not that those titles mean much any more which is a real shame. We can all thank Joe Weider and his silly Mr Olympia. That was a blow to all former champions but no one knew it at the time.
WHO was stopping U from taking NABBA Mr.Universe '75 or WBBG Mr.World ?.
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We need research not sponsored by supplement companies. Getting 40 naturals in a definitive study would sure help us settle the protein question.
& perfect location for this experiment would be never existed 15th floors high building on Manly beach
;D
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i concur that people exegarate when it comes to protein consumption, i'd never go over 150g myself anymore, but carbs are not your best friend, fats are though, as i said before tehre are essential amino acids and essential fatty acids which ur body can not make on its own but there is no such thing as essential carbohydrates, the minimum amounts of glucose that's needed for brain function ur body can make from amino acids or glycerol
Doesn't the body (brain included) function optimally on carbs though?
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Doesn't the body (brain included) function optimally on carbs though?
It can run just as well on ketones. Glycogen can be created too when the body needs it and is very far from being critical in our diets.
Over the years I've found myself eating less and less and only feeling better. I still binge lots and eat tons of junk, but on a good day I'll fast until after the gym and just eat once or twice with complete satiety, good bowel movements, feeling and looking better than ever.
I think once you have a solid base there's no sense in eating more than a couple to a few thousand cals each day unless you're either massive or do a massive amount of daily activity. Tons of protein is simply too strenuous for the body and a complete waste of time and money.
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everyone just needs to consume kerosene, fried grass clippings, and turpentine.