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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: warez4gold on September 21, 2014, 12:05:58 AM
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1. Grapefruit?
2. Getting in his face?
3. Legitimately lost based solely on his physique?
4. Gifted Nutrition paying off judges and/or key people in the IFBB?
5. A combo of the above?
Thoughts?
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Grapefruit
Towel
Watermelon
Gay posing
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Heath is able to articulate himself better. Plus, he doesn't have a jaded past, unlike Kai, unfortunately. :/ I like Kai and I really felt he should have won ... but Kai is not a good ambassador for the sport, sadly.
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Grapefruit
Towel
Watermelon
Gay posing
I wouldn't be surprised if they took all of those things into consideration. IMO, Kai deserved 1st place. The BBing industry is a huge farce and I doubt the people behind the sport are any different than the snake oil salesmen behind the supplement industry.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they took all of those things into consideration. IMO, Kai deserved 1st place. The BBing industry is a huge farce and I doubt the people behind the sport are any different than the snake oil salesmen behind the supplement industry.
They're not. Everything you just posted is correct. Bodybuilding is just one big joke.
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They're not. Everything you just posted is correct. Bodybuilding is just one big joke.
I still like to follow the athletes and all. It would be a hell of a lot cooler if they legalized anabolics and had the athletes and their coaches talk more openly about drug protocols.
There would be kids getting fucked up all over america no doubt.
Do you think the majority of the competitors at this year's olympia were taking more than 5g of gear a week?
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Wish I gave a shit. It just doesn't matter. Really.
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He didn't "win" because the judges gave Phil another gift, it doesn't matter who is the best bodybuilder on the day . What matters is who can make the powers that be the most money, if fb judging has gotten progressively worse over the years.
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Perfect score. Yep.
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Perfect score. Yep.
Pathetic.....in every sense of the word. Not your post, rather the perfect score for what presents as the whiny bitch that is the current Mr O. Dorian, Ronnie....were men - this current clown in comparison.....wtf
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He didn't "win" because the judges gave Phil another gift, it doesn't matter who is the best bodybuilder on the day . What matters is who can make the powers that be the most money, if fb judging has gotten progressively worse over the years.
And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?
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And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?
I hear what you're saying and I see you're angle. To be fair I would have given it to Shawn or dex
Phil Heath was not the best bodybuilder on stage nor should he have earned a perfect score.
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1. Abusing a grapefruit
2. White Towel incident
3. My favorite ;D getbig.com
I'm pretty sure the judges visit getbig and saw the numerous threads about KAI...
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I hear what you're saying and I see you're angle. To be fair I would have given it to Shawn or dex
Phil Heath was not the best bodybuilder on stage nor should he have earned a perfect score.
Shawn and Dex beat Phil and Kai from the front aesthetically and to my eyes probably in the condition department. Shawn lacks separation in the arms. But when they turn around, Shawn lacks back detail and thickness. It could be argued that Dex hangs with Phil and Kai in that department.
They already had Dex as the 2008 Mr. O, rewarding him for his consistency, and beating Jay...I don't think that they will do it again.
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90% the Gay 4 Pay, you just can't be that out there with it, and win. It would signal Weider Group's tacit approval of the underbelly of bodybuilding, so you give him the safe place of second that rewards him, but doesn't let him be the face of bodybuilding.
5% Incumbent factor, you real have to blow the current winner off the stage to win. If you're just edging him out, or it's a toss up, it will usually go to the incumbent. Also see grapefruit factor.
5% Phil being more relateable to everyone. He's arrogant, but he's sort of got an all American boy factor happening. I like Kai, but he's a wild one. Phil is more toward the center, so it attracts more on average.
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And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?
I'm not sure of this, because Phil had a perfect score without abs in pre-judging while Kai balanced the score cards by the end of round. Fans are just getting a hyped match up. Kai will be the maid of honor for the next 2 -3 yrs until they can find palatable option in his place. Phil won't make it to 8-0, but he will win more than 8 I think.
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1. Grapefruit?
2. Getting in his face?
3. Legitimately lost based solely on his physique?
4. Gifted Nutrition paying off judges and/or key people in the IFBB?
5. A combo of the above?
Thoughts?
Because he looked like complete shit at the Finals, flat like a pancake and smooth, while Phil came 200 % improved from pre-judging.#
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_4344~2.jpg) (http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_4451~3.jpg)
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Because he looked like complete shit at the Finals, flat like a pancake and smooth, while Phil came 200 % improved from pre-judging.#
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_4344~2.jpg) (http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_4451~3.jpg)
Shhh conspiracy theories are more fun
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Glad I gave up and went to bed during the 212's. I wake up, check the results, and shake my head realizing how much this is a crooked, political, business.
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I'm not sure of this, because Phil had a perfect score without abs in pre-judging while Kai balanced the score cards by the end of round. Fans are just getting a hyped match up. Kai will be the maid of honor for the next 2 -3 yrs until they can find palatable option in his place. Phil won't make it to 8-0, but he will win more than 8 I think.
I get that as well. Kai should get used to the Cormier factor---Cormier coming in 2nd 6x in a row at the Arnold Classic.
I think Kai really pushed Phil this year, and Phil needs to come in like a 2003 Ronnie to really do damage next year.
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I get that as well. Kai should get used to the Cormier factor---Cormier coming in 2nd 6x in a row at the Arnold Classic.
I think Kai really pushed Phil this year, and Phil needs to come in like a 2003 Ronnie to really do damage next year.
Phil got straight firsts , Kai didn't make a dent on him.
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Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:
a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)
b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.
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90% the Gay 4 Pay, you just can't be that out there with it, and win. It would signal Weider Group's tacit approval of the underbelly of bodybuilding, so you give him the safe place of second that rewards him, but doesn't let him be the face of bodybuilding.
5% Incumbent factor, you real have to blow the current winner off the stage to win. If you're just edging him out, or it's a toss up, it will usually go to the incumbent. Also see grapefruit factor.
5% Phil being more relateable to everyone. He's arrogant, but he's sort of got an all American boy factor happening. I like Kai, but he's a wild one. Phil is more toward the center, so it attracts more on average.
Nailed it!!
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Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:
a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)
b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.
Desperately trying to hold onto some vestige of decency? Nobody likes a grapefruit rapist? Kai's a disgusting man-ho and outside of schmoes, nobody likes a man-ho?
I would go with the last one. Kai is pretty much a grapefruit rapist but how do we know the grapefruit incident wasn't consensual? But. Kai is a slut.
SLUT.
Nobody likes a slut. Not even the mother of a slut. Kai's a SLUT.
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Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:
a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)
b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.
It wouldn't keep him from winning , these people need an excuse for why Kai came in soft and holding water. These are the same people who will call the judges ' gay ' which would work in Kai's favor if anything.
Kai lost because he's to damn heavy and his conditioning sucks for it.
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Phil got straight firsts , Kai didn't make a dent on him.
True, but visually, it was close. Phil may have gotten straight firsts, but when you look at them, Phil needs to come in like better version of 2011-2012. Just to show that he is dominant. Because it is not just Kai he must worry about, but Rhoden, Ramy, Wolf, and even possibly Cedric.
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same judges same result
derpidy derp
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Desperately trying to hold onto some vestige of decency? Nobody likes a grapefruit rapist? Kai's a disgusting man-ho and outside of schmoes, nobody likes a man-ho?
I would go with the last one. Kai is pretty much a grapefruit rapist but how do we know the grapefruit incident wasn't consensual? But. Kai is a slut.
SLUT.
Nobody likes a slut. Not even the mother of a slut. Kai's a SLUT.
Yet, an openly gay black man in the far-more-conservative 80s ends up Mr. Olympia. That doesn't compute.
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Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:
a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)
b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.
Dickerson was quietly and respectfully gay, and there was no internet. He did Colt magazine shoots, but you had to really look for them. With Kai, the Grapefruit thing is right up front, and the under towel gif is just under that. You can have a Gay Mr. Olympia, you can probably do artsy pictures now, but the hardcore bizarre gay for pay won't fly for the face of bodybuilding.
You've got old men running the boards of these companies that might consider it a blow to supplement sales, etc.... The Olympia isn't about bodybuilding, it's about marketing, sales, and promotion of supplements on the back end. You can't risk the mainstream getting a full on look at all the prostitution, etc.... that is inherent to bodybuilding right up front like you do with Kai, they have to be slowly broken in like we were :).
As for female bodybuilding, those girls aren't winning the big show, The Olympia. And to be honest no one gives a shit about Female bodybuilding, except for schmoes, and they are their own little sub class.
Kai will never be Olympia.
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Yet, an openly gay black man in the far-more-conservative 80s ends up Mr. Olympia. That doesn't compute.
Look, I think Dickerson was the worst Mr. O ever, but his homosexuality I could care less about because quite honestly I don't ever expect to meet the guy. He dropped by the gym I used in the 80s once when I wasn't around. Was told he was openly chasing wangs while there and the general comment was "Gross!" except among those who were homosexual. Supposedly an otherwise nice guy but I still think he stunk as Mr. Olympia.
Bob Paris would have made an excellent Mr. Olympia with a physique, classic good looks and demeanor far superior to the Kai of today.
Again, Kai is a slut.
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I'm wondering how "Gifted Nutrition" could be a sponsor at the Olympia?.....isn't that a conflict of interest?
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Dickerson was quietly and respectfully gay, and there was no internet. He did Colt magazine shoots, but you had to really look for them. With Kai, the Grapefruit thing is right up front, and the under towel gif is just under that. You can have a Gay Mr. Olympia, you can probably do artsy pictures now, but the hardcore bizarre gay for pay won't fly for the face of bodybuilding.
You've got old men running the boards of these companies that might consider it a blow to supplement sales, etc.... The Olympia isn't about bodybuilding, it's about marketing, sales, and promotion of supplements on the back end. You can't risk the mainstream getting a full on look at all the prostitution, etc.... that is inherent to bodybuilding right up front like you do with Kai, they have to be slowly broken in like we were :).
As for female bodybuilding, those girls aren't winning the big show, The Olympia. And to be honest no one gives a shit about Female bodybuilding, except for schmoes, and they are their own little sub class.
Kai will never be Olympia.
Didn't somoene just mention that he trained in a gym where Dickerson appeared to train...and get his Brokeback on?
As for the "women", I do recall seeing Iris Kyle in some of these ads (before she got her implants, even). I don't think she went to the extremes of Masino, Moher, Quaresma, et. al. but........
Lenda Murray's been naked before, but (to my knowledge), no lesbian stuff or use of sex toys.
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I'm wondering how "Gifted Nutrition" could be a sponsor at the Olympia?.....isn't that a conflict of interest?
Several other competitors sponsors also sponsored the olympia. It's not Phil's fault he works for himself
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imagine if Peyton Manning's O-line were allowed to hold on every play.
Imagine if he Denver defenders were allowed to hold on every play.
Imagine if Peyton's points counted, but the other teams' points didn't count.
imagine the if Refs could just give 100% of the calls, points to one team and not explain why.
LOL Phil with straight 1's. Amazing.
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Didn't somoene just mention that he trained in a gym where Dickerson appeared to train...and get his Brokeback on?
That's different though, even if Dickerson was cruising for guys, he's still only in contact with a couple of dozen people each time, and the magazines aren't covering it, and it is only spreading as far as gym gossip goes. Now you click a few links and you've got Kai getting fellated in a dark bar by a few lust filled guys.
Dickerson's moments that you physically had to search gay porn stores for -
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cVtVrlcah0M/Uso-JHWdHxI/AAAAAAAADD0/bZN4VWtPhU8/s1600/ChrisDickerson_BobMizer.jpg).
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yZahn23QVAw/UjScAX76MYI/AAAAAAAAT-w/4IIc0Gzf6ug/s1600/AMG+Chris+Dickerson+003.jpg).
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_lUz-aIbPecs/SuHyJr_s4fI/AAAAAAAAD7o/e12wIGndHy4/s1600/006_chris_dickerson.jpg).
Vs.
Kai's, which show up in 90% of threads he's mentioned in -
(http://i52.tinypic.com/294rz2f.jpg).
(http://giant.gfycat.com/RewardingQuickGuppy.gif).
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Dickerson was quietly and respectfully gay, and there was no internet. He did Colt magazine shoots, but you had to really look for them. With Kai, the Grapefruit thing is right up front, and the under towel gif is just under that. You can have a Gay Mr. Olympia, you can probably do artsy pictures now, but the hardcore bizarre gay for pay won't fly for the face of bodybuilding.
You've got old men running the boards of these companies that might consider it a blow to supplement sales, etc.... The Olympia isn't about bodybuilding, it's about marketing, sales, and promotion of supplements on the back end. You can't risk the mainstream getting a full on look at all the prostitution, etc.... that is inherent to bodybuilding right up front like you do with Kai, they have to be slowly broken in like we were :).
BB you are on a roll....this is the only answer. Nuff said.
As for female bodybuilding, those girls aren't winning the big show, The Olympia. And to be honest no one gives a shit about Female bodybuilding, except for schmoes, and they are their own little sub class.
Kai will never be Olympia.
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And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?
After this Olympia, how much more can Kai prove?....he just will never win this thing.....if the IFBB refuse to see their 4 time champion was off and couldnt see that Kai was the winner, then we have a problem, but wait a minute, this had happened before......
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I get that as well. Kai should get used to the Cormier factor---Cormier coming in 2nd 6x in a row at the Arnold Classic.
I think Kai really pushed Phil this year, and Phil needs to come in like a 2003 Ronnie to really do damage next year.
That's what I'm getting. Instead of playing cat and mouse with Phil at the O, he would have pocketed 500k-750k with multiple Arnold victories and still finished second to Phil. That money would be handy since he's over 40 and moving towards the end of his career.
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(http://giant.gfycat.com/RewardingQuickGuppy.gif)
Sad. :(
That's all black men in the audience. Alotta undercover fags in the black community.
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In addition to his fondness for citrus, I think the old "sock on the cock" pic had a hand in keeping Kai from winning......
(http://www.muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=943)
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Because no flow. Put together like a bag of shit and came in smooth. Watery. Thick skin
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-legs too long for torso
-overweight, boasting about having "40lbs on heath", 40lbs of fat, water and cranial mass maybe
-went crazy on syntholing his arms, they look like balls of puss in the most muscular
-he poses like a nasty stripper which is distracting and repulsive
-retarded haircut
-acts like a ghetto man child in conference and on stage
that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure i left out some important points
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-legs too long for torso
-overweight, boasting about having "40lbs on heath", 40lbs of fat, water and cranial mass maybe
-went crazy on syntholing his arms, they look like balls of puss in the most muscular
-he poses like a nasty stripper which is distracting and repulsive
-retarded haircut
-acts like a ghetto man child in conference and on stage
that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure i left out some important points
booooooooooom
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booooooooooom
that being said i take nothing from this great athelete
:D
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I wouldn't be surprised if they took all of those things into consideration. IMO, Kai deserved 1st place. The BBing industry is a huge farce and I doubt the people behind the sport are any different than the snake oil salesmen behind the supplement industry.
This.
I was amazed that the President of the IFBB gave HIMSELF the first Joe Wierder lifetime achievement award. What a ridiculous circle jerk.
Does anyone want to set out the business ties between Weider and Phil and contrast them to those between Weider and Kai. I'm guessing Weider makes a lot more money by Phil winning than by Kai winning.
The contest is really an advertorial for Weider athletes and should be seen as such rather than a fair appraisal of the achievements of each athlete.
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because mr Olympia is not about who has the best physique
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because mr Olympia is not about who has the best physique
if it were then dexter should be top 3 and not kai
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if it were then dexter should be top 3 and not kai
you sir are the type of gentleman who eats the pussies of whores and are therefor irrelevent
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dexter is the man
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Because he looked like complete shit at the Finals, flat like a pancake and smooth, while Phil came 200 % improved from pre-judging.#
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_4344~2.jpg) (http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_4451~3.jpg)
Aside from Phil's tiny traps and pecs and horrible midsection, he does look half decent in that shot.
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because mr Olympia is not about who has the best physique
kai shit physique got man handled by phil. Wtf you talking about willis
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True, but visually, it was close. Phil may have gotten straight firsts, but when you look at them, Phil needs to come in like better version of 2011-2012. Just to show that he is dominant. Because it is not just Kai he must worry about, but Rhoden, Ramy, Wolf, and even possibly Cedric.
Haha Cedric ain't doing shit
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Haha Cedric ain't doing shit
>:( >:( >:(
Don't you say that!!! Don't you say that!!! Have faith!!!
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Because no flow. Put together like a bag of shit and came in smooth. Watery. Thick skin
Yep
How a lot of people always say the Phil hype yet I don't get the Kai hype, he looks like shit! Dexter is ten times the bber of Kai
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I honestly think the jokes on us. Every year we get excited about the changing of the guard but after 50 years you can count on one hand the times the reigning title holder has been defeated. We really should appreciate Dexter s win in 08 more. It's not about the best physique, and I'm not sure it ever has been. Teh schmoes have already had their lust of Kaiquenched, they know he can be had for a price, Phil on the other hand is now the top fantasy boy toy. If he breaks, they'll move on. Kulco is next in line to be rewarded, the same way Cutler and Branch have been rewarded for their life long commitment.
We'll all be disappointed next year too, prep yourself now.
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I honestly think the jokes on us. Every year we get excited about the changing of the guard but after 50 years you can count on one hand the times the reigning title holder has been defeated. We really should appreciate Dexter s win in 08 more. It's not about the best physique, and I'm not sure it ever has been. Teh schmoes have already had their lust of Kaiquenched, they know he can be had for a price, Phil on the other hand is now the top fantasy boy toy. If he breaks, they'll move on. Kulco is next in line to be rewarded, the same way Cutler and Branch have been rewarded for their life long commitment.
We'll all be disappointed next year too, prep yourself now.
Kuclo couldn't get dried out even if they hanged him in a barn full of tobacco for two weeks.
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Kuclo couldn't get dried out even if they hanged him in a barn full of tobacco for two weeks.
I don't disagree however the Mr. O isn't about who has the best physique; my best guess is its about who can keep the money train moving forward.
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This.
I was amazed that the President of the IFBB gave HIMSELF the first Joe Wierder lifetime achievement award. What a ridiculous circle jerk.
You forgot his personal piggybank NPC nonprofit pays his fat son's studio $1M a year to publish a magazine no one sees or reads.
Kai is just an apple floating in a cesspool.
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I don't disagree however the Mr. O isn't about who has the best physique; my best guess is its about who can keep the money train moving forward.
The problem is, they cannot justify Kuclo if he subpar...they can't leapfrog him over those who are far better in terms of conditioning, shape, freakiness, separation.
Sure, they can give him a win over Beyeke, particularly when I believe a friend of his was either judging the show or was a promoter, but when you have something like the Arnold or O, you have to be on point (unless you are Branch)...
If Kuclo is on point, I can see them justifying him.
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Kuclo couldn't get dried out even if they hanged him in a barn full of tobacco for two weeks.
He's getting better
Maybe u should take a trip down to dallas and see for yourself , he has ways to go but the judges aren't to like him
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For those who really think that 'the business' cares about Kai's past doings, then why the hell would 'the business' give him his Arnold titles? Same fucking shit.
Kai looked great at prejudging and went downhill from there.
Phil's turned into a strange little man with a complex of some kind.
My point: they gotta start taking away the damn mics from everybody.
In the end, the state of pro bodybuilding is as it always was. Take it or leave it.
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Kuclo couldn't get dried out even if they hanged him in a barn full of tobacco for two weeks.
;D
Lonnie tried to sell Kuclo off as smart and something special but Chris A was like WTF! Yes, Kai is a bit like Frankstein's monster, just a bunch of pieces, but at least he isn't glazed Texas cowhide like Kuclo. Jay got more veins than Steve.
(http://media.erincooks.com/images/doughnuts/doughnuts5.jpg)
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He's getting better
Maybe u should take a trip down to dallas and see for yourself , he has ways to go but the judges aren't to like him
He let Arlington to train in the AC in Plano. I have family in Murphy and Frisco.
He should train with bbers instead of a new wife every 2-3 years. Dude is worst than Coach.
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The problem is, they cannot justify Kuclo if he subpar...they can't leapfrog him over those who are far better in terms of conditioning, shape, freakiness, separation.
Sure, they can give him a win over Beyeke, particularly when I believe a friend of his was either judging the show or was a promoter, but when you have something like the Arnold or O, you have to be on point (unless you are Branch)...
If Kuclo is on point, I can see them justifying him.
We, the fans, keep acting like there is accountability. There isn't and there never has been. Looking at the top ten who's going to be left competing when it's time to pass the torch, everyone ahead of him is closer to the end of the career rather than the beginning, outside of Ramy.
I could care less who won, but Heath shouldn't have gotten a clean victory, Kai, despite his past or how he looked at the night show, was better in pre judging. He should have showed in the same condition for the finals; the fact that he'd couldn't/wouldn't/didn't says everything. If he can't keep the same conditioning for 48 hours, after a lifetime of competing, than he didn't deserve to win. Or he's in the wrong sport.
That said if it was decided it was Kulcos time he'd win, period.
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Look, I think Dickerson was the worst Mr. O ever, but his homosexuality I could care less about because quite honestly I don't ever expect to meet the guy. He dropped by the gym I used in the 80s once when I wasn't around. Was told he was openly chasing wangs while there and the general comment was "Gross!" except among those who were homosexual. Supposedly an otherwise nice guy but I still think he stunk as Mr. Olympia.
Bob Paris would have made an excellent Mr. Olympia with a physique, classic good looks and demeanor far superior to the Kai of today.
Again, Kai is a slut.
Read in an old magazine that Dickerson was one of a set of triplet boys. You think his brother is gay, if homosexuality is genetic (one of his brothers drowned at age 20)?
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;D
Lonnie tried to sell Kuclo off as smart and something special but Chris A was like WTF! Yes, Kai is a bit like Frankstein's monster, just a bunch of pieces, but at least he isn't glazed Texas cowhide like Kuclo. Jay got more veins than Steve.
(http://media.erincooks.com/images/doughnuts/doughnuts5.jpg)
:)
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He let Arlington to train in the AC in Plano. I have family in Murphy and Frisco.
He should train with bbers instead of a new wife every 2-3 years. Dude is worst than Coach.
He doesn't train with his wife I see him all the time, went back to old school lifting with two other bbers