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Has hell frozen over? Bill Maher standing up for Christians?
Wtf? seriously?
watch the video!
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/09/11/bill-maher-absolutely-crushes-charlie-rose-comparing-islam-christianity
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That was pretty good. Kinda like Bono becoming more conservative in some ways.
Thanks!
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The tides are turning...
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Has hell frozen over? Bill Maher standing up for Christians?
Wtf? seriously?
watch the video!
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/09/11/bill-maher-absolutely-crushes-charlie-rose-comparing-islam-christianity
Bill Maher has a lot of hate for religion but he baby steps around christianity and judaism since he's 1/2 and 1/2
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Has hell frozen over? Bill Maher standing up for Christians?
Wtf? seriously?
watch the video!
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/09/11/bill-maher-absolutely-crushes-charlie-rose-comparing-islam-christianity
I love Bill, but i disagree with him on this point....
See... its is possible to not walk lockstep 100% all the time with a person.
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I just gained a massive amount of respect for Maher
I liked him before as well
I'm going to post a similar video here as soon as I get back to my computer
Same exact situation but more brutal owning; same set up too... During a Un conference held at Harvard this month
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=549754.0;topicseen
why post same thread on 2 boards in under 2 minutes
lol
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You can't really argue with the Libtards though, they are as brainwashed as any Muslim is. The problem is they begin with the premise that most people are basically good and build from there. Their initial premise is wrong, so everything that stems from it will also be faulty and dysfunctional. If the current amount of evidence doesn't sway them to reconsidering their views on Islam, then the poor fuckers are doomed. They are like those naive journos who travel to the middle east and befriend Islamic radicals only to find themselves beheaded when they are no longer required.
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I love Bill, but i disagree with him on this point....
See... its is possible to not walk lockstep 100% all the time with a person.
84% in Egypt believe in the death penalty as punishment for leaving Islam
Jordan (86% in favor), Indonesia (30% in favor), Pakistan (76% favor) and Nigeria (51% in favor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
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Still. Hard to be self righteous when your armies are on the other side of someone
else's elsez's border for... I've lost count... better than a decade.
You wouldn't be a little pissed off, form some militant groups, maybe lop off some enemy heads on YouTube if 9/11/01 resulted in an occupying army claiming military governance of NY state for 13 years? Terrorist!
What a complete propaganda shit show. Gulf War 1 '90 was about our oil interests. Gulf War 2-infinity is about 'our' oil. Money. Money & interests. How are you not taking a leak on the White House lawn right now? American kids are dying far, far from home for this nonsense. It's not some weird liberal claim. It's not religion or a 'clash of cultures.' It's straight up oil money. We have an army there fighting and dying for it. Are you kidding me?
Bring our people home. Stop telling them that they're heroes for getting their limbs blown off for the sake of Texaco. When they attack us. Here. Retaliate in kind. Against the right target. I've never seen such a banquet of bullshit.
Sure, I'll give you an example. Go to a bar. Some guy spills beer on your shoe so you beat the shit out of the other guys he's with for 12 years (but not the guy who spilled the beer). If they get shitty about it you say "Ah ha! I knew you we're against me! See how you just tried to retaliate!" Then you kick his ass some more and take his wallet.
Think carefully now. When's the last time we weren't either at war or told we were under threat from someone who was out to get us? Get in a bar fight one weekend and it's a shame. Get in a barfight every weekend for 70 years and maybe the problem is you and your policy. The ME war is a victory of advertising.
What's that whoosing sound overhea...
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Has hell frozen over? Bill Maher standing up for Christians?
Wtf? seriously?
watch the video!
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/09/11/bill-maher-absolutely-crushes-charlie-rose-comparing-islam-christianity
Trust me when I say this.....ole Bill Maher is not standing up for Christians.
All he did was point out that Christianity and Islam are not the same.....that there are different commands in the Quran for Muslims than there are for Christians in the bible.
Give him 10 minutes and he'll rant until he's red-faced and dry-mouthed about everything he hates about Christianity, Christians, God and the bible.
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Trust me when I say this.....ole Bill Maher is not standing up for Christians.
All he did was point out that Christianity and Islam are not the same and that. He
Give him 10 minutes and he'll rant until he's red-faced and dry-mouthed about everything he hates about Christianity, Christians, God and the bible.
So, what is wrong with that? Does it offend you when he does that?
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He broke it down
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So, what is wrong with that? Does it offend you when he does that?
Is there anything wrong with it?
A state of "right" and "wrong" depends upon the foundations of those notions. I put forth a moral lawgiver in the form of God to determine that condition.
Bill is free to engage in any behavior during his lifetime (this allowed per God), but again that behavior is deemed "right" or "wrong" based purely upon God's standards imposed upon his creation. You can do and say what you want in this lifetime, but that doesn't mean it's without consequences...even if man's government says "in this country you can freely say whatever you want".
Does it offend me when he does that?
Sometimes what he says I find offensive, but I support his right to speak freely even if I don't like what he's saying. Again, I personally consider the divine repurcussions of speaking freely about things that offend God.....that's a higher, transcendent standard that I personally consider for myself and I put forth for others to consider.
Do I always succeed in saying the right things that please God? LOL, no....but I try to.
All I said previously is that Bill is not supporting Christians. He's just noting that there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. Fact is, he supports neither one but at least acknowledges a difference. Currently the focus is in on an extremist sect of Islam. He may dislike one more than the other, but he definitely dislikes both.
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Why doesn't religion get treated like race? Just take Bill Maher's rant and replace muslim or christrian with the work black and he'd be banned from TV for every but you can bash religion and make a career out of it.
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Is there anything wrong with it?
A state of "right" and "wrong" depends upon the foundations of those notions. I put forth a moral lawgiver in the form of God to determine that condition.
Bill is free to engage in any behavior during his lifetime (this allowed per God), but again that behavior is deemed "right" or "wrong" based purely upon God's standards imposed upon his creation. You can do and say what you want in this lifetime, but that doesn't mean it's without consequences...even if man's government says "in this country you can freely say whatever you want".
Does it offend me when he does that?
Sometimes what he says I find offensive, but I support his right to speak freely even if I don't like what he's saying. Again, I personally consider the divine repurcussions of speaking freely about things that offend God.....that's a higher, transcendent standard that I personally consider for myself and I put forth for others to consider.
Do I always succeed in saying the right things that please God? LOL, no....but I try to.
All I said previously is that Bill is not supporting Christians. He's just noting that there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. Fact is, he supports neither one but at least acknowledges a difference. Currently the focus is in on an extremist sect of Islam. He may dislike one more than the other, but he definitely dislikes both.
Bullshit speculation. Nothing will happen to him when he dies. If it makes you feel better to believe that Bill will burn in hell for all eternity for the things he says, so be it. Whatever makes you sleep better at night, tubby. :D :D
Why would you even get slightly offended? How old are you? People say offensive things to people all the time. Seriously, grow up. Religious people are the biggest cry babies.
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Why doesn't religion get treated like race? Just take Bill Maher's rant and replace muslim or christrian with the work black and he'd be banned from TV for every but you can bash religion and make a career out of it.
To a certain extent, I am guessing because religion is a choice. Being black or White or Spanish is not.
People tend to be more sensitive toward things in which one has no choice about (race, being born with a physical disability, etc).
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Still. Hard to be self righteous when your armies are on the other side of someone else's elsez's border for... I've lost count... better than a decade.
You wouldn't be a little pissed off, form some militant groups, maybe lop off some enemy heads on YouTube if 9/11/01 resulted in an occupying army claiming military governance of NY state for 13 years? Terrorist!
What a complete propaganda shit show. Gulf War 1 '90 was about our oil interests. Gulf War 2-infinity is about 'our' oil. Money. Money & interests. How are you not taking a leak on the White House lawn right now? American kids are dying far, far from home for this nonsense. It's not some weird liberal claim. It's not religion or a 'clash of cultures.' It's straight up oil money. We have an army there fighting and dying for it. Are you kidding me?
Bring our people home. Stop telling them that they're heroes for getting their limbs blown off for the sake of Texaco. When they attack us. Here. Retaliate in kind. Against the right target. I've never seen such a banquet of bullshit.
Sure, I'll give you an example. Go to a bar. Some guy spills beer on your shoe so you beat the shit out of the other guys he's with for 12 years (but not the guy who spilled the beer). If they get shitty about it you say "Ah ha! I knew you we're against me! See how you just tried to retaliate!" Then you kick his ass some more and take his wallet.
Think carefully now. When's the last time we weren't either at war or told we were under threat from someone who was out to get us? Get in a bar fight one weekend and it's a shame. Get in a barfight every weekend for 70 years and maybe the problem is you and your policy. The ME war is a victory of advertising.
What's that whoosing sound overhea...
Who is this crazy person? We're trying to have a good old mouth frothing session and he turns up with all this politics stuff. We don't want to think about shit. Just tell me who to hate and feed me a reason.
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Bullshit speculation. Nothing will happen to him when he dies. If it makes you feel better to believe that Bill will burn in hell for all eternity for the things he says, so be it. Whatever makes you sleep better at night, tubby. :D :D
Why would you even get slightly offended? How old are you? People say offensive things to people all the time. Seriously, grow up. Religious people are the biggest cry babies.
"Cry babies" are folks that lash out at others when something like this offends them instead of attempting to speak rationally and logically with them.
Now, if you'll recall, I didn't open my comments by talking about how offended I was by Bill's comments. I responded to the first poster who suggested that "Bill Maher is standing up for Christians". Again, as I stated, "Bill is not supporting Christians. He's just noting that there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. Fact is, he supports neither one but at least acknowledges a difference. Currently the focus is in on an extremist sect of Islam. He may dislike one more than the other, but he definitely dislikes both."
Bill is very clear that he neither likes nor supports Christianity or Islam.....I've only reiterated his publically repeated sentiments. Never once did I inject my individual opinion. You asked me if I find Bill's comments offensive. So I answered you and said that "sometimes what he says I find offensive, but I support his right to speak freely even if I don't like what he's saying."
Now two questions for you:
1) If I take pleasure in seeing people "burn in hell" why do I continue to share my faith and the gospel of Christ with them?
2) Why do you take the time to post in virtually every "religious" thread on the G&O?
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"Cry babies" are folks that lash out at others when something like this offends them instead of attempting to speak rationally and logically with them.
Now, if you'll recall, I didn't open my comments by talking about how offended I was by Bill's comments. I responded to the first poster who suggested that "Bill Maher is standing up for Christians". Again, as I stated, "Bill is not supporting Christians. He's just noting that there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. Fact is, he supports neither one but at least acknowledges a difference. Currently the focus is in on an extremist sect of Islam. He may dislike one more than the other, but he definitely dislikes both."
Bill is very clear that he neither likes nor supports Christianity or Islam.....I've only reiterated his publically repeated sentiments. Never once did I inject my individual opinion. You asked me if I find Bill's comments offensive. So I answered you and said that "sometimes what he says I find offensive, but I support his right to speak freely even if I don't like what he's saying."
Now two questions for you:
1) If I take pleasure in seeing people "burn in hell" why do I continue to share my faith and the gospel of Christ with them?
2) Why do you take the time to post in virtually every "religious" thread on the G&O?
Question 1 so dumb that I am not even going to answer it. If you really think that sharing your faith is going to help people avoid burning in hell for all eternity then you are truly delusional. Way to buoy yourself up and try to make yourself feel good about yourself. Pathetic.
Question 2: Because I can. Religion does not hold its "right" as it once did 500 hundred years ago. Back then, if you talked out against the church you were killed. I am glad we live in a time when one can openly criticize religion for the nonsense it is. So, I take the time to post in religious threads because I can.
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Question 1 so dumb that I am not even going to answer it. If you really think that sharing your faith is going to help people avoid burning in hell for all eternity then you are truly delusional. Way to buoy yourself up and try to make yourself feel good about yourself. Pathetic.
Question 2: Because I can. Religion does not hold its "right" as it once did 500 hundred years ago. Back then, if you talked out against the church you were killed. I am glad we live in a time when one can openly criticize religion for the nonsense it is. So, I take the time to post in religious threads because I can.
You won't answer question 1 because it's "so dumb" and then you insulted me twice calling me delusional and then pathetic. I'll just leave that right there where it is.
Your answer for question 2 is "because I can because religion does not hold its 'right' ".
We have an entire religion board where you can also freely post, but you never visit it. Why not?
Can you give me more historical context about the church's "right" that you noted so I can understand?
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http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/unusual-answer-panelist-receives-standing-ovation-benghazi-coalition (http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/unusual-answer-panelist-receives-standing-ovation-benghazi-coalition)
'if you guys liked the bill Maher video posted
WATCH THIS clip. and read the article. It puts this into... such plain terms (the muslim problem)
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Has hell frozen over? Bill Maher standing up for Christians?
Wtf? seriously?
watch the video!
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/09/11/bill-maher-absolutely-crushes-charlie-rose-comparing-islam-christianity
???
He has said this for nearly two decades now. Why is this so shocking to you?
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Here is another liberal that REALLY gets to the heart of the matter about Islam.
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You won't answer question 1 because it's "so dumb" and then you insulted me twice calling me delusional and then pathetic. I'll just leave that right there where it is.
Your answer for question 2 is "because I can because religion does not hold its 'right' ".
We have an entire religion board where you can also freely post, but you never visit it. Why not?
Can you give me more historical context about the church's "right" that you noted so I can understand?
I implicitly answered question 1. You spreading the word does not indicate in no way that you care whether or not people burn in hell for all eternity.
I figured since youre an adult, I do not have to "spell" everything out for you.
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I implicitly answered question 1. You spreading the word does not indicate in no way that you care whether or not people burn in hell for all eternity.
I figured since youre an adult, I do not have to "spell" everything out for you.
Doesn't my consistent desire to share my faith imply my intentions towards others' in regards to how they spend eternity? To be plain, if I wanted others to "burn in hell" wouldn't I avoid telling them about Christ? It doesn't follow logically that I would share my faith in Christ and desire those I share with to "burn in hell".
Would you go ahead and spell it out for me?
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Doesn't it imply my intentions towards others?
Would you go ahead and spell it out for me?
It implies a very half-assed intentions toward others. Wow, spreading the word. Big whoop. Its like praying for world peace, instead of actually joining an organization that attempts to create world peace through action. The fact that you actually think you're doing something meaningful by spreading the word of Christ is laughable.
If you consider spreading the word a benevolent intention toward others, then I truly feel sorry for you.
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It implies a very half-assed intentions toward others. Wow, spreading the word. Big whoop. Its like praying for world peace, instead of actually joining an organization that attempts to create world peace through action.
If you consider spreading the word a benevolent intention toward others, then I truly feel sorry for you.
Ok, I think I've invested enough time in this now.
Have a good day.
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Doesn't my consistent desire to share my faith imply my intentions towards others' in regards to how they spend eternity? To be plain, if I wanted others to "burn in hell" wouldn't I avoid telling them about Christ? It doesn't follow logically that I would share my faith in Christ and desire those I share with to "burn in hell".
Would you go ahead and spell it out for me?
Why not just keep that shit to yourself?
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Ok, I think I've invested enough time in this now.
Have a good day.
What did I say that was so wrong? Because I used the word "half-assed?"
There you go. Running away with your toy while throwing a temper tantrum because I hurt your poor, little feelings. :'( :'(
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Why not just keep that shit to yourself?
The same reason why most religious people can't keep it to themselves. They think they are on a mission to spread the good word and deliver us all from the powerful grip of Satan. ::) ::)
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Why not just keep that shit to yourself?
That's neither what believers are commanded to do nor is it what I desire to do. I lovingly share with others what I've experienced so that they can make a choice for Christ also.
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The same reason why most religious people can't keep it to themselves. They think they are on a mission to spread the good word and deliver us all from the powerful grip of Satan. ::) ::)
Wait, wait...I thought it wasn't clear what my intentions were. Suddenly you grasp it....excellent!!
Although to be clear, I can't deliver you from anything. Jesus Christ is the only way.
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Wait, wait...I thought it wasn't clear what my intentions were. Suddenly you grasp it....excellent!!
Although to be clear, I can't deliver you from anything. Jesus Christ is the only way.
Man, you are dense.
I KNEW what your intentions were. I did not know I had to spell it out to you, as you obviously knew what your own intentions are. I explained what your intentions were by being implicit. I did not know I had to be explicit, which is why I wrote, "I figured since youre an adult, I do not have to "spell" everything out for you."
I grasped it from the beginning. Religion has muddled your brain. :-\ :-\
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Man, you are dense.
I KNEW what your intentions were. I did not know I had to spell it out to you, as you obviously knew what your own intentions are. I explained what your intentions were by being implicit. I did not know I had to be explicit, which is why I wrote, "I figured since youre an adult, I do not have to "spell" everything out for you."
I grasped it from the beginning. Religion has muddled your brain. :-\ :-\
I know you knew LOL.....come now.
I just need an atheist to ask you all my questions.
Suddenly the vague answers vanish.
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I know.
I just need an atheist to ask you all my questions.
Suddenly the vague answers vanish.
The vagueness only vanished because I was getting tired and annoyed of having to spell everything out to a grown man. Basically, for you to understand I need to talk to you like I would a 7-year old. :-\ :-\
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The vagueness only vanished because I was getting tired and annoyed of having to spell everything out to a grown man. Basically, for you to understand I need to talk to you like I would a 7-year old. :-\ :-\
LOL
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Why not just keep that shit to yourself?
Why not vent your crap on someone else? Choose me, little man. I could care less about the state of your soul and more about your manners here. MoS is a good man, far better than I could ever be and yet you belittle him because of that and more?
You are no match for me and in the real world as here I would so disparage your incompetence and misguided hatred for all that is good about the Christ and those that truly follow Him so that you would piss your soul in abject terror at the thought of ever encountering such as I again.
In other words, go intercourse yourself you pathetic pussbag. I am what you can only pretend to be. A man.
I can respect a difference of opinion or for that matter faith or the lack thereof, but not what you vomit up toward MoS.
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You can't really argue with the Libtards though, they are as brainwashed as any Muslim is. The problem is they begin with the premise that most people are basically good and build from there. Their initial premise is wrong, so everything that stems from it will also be faulty and dysfunctional. If the current amount of evidence doesn't sway them to reconsidering their views on Islam, then the poor fuckers are doomed. They are like those naive journos who travel to the middle east and befriend Islamic radicals only to find themselves beheaded when they are no longer required.
Great insight - every scholar worth his Toga would love to be part of your Republic.
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Is there anything wrong with it?
A state of "right" and "wrong" depends upon the foundations of those notions. I put forth a moral lawgiver in the form of God to determine that condition.
Bill is free to engage in any behavior during his lifetime (this allowed per God), but again that behavior is deemed "right" or "wrong" based purely upon God's standards imposed upon his creation. You can do and say what you want in this lifetime, but that doesn't mean it's without consequences...even if man's government says "in this country you can freely say whatever you want".
Does it offend me when he does that?
Sometimes what he says I find offensive, but I support his right to speak freely even if I don't like what he's saying. Again, I personally consider the divine repurcussions of speaking freely about things that offend God.....that's a higher, transcendent standard that I personally consider for myself and I put forth for others to consider.
Do I always succeed in saying the right things that please God? LOL, no....but I try to.
All I said previously is that Bill is not supporting Christians. He's just noting that there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. Fact is, he supports neither one but at least acknowledges a difference. Currently the focus is in on an extremist sect of Islam. He may dislike one more than the other, but he definitely dislikes both.
God's standards? You mean the same God that commanded Moses to kill a tribe of people including women and children and allow him to keep the virgins for his soldiers? A God who drowned an entire planet save 8 people because no one was worthy of living? The standard of a raped virgin must marry her rapist? Perhaps the standard that a man can beat his slave, male or female with a rod as long as they can recover in a day or two because they are property of the slave owner? Might be the standard of killing all the 1st born in Egypt. Maybe that plague he sent to wipe out 24000 people. I could go on all day.. just wondering which of Gods standards you want people to live by...
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Why not vent your crap on someone else? Choose me, little man. I could care less about the state of your soul and more about your manners here. MoS is a good man, far better than I could ever be and yet you belittle him because of that and more?
You are no match for me and in the real world as here I would so disparage your incompetence and misguided hatred for all that is good about the Christ and those that truly follow Him so that you would piss your soul in abject terror at the thought of ever encountering such as I again.
In other words, go intercourse yourself you pathetic pussbag. I am what you can only pretend to be. A man.
I can respect a difference of opinion or for that matter faith or the lack thereof, but not what you vomit up toward MoS.
There is that "Christian" love shining through. There is that love and acceptance that Jesus Christ talked about so much. The love and acceptance must be clothed in the term "pathetic pussbag." I wonder if Jesus ever used those words. Hmmmm.
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There is that "Christian" love shining through. There is that love and acceptance that Jesus Christ talked about so much. The love and acceptance must be clothed in the term "pathetic pussbag." I wonder if Jesus ever used those words. Hmmmm.
Fuck off. And for the record, I think highly of you in a variety of ways but I am also a realist and find that I have begun to realize that some people only "respect" that which they dish out.
The Christ would never speak this way and you are more than aware of it. Be careful, kid. You don't stand a chance. I have come close on several occasions to totally losing what is left of my faith in God.
I long since lost it in man. Because of assholes like you and that other pussy I already chastised. You just have trouble dealing with someone that is similar to you but with an arsenal that makes out the drivel you spout to be just that.
As a dear friend once said. Thirsty for more? You've found the well. ;D
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as a brit i dont know anything about these two, however maher deliberately cherry picked debating points and factoids to try and justify his own arguments.
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Fuck off. And for the record, I think highly of you in a variety of ways but I am also a realist and find that I have begun to realize that some people only "respect" that which they dish out.
The Christ would never speak this way and you are more than aware of it. Be careful, kid. You don't stand a chance. I have come close on several occasions to totally losing what is left of my faith in God.
I long since lost it in man. Because of assholes like you and that other pussy I already chastised. You just have trouble dealing with someone that is similar to you but with an arsenal that makes out the drivel you spout to be just that.
As a dear friend once said. Thirsty for more? You've found the well. ;D
Saying I do not stand a chance is mere threats over the internet. It's quite frankly pathetic. Aren't you in another country than me? Threatening me from thousands of miles away. Really?
Why am I a asshole? Because I do not believe in what you believe in? Because I challenge MOS? Then call him a cry baby when he throws a temper tantrums and runs away? Debates get heated. Just watch any debate. If MOS can't handle it, then he needs to run along with his blankie.
I do not have trouble at all dealing with someone similar to myself. However, what I do find funny is the hypocrisy of religion people. Preach the gospel, but no not really follow the sayings of Jesus Christ. Its more along the lines of pointing out the hypocrisy, as opposed to having trouble with dealing with someone similar to myself.
And I am not too sure who you're trying to scare by saying, "Thirsty for more? You found the well." I assure you I do not feel threatened or scared. :-\ :-\
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Saying I do not stand a chance is mere threats over the internet. It's quite frankly pathetic. Aren't you in another country than me? Threatening me from thousands of miles away. Really?
Why am I a asshole? Because I do not believe in what you believe in? Because I challenge MOS? Then call him a cry baby when he throws a temper tantrums and runs away? Debates get heated. Just watch any debate. If MOS can't handle it, then he needs to run along with his blankie.
I do not have trouble at all dealing with someone similar to myself. However, what I do find funny is the hypocrisy of religion people. Preach the gospel, but no not really follow the sayings of Jesus Christ. Its more along the lines of pointing out the hypocrisy, as opposed to having trouble with dealing with someone similar to myself.
And I am not too sure who you're trying to scare by saying, "Thirsty for more? You found the well." I assure you I do not feel threatened or scared. :-\ :-\
What temper tantrum?
Can you give me an example?
That would be helpful.
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God's standards? You mean the same God that commanded Moses to kill a tribe of people including women and children and allow him to keep the virgins for his soldiers? A God who drowned an entire planet save 8 people because no one was worthy of living? The standard of a raped virgin must marry her rapist? Perhaps the standard that a man can beat his slave, male or female with a rod as long as they can recover in a day or two because they are property of the slave owner? Might be the standard of killing all the 1st born in Egypt. Maybe that plague he sent to wipe out 24000 people. I could go on all day.. just wondering which of Gods standards you want people to live by...
Yes, this is the same God.
You mean the same God that commanded Moses to kill a tribe of people including women and children and allow him to keep the virgins for his soldiers?
God also waits patiently until the sin of man “fills up”....he allows ample time for man to repent. God also punishes with a heavy heart….this is not something he desires to do. Still he is a just God and just law demands real repercussions.
The Amalakites and Cannanites had hundreds of years to repent and they did not. Generation after generation of children grew to adults who were fully accountable for their actions and feel prey to the depravity of the generations before them. God stepped in and said enough. And yes children’s lives in these pagan nations were ended, but what about the fate of their souls? Their parents choose to rebel and defy God at every point in their lives. God is a god of second, third, fourth, fifth.....chances, but after generations lived and died and refused God's grace they chose to then spend an eternity without him. The children you speak of can't make that choice and aren't accountable for their actions, but like generations before them they would've done exactly what their parents and their parent's parent and their parent's parent's parents did......separate themselves from God. God recognized the hopelessness in these people and the idolotrous, depravity they repeatedly chose. That said, he ended their unrepentant ways. The Amalakite children of that last generation, the unaccountable 2 year olds, God showed them mercy and grace because upon their deaths they entered paradise while those before them (accountable adults) remain separate from God (as they chose to be) for all eternity. If you don't believe all you see is death, if you do believe you see mercy, grace and love.
When I read about King David’s child with Bathsheba passing away and David suggesting that as a believer he would he see his child again in God’s kingdom it affirmed for me the innocence of children and others with disabilities that prevent them from making an honest choice about sin and Christ in their lives. They don’t need salvation because being saved by grace through Christ means we are saved from the wrath/judgment of God. The innocents need not fear God’s wrath for they are without blame or need for judgment.
“Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them. Then he said, ‘I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.’”
Christ also indicated how severely those that cause the children (the little ones) to fall into sin would be judged. The children are lead into sin and out of innocence. Further, the primary attributes of God (justice, love, grace and mercy) don’t jive together if the innocents are separated eternally from him after their death.
As believers in Christ we are saved by grace through faith and thereby justified and deemed righteous….like the innocents who are inherently righteous we become like the them through Christ.
A God who drowned an entire planet save 8 people because no one was worthy of living?
Picture the worst person you can that has committed so much atrocity that it turns your stomach and then populate the earth with that type of person. Then give those folks hundreds and hundreds of years to turn from their evil ways. Give them chance after chance after chance. Allow them to bring new life into the world and fully corrupt generation after generation of children. At some point something has to give and it did - God passed down judgment upon a reprobate world. He saved the few righteous that existed and flooded the earth, but that earth is same earth you and I exist on today.
We have many examples of God handing down judgment upon reprobate societies in scripture. These groups of folks were always given hundreds and hundreds of years to repent and turn from their sin, but they refused to change and thereby refused God. These are the Lord’s very early periods of education in which the Almighty lets humanity know that utter and complete adoption of sinful depravity will not be tolerated and that God’s justice will be administered. Be it flood, fire, famine or man God has given us clear examples of how he views sin, judges sin and punishes sin.....he uses a number of instruments. Why don't we see that judgment handed down today? Personally I believe mankind has finally begun to understand that reprobate sin and utter depravity won't be tolerated by God. I believe we’ve become a better version of mankind, but it won’t last (that’s prophetic). It seems that once that condition is entered into and repeated indefinitely divine judgment becomes inevitable; although, this time judgment has been reserved for one final outcome.
In these OT circumstances what we see exemplified is humanity’s inherent need of divine salvation.....everything points to the person of Jesus Christ. The Son of God isn’t a mulligan….he’s the prophetic answer to the problem of evil. Today’s world has been left with a history of judgments handed down by God that illustrates very clearly that man alone is incapable of righteousness on their own, but they are capable of choosing to align themselves with ultimate righteousness. In the days of Abraham the new covenant of Christ did not yet exist, but Abraham had righteousness credited to him because he chose to align himself with God and serve his will and not his own.
Perhaps the standard that a man can beat his slave, male or female with a rod as long as they can recover in a day or two because they are property of the slave owner?
Rules for slavery regarding Israel in the OT had nothing to do with the antebellum South or the slavery they were delivered from in Egypt. Two entirely different things....one was forced (antebellum South and Egypt) and the other was voluntary/customary for debt payment (Israel). One was about inhumanity (antebellum South and Egypt) and one was about the preservation of humanity and rights of the servant/slave while working off individual or family debt (Israel). The word "slave" is always incorrecty associated with the antebellum South...just not the case for OT Israel.
The rules for "slavery" in the bible were about the preservation of humanity and dignity of bond servants working off debt for their families or the "slave" individually. Many slaves/bond servants ended up staying with the very owner/family they worked for after their debts were satisfied because they chose to. Many became full-time hands on the owners land receiving a normal wage. These folks weren't "picking the cotton on Massah's plantation" and then gettin beaten and raped in the evenings.....no, no, no...that's simple ignorance.
I know you have serious issues with slavery in the bible, but the "issue of slavery" doesn't carry the negative connotation you force fit onto it. You need to understand the culture and history of the Israelites....they were delievered from forced "work til you die" slavery in Egypt. Our God that freed them didn't turn around and say, "Ok, now y'all go ahead and enslave others in the same manner you were just freed from".
I suggest you read a copy of Paul Copan's "Is God a Moral Monster?".
Here is a post to you from 2011 about exactly this:
Condoning the beating of slaves:
Excerpt from a saved link ==>
Does the Old Testament condone slavery?
Absolutely not.
The Old Testament speaks of slavery often, and lays out rules on how slaves were to be treated. This has caused some to become confused...but a basic understanding of the context for ancient near-eastern slavery shows that the Old Testament does not condone slavery. Let's look at some common assumptions:
ASSUMPTION #1: Regulating a behavior shows approval
There are 33 Bible verses (NIV) containing the word "divorce". Divorce is specifically regulated in Scripture, but does that mean that the Bible condones divorce? Let's see:
I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel...
God hates divorce. Why would He give specific instructions governing it? Simple: because divorce was a fact of life. Failing to provide practical instructions on divorce would be like pretending it didn't actually happen. Well, slavery was also a fact of life. Regulations for slavery should not be confused with the approval of slavery. The existence of regulations for specific behaviors is not the same as approval for those behaviors.
However, Assumption #1 is not relevant to the issue of slavery in the Old Testament. As we'll see, other faulty assumptions are at work:
ASSUMPTION #2: Slavery was involuntary servitude
Many incorrectly assume that the slavery in the Old Testament was like the modern western slavery of the 1700's and 1800's. Western slavery primarily benefited the rich, but Israelite slavery primarily benefited the poor. You see, slavery was almost always voluntary...the basic types of "enslavement" are known as self-sale, family sale, and indentured servitude. These relationships were usually initiated by the slave as a remedy for poverty.
Poor families would sometimes sell their children as slaves. Were this situation like modern western slavery, we could justifiably condemn the practice...but the reality is that this was of great benefit to the child.
Slavery contracts often emphasized that the slave agreed to work in exchange for economic security and personal protection. While modern western slaves were forbidden to own property of any kind, Hebrew slaves could take part in business, borrow money, and buy their own freedom...in other words, they were free to "buy out" the contract they'd made. They were also able to own property, pay betrothal monies, and pay civic fines. Slaves could appear in court as witnesses, plaintiffs, and defendants.
Many ancient near-eastern slaves were able to buy time off as well, paying a fixed fee called a "quitrent" to their owner. This bought them a year where they didn't have to work. The amount paid was roughly equivalent to the average annual pay of a hired worker, regardless of whether he was free or a slave.
ASSUMPTION #3: Slavery was cruel and inhumane
While human nature tells us that abuse certainly must have occurred, the Old Testament forbids the cruel treatment of slaves. In fact, slaves were afforded the same legal protections as free citizens.
Leviticus 25 instructed Israelites to not mistreat slaves:
Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.
...you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
...you must see to it that his owner does not rule over him ruthlessly.
Instead of being cruel and inhumane, the relationships between slaves and owners appear to have been, at the very least, respectful. Many slaves were treated much like members of the owner's family. Deuteronomy 15 has a very instructive passage regarding setting a slave free:
If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today.
But if your servant says to you, "I do not want to leave you," because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant.
Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because his service to you these six years has been worth twice as much as that of a hired hand. And the LORD your God will bless you in everything you do.
The personal rights and responsibilities of a slave were clearly more important than the owner's "property rights". Slavery was generally an economic transaction and not a human rights violation. As but one example, slaves were forbidden to work on the Sabbath and were expected to take part in social celebrations...just like their masters. It's clear that the slavery in the Old Testament wasn't like modern western slavery at all. Obviously, these slaves recieved great benefits from making such arrangements.
Assumption #4: It was okay to harm a slave
If a master beat a slave and the slave died, he was to be killed. If he caused any sort of permanent damage to the slave, the slave was to be set free immediately. Note that "permanent damage" included such things as knocking out a tooth! This was a stark contrast to other near-eastern cultures, where a master was allowed to put out the eyes of his slaves with no consequences. An Israelite master had incentive to avoid striking a slave in the face, which was considered a civic wrong.
Some try to use Exodus 21:20-21 as evidence that Assumption #4 is accurate:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
On the surface, this looks as though a master could get away with mistreating a slave. When we look more closely, it's clear that this wasn't considered mistreatment. In fact, this verse shows that slaves were treated in much the same way as free citizens.
Being beaten by a rod was a common punishment. The community elders employed the rod to punish wrongdoers, and fathers applied the rod to rebellious older sons. Using a rod to discipline a slave would be common, if not customary. The punishments for harming slaves and free men were equivalent:
If the slave died, the owner was killed.
If the slave was permanently harmed, they were set free.
If the slave was temporarily harmed, the owner was not punished.
A free citizen who was temporarily harmed would be compensated for lost work time and medical bills, but the slave would not. The difference was simply economic: the owner was financially responsible for the slave, so he absorbed the loss of work time and made sure the slave was healed instead of paying them cash.
Assumption #5: Women were sex slaves
Women were sometimes sold into slavery (self-sale or family sale) as concubines. While westerners typically consider this the equivalent of being an involuntary sex slave, that's clearly not the case, as we read in Exodus 21:
If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
A concubine wasn't held against her will and used for sex. She was a true wife, but a secondary or subordinate one. The phrase "marital rights" as well as those in Judges 3 give us insight into a concubine's life: the man who bought her is her husband, his father is her father-in-law, and so on. The practice of keeping concubines is related to polygamy and not to enforced servitude.
These relationships could hardly be considered negative. They let young women voluntarily escape poverty, offered them security and protection, and gave them upward social mobility in the home of a wealthy family. They were also safe from favoritism: if the man took another wife, she was afforded the same basic legal protections as any other wife: food, clothing, and conjugal rights.
Exodus 21:8 says that such women could not be sold to foreigners. The implication is that foreigners wouldn't recognize her personal rights as afforded by Israeli law, and so she could never be redeemed. This shows that a slave's personal rights were more important than a slave owner's "property rights".
Assumption #6: The Old Testament condones involuntary slavery
The Old Testament is clear in its position on involuntary slavery: it was punishable by death:
Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Exodus 21:16
If a man is caught kidnapping one of his brother Israelites and treats him as a slave or sells him, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 24:7
Involuntary enslavement was, according to the Old Testament, evil.
Assumption #7: The selling of slaves is proof of cruelty
The most common verse used for this claim is Leviticus 25:44...
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
The assumption here is that this sale would be against the slave's will. However, there's nothing in the Old Testament to bear this out. The Hebrew word from that verse that's translated "buy" suggests a transaction. Considering the Old Testament's view of slavery and the lack of contrary evidence, one could reasonably assume that these transactions were entirely voluntary.
The ancient definitions of freedom and slavery were more relative than absolute. Kings were masters and their subjects were slaves. Rulers subject to others (e.g. emperors) were slaves. Child adoptions were recorded as sales transactions, with the new parents being considered masters. Virtually any subordinate could be considered a slave. The modern definitions of freedom, slavery, property, and ownership don't adequately express the ancient reality.
For an example, read the 15th and 16th verses of Deuteronomy 23:
If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand him over to his master. Let him live among you wherever he likes and in whatever town he chooses. Do not oppress him.
The implication here is that the slave belongs to a foreigner, but should be allowed to make a home among the Israelites as he pleases. If slaves were considered property, extradition would have been immediate...since the slave would "belong" to someone else. Extradition back to a foreign slave owner was forbidden, and we might safely assume that this had to do with the difference in how slaves were treated by other cultures.
Note as well the wording of Leviticus 25:46...
You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life...
While it was possible to will foreign slaves to your children, that was not the default. While it was possible to make them slaves for life, that was not the default. It's entirely reasonable to assume that the 'slave for life' clause would be based on the slave's wishes, as it would be for a Hebrew slave.
Assumption #8: Slaves were captured in wartime
During wartime, a city might surrender to Israel. It would then become a vassal state to Israel, and its people would be considered serfs instead of slaves. They would be expected to work on civic projects, as the Israelites did under Solomon's rule.
Considering the fact that such conscriptions included both Hebrews and foreigners, such serfdom would be entirely voluntary. The serf as well as the slave enjoyed the protection and prosperity of the community.
Conclusion
While the Old Testament clearly lists guidelines regarding slavery, it's clear that the type of slavery involved was overwhelmingly voluntary. Most relationships were either initiated by the slave or as an arrangement by the family of the slave as an economic and social benefit. Mistreatment of a slave was forbidden, and slaves were afforded most of the same freedoms and responsibilities as free citizens. The charge that the Bible condones slavery, as the modern western world understands it, is entirely without merit.
It's so easy for some to write 5 sentences of objections in 5 minutes and leave me with 5 hours worth of responding to do. Fortunately I've addressed many of these before.
I haven’t hit all your points yet, but I’m not finished either…..thanks!!
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While the Old Testament clearly lists guidelines regarding slavery, it's clear that the type of slavery involved was overwhelmingly voluntary. Most relationships were either initiated by the slave or as an arrangement by the family of the slave as an economic and social benefit.
The fact that it even list GUIDELINES and uses the word slavery is despicable. The fact that it lists guidelines acknowledges that its okay with slavery. Disgusting filth. Who would want to worship a God that condones slavery in any way, shape, or form?
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There is that "Christian" love shining through. There is that love and acceptance that Jesus Christ talked about so much. The love and acceptance must be clothed in the term "pathetic pussbag." I wonder if Jesus ever used those words. Hmmmm.
I have a suspicion, that since the books of the bible have been edited---that the "all love, all day" version that we have of Jesus is only part of his persona. I believe the real picture of Jesus is quite incomplete, and that he also lit into people from time to time. After all, the man was a rebel in his time. He couldn't do what he did, and be who he was in that time, without a strong mind, strong will.
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While the Old Testament clearly lists guidelines regarding slavery, it's clear that the type of slavery involved was overwhelmingly voluntary. Most relationships were either initiated by the slave or as an arrangement by the family of the slave as an economic and social benefit.
The fact that it even list GUIDELINES and uses the word slavery is despicable. The fact that it lists guidelines acknowledges that its okay with slavery. Disgusting filth. Who would want to worship a God that condones slavery in any way, shape, or form?
The Hebrew language is so small it can be fully memorized by a single individual....that's how few words there are. Further this limited number of words were used to express many, many ideas. Hence the context of the passages must always be considered in scripture in order to help clearly define words. Hence you can't simply read "slave" and say "that's terrible" or associate it with the antebellum south or Egyptian slavery....I understand that, but it has to be more than that. These folks were bonds servants working off debt for themselves or their families and slavery laws were put in place to protect the bondservants and all parties involved.
I don't like slavery or the word "slave" either. We're close to a period of time in which the word "slave" meant something horrific. Fact of the matter is stopping at the word "slave" and neglecting the greater context is not sufficient.
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I have a suspicion, that since the books of the bible have been edited---that the "all love, all day" version that we have of Jesus is only part of his persona. I believe the real picture of Jesus is quite incomplete, and that he also lit into people from time to time. After all, the man was a rebel in his time. He couldn't do what he did, and be who he was in that time, without a strong mind, strong will.
He walked into the temple and threw over tables and berated the tax collectors publically.
He regularly went to battle with the Pharisees of the Sanhedrin and schooled them verbally and publically.
He stood publically before the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate and essentially told him he was the king and nothing Pilate could do would stop that.
Jesus Christ definitely loved, but he also didn't just sit back and let himself or his house be misrepresented.
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The Hebrew language is so small it can be fully memorized by a single individual....that's how few words there are. Further this limited number of words were used to express many, many ideas. Hence the context of the passages must always be considered in scripture in order to help clearly define words. Hence you can't simply read "slave" and say "that's terrible" or associate it with the antebellum south or Egyptian slavery....I understand that, but it has to be more than that. These folks were bonds servants working off debt for themselves or their families and slavery laws were put in place to protect the bondservants and all parties involved.
I don't like slavery or the word "slave" either. We're close to a period of time in which the word "slave" meant something horrific. Fact of the matter is stopping at the word "slave" and neglecting the greater context is not sufficient.
Bullshit. You and your little minions will do anything to make the word of God not seem so despicable. Stop making excuses for you despicable and angry God. Grow a set up balls and stand up for what you believe in, instead of blindly following the bible.
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I have a suspicion, that since the books of the bible have been edited---that the "all love, all day" version that we have of Jesus is only part of his persona. I believe the real picture of Jesus is quite incomplete, and that he also lit into people from time to time. After all, the man was a rebel in his time. He couldn't do what he did, and be who he was in that time, without a strong mind, strong will.
Standing up for what you believe in is much different than the vitriol spewed by "The Scott." I am sure Jesus stood up for himself in a forthright manner, but that's different than the way your typical Christian does it. Its usually extreme hate.
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Bullshit. You and your little minions will do anything to make the word of God not seem so despicable. Stop making excuses for you despicable and angry God. Grow a set up balls and stand up for what you believe in, instead of blindly following the bible.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you'll reconsider your position.
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Standing up for what you believe in is much different than the vitriol spewed by "The Scott." I am sure Jesus stood up for himself in a forthright manner, but that's different than the way your typical Christian does it. Its usually extreme hate.
Have I shown you extreme hate? I hope not. You're definitely a trip LOL, but I don't hate you.
Man, I'd love nothing more than for you to consider Christ in your life.....I would really love that. Still, I would only want you to consider Christ because you want to......not because I want you to.
You also mentioned that I throw temper tantrums. I asked earlier if you would give me an example of that.
It would help me out if you could point me to one.
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Have I shown you extreme hate? I hope not. You're definitely a trip LOL, but I don't hate you.
Man, I'd love nothing more than for you to consider Christ in your life.....I would really love that. Still, I would only want you to consider Christ because you want to......not because I want you to.
You also mentioned that I throw temper tantrums. I asked earlier if you would give me an example of that.
It would help me out if you could point me to one.
No, tubby, not you. I am speaking about religious people in general. I was not referring to YOU!!
And I hope that you will consider not having Christ in your life.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you'll reconsider your position.
And I am sorry that you blindly follow the bible and hope that you will consider your position as well.
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And I am sorry that you blindly follow the bible and hope that you will consider your position as well.
I don't follow blindly. The Holy Spirit of God has repeatedly revealed himself to me in my life.
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He walked into the temple and threw over tables and berated the tax collectors publically.
He regularly went to battle with the Pharisees of the Sanhedrin and schooled them verbally and publically.
He stood publically before the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate and essentially told him he was the king and nothing Pilate could do would stop that.
Jesus Christ definitely loved, but he also didn't just sit back and let himself or his house be misrepresented.
Quite true, but I believe that other things happened, that he was like me and you, and SF, but on a different, higher level. A physical embodiment of the passion and spirituality that is within all of us. SF and you are passionate about what you believe in. Battle lines have been drawn, but man must learn that love or respect is what can build a bridge to each side.
And that is what I believe the real picture of Jesus is...a bridge between the spiritual, physical and mental. The real trinity.
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God has repeatedly revealed himself to me in my life.
Naked ?
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I don't follow blindly. The Holy Spirit of God has repeatedly revealed himself to me in my life.
I hope that you will reconsider your position and disregard the nonsense of the spirit of god revealing himself to you. I hope you will begin to think more rationally and logically about the world. I truly hope you break the shackles of your religion.
I don't hate you either. I think you're deluded. But I don't hate you.
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No, tubby, not you. I am speaking about religious people in general. I was not referring to YOU!!
And I hope that you will consider not having Christ in your life.
I already have lived without Christ in my life. I now choose him because of the wonderful work he's done in me....he's made me a new man and I take no credit.
My life without him was bleak and dark. Today I have joy and happiness and ironically a lot more work and stress and physical disabilities LOL!
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Naked ?
;D
No, I was naked in sin, but he clothed me with his righteousness.
Isaiah 61:10
10 I am overwhelmed with joy in the Lord my God!
For he has dressed me with the clothing of salvation
and draped me in a robe of righteousness.
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No, I was naked in sin, but he clothed me with his righteousness.
Wow , that's beautiful .
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I hope that you will reconsider your position and disregard the nonsense of the spirit of god revealing himself to you. I hope you will begin to think more rationally and logically about the world. I truly hope you break the shackles of your religion.
I don't hate you either. I think you're deluded. But I don't hate you.
I'm not shackled to organized religion. I surrendered to Christ because he's shown me the reality of who he is in my life.
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Bill Maher has a lot of hate for religion but he baby steps around christianity and judaism since he's 1/2 and 1/2
Bill Maher does not baby step around Christianity! Have you watched Religulous or seen his show?
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I already have lived without Christ in my life. I now choose him because of the wonderful work he's done in me....he's made me a new man and I take no credit.
My life without him was bleak and dark. Today I have joy and happiness and ironically a lot more work and stress and physical disabilities LOL!
And I have joy and happiness just as much as you do without Christ in my life. What's your point?
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While the Old Testament clearly lists guidelines regarding slavery, it's clear that the type of slavery involved was overwhelmingly voluntary. Most relationships were either initiated by the slave or as an arrangement by the family of the slave as an economic and social benefit.
The fact that it even list GUIDELINES and uses the word slavery is despicable. The fact that it lists guidelines acknowledges that its okay with slavery. Disgusting filth. Who would want to worship a God that condones slavery in any way, shape, or form?
But the thing is - masses of Christians don't follow the old testament to the word.
With Islam, they do.
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Standing up for what you believe in is much different than the vitriol spewed by "The Scott." I am sure Jesus stood up for himself in a forthright manner, but that's different than the way your typical Christian does it. Its usually extreme hate.
You call it "standing up" and what it really is stooping down. Fuck you. I will gladly deny my faith to humiliate you for an eternity you dried up k-unt of a person. MoS represents his faith well and in like fashion, you represent the shit that lives in your pathetic mind. You hate it that I don't care for you or your supposed soul and play by your rules. Get used to disappointment and go get in line to have your mind made new in a retread because you're about to get fucked.
You opened this can of worms called your mouth. You're a bitch, so swallow. By the way, you simple minded libtard, I am more than certain MoS doesn't need me to defend anything, least of all his faith.
Now call the local waaaambulance to come pick up your manlet ego.
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Why doesn't religion get treated like race? Just take Bill Maher's rant and replace muslim or christrian with the work black and he'd be banned from TV for every but you can bash religion and make a career out of it.
If Isam was a race, racism would become acceptable. Hope this helps.
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Has hell frozen over? Bill Maher standing up for Christians?
Wtf? seriously?
watch the video!
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/09/11/bill-maher-absolutely-crushes-charlie-rose-comparing-islam-christianity
Bill Maher once again is spot on. He speaks the unadulterated truth. Respect him more and more each and every day.
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It wasn't that long ago that Christianity was just as brutal as Islam to people who weren't Christians...One religion decided to progress away from it's original teachings and the other hasn't.