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Maybe you can relate to having some form of bodybuilding regret?
In my case, I have some nagging regrets about NOT doing more bodybuilding stuff.
I don't regret avoiding extreme drug use or getting a good education and career.
I do regret NOT going to more major contests , like the Olympia each year.
I competed at least 40 times , but never competed in the Team Universe or Masters nationals, etc.
My diet has really sucked for the last 10 years and my workouts have been inconsistent at best.
I've gradually gone to less shows each year and quit judging 3 years ago.
I've decided to get back into hardcore bodybuilding on my own terms* ( no BB drugs).
I'll start simple, by cleaning up my diet and training on a consistent basis.
I hope to compete in a regional show next summer and the over 50 masters nationals.
Plus, I'll go to a couple pro contests as well next year.
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Not learning the importance of nutrition right at the beginning would be my biggest.
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Bodybuilding shows are beyond boring.
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Not learning the importance of nutrition right at the beginning would be my biggest.
Bingo.
It really is a LOT more important then anything else.
First thing I did was go to the store and buy plenty of good basic food and protein powder.
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Bodybuilding shows are beyond boring.
The addition of so many new NONbodybuilding divisions doesn't help the show , in my opinion.
BUT, wtf, I can oogle a bikini babe bending over and not get too upset.
Plus, I secretly want to make out with some of the hunky MPD dudes...no homo :o
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'Bulking' in any shape and form.
Eating too much, at any point in my years of training didn't help anything whatsoever apart from add a few pounds to my PB on big lifts (which probably in turn killed my joints lol)
Wish I had always kept under 12% BF
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'Bulking' in any shape and form.
Eating too much, at any point in my years of training didn't help anything whatsoever apart from add a few pounds to my PB on big lifts (which probably in turn killed my joints lol)
Wish I had always kept under 12% BF
X 2
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Not working mind/muscle connection from the beginning, and just focusing on throwing weight around.
Ego training got me literally nowhere, it took me a ridiculous amount of time to finally start feeling the muscle im trying to hit actually work.
Im just now getting to the point where i feel the exercises hit the mucle, focusing on feeling it contract all the way through the movement and then focus on the negative, feeling it work all the way back. Its amazing the difference of when you actually start to FEEL the muscle moving the weight.
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Not fully realizing my potential by taking truckloads of drugs and thereby reaching my ultimate goal of having everyone hear stare at a photo of me and whisper in tones of adulation..."The Scott. He died for us bitches".
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Not working mind/muscle connection from the beginning, and just focusing on throwing weight around.
Ego training got me literally nowhere, it took me a ridiculous amount of time to finally start feeling the muscle im trying to hit actually work.
Im just now getting to the point where i feel the exercises hit the mucle, focusing on feeling it contract all the way through the movement and then focus on the negative, feeling it work all the way back. Its amazing the difference of when you actually start to FEEL the muscle moving the weight.
Funnily enough, some wierd old German guy in the showers started doing the classic 'give 19 year old boy BB tips while he is in shower furiously washing his ballbag' spiel when I first started training, about 'mind muscle connection' and 'feeling the weight move through the muscle' ' contracting fully every rep' etc, I thought it was just something skinny old guys say cause they're jealous of us bulkers who are banging out real weights
Wish I would have listened :'(
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Funnily enough, some wierd old German guy in the showers started doing the classic 'give 19 year old boy BB tips while he is in shower furiously washing his ballbag' spiel when I first started training, about 'mind muscle connection' and 'feeling the weight move through the muscle' ' contracting fully every rep' etc, I thought it was just something skinny old guys say cause they're jealous of us bulkers who are banging out real weights
Wish I would have listened :'(
Imagine what more you would have learned had you volunteered to wash his balls...no homo.
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'Bulking' in any shape and form.
Eating too much, at any point in my years of training didn't help anything whatsoever apart from add a few pounds to my PB on big lifts (which probably in turn killed my joints lol)
Wish I had always kept under 12% BF
Wish I hadn't been such a tight ass about putting on a little fat. Could have got strong enough to talk about my lifts on Getbig instead of having to treat my numbers like a fucking national secret.
You can't win.
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'Bulking' in any shape and form.
Eating too much, at any point in my years of training didn't help anything whatsoever apart from add a few pounds to my PB on big lifts (which probably in turn killed my joints lol)
Wish I had always kept under 12% BF
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EVERY lifting related injury I had came from sloppy form with too much wt.
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Wish I hadn't been such a tight ass about putting on a little fat. Could have got strong enough to talk about my lifts on Getbig instead of having to treat my numbers like a fucking national secret.
You can't win.
Good point, but rarely does anyone get inured when using strict form.
Plus, a "little fat" isn't the same as getting fat and chunky like me and many others.
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would have like to did more shows in 90's..
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lmao @ doing the entire bb thing without the drugs
that's like going to work but not getting paid
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would have like to did more shows in 90's..
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I competed then, but I wish I had gone to more pro shows during the 90's. I missed a bunch of good bodybuilding and expo experiences.
Anyone else wish they went to more pro events?
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I competed then, but I wish I had gone to more pro shows during the 90's. I missed a bunch of good bodybuilding and expo experiences.
Anyone else wish they went to more pro events?
well i meant competed more than i did,and yes seeing pro shows..
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Je ne regrette rien
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i regret only starting roids at 25 when i could have started at 18
imagine how fucking big and ripped i would have been by now
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lmao @ doing the entire bb thing without the drugs
that's like going to work but not getting paid
I hear ya and understand that view.
I'm now 55 and way past any point where anything but personal satisfaction is important.
I can accept not winning . I can longer accept just sitting in the audience.
I want to participate on my own terms. I don't agree with extreme drugs use, but I don't care if others want to.
FYI, I do use prescribed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal range ( no more, no less)
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I hear ya and understand that view.
I'm now 55 and way past any point where anything but personal satisfaction is important.
I can accept not winning . I can longer accept just sitting in the audience.
I want to participate on my own terms. I don't agree with extreme drugs use, but I don't care if others want to.
FYI, I do use prescribed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal range ( no more, no less)
thats pretty neat but does it surpress natural levels? just curious
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Funnily enough, some wierd old German guy in the showers started doing the classic 'give 19 year old boy BB tips while he is in shower furiously washing his ballbag' spiel when I first started training, about 'mind muscle connection' and 'feeling the weight move through the muscle' ' contracting fully every rep' etc, I thought it was just something skinny old guys say cause they're jealous of us bulkers who are banging out real weights
Wish I would have listened :'(
maybe you did listen but you seem to have remembered his balls more than his brains
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maybe you did listen but you seem to have remembered his balls more than his brains
Oh look, it's getbig's worst poster. Good to see you still mastering your craft ::)
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thats pretty neat but does it surpress natural levels? just curious
Per one of my brothers that was prescribed Androgel, it does indeed suppress your own output and result in testicular atrophy. He liked the way he felt but didn't care for that particular side effect so he stopped and within two weeks all was back to normal.
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maybe you did listen but you seem to have remembered his balls more than his brains
newsflash - I was JOKING. ::)
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thats pretty neat but does it surpress natural levels? just curious
It might, but I believe it's meant to sustain ideal test levels in older males.
They have to be fairly low already to get a prescription.
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you looked great when u competed,how bad are u shirtless'no homo'now,,do u take pics/train at all??
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Regret not doing more shows in the mid 80's. Also was in real good shape 99-2000 should have done the Southern States back then.
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Regret not doing more shows in the mid 80's. Also was in real good shape 99-2000 should have done the Southern States back then.
hear ya...
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why in particular do you regret not doing more shows ?
i would rather do nice photoshoots for when i'm old so i can post the picturees over and over like basile
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why in particular do you regret not doing more shows ?
i would rather do nice photoshoots for when i'm old so i can post the picturees over and over like basile
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its fun getting up there,that little moment in time,your family and such cheering you on.and especially when you hit top condition/shape u push your body through..trophy sits/gets dusty so be it,,,its the moment..
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its fun getting up there,that little moment in time,your family and such cheering you on.and especially when you hit top condition/shape u push your body through..trophy sits/gets dusty so be it,,,its the moment..
Absolutely, Have to experience it to understand it. Loved being on stage, hated the dieting.
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its fun getting up there,that little moment in time,your family and such cheering you on.and especially when you hit top condition/shape u push your body through..trophy sits/gets dusty so be it,,,its the moment..
your family actually supports this drug fueled thong habbit ?
dont get me wrong i'm not knocking it, just calling it what it is
:D
i took family to a gym fundraising event once and suddenly it becomes clear to me that the champ is going to do a "guest posing"
my family cant shut up about his small package, "all drugs" etc really loud i cringe the whole way thru
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your family actually supports this drug fueled thong habbit ?
dont get me wrong i'm not knocking it, just calling it what it is
:D
i took family to a gym fundraising event once and suddenly it becomes clear to me that the champ is going to do a "guest posing"
my family cant shut up about his small package, "all drugs" etc really loud i cringe the whole way thru
do you want to compete or just get the girlz??
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Not using gh and steroids after I fucked up my shoulder. I should have tried to pharma rehab it instead of just throwing in the towel.
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do you want to compete or just get the girlz??
i just want to get the girls of course
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i just want to get the girls of course
8)
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Sucking off an elderly jewish man for money to buy HMB.
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Good point, but rarely does anyone get inured when using strict form.
Plus, a "little fat" isn't the same as getting fat and chunky like me and many others.
I agree about going too far. Moderation in all things etc. What I'd like to get across is my belief that we have a baseline physique that results from genetics & lifestyle, and we'll tend toward that unless making an effort in another direction.
In my case, I come from skinny people (lived skinny, died skinny) and I'm running around all day doing physical work. Maybe I'm going to die of a heart attack or something. I should, technically. I eat anything. I drink anything. "Oh, you'll get a spare tire on ya eating like that by the time you're 30/35/40." Do I hear 45? Bring it on. It never happens. In b4 cry me a river. It sucks being on a plateau where you have to chug blended boiled potatoes & egg whites (w/cocoa powder, of course) if you expect to get an extra rep this time next week. This is bullcrap.
I don't mean I wish I'd gone the way of the 'I see dead people' kid. I wish I'd been bolder seasonally tho. It's ok to fatten up in the fall. It's ok to diet some in the spring for the summer (if that's your thing). If you can't gain or can't lose then you overshot or weren't compensating sufficiently for your genetics and lifestyle.
Mostly, I should have set a goal to reach 200lbs, blubber or no. Have some goddamn presence. Not in 2 weeks or some shit. But a steady climb of 10lbs a year or something that I just didn't do. Enough with the faggoty Richard Simmons 'I'm the best version of myself I can be' shit. I should have fought my genetics better. Been better prepared with easily consumed calories (blended) to thwart my fucked up thermostat that thinks it's full or that doesn't click in when working.
Like most guys, I should have identified my needs more accurately and addressed them with greater diligence. Well maybe I'll just go ahead and fucking do that. How do you like them apples.
/skinny man's burden
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Reading this
I will regret to my grave
Cemetery of white towel
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you looked great when u competed,how bad are u shirtless'no homo'now,,do u take pics/train at all??
Thanks .
I look big, wide and thick in clothes now, but I'm pretty chunky and fat by bodybuilding standards .
I'm around 255 lbs now and need to drop a good 50 lbs to look lean enough for a contest.
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i just want to get the girls of course
You are disgrace to the Bodybuilding community!
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You are disgrace to the Bodybuilding community!
rich piana says lifting for the girls is much better than for a plastic trophy
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I agree about going too far. Moderation in all things etc. What I'd like to get across is my belief that we have a baseline physique that results from genetics & lifestyle, and we'll tend toward that unless making an effort in another direction.
In my case, I come from skinny people (lived skinny, died skinny) and I'm running around all day doing physical work. Maybe I'm going to die of a heart attack or something. I should, technically. I eat anything. I drink anything. "Oh, you'll get a spare tire on ya eating like that by the time you're 30/35/40." Do I hear 45? Bring it on. It never happens. In b4 cry me a river. It sucks being on a plateau where you have to chug blended boiled potatoes & egg whites (w/cocoa powder, of course) if you expect to get an extra rep this time next week. This is bullcrap.
I don't mean I wish I'd gone the way of the 'I see dead people' kid. I wish I'd been bolder seasonally tho. It's ok to fatten up in the fall. It's ok to diet some in the spring for the summer (if that's your thing). If you can't gain or can't lose then you overshot or weren't compensating sufficiently for your genetics and lifestyle.
Mostly, I should have set a goal to reach 200lbs, blubber or no. Have some goddamn presence. Not in 2 weeks or some shit. But a steady climb of 10lbs a year or something that I just didn't do. Enough with the faggoty Richard Simmons 'I'm the best version of myself I can be' shit. I should have fought my genetics better. Been better prepared with easily consumed calories (blended) to thwart my fucked up thermostat that thinks it's full or that doesn't click in when working.
Like most guys, I should have identified my needs more accurately and addressed them with greater diligence. Well maybe I'll just go ahead and fucking do that. How do you like them apples.
/skinny man's burden
Great post! Perhaps, you will opt to say "fuk it" and still go for it now , like I am.
Ok, so we're older and past our prime. We may get the same final results from years past, but we can still get some change and personal satisfaction.
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Who's past whose prime? ??? You're good egg but I find you hard to follow sometimes, bro.
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I competed then, but I wish I had gone to more pro shows during the 90's. I missed a bunch of good bodybuilding and expo experiences.
Anyone else wish they went to more pro events?
Never been to an Olympia or Arnold, wish I went to it least 1 of each.
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Regret not doing more shows in the mid 80's. Also was in real good shape 99-2000 should have done the Southern States back then.
I can relate!
I was in the my best shape in the mid 90's and wanted to go to the ( drug tested) early team universe shows.
I talked myself out of going because it wasn't "convenient" to travel to do a show.
I don't think I would have gotten first, but I might have placed?
What stopped you?
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I regret spending excessive money on supplements (over the years).
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its fun getting up there,that little moment in time,your family and such cheering you on.and especially when you hit top condition/shape u push your body through..trophy sits/gets dusty so be it,,,its the moment..
exactly.
It's not the plastic trophy, it's the experience you remember.
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I can relate!
I was in the my best shape in the mid 90's and wanted to go to the ( drug tested) early team universe shows.
I talked myself out of going because it wasn't "convenient" to travel to do a show.
I don't think I would have gotten first, but I might have placed?
What stopped you?
We just had our first daughter in 98, I started training again like a man possessed , couldn't bring myself to diet strictly or spend the extra money for gear needed. I was taking pro hormones at the time and was about 215 at 12% bf at 5'9".
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Who's past whose prime? ??? You're good egg but I find you hard to follow sometimes, bro.
I'm 55 so I know I am and I thought you were in your 40's now. Sorry if I was wrong.
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I regret spending excessive money on supplements (over the years).
OMG!
I pissed way more hard earned $$ on GOD knows what new gimmick supplement over the years.
In recent years , most of it just made for some loose, nasty bowel movements :o
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We just had our first daughter in 98, I started training again like a man possessed , couldn't bring myself to diet strictly or spend the extra money for gear needed. I was taking pro hormones at the time and was about 215 at 12% bf at 5'9".
Yeah, having kids is a huge change of life.
In my case it was job related. I was teaching high school chemistry and coaching football, some soccer and track in the 1990's .
Between that and summer grad school , I didn't want to spend the time and money to travel just for a BB contest.
Hmmm, looks like we had some really good reasons, NOT to compete in those shows and did the responsible thing 'eh.
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Oh look, it's getbig's worst poster. Good to see you still mastering your craft ::)
glad to provide you with a benchmark to aspire to : )
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I'm 55 so I know I am and I thought you were in your 40's now. Sorry if I was wrong.
Just giving you a hard time as always, Howard. I don't feel especially un-primed but I'm sure it's on the way.
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don't let me get started. i'll go on for ten pages
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Longest post in the thread so far is from some skinny kid. I say go for it.
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1) Training like a bodybuilder and not like an athlete.
2) Buying a bodybuilding magazine or book.
3) Buying gimmick supplements.
4) Wasting a good part of my 20s- early 30s living the strict bodybuilding lifestyle instead of partying more.
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I agree about going too far. Moderation in all things etc. What I'd like to get across is my belief that we have a baseline physique that results from genetics & lifestyle, and we'll tend toward that unless making an effort in another direction.
In my case, I come from skinny people (lived skinny, died skinny) and I'm running around all day doing physical work. Maybe I'm going to die of a heart attack or something. I should, technically. I eat anything. I drink anything. "Oh, you'll get a spare tire on ya eating like that by the time you're 30/35/40." Do I hear 45? Bring it on. It never happens. In b4 cry me a river. It sucks being on a plateau where you have to chug blended boiled potatoes & egg whites (w/cocoa powder, of course) if you expect to get an extra rep this time next week. This is bullcrap.
I don't mean I wish I'd gone the way of the 'I see dead people' kid. I wish I'd been bolder seasonally tho. It's ok to fatten up in the fall. It's ok to diet some in the spring for the summer (if that's your thing). If you can't gain or can't lose then you overshot or weren't compensating sufficiently for your genetics and lifestyle.
Mostly, I should have set a goal to reach 200lbs, blubber or no. Have some goddamn presence. Not in 2 weeks or some shit. But a steady climb of 10lbs a year or something that I just didn't do. Enough with the faggoty Richard Simmons 'I'm the best version of myself I can be' shit. I should have fought my genetics better. Been better prepared with easily consumed calories (blended) to thwart my fucked up thermostat that thinks it's full or that doesn't click in when working.
Like most guys, I should have identified my needs more accurately and addressed them with greater diligence. Well maybe I'll just go ahead and fucking do that. How do you like them apples.
/skinny man's burden
Steroids friend. And lots of them.
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1) Training like a bodybuilder and not like an athlete.
2) Buying a bodybuilding magazine or book.
3) Buying gimmick supplements.
4) Wasting a good part of my 20s- early 30s living the strict bodybuilding lifestyle instead of partying more.
lol
this is interesting
let's hear people's opinions on this
very interesting point
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Regrets I had a few but then again to few to mention.
1. Trying to gain weight. I was thin and had the real fast metabolism to be ripped but I spent at least 15 plus years drinking gain weight protein shakes that back in the day were filled with a crazy amount of calories.
2. Buying all these worthless supplements. I completely stopped them all.
3. Being a complete follower of Arthur Jones and Mentzer for so many decades.
4. Training heavy all the times. Never had joint issues till I reached about 53. Then the joints felt like all the tread was worn off the tires. I still train hard but some days my joints are so bad going up stairs are just painful. One shoulder hurts all the time.
5. Thinking every set had to be to failure to prove to my self I had a work ethic.
6. Never really giving volume a complete fair trial. Moderate weights and and fast pace is something I never tried. Too concerned with low sets to failure with heavy weights.
7. Some one said it before. I wish I just trained as an athlete instead of like a bodybuilder. I was a fantastic runner in my youth in both sprinting and to a lessor extent distance. I competed in sprinting in college but even then I could easily put together a string of sub 6 minute miles. I stopped running when I wanted muscles. Big mistake.
8. Believing there were secrets to be learned in the magazines. To all young bodybuilders there are no secrets except that steroids really work amazingly well. I don't use steroids and I don't recommend them.
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Regrets I had a few but then again to few to mention.
3. Being a complete follower of Arthur Jones and Mentzer for so many decades.
I wasted far too many years training like this for nothing. Big regret. Mentzer doesn't work the 3 energy systems of the body. He tried to make people think they were stupid training any other way then with his Heavy Duty 'fact.' For some it works well for about 5 weeks or so. Mike realized that people were lazy and wanted muscles in minutes so that is what he sold them. His writings were very convincing. The results were not. One thing I did learn from Larry Scott was how to repair the joints through varying exercises. Never doing the exact same motion too often but varying it slightly. Great for avoiding injuries.
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lol
this is interesting
let's hear people's opinions on this
very interesting point
Yeah, instead of 205 lbs I would have only hit 195 partying. Nope, gotta get that protein every 3 hours. That whole extra 10 lbs of muscle I gained was worth all the girls and hookers I could have pumped...NOT! Biggest regret in life.
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i'm gonna hit the clubs right now keanu
;D
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1) Training like a bodybuilder and not like an athlete.
2) Buying a bodybuilding magazine or book.
3) Buying gimmick supplements.
4) Wasting a good part of my 20s- early 30s living the strict bodybuilding lifestyle instead of partying more.
U too, :-\
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Maltodextrin
I was in for a shock when I found out all those "complex carbs" in weight gainers were actually worse than sugar and that I drank sometimes 100gs+ for "breakfast". Could have just been drinking Mtn Dew.
Now its just a pure whey shake with oatmeal mixed in. That is, if I don't discover that whey is just dried out lard.
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Maltodextrin
I was in for a shock when I found out all those "complex carbs" in weight gainers were actually worse than sugar and that I drank sometimes 100gs+ for "breakfast". Could have just been drinking Mtn Dew.
Now its just a pure whey shake with oatmeal mixed in. That is, if I don't discover that whey is just dried out lard.
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And drinking dog food muscle milk. :-X
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Maybe you can relate to having some form of bodybuilding regret?
In my case, I have some nagging regrets about NOT doing more bodybuilding stuff.
I don't regret avoiding extreme drug use or getting a good education and career.
I do regret NOT going to more major contests , like the Olympia each year.
I competed at least 40 times , but never competed in the Team Universe or Masters nationals, etc.
My diet has really sucked for the last 10 years and my workouts have been inconsistent at best.
I've gradually gone to less shows each year and quit judging 3 years ago.
I've decided to get back into hardcore bodybuilding on my own terms* ( no BB drugs).
I'll start simple, by cleaning up my diet and training on a consistent basis.
I hope to compete in a regional show next summer and the over 50 masters nationals.
Plus, I'll go to a couple pro contests as well next year.
I regret not seeing Ronnie Coleman in contest 98-2005. Started following sport in 2001 and by 2005 I had plenty of cash to go Vegas. Kept saying next year... we all know how that went with Ronnie. Wanted to go anyway then recession came and my business went to shit.
One time I was prepping to compete I got pneumonia and regressed to Holocaust status in a few weeks. Not sure I will ever compete, I can see my physique honestly - calves are shit no matter what, 6ft 2 so tall, shit arms (esp tris)... getting to photo shoot shape might be nice.
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Living in a world of regrets from your past you miss the joys and opportunities that are present today.
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Living in a world of regrets from your past you miss the joys and opportunities that are present today.
So i should start blasting 2.5g gear a week and get huge brah?
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So i should start blasting 2.5g gear a week and get huge brah?
Are you going to regret not doing it before it's too late?
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Could of got this extra curl out earlier, going to haunt me tonight.
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Are you going to regret not doing it before it's too late?
I dunno, i might. Guess that means i should blast 3g of gear just to be sure.
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Maltodextrin
I was in for a shock when I found out all those "complex carbs" in weight gainers were actually worse than sugar and that I drank sometimes 100gs+ for "breakfast". Could have just been drinking Mtn Dew.
Now its just a pure whey shake with oatmeal mixed in. That is, if I don't discover that whey is just dried out lard.
Whey protein is powdered cheese. It's a by product of cheese manufacturing that for the most part they use to throw out. Sometimes it was used as a means to make other types of cheese. Now they charge big bucks for it for protein powder.
Last time I looked 5lbs was nearly $50 bucks. I also noticed they all say lactose free but whey is full of lactose. I don't know how they claim that. If I use to much milk products I get the runs and stomach upset like you wouldn't believe. I tried the ones that claim lactose free but my stomach is saying liar,liar pants on fire.
One last point. All these whey protein brands claim to be better than the others with fancy science terms. Most of them source their powders from the same jobber source. How could they really be different except for favoring and vitamins added?
Whey is an incredible source of protein. I just believe that the profit margin on the stuff is just incredible judging by the price of a jug. It would be cheaper to stock up on eggs, cooked chickens and tuna at Costco and eat the food. I'd rather have 5 egg omelet than drinking those candy flavored whey protein drinks.
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Living in a world of regrets from your past you miss the joys and opportunities that are present today.
That's exactly why I'm focused on going to some pro events soon and competing ( again) next summer
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Wasting money on supplements and bulking. Not buying a lifetime supply of ECA pills before the US ban.
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Wasting money on supplements and bulking. Not buying a lifetime supply of ECA pills before the US ban.
" Diablo" thermogenics are ECA now...get 'em
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Never competing.
I would have been an elite pro,probably have a few Sandows on the Mantle
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Never competing.
I would have been an elite pro,probably have a few Sandows on the Mantle
groink>yates..
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groink>yates..
That's kind of my train of thought too. all those Sandows Yates lucked into because I wasn't competing would have easily been mine
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That's kind of my train of thought too. all those Sandows Yates lucked into because I wasn't competing would have easily been mine
8),, ;D
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back in 2000, a guy at the gym proposed me 200 dbol for a low price, i refused.
i was squatting 450lbs and deadlifting 550 naturally at that time.
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That's kind of my train of thought too. all those Sandows Yates lucked into because I wasn't competing would have easily been mine
why do you make light that you never were, and never will be, what you worship?
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why do you make light that you never were, and never will be, what you worship?
I worship a few things, bodybuilders not being one of them, mr. 5th place out of 5 ;)
get back to me when your genetics don't suck
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wow that was quick! speaking of placings, what have you placed? i forgot monday morning quarterbacks always place first. even though they don't compete. You still rolling in that 98 lexus your bro gave you? Or do you got another doozy story for us.
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wow that was quick! speaking of placings, what have you placed? i forgot monday morning quarterbacks always place first. even though they don't compete. You still rolling in that 98 lexus your bro gave you? Or do you got another doozy story for us.
so that's two shows, two dead last placings.
let's all listen to Dorian here tell us what it's like to compete at the highest level ::)
I walk around looking EONS better than you have ever looked onstage in your life.....hahahaahaahaaha haaa :D
why do you have "Competitor" stars ? a bit misleading, don't you have to be competitive to be a competitor ? not penciled in last place as soon as the judges see your frog face coming through the door
PROTIP
you have just been owned badly, responding will only make it worse
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here is the deal with reality. some can show up and compete, and be dealt with it, others can pretend they look a certain way never having had shown up to anything . Other than arraignments.
my placings? 2 recent 5th placings? did you place ahead of me?
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here is the deal with reality. some can show up and compete, and be dealt with it, others can pretend they look a certain way never having had shown up to anything . Other than arraignments.
my placings? 2 recent 5th placings? did you place ahead of me?
I have a better build than you,by a lot. you are a blocky white kid, probably think Jay Cutler was a great Mr O, devoid of any real detail, shape or roundness. you are a like a Boars Head Ham that got struck by lightning and achieved consciousness.
There is no need to compete, just need working eyeballs and a grasp on reality. and everyone who competes against you places ahead of you...so I like my chances ;)
but enjoy finishing last every time you do a show, maybe bring a mop next time, so when you don't get a single callout and you're offstage an hour before anyone else, you can clean the bathrooms for when the actual competitors are finished
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Je ne regrette rien
Really? You couldn't translate this? My bing translation doesn't work. Fuck >:(
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I have a better build than you,by a lot. you are a blocky white kid, probably think Jay Cutler was a great Mr O, devoid of any real detail, shape or roundness. you are a like a Boars Head Ham that got struck by lightning and achieved consciousness.
There is no need to compete, just need working eyeballs and a grasp on reality. and everyone who competes against you places ahead of you...so I like my chances ;)
but enjoy finishing last every time you do a show, maybe bring a mop next time, so when you don't get a single callout and you're offstage an hour before anyone else, you can clean the bathrooms for when the actual competitors are finished
have been in Ironman mag as well? blocky? 175lbs and running 10.6 100m? before bodybuilding. Your reaching very far. 3 first placings, 4 2nds, and yes last 2 shows 5th. And where have you competed again? where are your legs? can the Maricopa county sherrif find them?
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Maybe you can relate to having some form of bodybuilding regret?
In my case, I have some nagging regrets about NOT doing more bodybuilding stuff.
I don't regret avoiding extreme drug use or getting a good education and career.
I do regret NOT going to more major contests , like the Olympia each year.
I competed at least 40 times , but never competed in the Team Universe or Masters nationals, etc.
My diet has really sucked for the last 10 years and my workouts have been inconsistent at best.
I've gradually gone to less shows each year and quit judging 3 years ago.
I've decided to get back into hardcore bodybuilding on my own terms* ( no BB drugs).
I'll start simple, by cleaning up my diet and training on a consistent basis.
I hope to compete in a regional show next summer and the over 50 masters nationals.
Plus, I'll go to a couple pro contests as well next year.
With the exception of not competing more and living to my full potential, nothing really. In the past 40 years I have had the privilege of knowing, training and learning from some of the legends of the industry. Pearl, Dave Johns, Clinton Bererly, CF Smith, Mohammed Makkawy, Brignole, Leidelmyer, Paris, Aranita, Corney, Jim Morris and on and on and on. I literally have 40 years of stories. In that regard, no regrets.
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have been in Ironman mag as well? blocky? 175lbs and running 10.6 100m? before bodybuilding. Your reaching very far. 3 first placings, 4 2nds, and yes last 2 shows 5th. And where have you competed again? where are your legs? can the Maricopa county sherrif find them?
:D
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have been in Ironman mag as well? blocky? 175lbs and running 10.6 100m? before bodybuilding. Your reaching very far. 3 first placings, 4 2nds, and yes last 2 shows 5th. And where have you competed again? where are your legs? can the Maricopa county sherrif find them?
and yet not a single impressive pic from you in a decade.
why don't you post those last pics again? you know, where you're a fat piece of shit and you acted like you looked good...LOL
PS you're how old? mid thirties, late thirties ? and you're already falling off the map and finishing dead last.....LOLOL
I'm 50. and I'll bet money if we post pics right now, I destroy you. You're right, I'm not a competitor. I don't llok like shit 11 1/2 months out of the year, and then suck water for a few weeks and look good. I always look good
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you look good? according to your selfies? or the maricopa county sherifs mugshots that end up on Facebook?? cause thats all we have thats public on you? Will you hide and create another username? you are a epic pussy. By the way we should really just be friends. Ill meet you for a beer, just don't bring rec drugs ok
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you look good? according to your selfies? or the maricopa county sherifs mugshots that end up on Facebook?? cause thats all we have thats public on you? Will you hide and create another username? you are a epic pussy. By the way we should really just be friends. Ill meet you for a beer, just don't bring rec drugs ok
You can always post pics that look better, or you know...more nonsense words where you TELL us how much better you are :)
I'll pass on the beer, when the waitress and customers start asking me about bodybuilding, you'll just start whining all over again.
It would be educational for you to see me in person though. You'd realize how stupid you sound , and how much further you need to go to look truly impressive
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I regret fucking up my shoulder joints with all those heavy barbell, behind the neck presses. My delts would have been fine with just dumbbell presses and lateral raises.
I also regret every dime I ever spent on worthless supplements. When I first started bodybuilding I was young kid that had been bullshitted by Flex magazine. I did not understand that being a natural bodybuilder is a giant fucking waste of time. It's basically just pissing in the wind.
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Epic alien does make a good point, pictures (by themselves) and having a dream in your head of how good you actually may look is completely different than actually doing it and being compared with other bodybuilders on stage.
No matter what you think or want to dream up in your head, epic alien has gotten on stage. Whether he was 1st or last, he will always place in from of you because you have never competed.
Coulda,woda, shoda.....does not count in real life.
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Epic alien does make a good point, pictures (by themselves) and having a dream in your head of how good you actually may look is completely different than actually doing it and being compared with other bodybuilders on stage.
No matter what you think or want to dream up in your head, epic alien has gotten on stage. Whether he was 1st or last, he will always place in from of you because you have never competed.
Coulda,woda, shoda.....does not count in real life.
According to his best buddy ::)
A physique is a physique, on stage, in a mens fitness ad, wherever. Vince Goodrum completed too, I guess you think he has a better physique than the VAST MAJORITY of people on this board who have never compete also, or does this assinine logic only apply to your friend ;)
Thing is , I have always given competitors respect since I have been here. Your asshole friend apparently has a hard-on the size of Texas for me, for some imagined reason in his head. Or maybe I fucked his GF, when I first got to AZ...I was fucking a lot of girls and he's not very good looking.
Whatever the case, he's a disrespectful twat and he gets the same disrespect back. Very simple.
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Epic alien does make a good point, pictures (by themselves) and having a dream in your head of how good you actually may look is completely different than actually doing it and being compared with other bodybuilders on stage.
No matter what you think or want to dream up in your head, epic alien has gotten on stage. Whether he was 1st or last, he will always place in from of you because you have never competed.
Coulda,woda, shoda.....does not count in real life.
Groink onstage would be 210lbs tops.
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Groink onstage wouldI be 210lbs tops.
I have no desire to go "onstage". I realize the feeling of a thong caressing your anus in front of a bunch of homosexual men is paradise to you, I'm really not interested.
I dont care what I woud weigh .
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I have no desire to go "onstage". I realize the feeling of a thong caressing your anus in front of a bunch of homosexual men is paradise to you, I'm really not interested.
I dont care what I woud weigh .
Its just giving you a reality check of how much water bloat you carry around thats all.
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Its just giving you a reality check of how much water bloat you carry around thats all.
You mean like when your stomach was sticking out further than your chest on vacation, when you weighed a whopping 210 ? I guess you would be 165 then...hahahaha.
With 14 inch arms :D
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I have a better build than you,by a lot. you are a blocky white kid, probably think Jay Cutler was a great Mr O, devoid of any real detail, shape or roundness. you are a like a Boars Head Ham that got struck by lightning and achieved consciousness.
There is no need to compete, just need working eyeballs and a grasp on reality. and everyone who competes against you places ahead of you...so I like my chances ;)
but enjoy finishing last every time you do a show, maybe bring a mop next time, so when you don't get a single callout and you're offstage an hour before anyone else, you can clean the bathrooms for when the actual competitors are finished
LOLOLOLOLOLOL OMG
perhaps your best line yet
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You mean like when your stomach was sticking out further than your chest on vacation, when you weighed a whopping 210 ? I guess you would be 165 then...hahahaha.
With 14 inch arms :D
Well having been onstage at 200lbs I know what my real bodyweight actually is.
Try a strict diet and find out for yourself what yours is.
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You mean like when your stomach was sticking out further than your chest on vacation, when you weighed a whopping 210 ? I guess you would be 165 then...hahahaha.
With 14 inch arms :D
You seem to have changed your tune since June
Nice work my friend. nothing better than being almost 50, and a 20-something couple walks by, and the girl eye-fucks you...the guy knows full well she did it, and can't do a goddamn thing about it. and you give him that look like " haha, I can fuck your girl if I want, plus I have a big cock". :D
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Epic alien does make a good point, pictures (by themselves) and having a dream in your head of how good you actually may look is completely different than actually doing it and being compared with other bodybuilders on stage.
No matter what you think or want to dream up in your head, epic alien has gotten on stage. Whether he was 1st or last, he will always place in from of you because you have never competed.
Coulda,woda, shoda.....does not count in real life.
on the other hand vic richards makes a lot of good point in this video about "to compete or to not compet"
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Many guys look great in photos/selfies but a lot less impressive on stage.
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Many guys look great in photos/selfies but a lot less impressive on stage.
factors,,better genetic,better shaped competitors for one put it in perspective,lighting good or bad,bad color,and wearing next to nothing onstage shows all flaws up and down/side to side.shows balance or lack of therefore
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factors,,better genetic,better shaped competitors for one put it in perspective,lighting good or bad,bad color,and wearing next to nothing onstage shows all flaws up and down/side to side.shows balance or lack of therefore
For sure, not to mention when the sweats come off who is really in shape.
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You seem to have changed your tune since June
he is a compulsive liar. whats he going to do when he is 60? 10 years from now, Will he still be on a bodybuilding message board saying he doesn't like bodybuilding?
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he is a compulsive liar. whats he going to do when he is 60? 10 years from now, Will he still be on a bodybuilding message board saying he doesn't like bodybuilding?
If he's really 50, then that's really sad. He should feel sorry for himself. His language and meltdown sounds as though he's 13. All talk, yet still not 1 photo. Probably better...I wouldn't wanna see pics of an old grouch. Just sounds like jealousy to me...he claims to know what you look like, so I'm sure there's envy floating inside him. Poor thing!
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If he's really 50, then that's really sad. He should feel sorry for himself. His language and meltdown sounds as though he's 13. All talk, yet still not 1 photo. Probably better...I wouldn't wanna see pics of an old grouch. Just sounds like jealousy to me...he claims to know what you look like, so I'm sure there's envy floating inside him. Poor thing!
That's great except you have it exactly backwards you retarded twat. Iv'e posted Dozens of pics...Epic_Asswipe just runs his mouth.
you might want to pay attention a little better ;)
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I regret ever touching a weight, now that i'm big getting a date with a good looking woman is damn near impossible. When I was skinny I couldn't keep up with how many hot slimmers wanted me. Now i'm forced to pay for sex so yeah I consider that a major regret.
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You mean like when your stomach was sticking out further than your chest on vacation, when you weighed a whopping 210 ? I guess you would be 165 then...hahahaha.
With 14 inch arms :D
HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!@!!!!
Funny how twinks tend to "step onstage" more than genetically blessed and naturally massive top sirloin like us.
I kinda get it but the thought of having my rectum flossed and homos with cameras lurking the backstage of a highschool doesn't make me crave a plastic statue of a "man"
CompensatingSpeed.
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I regret ever touching a weight, now that i'm big getting a date with a good looking woman is damn near impossible. When I was skinny I couldn't keep up with how many hot slimmers wanted me. Now i'm forced to pay for sex so yeah I consider that a major regret.
that's what happens once you cross that line of 260lbs ripped 5'11"
beyond that you start looking like a disgusting mess more often than not
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I regret competing when my heart and effort wasn't really into it anymore, success came early and easily it bred complacency and I ended up getting beaten by people who were genetically inferior particularly as level of competition improved, and with it higher levels of drug use, I should never have been there, I wasn't prepared to do the mgs required. Genetics are a big thing in the sport, but when you all have them drugs can make up the difference and access quality and level of use can be the difference. In hindsight should have just trained and not competed, if your not prepared to do the time dont do the crime.
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According to his best buddy ::)
A physique is a physique, on stage, in a mens fitness ad, wherever. Vince Goodrum completed too, I guess you think he has a better physique than the VAST MAJORITY of people on this board who have never compete also, or does this assinine logic only apply to your friend ;)
Thing is , I have always given competitors respect since I have been here. Your asshole friend apparently has a hard-on the size of Texas for me, for some imagined reason in his head. Or maybe I fucked his GF, when I first got to AZ...I was fucking a lot of girls and he's not very good looking.
Whatever the case, he's a disrespectful twat and he gets the same disrespect back. Very simple.
Maybe....maybe ...no in regards to vince...he ..and epic have a placing...you have a placing in your mind...and until you are compared it will not be know...all this is an assumptions otherwise..
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Groink onstage would be 210lbs tops.
50lb more that you've ever been. Not bad for his first time.
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Maybe....maybe ...no in regards to vince...he ..and epic have a placing...you have a placing in your mind...and until you are compared it will not be know...all this is an assumptions otherwise..
I have no desire to compete, I have no placing in my mind. it's not something I think about.
I would give your buddy his props too, as I do all competitors....but he seems to be a bit obsessed with me and shows me no respect, so fuck him.
I really can't be any clearer than that
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I have no desire to compete, I have no placing in my mind. it's not something I think about.
I would give your buddy his props too, as I do all competitors....but he seems to be a bit obsessed with me and shows me no respect, so fuck him.
I really can't be any clearer than that
Best "Placing" scenarios:
1- Delts day at the gym, just walking around... who get the attention...
2- Shopping at Costco, elbows on the cart, checking out some kirkland "chicken breasts"... Milfs lurking
3- Helping community kids, who they go for and swing on your forearms all smiley..
Scorecard = perfect of peace and no homos were involved.
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Best "Placing" scenarios:
1- Delts day at the gym, just walking around... who get the attention...
2- Shopping at Costco, elbows on the cart, checking out some kirkland "chicken breasts"... Milfs lurking
3- Helping community kids, who they go for and swing on your forearms all smiley..
Scorecard = perfect of peace and no homos were involved.
are you implying that Epic_Asswipe is only comfortable hitting certain "poses".
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I don't really "regret" anything but... damn I was stubborn and stupid as hell. Wish I hadn't wrecked my body trying to be something I'm not.
I learned too much about life to regret my "bodybuilding" misadventures.
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I don't really "regret" anything but... damn I was stubborn and stupid as hell. Wish I hadn't wrecked my body trying to be something I'm not.
I learned too much about life to regret my "bodybuilding" misadventures.
going heavy and shit like that ?
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going heavy and shit like that ?
Yeah, although there is a lot to the "like that" portion of it. I walked around for the better part of a decade with a bad conscience, unless I had just wrecked myself in the gym. Nowadays I can't even get a pump, and I have to accept the fact that I was just never cut out for being huge and lean.
Still, once in a blue moon the stars align and I can squat 315 again for a rep or two, or get a big pump, and I have delusions of putting on 20 lbs and squatting 500 lbs as I lay in bed, trying to fall asleep. And without fail, it all comes crashing down when I have trouble walking up the hill outside my house the next day :D
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Yeah, although there is a lot to the "like that" portion of it. I walked around for the better part of a decade with a bad conscience, unless I had just wrecked myself in the gym. Nowadays I can't even get a pump, and I have to accept the fact that I was just never cut out for being huge and lean.
Still, once in a blue moon the stars align and I can squat 315 again for a rep or two, or get a big pump, and I have delusions of putting on 20 lbs and squatting 500 lbs as I lay in bed, trying to fall asleep. And without fail, it all comes crashing down when I have trouble walking up the hill outside my house the next day :D
Ha
I think you're a little too hard on yourself..the pics I've seen you had a good build for a tall guy
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That's great except you have it exactly backwards you retarded twat. Iv'e posted Dozens of pics...Epic_Asswipe just runs his mouth.
you might want to pay attention a little better ;)
Eww...who says "twat?" Yuck
I've never noticed your pics. Sorry for not paying better attention. ...but it's cuz you're 50, that's why I'd never notice you. Or probably cuz there was nothing worth noticing. I don't know! But that's just me!
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ouch.
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maybe getting to involved with bjj/mma training back in 97,i didnt have the energy to lift alot doing that 4 to 5 days aweek.once i got to a certain level and realized i was never gonna make it to ufc cause of my age i started focusin on lifting again
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maybe getting to involved with bjj/mma training back in 97,i didnt have the energy to lift alot doing that 4 to 5 days aweek.once i got to a certain level and realized i was never gonna make it to ufc cause of my age i started focusin on lifting again
bjj is fucking retarded
people i know who do bjj all have funny looking ears, recurring ring worm infections on their face, they are borderline homos enjoying rolling around with sweaty men, they all turn into skinny fat twinks over time, stop believing in weight training and protein, take up bizarre exercise routines and dietary habbits
oh brother
bjj
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HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!@!!!!
Funny how twinks tend to "step onstage" more than genetically blessed and naturally massive top sirloin like us.
I kinda get it but the thought of having my rectum flossed and homos with cameras lurking the backstage of a highschool doesn't make me crave a plastic statue of a "man"
CompensatingSpeed.
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i426/alexgauthier24/pub/HAPPYTHANKSGIVING010_zps1c9d5ffb.jpg) (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/alexgauthier24/media/pub/HAPPYTHANKSGIVING010_zps1c9d5ffb.jpg.html)
the big-boned, creepy and misogynistic stalker is back i see. how's things chubs? diet starting next week, yeah?
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I would have never bulked as a natural.
False sense of strength and size.
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bjj is fucking retarded
people i know who do bjj all have funny looking ears, recurring ring worm infections on their face, they are borderline homos enjoying rolling around with sweaty men, they all turn into skinny fat twinks over time, stop believing in weight training and protein, take up bizarre exercise routines and dietary habbits
oh brother
bjj
thats the whole point, i want to be able to rape any one i want by forcefully holding them on the floor and ramming my meat inside them
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ouch.
maybe a fake woman trying to push your buttons online, by saying she has never seen your pics would make you feel "ouch", me not so much ;)
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maybe a fake woman trying to push your buttons online, by saying she has never seen your pics would make you feel "ouch", me not so much ;)
Yes that's exactly what I was trying to do ::) fake man lol
It's called "honesty"...not "pushing buttons"
I really "honestly" haven't seen your pics. Really...I haven't. So if you'd really like me to see them, post them up. I'll have nothing to say, I promise...good or bad, I'll just look. :)
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Ya that's exactly what I was trying to do ::) fake man lol
It's called "honesty"...not "pushing buttons"
I really "honestly" haven't seen your pics. Really.,..I haven't. So if you'd really like me to see them, post them up. I'll have nothing to say, I promise...good or bad, I'll just look. :)
not a pressing need
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thats the whole point, i want to be able to rape any one i want by forcefully holding them on the floor and ramming my meat inside them
X2 seriously this.
I know an older bjj brown belt who is also huge and has bodybuilded since his teens , pple know he's a bit of a nutbar so wide birth is given ; No one will roll with this guy because of his weird vice of choking people unconscious and taking sparring too far up to and including some disturbing christian activities
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My one bodybuilding related mistake, Howard,
is that time I read one of your posts
However, I learned from that mistake
I grew as a human.
And I have to say that great brick wall of Chinese aids Text block you posted in the OP
It looks roughly as appetizing as tossing George Zimmerman's salad
In other words, you are a faggat.
And all your posts are essays as interesting as a meth head power bottom's hypothetical diatribes on what's Big In LA--RIGHT NOW!
Please learn to post better. Cutting off your hands would do the trick.
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I regret ever touching a weight, now that i'm big getting a date with a good looking woman is damn near impossible. When I was skinny I couldn't keep up with how many hot slimmers wanted me. Now i'm forced to pay for sex so yeah I consider that a major regret.
Just give in to the "dark side" and get busy with grapefruit like a real pro ;D
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I regret ever touching a weight, now that i'm big getting a date with a good looking woman is damn near impossible. When I was skinny I couldn't keep up with how many hot slimmers wanted me. Now i'm forced to pay for sex so yeah I consider that a major regret.
what is your bf%, weight, height and arm girth?
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Paying for those stupid fucking magazines(flex, md), believing what was written in them. Buying shit like RTD's and any kinda supplement. waiting till 30 to get on, caring how much i squat, bench, dl
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Legends never disappear. It's good to be one.
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what is your bf%, weight, height and arm girth?
12% 212-215 , 5 8 , 18.5-18 3/4
Ever since I got more serious w deadlifts 6 years ago my shoulders have grown to a grotesque powerlifter like shape I think this has alot to do with it.
The big black zulu women love me ;D
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12% 212-215 , 5 8 , 18.5-18 3/4
Ever since I got more serious w deadlifts 6 years ago my shoulders have grown to a grotesque powerlifter like shape I think this has alot to do with it.
The big black zulu women love me ;D
well thats just perfect
why u complaining
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Just give in to the "dark side" and get busy with grapefruit like a real pro ;D
Just gave in , as of yesterday i'm continuing my sus deca adventure into hell so there is no going back.
I will take your advice and embrace rejection but not the grapefruit , its too sour , I prefer the taste of zulu pussy these days 8)
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well thats just perfect
why u complaining
Everyone longs for the whitest pussy.
btw When you gonna post more pics of you w more of those fine young brown slimmers at the after hours club ?
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Just gave in , as of yesterday i'm continuing my sus deca adventure into hell so there is no going back.
I will take your advice and embrace rejection but not the grapefruit , its too sour , I prefer the taste of zulu pussy these days 8)
Welcome to 1986.
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I don't believe in looking back, I believe in looking forward. No regrets here.
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I wish I was just a runner who did body weight exercises after a run. I would be lean ripped and have great athletic build. Instead I lifted weights for 40 plus years when I was a good sprinter and I was above average in distance runs. I run now at 55 and it's just embarrassing how slow I run. If I run a slow 7 minute mile it feels like I'm flying but I know it's slug running. Going to give up heavy lifting too and concentrate on exhausting the muscle with light weights.
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I regret wasting money on those Weider protein powders they sold in the early 80's. Stuff didn't mix worth shit, it tasted like ass. Plain old regular food has always been my best source for gains.
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I regret wasting money on those Weider protein powders they sold in the early 80's. Stuff didn't mix worth shit, it tasted like ass. Plain old regular food has always been my best source for gains.
x2
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Yep, weight gain packs that lasted a week you had to by a months worth to try and gain any weight.
You get the same results just eating 2 tubs of peanut butter a week.
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Yep, weight gain packs that lasted a week you had to by a months worth to try and gain any weight.
You get the same results just eating 2 tubs of peanut butter a week.
and the killer was all weider shit in the 80,s was just that(shit) all suger and other bullshit with barely any protien ::)
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and the killer was all weider shit in the 80,s was just that(shit) all suger and other bullshit with barely any protien ::)
weider WEIGHT GAINER whole milk added ,,holy cow ,stomach/diarrera almost immediantley..
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weider WEIGHT GAINER whole milk added ,,holy cow ,stomach/diarrera almost immediantley..
Yeah, old school Weider protein gave me mega farts and bloat. The only time I had worse farts was when I tried desiccated liver tabs. The stuff didn't blend worth a shit. You'd blend the stuff like crazy, and poof! There would still be a huge chunk of dry protein powder that would pop to the surface in a big glob. The chocolate looked like chocolate, but tasted like Chalk. Gag!!
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