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Title: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
we can  represent anything as a mathmatical equation or formula, that supercedes language barries , lets get to work
here is my dilema

i am trying to find the amount of possible positions two identicle objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation

without knowing the unit of measuremant how can this be expressed in an equation

i am hoping to solve this basic aspect in the next 15 minites then move on to the next step and the next and so on, finding equations to represent 3 and 4 symetrical identical objects ( lets use spheres)

i am feeling there wont be just one equation to to represent the two spheres, but quite possibly it may just be one equation, it will need some variables and some abstract elements to it, but it should make sense, it is possible, to represent anything mathmatically correct?

if we use the best logic possible i feel we will start to find some peculiar patterns after we chart out enough spheres, something like the golden ratio or something

now if you give me the equation for two identicle spheres

lets compare 3 identicle spheres, what equation can represent all the possible positions that three identicle symetrical spheres can touch each other

before you give up, i will have other aspects to add to dicover all the possible relations of 2, 3-dimensional  objects, and then 3 and 4 and so on,


FOR THOSE WHO HATE READING MY LONG POSTS, I BASICALLY JUST WANT AN EQUATION OR FORMULA TO REPRESENT ALL THE POSSIBLE POSITIONS OF 2 OF THE SAME 3-D OBJECTS WHILE TOUCHING, THEY MUST TOUCH, AND IF YOU CAN DO THIS GIVE ME AN EQUATION FOR 3 OBJECTS
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:15:07 PM
Why not use a venn diagram?
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:17:13 PM
Why not use a venn diagram?
can you answer the question bro, i dont know what this is my friend, i appreciate your enthusiasm however makes me feel good
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:21:58 PM
can you answer the question bro, i dont know what this is my friend, i appreciate your enthusiasm however makes me feel good

Venn diagrams are circles that represent the intersection between various things. On phone now but a pic would make it clear. I know you want a formula but a pic is just as useful a representation
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:22:42 PM
What've you been up to bro? You haven't been posting much lately.


hey bro, what have you been up to!? just researching and working, i did not know that out microscope can only look to the 10 to the 19th power, they speculate that 10 to the 31st power are the superstrings but still just speculating they say we are a ways off from looking in that far
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
Venn diagrams are circles that represent the intersection between various things. On phone now but a pic would make it clear. I know you want a formula but a pic is just as useful a representation

let me clarify i dont want the spheres to intersect, they are solid 3-D objects

if math is truly the one and only universal language then we must be able to represent it

for me personally i am having a trouble representing the almost ambiuously large number that would seem virtually close to infinity when representing all the possible positions two spheres can have while touching. lets keep in mind i am saving us the effort of any real calculation by dismissing the unit of measurmant
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:25:19 PM
let me clarify i dont want the spheres to intersect, they are solid 3-D objects

Gimme  2 I will make it clear on laptop
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:29:22 PM
Gimme  2 I will make it clear on laptop

the spheres can be any size bro, i need this formula the time is running out i am frightend i will not have a solution by tonite
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: B_B_C on September 18, 2014, 05:33:10 PM
can you answer the question bro, i dont know what this is my friend, i appreciate your enthusiasm however makes me feel good

if you don't now what a venn diagramme is you should study basic maths
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:35:24 PM
the spheres can be any size bro, i need this formula the time is running out i am frightend i will not have a solution by tonite

(http://i.imgur.com/pvI1zkl.png)

Before you complain, maths isn't all formulae.


This is the intersection between homos and bbing. No equation can put this more clearly.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Var City on September 18, 2014, 05:36:03 PM
the spheres can be any size bro, i need this formula the time is running out i am frightend i will not have a solution by tonite

falcon STOP being in contact with eric dollard

i warned you before. I am not an idiot. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ELECTRICITY. we both know what's happening here with you. and we both know what that shit does to people man. don't think you're different falcon

eric dollard has done this to SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Please take a breathe falcon.

That stuff feels good, yes, but understand that everyone here ACTUALLY has your back, and you need to know that at least ONE OF US knows what's going on here.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: che on September 18, 2014, 05:37:58 PM
the spheres can be any size bro, i need this formula the time is running out i am frightend i will not have a solution by tonite

I got the two spheres  touching Martin , I 'm working on the 3rd one.


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OrAfWWQju2w/Ub5702vGdcI/AAAAAAAAFNs/JIUr24eSoto/s1600/photo.JPG)
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
falcon STOP being in contact with eric dollard

i warned you before. I am not an idiot. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ELECTRICITY.

eric dollard has done this to SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Please take a breathe falcon.

Speed feels good, yes, but understand that everyone here ACTUALLY has your back, and you need to know that at least ONE OF US knows what's going on here.
i need a solution by the next hour, i already told him the spheres cannot be touching yet he saids a diagram with spheres overlapping
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: MP on September 18, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
6+9=69
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pvI1zkl.png)

Before you complain, maths isn't all formulae.


This is the intersection between homos and bbing. No equation can put this more clearly.

You didn't label the bottom circle. Isn't that part of the intersection to which you refer? Perhaps it represents heterosexuals?
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:38:56 PM
I got the two spheres  touching Martin , I 'm working on the 3rd one.


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OrAfWWQju2w/Ub5702vGdcI/AAAAAAAAFNs/JIUr24eSoto/s1600/photo.JPG)
glad to see that you are back alive bro
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Var City on September 18, 2014, 05:39:51 PM
i need a solution by the next hour, i already told him the spheres cannot be touching yet he saids a diagram with spheres overlapping

 so i am right about point 1

you are in contact with eric dollard, correct?

are you giving him money?

and also, please Falcon. be healthy. i know what's happening. and this isn't a joke. that shit will RUIN your body and mind.

be safe bud i'm here
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: OneMoreRep on September 18, 2014, 05:40:56 PM
FOR THOSE WHO HATE READING MY LONG POSTS, I BASICALLY JUST WANT AN EQUATION OR FORMULA TO REPRESENT ALL THE POSSIBLE POSITIONS OF 2 OF THE SAME 3-D OBJECTS WHILE TOUCHING, THEY MUST TOUCH, AND IF YOU CAN DO THIS GIVE ME AN EQUATION FOR 3 OBJECTS

The approach you're taking to this is probably not truly best suited for what you're trying to accomplish.

I don't know if an equation would work too well for what you're trying to visualize. What you should try is maybe another branch of mathematics called graph theory.

Put together a system of homeomorphically irreducible trees with a factor of 3 (n=3).

"1"
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:42:18 PM
i need a solution by the next hour, i already told him the spheres cannot be touching yet he saids a diagram with spheres overlapping
[/quote


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing_number_problem  This?

You didn't label the bottom circle. Isn't that part of the intersection to which you refer? Perhaps it represents heterosexuals?

I was lazy and gb is just homos and muscle worshippers anyway.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 05:42:27 PM
so i am right about point 1

you are in contact with eric dollard, correct?

are you giving him money?

and also, please Falcon. be healthy. i know what's happening. and this isn't a joke. that shit will RUIN your body and mind.

be safe bud i'm here
i havent asked for erics assistance on this bro, what is happening is i am trying to find a mathmatical formulae to represent all the possible positions two spheres can have while touching
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:54:25 PM
i havent asked for erics assistance on this bro, what is happening is i am trying to find a mathmatical formulae to represent all the possible positions two spheres can have while touching

OK just thinking this through in head while drunk, I came up with this. You need the radius of both spheres. Then take volume of sphere to be 4 x pi xr^3/3. I'm then thinking of having the spheres overlapping (or one consuming the other) and stretching out so that only one point of each sphere touches the other. My problem is knowing sphere sizes (irrelevant to a formula but I have to visualise it) and the fact that when you say where they touch with spheres you have an x, y and z axis so it becomes incredibly complicated.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 05:56:45 PM
Put it this way they touch in two places if overlapping, one if touching and are joined (0) if one inside the other (so 2 places overlapping or no places overlapping depending on scale).


*to make sense, if you have a tennis ball halfway inside a basketball you have two axes touching the basketball (say x and y as z runs through ball and its edge is inside basketball). If tennis ball is inside basketball (consumed/joining in my words) no points touch. If the tennis ball "kisses" the basketball one point touches.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 05:57:13 PM
two identicle objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation

LOOOOL>..


"identicle"



(http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-95923-0-97113400-1391627736.jpg)
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
OK just thinking this through in head while drunk, I came up with this. You need the radius of both spheres. Then take volume of sphere to be 4 x pi xr^3/3. I'm then thinking of having the spheres overlapping (or one consuming the other) and stretching out so that only one point of each sphere touches the other. My problem is knowing sphere sizes (irrelevant to a formula but I have to visualise it) and the fact that when you say where they touch with spheres you have an x, y and z axis so it becomes incredibly complicated.
Hi bro, no they are only going to have one axis, the point of contact, i agree this type of thinking gets to the truth of our the-king
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:05:58 PM
The approach you're taking to this is probably not truly best suited for what you're trying to accomplish.

I don't know if an equation would work too well for what you're trying to visualize. What you should try is maybe another branch of mathematics called graph theory.

Put together a system of homeomorphically irreducible trees with a factor of 3 (n=3).

"1"

It is 2 am here. If it was earlier I would honestly forward this to my dad who is a mathematician... he did a maths degree last year as a hobby after retiring and got first in his year.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
i havent asked for erics assistance on this bro, what is happening is i am trying to find a mathmatical formulae to represent all the possible positions two spheres can have while touching

Unfortunately, there is not enough information here to work this out. But here is a start, each sphere represents 360 degrees. Since each sphere can touch the other at any point on their respective circumferences, the answer requires knowing the size of each of the spheres. Your answer could then be expressed in degrees or whatever measure is agreed upon. For example, if each sphere is 2 ft. in diameter, then each sphere is 6.28 ft. in circumference. Expressed in feet, the spheres could touch in 39.4384 places. (C = π x d) x (C = π x d) =
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:11:14 PM
It is 2 am here. If it was earlier I would honestly forward this to my dad who is a mathematician... he did a maths degree last year as a hobby after retiring and got first in his year.
that is great would love to go on a camping trip with your dad who is a mathematician, in all seriousness would love to hear his take on this equation and maybe i could pay you to relay information and discuss important matters
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:16:45 PM
Unfortunately, there is not enough information here to work this out. But here is a start, each sphere represents 360 degrees. Since each sphere can touch the other at any point on their respective circumferences, the answer requires knowing the size of each of the spheres. Your answer could then be expressed in degrees or whatever measure is agreed upon. For example, if each sphere is 2 ft. in diameter, then each sphere is 6.28 ft. in circumference. Expressed in feet, the spheres could touch in 39.4384 places. (C = π x d) x (C = π x d) =

Could you explain c = n x d? I'm guesing d is diameter as we use radius here. Also rereading marty's original post it was any 2 identical symmetrical objects so two cubes or spheres. Normally I would pass this shit but I took modafinil today and am considering going back to studying maths for fun and it is pissing me off that I used to solve shit like this in a minute when I was 18.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:19:16 PM
Unfortunately, there is not enough information here to work this out. But here is a start, each sphere represents 360 degrees. Since each sphere can touch the other at any point on their respective circumferences, the answer requires knowing the size of each of the spheres. Your answer could then be expressed in degrees or whatever measure is agreed upon. For example, if each sphere is 2 ft. in diameter, then each sphere is 6.28 ft. in circumference. Expressed in feet, the spheres could touch in 39.4384 places. (C = π x d) x (C = π x d) =
this is fundamentally wrong my friend, im looking for all possible places they could touch, the number would far far excede that especially with spheres with a 2ft diameter we will have to talk to lustrals dad tonite
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:22:48 PM
Quote
i am trying to find the amount of possible positions two identicle objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation

without knowing the unit of measuremant how can this be expressed in an equation

i am hoping to solve this basic aspect in the next 15 minites then move on to the next step and the next and so on, finding equations to represent 3 and 4 symetrical identical objects ( lets use spheres)

Just to say, this means more than one axis is required. As a sphere moves into another the amount of Y axis will increase (assuming same size) will increase as it gets further into other sphere until it reaches middle (Y is same). For cubes this would be irrelevant if equally aligned on X axis or just moving laterally. If moving diagonally it would affect it.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:24:31 PM
Fuck it, I will post this on to my dad but will edit for grammatical correctness and see what I get. I would just forward thread but he would then be able to see my post history...
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 18, 2014, 06:27:36 PM
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:28:28 PM
Just to say, this means more than one axis is required. As a sphere moves into another the amount of Y axis will increase (assuming same size) will increase as it gets further into other sphere until it reaches middle (Y is same). For cubes this would be irrelevant if equally aligned on X axis or just moving laterally. If moving diagonally it would affect it.
no with cubes we encounter the same dilema, remeber the goal is to find all possible positions two of the same objects can have while touching, so with cubes we are going millions millions and billions and biilions of places they could touch. literally a number that is between very large and almost infinite
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:29:42 PM

enjoyed this movie may have to watch it again , but the premise of it being golden ratio based shows it needs to be studied more, not sure if the movie includes much other than the drama that identifies the phenominon
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:32:36 PM
no with cubes we encounter the same dilema, remeber the goal is to find all possible positions two of the same objects can have while touching, so with cubes we are going millions millions and billions and biilions of places they could touch. literally a number that is between very large and almost infinite

Email I sent dad before quoting you:

This is from a forum I go to. I will just quote it verbatim so ignore the grammar and spelling mistakes.

In essence, is there a formula to express how many possible points two symmetrical objects touch (sphere, cube - in 3 dimensions)? It will just be along 2 axes but those axes will vary depending on the shape (spherical would affect x,y and z axes even moving laterally hence x and y touching points would change) whereas a cube would only change in x  points moving laterally but x and y points if moving diagonally.


If he tells me to fuck off it means his iphone wasn't on silent. Will prob be 12 hours before I hear back.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:38:18 PM
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Sphere-SphereIntersection.html

Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
Email I sent dad before quoting you:

This is from a forum I go to. I will just quote it verbatim so ignore the grammar and spelling mistakes.

In essence, is there a formula to express how many possible points two symmetrical objects touch (sphere, cube - in 3 dimensions)? It will just be along 2 axes but those axes will vary depending on the shape (spherical would affect x,y and z axes even moving laterally hence x and y touching points would change) whereas a cube would only change in x  points moving laterally but x and y points if moving diagonally.


If he tells me to fuck off it means his iphone wasn't on silent. Will prob be 12 hours before I hear back.

im not sure why you add the part about them being along 2 axes , that overcomplicates things and is unessesary, i worded it perfectly no need to change it only some of my usual spelling errors.

the spheres can touch anywhere on each sphere, what is the equations that represents all possible points of touching
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:43:22 PM
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Sphere-SphereIntersection.html



im not talking about interection of spheres , im talking about touching solid spheres that cannot intersect because they are solid (but are saying touching is intersecting?) (by claiming its interesecting then you are also claiming nothing is solid in wich i guess you could be right atomically, thus would abandon the definition of solid because nothing is technically solid, but then you could assume solid is not a technical word but then technically solid IS a word because its in the dictionary)

 but as a side quesiton where exactly is the x-axis here ? (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/SphereSphereIntersection_700.gif)
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
im not sure why you add the part about them being along 2 axes , that overcomplicates things and is unessesary, i worded it perfectly no need to change it only some of my usual spelling errors.

the spheres can touch anywhere on each sphere, what is the equations that represents all possible points of touching


2 axes cos there will be points touching as it moves sideways or upwards and a sphere gets bigger the further in it goes. I just copy pasted some shit from a google search and it confirmed that but I can't process it at the minute.


Edit: when you said touching I thought you meant touching from one point to being balls deep?


Axes isn't jargon if that is your worry. x is left and right, y is up and down and z is back and forward.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
[quote[i am trying to find the amount of possible positions two identicle objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation[/quote]



That suggests where any part of two objects touch, not on surface, but if overlapping too. If on surface only it is simple.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:50:52 PM

2 axes cos there will be points touching as it moves sideways or upwards and a sphere gets bigger the further in it goes. I just copy pasted some shit from a google search and it confirmed that but I can't process it at the minute.


Edit: when you said touching I thought you meant touching from one point to being balls deep?


Axes isn't jargon if that is your worry. x is left and right, y is up and down and z is back and forward.

yes there will only be two points touching one on each object nothing more nothing less
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
[quote[i am trying to find the amount of possible positions two identicle solid objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation



That suggests where any part of two objects touch, not on surface, but if overlapping too. If on surface only it is simple.

i added solid to clarify unpermeability, i hope that helped
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Nails on September 18, 2014, 06:54:06 PM
LOOOOL>..


"identicle"



(http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-95923-0-97113400-1391627736.jpg)



LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!




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Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2014, 06:54:42 PM
i havent asked for erics assistance on this bro, what is happening is i am trying to find a mathmatical formulae to represent all the possible positions two spheres can have while touching
You have to study mathematics. There are mathematicians  on here that can guide/help you, but you need to have an understanding of math yourself. If you think of math as a language, if you don't understand say Spanish, then trying to communicate in Spanish is futile. So, you must learn  the language first in order to speak it.

Eric Dollard and those other people exploit people such as yourself. They try to convince people that they have some secret knowledge, and know more than other people.

If they are so knowledgable, why are they not working for top universities, or NASA? Why are they not winning Nobel Prizes?
The answer is simple, they are charlatans.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 06:56:05 PM
i added solid to clarify unpermeability, i hope that helped

Ok away from laptop again but that sounds like sphere kissing. And less interesting.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 06:57:25 PM
You have to study mathematics. There are mathematicians  on here that can guide/help you, but you need to have an understanding of math yourself. If you think of math as a language, if you don't understand say Spanish, then trying to communicate in Spanish is futile. So, you must learn  the language first in order to speak it.

Eric Dollard and those other people exploit people such as yourself. They try to convince people that they have some secret knowledge, and know more than other people.

If they are so knowledgable, why are they not working for top universities, or NASA? Why are they not winning Nobel Prizes?
The answer is simple, they are charlatans.
your premises are all wrong , this has nothing to do with big eric, but i dont like you talking shit about him, the fact is at the end of the day he could explain more crap about electricity then this whole board combined
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
Ok away from laptop again but that sounds like sphere kissing. And less interesting.
lol hahah but cmon we need a way to express this solid state matter!

expressing an identicle pair of solid state matter in all of its possible nodal points= more interesting

sphere kissing=less interesting
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Lustral on September 18, 2014, 07:04:47 PM
lol hahah but cmon we need a way to express this solid state matter!

expressing an identicle pair of solid state matter in all of its possible nodal points= more interesting

sphere kissing=less interesting

It is 3am here and I am working til 10pm min tomorrow night, laughing at Scotland No vote (wish I'd bet on it). You have inspired me to annoy my dad at 2.30am and want to get back to maths. Though dad will prob get a hard on doing some maths and mom will then be happy so all good.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 07:06:02 PM


LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!




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LOL...

all joke aside, here's your answer Joahnnay Falkanian... ... at least for spheres...


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Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
your premises are all wrong , this has nothing to do with big eric, but i dont like you talking shit about him, the fact is at the end of the day he could explain more crap about electricity then this whole board combined
It does have a lot to do with it. You were not talking about this until you started watching his and similar videos. Go back and look at your posts.

Eric has you believing he knows but he doesn't.
There are people on this who know more about "electricity" than he ever will. People with Masters and PHDs, and people who are electricians. And again, you proved what I said. He fools people into believing he knows more than other people. Look at what you just wrote in bold.
He has sold you a tale.
I knew of people like you who have fell for other people who have fooled others into believing that they know more than the general populace, and that only have the answers.
They present this in a way so that you only seek them. The followers are very protective and dismiss those who disagree, just like you just did. You are acting in the same way.
Usually the people who follow them have no real knowledge in what they are talking about.
And are not versed in mathematics, science, etc. The charlatans fool only those who are ignorant of certain subjects, and those who distrust others with degrees and who are learned.

Think about this, if you really wanted to know, you have universities nearby. Contact a professor at Duke, UNC, NC State. Or contact the local Community College professor. Right there in your own backyard.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 07:22:25 PM
It does have a lot to do with it. You were not talking about this until you started watching his and similar videos. Go back and look at your posts.

Eric has you believing he knows but he doesn't.
There are people on this who know more about "electricity" than he ever will. People with Masters and PHDs, and people who are electricians. And again, you proved what I said. He fools people into believing he knows more than other people. Look at what you just wrote in bold.
He has sold you a tale.
I knew of people like you who have fell for other people who have fooled others into believing that they know more than the general populace, and that only have the answers.
They present this in a way so that you only seek them.
Usually the people who follow them have know real knowledge in what they are talking about.
And are not versed in mathematics, science, etc. The charlatans fool only those who are ignorant of certain subjects, and those who distrust others with degrees and who are learned.

Think about this, if you really wanted to know, you have universities nearby. Contact a professor at Duke, UNC, NC State. Or contact the local Community College professor. Right there in your own backyard.

You're an idiot "Parker"....

btw the guy from F&F called, he said to use his character's name you oughta be at least 5'8".

Sorry chief.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
LOL...

all joke aside, here's your answer Joahnnay Falkanian... ... at least for spheres...


(http://cdn.instructables.com/FYB/9LHE/FQJZNXSZ/FYB9LHEFQJZNXSZ.LARGE.jpg)

can you explain what the letters or variables stand for brody?
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
i like parker he is one of those black guys who rebells against his own genetic predisposition , he is not afraid to give his two cents worth to whites knowing it could possible anger the hebrew gods that want him seperate from us
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2014, 07:26:20 PM
You're an idiot "Parker"....

btw the guy from F&F called, he said to use his character's name you oughta be at least 5'8".

Sorry chief.
Why, because I don't want to see JF go down a rabbit hole that I have seen other people? Or do you enjoy this?

Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 07:28:07 PM
Why, because I don't want to see JF go down a rabbit hole that I have seen other people? Or do you enjoy this?


parker you are a bit mis guided on this discussion , im not perfect either, but this has nothing to do with big eric
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
can you explain what the letters or variables stand for brody?

Sure chief...

SA = surface of a sphere
r = radius
Π = 3.1415926535897932384626 433832795028841971693993 75105820974944592307816 (and change)

Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
parker you are a bit mis guided on this discussion , im not perfect either, but this has nothing to do with big eric
if you say so, JF...
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 07:30:59 PM
Why, because I don't want to see JF go down a rabbit hole that I have seen other people? Or do you enjoy this?



I have no fucken clue what this mean.. Ebonics?
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Marty Champions on September 18, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
Sure chief...

SA = surface of a sphere
r = radius
Π = 3.1415926535897932384626 433832795028841971693993 75105820974944592307816 (and change)



beautifully done and so simple , how it should be, makes perfect sense, now i can finnaly be done with this just in time! i appreciate this!!! i am a bit saddened though i couldnt stump everyone, but nonetheless we have winner!
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2014, 09:01:15 PM
Could you explain c = n x d? I'm guesing d is diameter as we use radius here. Also rereading marty's original post it was any 2 identical symmetrical objects so two cubes or spheres. Normally I would pass this shit but I took modafinil today and am considering going back to studying maths for fun and it is pissing me off that I used to solve shit like this in a minute when I was 18.

Circumference = pi x diameter which is the same a circumference = radius x 2 x pi. This is simple math. πis the symbol for pi....it doesn't translate well to the font used here.

Marty did originally post any 2 identical symmetrical objects but later suggested they were spheres. Obviously, the formulas for other symmetrical objects are many and varied.

Truth be told, I was simply playing along with Marty. His mind works in curious ways. Clearly he has more inquisitiveness then knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being curious about how things work.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 09:03:18 PM
Circumference = pi x diameter which is the same a circumference = radius x 2 x pi. This is simple math. πis the symbol for pi....it doesn't translate well to the font used here.

Marty did originally post any 2 identical symmetrical objects but later suggested they were spheres. Obviously, the formulas for other symmetrical objects are many and varied.

Truth be told, I was simply playing along with Marty. His mind works in curious ways. Clearly he has more inquisitiveness then knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being curious about how things work.

I'm dealing with two spheres myself right now but they can't touch.... there may be a meat rod in the way...

(http://www.ebonyblog.net/wp-content/uploads/200/10/15.jpg)
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: ChopperRider on September 18, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
we can  represent anything as a mathmatical equation or formula, that supercedes language barries , lets get to work
here is my dilema

i am trying to find the amount of possible positions two identicle objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation

without knowing the unit of measuremant how can this be expressed in an equation

i am hoping to solve this basic aspect in the next 15 minites then move on to the next step and the next and so on, finding equations to represent 3 and 4 symetrical identical objects ( lets use spheres)

i am feeling there wont be just one equation to to represent the two spheres, but quite possibly it may just be one equation, it will need some variables and some abstract elements to it, but it should make sense, it is possible, to represent anything mathmatically correct?

if we use the best logic possible i feel we will start to find some peculiar patterns after we chart out enough spheres, something like the golden ratio or something

now if you give me the equation for two identicle spheres

lets compare 3 identicle spheres, what equation can represent all the possible positions that three identicle symetrical spheres can touch each other

before you give up, i will have other aspects to add to dicover all the possible relations of 2, 3-dimensional  objects, and then 3 and 4 and so on,


FOR THOSE WHO HATE READING MY LONG POSTS, I BASICALLY JUST WANT AN EQUATION OR FORMULA TO REPRESENT ALL THE POSSIBLE POSITIONS OF 2 OF THE SAME 3-D OBJECTS WHILE TOUCHING, THEY MUST TOUCH, AND IF YOU CAN DO THIS GIVE ME AN EQUATION FOR 3 OBJECTS

Seņor Falcon:

When the two spheres touch they have a small part of their respective surfaces come in contact. Like when two pool balls collide - a small surface area on one ball collides with a small surface area on the other ball.

So in your example if the balls are assumed to be the same size:

Surface area of ball/area of contact = number of potential contact points per ball.

Each contact point on one ball can contact every contact point on the other ball.

So....if the total surface area of the cue ball is 300 and the contact area is 1, then spot #1 on the cue ball can strike 300 different spots on the eight ball. Spot #2 on the cue ball can strike 300 different spots on the eight ball and so on.....or in essence 300 X 300 locations!

So the total possible locations is....(total surface area of ball/area of contact)^2

No big deal Champ....
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2014, 09:18:27 PM
this is fundamentally wrong my friend, im looking for all possible places they could touch, the number would far far excede that especially with spheres with a 2ft diameter we will have to talk to lustrals dad tonite

You are right. I was thinking in terms of circles which are one dimensional and clearly not spheres. My mistake.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: NightTrain on September 18, 2014, 09:23:19 PM
Like when two pool balls collide

Fuck it. Stop the press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shut down the Golden Gate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Turn the power off the Statue of Liberty.

ChopperRidder just fucking nailed it. Wake up Tesla, shit's about to get soooo fuckign real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Rami on September 19, 2014, 02:14:06 AM
depending on the shape of the objects, two or more points of simultaneous contact could theoretically occur too. This should also be factored into the equation.

We can not give up on this.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: FermiDirac on September 19, 2014, 02:39:33 AM
The Pauli exlusion principle dictates that two physical objects, such as spheres, will never touch each other. Hence your question is void. HTH.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: _bruce_ on September 19, 2014, 04:34:35 AM
The Pauli exlusion principle dictates that two physical objects, such as spheres, will never touch each other. Hence your question is void. HTH.

Leave Jay quantum mechanics out of this!
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Gonuclear on September 21, 2014, 09:49:22 PM
we can  represent anything as a mathmatical equation or formula, that supercedes language barries , lets get to work
here is my dilema

i am trying to find the amount of possible positions two identicle objects can have while touching, expressed in a mathmatical equation

without knowing the unit of measuremant how can this be expressed in an equation

i am hoping to solve this basic aspect in the next 15 minites then move on to the next step and the next and so on, finding equations to represent 3 and 4 symetrical identical objects ( lets use spheres)

i am feeling there wont be just one equation to to represent the two spheres, but quite possibly it may just be one equation, it will need some variables and some abstract elements to it, but it should make sense, it is possible, to represent anything mathmatically correct?

if we use the best logic possible i feel we will start to find some peculiar patterns after we chart out enough spheres, something like the golden ratio or something

now if you give me the equation for two identicle spheres

lets compare 3 identicle spheres, what equation can represent all the possible positions that three identicle symetrical spheres can touch each other

before you give up, i will have other aspects to add to dicover all the possible relations of 2, 3-dimensional  objects, and then 3 and 4 and so on,


FOR THOSE WHO HATE READING MY LONG POSTS, I BASICALLY JUST WANT AN EQUATION OR FORMULA TO REPRESENT ALL THE POSSIBLE POSITIONS OF 2 OF THE SAME 3-D OBJECTS WHILE TOUCHING, THEY MUST TOUCH, AND IF YOU CAN DO THIS GIVE ME AN EQUATION FOR 3 OBJECTS

1=2

See how easy that was?

And I owe it all to reading your brilliant posts.
Title: Re: i am attempting to create some sort of sector of mathmatical understanding
Post by: Var City on September 25, 2014, 10:05:32 PM
Yo Falcon how much u payin for meth down there?

How often u sleepin?