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Title: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Wolfox on September 22, 2014, 12:07:50 PM: I don't.

Too many factors not in my control.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Wez on September 22, 2014, 12:09:09 PM: Yes
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: King Shizzo on September 23, 2014, 02:50:32 PM: Quote from: Wolfox on September 22, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
I don't.

Too many factors not in my control.
What is the definition of free will?
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Wez on September 23, 2014, 05:34:43 PM: IMO free will is the belief that you and only you have the power to make your life whatever you want it to be. As opposed to fate or pre-destination.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: The Ugly on September 23, 2014, 06:58:54 PM: Quote from: Wolfox on September 22, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
I don't.

Too many factors not in my control.

But those factors only suggest you choose the most beneficial path, no? One could certainly assert his free will in a detrimental fashion, just to prove a point, but he'd have to suffer the consequences.

Is this what you mean by "factors"? Like pulling an Office Space instead of going to work and paying bills, etc.?
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: King Shizzo on September 23, 2014, 08:31:25 PM: Quote from: Wez on September 23, 2014, 05:34:43 PM
IMO free will is the belief that you and only you have the power to make your life whatever you want it to be. As opposed to fate or pre-destination.
There are too many outside factors imo. What you can do, is make the best out of every situation.

Unless you get murdered or something.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: The Ugly on September 23, 2014, 08:43:04 PM: Quote from: Shizzo on September 23, 2014, 08:31:25 PM
There are too many outside factors imo.

The choice still remains with the individual, correct?
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: King Shizzo on September 23, 2014, 09:13:26 PM: Quote from: The Ugly on September 23, 2014, 08:43:04 PM
The choice still remains with the individual, correct?
The choice to pursue or believe in something, not necessarily the outcome.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: The Ugly on September 23, 2014, 11:07:13 PM: Quote from: Shizzo on September 23, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
The choice to pursue or believe in something, not necessarily the outcome.

Since when is outcome related to free will, though? Choice is free will as far as I understand it.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: King Shizzo on September 24, 2014, 03:36:50 AM: Quote from: The Ugly on September 23, 2014, 11:07:13 PM
Since when is outcome related to free will, though? Choice is free will as far as I understand it.
I was referring to the person who said free will is the power to make your life whatever you want it to be.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: The Ugly on September 24, 2014, 09:01:47 AM: Quote from: Shizzo on September 24, 2014, 03:36:50 AM
I was referring to the person who said free will is the power to make your life whatever you want it to be.

Oh, fuck that retarded "Secret" nonsense, got nothing to do with free will.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Radical Plato on September 24, 2014, 09:29:14 AM: Sam Harris, a respected neuroscientist claims FREE WILL is an illusion.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Wolfox on September 24, 2014, 10:02:48 AM: Quote from: The Ugly on September 23, 2014, 11:07:13 PM
Since when is outcome related to free will, though? Choice is free will as far as I understand it.

But when "choice" is predicated upon factors(e.g. genetic, social, cultural, environmental, historical) that you have absolutely no control over, how exactly is that free will?

I have no more free will than a child has a choice in being born.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Wolfox on September 24, 2014, 10:05:51 AM: We're all just characters in this grand play.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: The Ugly on September 24, 2014, 09:31:52 PM: Not sure how we're defining free will, I guess.
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: haider on September 24, 2014, 10:13:33 PM: Reminds me of a joke:
"A voice whispered to me last night: 'There is no such thing as a voice whispering in the night!'"
Title: Re: Do you believe in free will?
Post by: Gonuclear on September 24, 2014, 11:20:07 PM: Quote from: Radical Plato on September 24, 2014, 09:29:14 AM
Sam Harris, a respected neuroscientist claims FREE WILL is an illusion.

Harris has published exactly one thing - his Phd thesis. Which was pretty trivial. Enough to get him his doctorate, bit as a neuroscientist, he's a cipher. A know-it-all, smartass schmuck.

But I don't mean that in a bad way.