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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Shockwave on September 15, 2014, 03:08:19 PM
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So i received a bottle of sustanon with my last order that had some crystals floating around in it.. i put it in my cabinet and come back a couple days later and there is a whole bunch more crystals in the bottom of the vial. (House temp has been between 70-75 all the time)
Best way to remedy this situation?
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Bake it in the oven.
Google for Fahrenheit temp for baking
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What's the concentration?
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What's the concentration?
Just regular, 250mg/ml.
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Just regular, 250mg/ml.
has it turned into sort of a gel like substance yet? I honestly wouldn;t fuck with it. I got some Test cyp way back in the day from a top source and whe n it arrived it looked like hair gel in a vial and other people had the same problem so it's nothing you did. I emailed the source and he told me to put some water on the stove in a pot just like a inch or 2 and boil the water then turn it to low and sit the vial in there for just a minute and it would turn into a liquid wich it did but half an hour later it crashed again and globbed back up so I told him I wanted to get a refund or a exchange and he was cool about it just told me to conceal it well and gave me a addy to send it too and he re-sent me some sustanon wich I rather of had anyway and it was good. don;t risk shooting something like we pay money for good product we shouldn;t have to take our time to fix somebody elses bad batch of gear.
I can;t believe he told me it was fine to inject after i sat it in the boiling water even though it turned into liquid after that it globbed up even worse so imagine what it does once you inject it in your body. No way in hell I was injecting that crashed gear I got sent. it dosn;t sound like your gear is as crashed as the stuff i got but still nobody should have to do all that bullshit.
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The best way to fix crystallised gear is to throw it in the bin.
The fact it crystallised in the first place tells me the preparation methods have been way off, melting temperature used, filters or compounds themselves used or a combination of factors.
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just warm it before using.
lol @ throwing it away
get some guaiacol and put it inside after warming it. guaiacol is like the king of solvents, prevents high concentration gear from crashing.
throwing it away is retarded, i have tried getting some gear into very high concentration before and some of it instantly crashed into a gooey substance.
warm it up until the crystals are gone, inject it, done. it even works with gear that crashes again within an hour of warming up.
it most likely will not crash in your muscle because of your body temperature. at least it never did for me.
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The best way to fix crystallised gear is to throw it in the bin.
The fact it crystallised in the first place tells me the preparation methods have been way off, melting temperature used, filters or compounds themselves used or a combination of factors.
Its more likely over dosed and too much to stay suspended.
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Put it over the gas on the oven burner for 15 seconds ???
If you really want, add some eo to it but hardly worth it.
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The best way to fix it is to put it back in the box and send it back and get a new one
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The best way to fix it is to put it back in the box and send it back and get a new one
I thought u were having serious problems with your gear as well?
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I thought u were having serious problems with your gear as well?
Fixed it with Grapeseed oil at a 1:1 ratio and it took away 99% of pip
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has it turned into sort of a gel like substance yet? I honestly wouldn;t fuck with it. I got some Test cyp way back in the day from a top source and whe n it arrived it looked like hair gel in a vial and other people had the same problem so it's nothing you did. I emailed the source and he told me to put some water on the stove in a pot just like a inch or 2 and boil the water then turn it to low and sit the vial in there for just a minute and it would turn into a liquid wich it did but half an hour later it crashed again and globbed back up so I told him I wanted to get a refund or a exchange and he was cool about it just told me to conceal it well and gave me a addy to send it too and he re-sent me some sustanon wich I rather of had anyway and it was good. don;t risk shooting something like we pay money for good product we shouldn;t have to take our time to fix somebody elses bad batch of gear.
I can;t believe he told me it was fine to inject after i sat it in the boiling water even though it turned into liquid after that it globbed up even worse so imagine what it does once you inject it in your body. No way in hell I was injecting that crashed gear I got sent. it dosn;t sound like your gear is as crashed as the stuff i got but still nobody should have to do all that bullshit.
Even the testosterone cypionate I get from the pharmacy eventually crystalizes. You don't have to put it in boiling water to fix it though. Several minutes in hot water or just sitting in your pocket next to your body heat and then shaking it vigorously usually takes care of the problem. Once it crystalizes though, it keeps doing it.
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Even the testosterone cypionate I get from the pharmacy eventually crystalizes. You don't have to put it in boiling water to fix it though. Several minutes in hot water or just sitting in your pocket next to your body heat and then shaking it vigorously usually takes care of the problem. Once it crystalizes though, it keeps doing it.
I don"t think we are talking the same ball game my gear was totally crashed! Like I said it looked like a glob of hairgel in a vial and even after warming it uo it crashed and globbed upin 15-30minutes. I think crystalized and crashed are a but diffrent. crashed gear it's pretty much fucked. I have sat o n some test cyo for awhile and it never crytsalized or crashed wonder why some batches do that especially dosnlt make sense coming from a USA pharmacy company.
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just warm it before using.
lol @ throwing it away
get some guaiacol and put it inside after warming it. guaiacol is like the king of solvents, prevents high concentration gear from crashing.
throwing it away is retarded, i have tried getting some gear into very high concentration before and some of it instantly crashed into a gooey substance.
warm it up until the crystals are gone, inject it, done. it even works with gear that crashes again within an hour of warming up.
it most likely will not crash in your muscle because of your body temperature. at least it never did for me.
Guaiacol smells horrible! whyb not toss it if your making crashed gear your not doing something right. maybe your BA/BB ratio is fucked up or you accidently didn;t use the right amounts of Ba/BB other factors definatley could cause it more so then the bA/BB levels being fucked up.
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The best way to fix it is to put it back in the box and send it back and get a new one
This! why go out of your way! we as customers pay good money and if we get crashed gear we should be taken care of and get a new vial. My source was so hyped up and looked at like he was a god so I was surprised he couldn;t even make a decent batch of Test cyp but he was cool about it and sent me a vial of sustanon in exchange and he even gave me 2 vials of some special shit he just started making and I believe he had been the only one who had use it so far it was call dianadrol-TP it was injectable Dbol mixed with injectable anadrol and injectable test prop and it was in ethyl oleate so it drew up out of a slin pin it was so thin.
anyway we pay for a service and shouldn;t have to take the time to fix somebody elses mistake. The chef tried to blame it on the wether wich was total bullshit because it kept happening to other customers throughout the seasons and many PM'ed me to ask my situation and what happened so many put him in this alete level of cooks but he was nothing special especially after dealing with guys who really were doctors and NP's who got into UGL business and they had the best stuff in the early 2000's.
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Guaiacol smells horrible! whyb not toss it if your making crashed gear your not doing something right. maybe your BA/BB ratio is fucked up or you accidently didn;t use the right amounts of Ba/BB other factors definatley could cause it more so then the bA/BB levels being fucked up.
thats what happens when you try to brew DHT into 200mg/ml, lol.
there are no recipes for DHT because apparently nofuckingone ever used that.
lets just say that shits impossible to get stable above 50mg/ml.
and yes guaiacol smells horrible but its the king of solvents. made NPP at 200mg/ml, crashed instantly. added just 3% guaiacol and it holds stable ever since. ill gladly take the woodsmoke-smell if i can get my gear into twice the concentration with it...
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I don"t think we are talking the same ball game my gear was totally crashed! Like I said it looked like a glob of hairgel in a vial and even after warming it uo it crashed and globbed upin 15-30minutes. I think crystalized and crashed are a but diffrent. crashed gear it's pretty much fucked. I have sat o n some test cyo for awhile and it never crytsalized or crashed wonder why some batches do that especially dosnlt make sense coming from a USA pharmacy company.
I discussed the problem of test cypionate crystalizing with two different pharmacists. Both indicated it was common if it got too cold. Since this summer has been rather hot and the last bit of cyp in the vial I just finished off was beginning to crystalize, I suggest the pharmacists don't know what they are saying.
Yeah, your gear seemed pretty messed up. I have no clue why it would turn into a glob of crap like yours did. Seems like it must have been contaminated.
I reuse the same 19 gauge needle to fill the syringe because it fills easier than using the 22 gauge needles I use to inject. Even though the needle never touches anything but the vial top and the cypionate, I flush it with alcohol before I recap it for the next use. I also am careful to wipe the diaphragm off with alcohol every time I inject. I doubt there would be any alcohol residue, but if there is, I guess it could contaminate the testosterone.
Unlike some folks, I have never once had any problem with the injection site and infections. I rarely even shed a drop of blood when finished injecting. One time I forgot to hold the alcohol soaked cotton ball on the injection site for a minute after I was done and there was a little blood running down my ass. I take blood thinners, so this didn't really surprise me much.
Who knows how well legal drug manufacturing is monitored. It would not surprise me if it isn't all that great. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but the folks at the FDC could be lax in their responsibilities and some even be paid off to ignore stuff.
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Yes those hundred million dollar manufacturing facilities Upjohn and Watson have are pretty much on par with Chinese chemical factories when it comes to quality control ::)
More importantly Jizmo, you have DHT? Since it stopped being produced in the US I've been using mast/var but the real thing would be nice. I have a doc who'll write a scrip for it but there's no compounding pharmacies in the west coast who can make it...
I have a Npp 200 and mast e 200 blend that holds with EO 50%
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Yes those hundred million dollar manufacturing facilities Upjohn and Watson have are pretty much on par with Chinese chemical factories when it comes to quality control ::)
More importantly Jizmo, you have DHT? Since it stopped being produced in the US I've been using mast/var but the real thing would be nice. I have a doc who'll write a scrip for it but there's no compounding pharmacies in the west coast who can make it...
I have a Npp 200 and mast e 200 blend that holds with EO 50%
well, you can never know what that stuff EXACTLY is, but yeah it does give the expected effects, so its gotta be something DHT-related ;D
yeah EO is also damn strong, but ive never used it yet since its more expensive here and you need a lot
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I have heard of methyl DHT. 10mg capsules it's just methylated DHT wich is pretty much hairloss in a bottle. I have not used it I hear it's good shit for pre-workout. I rather use Masteron over just a methaylated DHT capsule or some form of injectable DHT. seriously masteron is not good enough why on earth would somebody want to use injectable DHT or that methylated DHT they banned back in 2005 with all the other pro-hormones and designer steroids. It was called methyl-rage and was just methylated DHT 10mg caps but most people called it hairloss in a bottle.
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I discussed the problem of test cypionate crystalizing with two different pharmacists. Both indicated it was common if it got too cold. Since this summer has been rather hot and the last bit of cyp in the vial I just finished off was beginning to crystalize, I suggest the pharmacists don't know what they are saying.
Yeah, your gear seemed pretty messed up. I have no clue why it would turn into a glob of crap like yours did. Seems like it must have been contaminated.
I reuse the same 19 gauge needle to fill the syringe because it fills easier than using the 22 gauge needles I use to inject. Even though the needle never touches anything but the vial top and the cypionate, I flush it with alcohol before I recap it for the next use. I also am careful to wipe the diaphragm off with alcohol every time I inject. I doubt there would be any alcohol residue, but if there is, I guess it could contaminate the testosterone.
Unlike some folks, I have never once had any problem with the injection site and infections. I rarely even shed a drop of blood when finished injecting. One time I forgot to hold the alcohol soaked cotton ball on the injection site for a minute after I was done and there was a little blood running down my ass. I take blood thinners, so this didn't really surprise me much.
Who knows how well legal drug manufacturing is monitored. It would not surprise me if it isn't all that great. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but the folks at the FDC could be lax in their responsibilities and some even be paid off to ignore stuff.
No my stuff was totally fucked up! It also came from the biggest most alete source at the time and I wasn't impressed at least with the Test cyp I got all the other oils were great but that Test cyp and a few pother injects I didn't try would crash. I heard alot of people who ngot crashed gear from this supposive top source. I never ordered from the guy again I just think people are to easily pleased.
I'm not sure how crystalized gear even looks I have never recieved crysrtalized gear but I have gotten complete crashed gear that one time. is it still liquid but just won;t draw up correctly? The stuff I got was totally fucked. It came from a source who went by swisher and his lab was just called swisher. I am sure there are old pictures online of his gear he went down or quit when operation raw deal hit in 2006 into 2007. he had some nice labels he knocked off the old steris labels but just put swisher where the steris used to be.
That guy made crazy money. His list was insanle huge. he was def a one-stop shop had every AAS possible even Mibolerone(cheque drops) never seen such a complete list. back then powders and HGH were easier to get in through customs it seems.
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I have heard of methyl DHT. 10mg capsules it's just methylated DHT wich is pretty much hairloss in a bottle. I have not used it I hear it's good shit for pre-workout. I rather use Masteron over just a methaylated DHT capsule or some form of injectable DHT. seriously masteron is not good enough why on earth would somebody want to use injectable DHT or that methylated DHT they banned back in 2005 with all the other pro-hormones and designer steroids. It was called methyl-rage and was just methylated DHT 10mg caps but most people called it hairloss in a bottle.
yeah methylstanolone was also on the list ... but i figured i'd get some non-methylated stuff, because i wanted to have something non-methylated dht-based... because mast and primo are probably the most expensive yet weakest AAS and theres nothing else DHT-based thats non-liver-toxic
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I have a blood test coming up for TRT doc next week, itll be interesting to see what 100 Mast E a week does to DHT
from personal experience , tren and nandrolones drive my DHT down to zero :-X which is why I use 100mg mast to offset the 100mg NPP
wondering if Adex affects it in any way since DHT is made through aromatizing?
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No my stuff was totally fucked up! It also came from the biggest most alete source at the time and I wasn't impressed at least with the Test cyp I got all the other oils were great but that Test cyp and a few pother injects I didn't try would crash. I heard alot of people who ngot crashed gear from this supposive top source. I never ordered from the guy again I just think people are to easily pleased.
I'm not sure how crystalized gear even looks I have never recieved crysrtalized gear but I have gotten complete crashed gear that one time. is it still liquid but just won;t draw up correctly? The stuff I got was totally fucked. It came from a source who went by swisher and his lab was just called swisher. I am sure there are old pictures online of his gear he went down or quit when operation raw deal hit in 2006 into 2007. he had some nice labels he knocked off the old steris labels but just put swisher where the steris used to be.
That guy made crazy money. His list was insanle huge. he was def a one-stop shop had every AAS possible even Mibolerone(cheque drops) never seen such a complete list. back then powders and HGH were easier to get in through customs it seems.
When the test cypionate I use "crystalized" it was not as if the whole vial turned to crystals. First of all, it happened when the vial was nearly empty, with maybe two doses left. When I upended it to draw the test, the bottom of the vial had some crystals stuck to it. Like I mentioned, this has happened a couple of times. I always fill the prescription at the pharmacy so presumably their source is a legitimate manufacture, although it is the generic. Insurance won't pay for the non-generic or they don't pay much. My cost is about $18 for a vial that last me about 3 months when injecting 150 mg a week.
The pharmacist suggested that if it is not kept at room temperature it will crystalize. This seems like some crazy excuse because the last vial had crystals and it has been hot this summer. Although we have central air, we don't have it set to come on unless the house gets above 74 degrees which is hardly below "room temperature." The low night setting on our HVAC is 60 degrees so the coldest it gets in the house is 60 degrees.
Anyway, warming it slowly by putting it in hot water and shaking it vigorously seems to work if it is just a few crystals. Once crystals form though, they will reform within a day or two.
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When the test cypionate I use "crystalized" it was not as if the whole vial turned to crystals. First of all, it happened when the vial was nearly empty, with maybe two doses left. When I upended it to draw the test, the bottom of the vial had some crystals stuck to it. Like I mentioned, this has happened a couple of times. I always fill the prescription at the pharmacy so presumably their source is a legitimate manufacture, although it is the generic. Insurance won't pay for the non-generic or they don't pay much. My cost is about $18 for a vial that last me about 3 months when injecting 150 mg a week.
The pharmacist suggested that if it is not kept at room temperature it will crystalize. This seems like some crazy excuse because the last vial had crystals and it has been hot this summer. Although we have central air, we don't have it set to come on unless the house gets above 74 degrees which is hardly below "room temperature." The low night setting on our HVAC is 60 degrees so the coldest it gets in the house is 60 degrees.
Anyway, warming it slowly by putting it in hot water and shaking it vigorously seems to work if it is just a few crystals. Once crystals form though, they will reform within a day or two.
it is related to temperature.
put a vial into the fridge and see what happens.
crystallization is not bad at all, just warm it up. its just the aggregate state of these AAS at different temperatures.
AAS powder has very distinct states... test E for example is a powder, but it melts at a very low temperature and becomes waxy/oily. if you just take some of the powder between your fingers it instantly starts melting.
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even my Watson cyp from Walgreens will turn to a hairgel consistency when it's cool.
it's hardly 'ruined' or crap.. just means there's a lil less solvent than is needed if it gelled (crashed) at room temp.
simple fix.. just run it under hot water in the sink and shake it up a lil (and repeat), then shoot it. your body's temp is 98.6 degrees, I doubt it'll 'recrystallize' after it's been injected.
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A few things to mention here :
1 - No source around is going to let you "send a bottle back" to them. WTF? ??? If it were that easy, then all the LE has to do is make an order, claim it crashed and will mail it back and then show up to hit the address that it is supposed to be mailed to.
2 - If something crystallizes once, there is a 90% chance it will do so again. Question is, when it does do you want it to crystallize in the bottle or in your body? Shit hurts like a mofo once it is inside the body.
3 - EO is nasty shit. Ever see what it does to a rubber stopper? Now think about what is more durable, a rubber stopper or the veins/arteries in your body?
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A few things to mention here :
1 - No source around is going to let you "send a bottle back" to them. WTF? ??? If it were that easy, then all the LE has to do is make an order, claim it crashed and will mail it back and then show up to hit the address that it is supposed to be mailed to.
2 - If something crystallizes once, there is a 90% chance it will do so again. Question is, when it does do you want it to crystallize in the bottle or in your body? Shit hurts like a mofo once it is inside the body.
3 - EO is nasty shit. Ever see what it does to a rubber stopper? Now think about what is more durable, a rubber stopper or the veins/arteries in your body?
Its sustanon, mot EQ, but wouldn't body temp keep it from re-crystalizing?
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Thought I'd give you guys a heads up, I got around to needing that bottle of gear... it was crystallized straight from the mailbox.
Anyway, I dropped it in a pot of water on the stove on medium-high for about 5 minutes, it cleared up, and didn't crash again. I injected immediately after and then watched it for a few days, it's staying a liquid, once I warmed it up it's been fine.
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When the test cypionate I use "crystalized" it was not as if the whole vial turned to crystals. First of all, it happened when the vial was nearly empty, with maybe two doses left. When I upended it to draw the test, the bottom of the vial had some crystals stuck to it. Like I mentioned, this has happened a couple of times. I always fill the prescription at the pharmacy so presumably their source is a legitimate manufacture, although it is the generic. Insurance won't pay for the non-generic or they don't pay much. My cost is about $18 for a vial that last me about 3 months when injecting 150 mg a week.
The pharmacist suggested that if it is not kept at room temperature it will crystalize. This seems like some crazy excuse because the last vial had crystals and it has been hot this summer. Although we have central air, we don't have it set to come on unless the house gets above 74 degrees which is hardly below "room temperature." The low night setting on our HVAC is 60 degrees so the coldest it gets in the house is 60 degrees.
Anyway, warming it slowly by putting it in hot water and shaking it vigorously seems to work if it is just a few crystals. Once crystals form though, they will reform within a day or two.
the reason i would guess for the bolded is the hormone is heavier than carrier oil/solvent and if you didn't shake thoroughly before each jab i would imagine you may have ended up with a higher hormone concentrate at the bottom of the vial. which could lead to it crashing out of the solution.
coldness and trying to put more hormone than the solution can hold are the only reasons i have seen for gear crystallising.
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the reason i would guess for the bolded is the hormone is heavier than carrier oil/solvent and if you didn't shake thoroughly before each jab i would imagine you may have ended up with a higher hormone concentrate at the bottom of the vial. which could lead to it crashing out of the solution.
coldness and trying to put more hormone than the solution can hold are the only reasons i have seen for gear crystallising.
This is the reason I have made a point of shaking the heck out of it before filling the syringe lately. I'll let you know if this works.
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This shit just happened to me. It's homebrew test cyp, I tried to make it 250mg /ml and this was the result the next day
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I have done a few brews of 200mg/ml from the same batch of powder and that held fine. I have just stuck the vial in an egg cup of hot water before jabbing and it goes back into solution no probs and injections have been smooth as anything, zero pip whatsoever.
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There is a very easy solutution
walk to your kitchen area - place in bin - buy more gear.
thats how you fix gear thats crystalised.
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There is a very easy solutution
walk to your kitchen area - place in bin - buy more gear.
thats how you fix gear thats crystalised.
you can fix it though with guaiacol or other solvents, that just happens when you try to brew too high concentrations
if something at regular concentration crashes then its made by a SHIT homebrewer and yeah maz is right, trash it.
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So i received a bottle of sustanon with my last order that had some crystals floating around in it.. i put it in my cabinet and come back a couple days later and there is a whole bunch more crystals in the bottom of the vial. (House temp has been between 70-75 all the time)
Best way to remedy this situation?
Bin it, having it crash in your leg or whatever is a fate worse than having to suck dick for hgh.
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There is a very easy solutution
walk to your kitchen area - place in bin - buy more gear.
thats how you fix gear thats crystalised.
clueless post.
at the very worst you can add some carrier oil and dilute the hormone further and will be fine if is good gear to start with. as long as not ridiculously high concentrate will be fine just heat vial and jabbing.
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Bin it, having it crash in your leg or whatever is a fate worse than having to suck dick for hgh.
nonsense. who do you know or heard of that's had gear crystalise in their leg. lol gear isn't gonna crash at the temperature inside your body.
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nonsense. who do you know or heard of that's had gear crystalise in their leg. lol gear isn't gonna crash at the temperature inside your body.
it happens.
i think the reasoning is that benzyl benzoate and benzyl alcohol can assimilate out of the solution, leaving the oil and the steroid inside the muscle.
it only ever happens with gear that crashes REALLY fast normally. within minutes.
most sane people wont inject that ever if it already crashes 3 minutes after heating.
even THEN it doesnt necessarily happen.
but it still CAN happen - try mixing an AAS powder in DMSO (this is assimilated extremely quickly) and inject it and youll know what i mean...
youll have a bunch of AAS crystals in your muscle. witnessed that first hand
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it happens.
i think the reasoning is that benzyl benzoate and benzyl alcohol can assimilate out of the solution, leaving the oil and the steroid inside the muscle.
it only ever happens with gear that crashes REALLY fast normally. within minutes.
most sane people wont inject that ever if it already crashes 3 minutes after heating.
even THEN it doesnt necessarily happen.
but it still CAN happen - try mixing an AAS powder in DMSO (this is assimilated extremely quickly) and inject it and youll know what i mean...
youll have a bunch of AAS crystals in your muscle. witnessed that first hand
well if gear re crashes within minutes then it is obviously far too high hormone concentrate to inject, so needs diluting. if you have gear that is 50mg/ml above what it will hold at, heating it before each jab is no probs.
People talking about binning gear cos it crashed are fkin idiots. you have top raw powder you experiment and go to high with concentration. you are gonna bin perfectly good gear instead of simply adding some more carrier oil/solvents to bring the hormone concentration down. lol
btw your last post about gear crashing at regular concentrates means SHIT homebrewer is wrong . if you read through the thread at least one poster had pharma gear that crashed.
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I have a prescription for test from my doctor. I fill it at a pharmacy. Over the last few years, there have been a couple of occasions when it crystalized. The pharmacist instructed me to simply heat it up and shake it well before injecting. This worked fine.
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well if gear re crashes within minutes then it is obviously far too high hormone concentrate to inject, so needs diluting. if you have gear that is 50mg/ml above what it will hold at, heating it before each jab is no probs.
People talking about binning gear cos it crashed are fkin idiots. you have top raw powder you experiment and go to high with concentration. you are gonna bin perfectly good gear instead of simply adding some more carrier oil/solvents to bring the hormone concentration down. lol
btw your last post about gear crashing at regular concentrates means SHIT homebrewer is wrong . if you read through the thread at least one poster had pharma gear that crashed.
well yeah maybe if you put it in the freezer pharma grade crashes... solubility of AAS (just like with any other substance) correlates with temperature, so if it gets too cold, your stuff crashes.
you shouldnt keep your gear anywhere it can get so cold that it might ever crash though.
maybe that user should invest in a radiator for his living room.
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and like you say if its crashing in the first place, the brewer is wack.
even in pretty warm or cold temps it shouldnt crash.
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well yeah maybe if you put it in the freezer pharma grade crashes... solubility of AAS (just like with any other substance) correlates with temperature, so if it gets too cold, your stuff crashes.
you shouldnt keep your gear anywhere it can get so cold that it might ever crash though.
maybe that user should invest in a radiator for his living room.
the guy said his scripted pharma test even crashed in the middle of summer, so no it wasn't kept at freezing temp.
going back to your previous post when you said the gear will crystalise in your leg when the solvents run out of the muscle and the gear and oild stay in muscle, this is not crystalising this is gear not dispersing properly, usually leaving what is called a sterile abscess. And generally can happen anytime with gear that has never crashed in a vial.
you guys really need to stop talking such nonsense.
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the guy said his scripted pharma test even crashed in the middle of summer, so no it wasn't kept at freezing temp.
going back to your previous post when you said the gear will crystalise in your leg when the solvents run out of the muscle and the gear and oild stay in muscle, this is not crystalising this is gear not dispersing properly, usually leaving what is called a sterile abscess. And generally can happen anytime with gear that has never crashed in a vial.
you guys really need to stop talking such nonsense.
what happens when the solvents run out of the muscle and the oil stays in?
ever tried dissolving gear in just oil? yeah, nothing happens. since the gear WAS dissolved already it crystallizes or do you think it goes back to powder form in your muscle? lol.
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what happens when the solvents run out of the muscle and the oil stays in?
ever tried dissolving gear in just oil? yeah, nothing happens. since the gear WAS dissolved already it crystallizes or do you think it goes back to powder form in your muscle? lol.
whether you want to call it crystalising in your leg, not dispersing properly or whatever, who gives a sht. it happens to people with gear that never crashed in vial so it is not a specific danger with gear that crashed in vial.
In fact i have never heard of anyone having any problems re heating gear that crashed. I have probably read 100 or more posts from people this happened to and jabbed it and I never heard any of them say the gear re crashed in their leg.
feel free to tell us of anyone you know who this happened to or direct us to any post on any site where someone says this happened.
If not quit the BS.
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whether you want to call it crystalising in your leg, not dispersing properly or whatever, who gives a sht. it happens to people with gear that never crashed in vial so it is not a specific danger with gear that crashed in vial.
In fact i have never heard of anyone having any problems re heating gear that crashed. I have probably read 100 or more posts from people this happened to and jabbed it and I never heard any of them say the gear re crashed in their leg.
feel free to tell us of anyone you know who this happened to or direct us to any post on any site where someone says this happened.
If not quit the BS.
youre really missing my point. as i said before its VERY UNLIKELY to happen, yet the possibility is not zero.
people in this thread make it sound like its impossible that gear might ever crash in your muscle, yet it is not.
i do agree with you on the fact that it most likely wont happen.
i have some gear that crashes insanely fast after heating, it takes like 30 minutes to crash in a previously heated vial, so the oil is probably still at least twice room temperature
yet that stuff does not crash in the muscle. you heat it, inject it while its warm, no crash in the muscle, but just 13-14 degrees less (room temperature) is enough to make it crash within minutes.
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I could be wrong about this, but I've started shaking it pretty vigorously each week prior to injecting it. I wonder if it the test doesn't settle to the bottom of the vial over time which facilitates its crashing. When I've had it crash, it has been when the vial is 1/3 or less full. I keep my test in a cupboard in the bathroom which is at room temperature and out of any drafts.
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I could be wrong about this, but I've started shaking it pretty vigorously each week prior to injecting it. I wonder if it the test doesn't settle to the bottom of the vial over time which facilitates its crashing. When I've had it crash, it has been when the vial is 1/3 or less full. I keep my test in a cupboard in the bathroom which is at room temperature and out of any drafts.
well usually it shouldnt settle to the bottom if its correctly brewed, but yeah IF it crashes it always starts from the bottom
- ive also had some 250mg/ml tren e of which a little bit settled at the bottom and "crashed".. its just a few small crystals at the bottom of the vial
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well usually it shouldnt settle to the bottom if its correctly brewed, but yeah IF it crashes it always starts from the bottom
- ive also had some 250mg/ml tren e of which a little bit settled at the bottom and "crashed".. its just a few small crystals at the bottom of the vial
you obviously have some kind of comprehension disorder. Prime muscle has said more than once(and I've referred to it) that his gear was straight from his doctor not UGL and you still keep going on about "if it's brewed correctly" ::)
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you obviously have some kind of comprehension disorder. Prime muscle has said more than once(and I've referred to it) that his gear was straight from his doctor not UGL and you still keep going on about "if it's brewed correctly" ::)
dont you have a wife to piss off? ...
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dont you have a wife to piss off? ...
lol so finally you have run out of BS to spout?
run along kid , go learn something instead of talking utter crap here.
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lol so finally you have run out of BS to spout?
run along kid , go learn something instead of talking utter crap here.
lol
so you say its normal for gear to crash at room temperature ? ::)
crashing gear = shit chef
if pharma gear crashes its shit. not dangerous or whatever but the compounding pharmacy made a mistake.
well brewed gear doesnt crash. period
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lol
so you say its normal for gear to crash at room temperature ? ::)
crashing gear = shit chef
if pharma gear crashes its shit. not dangerous or whatever but the compounding pharmacy made a mistake.
well brewed gear doesnt crash. period
you been reading too much gh15 "shit chef" bllx, you numbnut . brewing gear isn't exactly fkin rocket science, as long as you're not a complete spastic there really isn't fk all to it.
"well brewed gear doesn't carsh"
well that's funny because I have done around 5 brews out of the same batch of cyp , 4 at 200mg/ml and one 1 at 250mg/l which crashed. all using my same tried and tested formula. the 250mg gear didn't crash because it wasn't "brewed well" it crashed because I used slightly too high hormone concentrate for my chosen solvents. the funny thing is the 250mg is actually jabbing even smoother than any of the others, no doubt because am heating it to uncrash it before each jab, but I actually sometimes can't remember where I jabbed the following day because there is absolutely zero feeling or evidence of the jab.
I could easily add some more oil to stop it crashing but I don't see any point.
re the bolded, list the mistakes you think the pharma company could make for the gear to crash ? lets see if you really are completely full of shit or not...
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you been reading too much gh15 "shit chef" bllx, you numbnut . brewing gear isn't exactly fkin rocket science, as long as you're not a complete spastic there really isn't fk all to it.
"well brewed gear doesn't carsh"
well that's funny because I have done around 5 brews out of the same batch of cyp , 4 at 200mg/ml and one 1 at 250mg/l which crashed. all using my same tried and tested formula. the 250mg gear didn't crash because it wasn't "brewed well" it crashed because I used slightly too high hormone concentrate for my chosen solvents. the funny thing is the 250mg is actually jabbing even smoother than any of the others, no doubt because am heating it to uncrash it before each jab, but I actually sometimes can't remember where I jabbed the following day because there is absolutely zero feeling or evidence of the jab.
I could easily add some more oil to stop it crashing but I don't see any point.
re the bolded, list the mistakes you think the pharma company could make for the gear to crash ? lets see if you really are completely full of shit or not...
well in MY vocabulary too much hormone per solvent MEANS it wasnt brewed well
if you know your shit you KNOW how much hormone you can use with the standard 2/20 BA/BB formula.
as i said before, i had lots of gear crashing. its all trial and error.
an experienced brewer should not have gear crashing, so thats why UGL gear that easily crashes is not good.
if pharma gear crashes then well. they probably didnt use enough BA or BB. which is not necessarily a bad thing since the stuff is toxic and thats what they are probably consider more important than stability at high concentrations, lol.
do they even use BB in pharma grade test? not familiar with the amounts of solvents they use. i know test E can be stable without any BB at all at lower concentrations for example.
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well in MY vocabulary too much hormone per solvent MEANS it wasnt brewed well
if you know your shit you KNOW how much hormone you can use with the standard 2/20 BA/BB formula.
as i said before, i had lots of gear crashing. its all trial and error.
an experienced brewer should not have gear crashing, so thats why UGL gear that easily crashes is not good.
if pharma gear crashes then well. they probably didnt use enough BA or BB. which is not necessarily a bad thing since the stuff is toxic and thats what they are probably consider more important than stability at high concentrations, lol.
do they even use BB in pharma grade test? not familiar with the amounts of solvents they use. i know test E can be stable without any BB at all at lower concentrations for example.
haha now you just took any doubt away that you are a fkin idiot. Firstly yes pharma companies do use BB in some preparations and BA is not used to help make the hormone stay in solution it's used as an aid to prevent bacteria forming.
and you think the pharma company just left out some solvents ? lmfao these are companies that are strictly regulated and monitored, they're not some "experienced" brewer like you, brewing up a few hundred ml to punt out to their friends. you don't think they run tests on their finished products to make sure they contain what they say they do? to avoid facing million pound law suits and or having their licenses taken away. But you think "they just left some solvents out"
haha
you keep going on as if it's some big disaster if you make gear that is too high concentration and crashes. it really isn't , all you need to do is fliter some more oil and solvent and add to the solution FIXED, probably take 5 or 10 mins. if it's not stupid high concentration don't even need to bother with that, if you don't mind the slight inconvenience of heating before jab.
If I was making it to sell than yeh I probably wouldn't try making 250mg/ml cyp with regular solvents, as I wouldn't want to risk fkin clueless idiots thinking the gear was sht/going to crystalise in their leg etc etc , but as it's only for me I don't really give a sht as I know the gear is good/sterile and it's no problem.
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haha now you just took any doubt away that you are a fkin idiot. Firstly yes pharma companies do use BB in some preparations and BA is not used to help make the hormone stay in solution it's used as an aid to prevent bacteria forming.
wrong ::)
i never said that the PURPOSE of BA is to keep the hormone in solution.
thats what the BB is for.
of course preventing bacteria growth is the purpose of BA, yes.
nonetheless BA has STRONG solvent properties. just going from 2 to 3-4% BA can make a solution stable. MG for MG its much stronger than BB for that purpose. not the most intelligent use for BA, but it works.
as i expected, you have no clue about brewing.
oh, and i know this is getbig and were all big fucking internet gangsters, but no need to be that offensive all the time.
can we quit the bitchfight now?
just stating a) facts b) my opinion
accept em or ignore em
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wrong ::)
i never said that the PURPOSE of BA is to keep the hormone in solution.
thats what the BB is for.
of course preventing bacteria growth is the purpose of BA, yes.
nonetheless BA has STRONG solvent properties. just going from 2 to 3-4% BA can make a solution stable. MG for MG its much stronger than BB for that purpose. not the most intelligent use for BA, but it works.
as i expected, you have no clue about brewing.
oh, and i know this is getbig and were all big fucking internet gangsters, but no need to be that offensive all the time.
can we quit the bitchfight now?
just stating a) facts b) my opinion
accept em or ignore em
hahaha stating facts? you weren't even aware that BB was used in pharma grade gear. oh yeh and of course Bayer just sometimes "forgot to add in some solvents"
and only a fkin idiot would use high concentrate BA to help with gear holding, high concentration BA causes horrendous pip for most, mix that with a high hormone concentrate, and that's a fkin great combination genius.
go and do something you have knowledge in, like sucking your boyfriend's dick or something, and stop spouting sht you know fk all about
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Here's an interesting side note on my legal test (testosterone prescribed by your doctor and purchased at a pharmacy). My preferred pharmacy was filling it in 10 mil vials which would last me three months. The last time I tried to get it filled they (for the second time in the last couple of years) said they had to fill it one month at a time using 3, 2 mil vials. Their reason was because corporate won't let them fill it for 3 months in the larger vial because they don't make any money off it.
I had them transfer the prescription to a different pharmacy. When I didn't hear anything from the new pharmacy, I stopped in to check on what was going on. The clerk told me they never got the prescription and further, they also could only fill it by the month because it was no longer available in 10 mil vials.
Apparently, you cannot move a prescription more than one time without having your doctor write a new one. I called my doctor to do this for me. The last pharmacy filled it for three months with no problem. So I was good to go.
A couple of days later, the second pharmacy called me to tell me my prescription was ready for pick up. I called them back, spoke to the manager and recounted my experience with their clerk. He apologized. A few days following this I got another phone message from them telling me my prescription was ready for pickup.
I went in to the pharmacy and they'd filled it as written for 10 mil. Although this was supposed to be a three month supply, the prescription indicated I could refill it in 30 days. So thinking more is better than less and since the co-pay was only $7.00 I picked up this prescription too. So presently I have six months supply.
I am anxious to see if my medical insurance picks up on the someone's mistake or not. If not, I will let them refill it in a month as well as having the other (last) pharmacy refill that prescription in three months. I only inject 150 mg a week. It looks as if I wanted to boost that up a lot, I could at this point.
Maybe I will have tales of roid rage to share soon....or not.
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hahaha stating facts? you weren't even aware that BB was used in pharma grade gear. oh yeh and of course Bayer just sometimes "forgot to add in some solvents"
and only a fkin idiot would use high concentrate BA to help with gear holding, high concentration BA causes horrendous pip for most, mix that with a high hormone concentrate, and that's a fkin great combination genius.
go and do something you have knowledge in, like sucking your boyfriend's dick or something, and stop spouting sht you know fk all about
::) ok kid
grow up or get into bitch fights with your kindergarden buddies please.