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ok so this wall power outlet has four wires coming out of it, i can tell a single wire apart, i have no way of knowing they are all black with insulation. i took the outlet out because it wasnt working
i just bought a multimeter today but the instructions really suck it wasnt expensive though just not sure how to use the damn thing
i got all the power shut off in this house so im not working on live wires like a moron
on the back of the outlet there are no identification markers as to where the wires should be hooked into the screws on the outlet ( i realize that the older outlets have no identification markers for where the wires should go)
i just dont know how the hell to identify each wire, and the the other two outlets have 4 wires in them each (they are both outlets like this (http://www.terrauniversal.com/gallery/cleanrooms/Images/cleanrooms_utility_outlet_100520IMG_1971.jpg)
thanks for the help
ive been reading alot latley studying the MIT courses in the electricity and magnetism very good stuff a shitload of equations on coulombs section of electricity now, havent read any eric dollards stuff latley just checking out what standard science is saying im on lecture 3 its rather fascinating when you have one charge thats negative and one charge thats positive they attract , and two positive charges will repell (this is true electrostatics meaning action at a distance)
lets say billy falcon is negative charged and wilson f is also negative charge they will repell via the electric field lines of force now the fascinating part is there is much debate on what these lines of force consist of that are moving billy and wilson away from each other, many claim its photons, no real consice answer
if you want to know what i know (but dont even yet know how to identify the wires or use a multimeter yet ;D) check these videos hope you will find them interesting
this is like free education of the highest order, god like knowledge for free
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falcon your intellect is wasted on manual labor
you could be a leader of men and live a life of kings
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falcon your intellect is wasted on manual labor
you could be a leader of men and live a life of kings
i feel one can live a life of a king and not waste time with manual labor but in order to get there one must master the electricity first
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i feel one can live a life of a king and not waste time with manual labor but in order to get there one must master the electricity first
just hire an electrician to take care of that for you
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ok so this wall power outlet has four wires coming out of it, i can tell a single wire apart, i have no way of knowing they are all black with insulation. i took the outlet out because it wasnt working
i just bought a multimeter today but the instructions really suck it wasnt expensive though just not sure how to use the damn thing
i got all the power shut off in this house so im not working on live wires like a moron
you're never gonna know if it's working with no power getting to it. turn the power back on and then give it a try
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just hire an electrician to take care of that for you
there is much joy in knowing and discovery
i was so happy when i fixed my oil sending switch the other week same goes for my window regular and window moter i fixed everything and will continue to do so. once you experience knowing how to do something that most people dont know how to do you will be a changed man and have bigger dreams
there is no joy in not knowing
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there is much joy in knowing and discovery
i was so happy when i fixed my oil sending switch the other week same goes for my window regular and window moter i fixed everything and will continue to do so. once you experience knowing how to do something that most people dont know how to do you will be a changed man and have bigger dreams
there is no joy in not knowing
Best post I've read in a long time, couldn't agree more.
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you're never gonna know if it's working with no power getting to it. turn the power back on and then give it a try
i know what 110 v's feel like no big deal my power drill was wired up wrong i thought i could use a two prong cord instead of three well when i use the drill i become the ground and shocks my hand pretty good :) gonna have to get a 3 prong plug, the wire/plug got ripped out because it was hanging out my door when driving
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Best post I've read in a long time, couldn't agree more.
the MIT vids above are great, there is so much to learn, im gonna have to relearn some algebra aswell nothing too strenous. i need to learn the epsilon equation too so many equations its not that difficult i like to know why and how they came up with the coulomb and the epsilon and phi, alpha, delta ect
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how the hell is falcon so smart and enlightened despite all the paint fumes eating away at his brain
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how the hell is falcon so smart and enlightened despite all the paint fumes eating away at his brain
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how the hell is falcon so smart and enlightened despite all the paint fumes eating away at his brain
that's from doing the true jethro tull workout for years....
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there is much joy in knowing and discovery
i was so happy when i fixed my oil sending switch the other week same goes for my window regular and window moter i fixed everything and will continue to do so. once you experience knowing how to do something that most people dont know how to do you will be a changed man and have bigger dreams
there is no joy in not knowing
You have just disproven that "ignorance is bliss".
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Hairline and facial features of the Titans.
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If my English teacher hasn't died already she is rolling somewhere.
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Hairline and facial features of the Titans.
i enjoyed that movie, any more like that available watchable on youtube or something, all i do is study electricity i need some good movies
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so guys/gays how do i determine what these four wires are
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what type of probe/tester do i need to safely test these wires??????????\
please help immediatley!!!!
and why are there four wires thought there would only be two or three wires
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just hire an electrician to take care of that for you
HIRE?? Medicare doesn't pay for that crazy!!! Lol. Marty can't hire anyone - but he just needs to get mo high and he be aw ight
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There are four wires because this outlet in has power coming in to it and going out of it to another outlet. Newer wiring would also have a ground wire which would be sheathed in green or just bare copper. Unfortunately, it appears from the photo you posted that the insulation is discolored with age which makes it harder to tell which is the neutral/white wire and which is the hot wire/black visually, so you need to use a tester.
Turn the power back on. Test with the voltage tester. A noncontact voltage tester is easy and safe to use as you don't have to actually touch the wire. Turn on the tester and bring the tip close to the exposed end of each wire. The hot one will give a visual and audible alert. Most likely the neutral wire is white and the hot wire is red or black, but test to make sure.
Buy a new outlet. the hot/black wires should be attached to the brass colored screws and the neutral wires to the silver colored ones. Since there probably is no ground wire, you can ignore the green screw.
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There are four wires because this outlet in has power coming in to it and going out of it to another outlet. Newer wiring would also have a ground wire which would be sheathed in green or just bare copper. Unfortunately, it appears from the photo you posted that the insulation is discolored with age which makes it harder to tell which is the neutral/white wire and which is the hot wire/black visually, so you need to use a tester.
Turn the power back on. Test with the voltage tester. A noncontact voltage tester is easy and safe to use as you don't have to actually touch the wire. Turn on the tester and bring the tip close to the exposed end of each wire. The hot one will give a visual and audible alert. Most likely the neutral wire is white and the hot wire is red or black, but test to make sure.
Buy a new outlet. the hot/black wires should be attached to the brass colored screws and the neutral wires to the silver colored ones. Since there probably is no ground wire, you can ignore the green screw.
dude man seriously thanks alot!
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There are four wires because this outlet in has power coming in to it and going out of it to another outlet. Newer wiring would also have a ground wire which would be sheathed in green or just bare copper. Unfortunately, it appears from the photo you posted that the insulation is discolored with age which makes it harder to tell which is the neutral/white wire and which is the hot wire/black visually, so you need to use a tester.
Turn the power back on. Test with the voltage tester. A noncontact voltage tester is easy and safe to use as you don't have to actually touch the wire. Turn on the tester and bring the tip close to the exposed end of each wire. The hot one will give a visual and audible alert. Most likely the neutral wire is white and the hot wire is red or black, but test to make sure.
Buy a new outlet. the hot/black wires should be attached to the brass colored screws and the neutral wires to the silver colored ones. Since there probably is no ground wire, you can ignore the green screw.
thanks for your help no one gave a shit except you man, you let me know if you ever think i can help bro later man
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thanks for your help no one gave a shit except you man, you let me know if you ever think i can help bro later man
You're welcome. Basic electrical wiring is pretty straight forward when you follow the directions. Make sure all your connections are good and tight. Loose connections are a common cause of electrical fires. Old outlets often develop slop in the receptacle making for a poor connection or none, (like putting a small penis in a stretched out vagina) ;D. This is why it is a good idea to replace them when they become troublesome.
When it comes to plumbing, I run the other way. Unlike electrical wiring, plumbing is never as it seems (at least when I do it). I think I have everything connected right and then it leaks.
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You're welcome. Basic electrical wiring is pretty straight forward when you follow the directions. Make sure all your connections are good and tight. Loose connections are a common cause of electrical fires. Old outlets often develop slop in the receptacle making for a poor connection or none, (like putting a small penis in a stretched out vagina) ;D. This is why it is a good idea to replace them when they become troublesome.
When it comes to plumbing, I run the other way. Unlike electrical wiring, plumbing is never as it seems (at least when I do it). I think I have everything connected right and then it leaks.
i masterd plumbing on my first try i had to ask around here how to properly ground it since all these old houses ground to the water line from the shower (that never felt right so instead i drove the ground wire into the ground with a rod). plumbing was a sinch did the whole house top to bottom took some time though
ill be doing more electrical im taking on bigger projects hiring people on occasion to do some of the simple minded labor, while i do the details and learning as i go along about the electrical side of things
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i masterd plumbing on my first try i had to ask around here how to properly ground it since all these old houses ground to the water line from the shower (that never felt right so instead i drove the ground wire into the ground with a rod). plumbing was a sinch did the whole house top to bottom took some time though
ill be doing more electrical im taking on bigger projects hiring people on occasion to do some of the simple minded labor, while i do the details and learning as i go along about the electrical side of things
Hope you had it located 1st(all utilities marked) it's free. Pounding a ground rod w/o knowing what's underneath you is a bad idea you hit power see ya, you hit any other utility your looking at a couple grand for that company to fix it and your home insurance won't pay w/o a locate #.
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thanks for your help no one gave a shit except you man, you let me know if you ever think i can help bro later man
Fuck. If that meddling kid Prime hadn't been snooping around I would have gotten away with falcon owing me a favor. :(
Yeah, I was gonna guess no ground wire. I think they wire outlets in series (as opposed to in parallel). That means if one shits out then all the ones after it in the series also don't work, so the problem you're chasing could be further upstream than the non-functioning outlet you've got there. Or maybe downstream. If one fails anywhere maybe the whole circut is kaput. I think.
They call 'em active & neutral here, active being brown & neutral being blue. I think. Perhaps there will be some notation on the can that indicates which is which. These are 1/3 of the 3 phase power transmission of Nikola Tesla fame. In your 110v country they'll use 2 of the 3 phases on big draw items like hardwired stoves, so it goes A to A rather than A to N which gives 220v. Or something like that. I think. Idk, wear rubber gloves.
I totally fixed a honda gx motor the other day. Tuned my 2 stroke weedeater last night. Bought an old ass diesel at auction for pennies to take apart and see what's what with those. I'm proud to follow in the gigantic footsteps of Champion Falcon.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to somehow extract a Lincoln Ranger 405D welder/generator (1&3 phase!) from my van without getting trapped under it. If I'm not back soon send help.
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i masterd plumbing on my first try i had to ask around here how to properly ground it since all these old houses ground to the water line from the shower (that never felt right so instead i drove the ground wire into the ground with a rod). plumbing was a sinch did the whole house top to bottom took some time though
ill be doing more electrical im taking on bigger projects hiring people on occasion to do some of the simple minded labor, while i do the details and learning as i go along about the electrical side of things
Yes, the best way to establish a good ground is by driving rods deep into the ground. We recently replaced our main panel. Code required two ground rods. I didn't do this work myself, I had it done, although I have replaced everything from the meter out in a previous house remodel. That house was built in 1910 and still had knob and tube wiring in places, which I replaced with Romex These days, I hire out this work.
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Fuck. If that meddling kid Prime hadn't been snooping around I would have gotten away with falcon owing me a favor. :(
Yeah, I was gonna guess no ground wire. I think they wire outlets in series (as opposed to in parallel). That means if one shits out then all the ones after it in the series also don't work, so the problem you're chasing could be further upstream than the non-functioning outlet you've got there. Or maybe downstream. If one fails anywhere maybe the whole circut is kaput. I think.
They call 'em active & neutral here, active being brown & neutral being blue. I think. Perhaps there will be some notation on the can that indicates which is which. These are 1/3 of the 3 phase power transmission of Nikola Tesla fame. In your 110v country they'll use 2 of the 3 phases on big draw items like hardwired stoves, so it goes A to A rather than A to N which gives 220v. Or something like that. I think. Idk, wear rubber gloves.
I totally fixed a honda gx motor the other day. Tuned my 2 stroke weedeater last night. Bought an old ass diesel at auction for pennies to take apart and see what's what with those. I'm proud to follow in the gigantic footsteps of Champion Falcon.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to somehow extract a Lincoln Ranger 405D welder/generator (1&3 phase!) from my van without getting trapped under it. If I'm not back soon send help.
i have no clue yet of what the "phase 1, 2, 3" jargon means, i must learn this IMMEDIATLEY, you should really explain that to me now, i need to learn by tonite at the very least i will study right after im finished today full concentration while drinking kale, blue berries from my ninja blender
yes i hear deisel motors work in the opposite direction of conventional motors, a mechanic told me he would prefer to buy a deisel truck
i am off to get my non contact voltage tester and see if i cant get some power to some new outlets
you are correct a series of outlets in this house im working at are out like 3 or 4 in a row are completley out, ill keep you posted if the new outlets work or not!!!
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Prime laying down some good knowledges. Good lad. :)
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i have no clue yet of what the "phase 1, 2, 3" jargon means, i must learn this IMMEDIATLEY, you should really explain that to me now, i need to learn by tonite at the very least i will study right after im finished today full concentration while drinking kale, blue berries from my ninja blender
yes i hear deisel motors work in the opposite direction of conventional motors, a mechanic told me he would prefer to buy a deisel truck
i am off to get my non contact voltage tester and see if i cant get some power to some new outlets
you are correct a series of outlets in this house im working at are out like 3 or 4 in a row are completley out, ill keep you posted if the new outlets work or not!!!
Yep in prep for my diesel experimentations I Youtubed. Apparently there's this thing called 'runaway dieseling' which looks like a lot of fun. Things are bound to go well.
I think the 3 phase thing is basically 3 wires carrying a single phase each? I think of it like a high pressure water pump. The good pressure washers are triplex pumps, so they have 3 pistons that push water 1/3 out of phase with the others. Just like electricity the water flow volume is a sine wave (the linear translation of the piston driven by a rotating crankshaft). If you overlay 3 sine waves 1/3 out of phase with one another you get a pretty smooth flow with no big dead spots, whereas if you just had one piston pushing pressure water it would be more like blowing monster loads. I theorize this is why 3 phase motors are regarded as more efficient and generate more power per pound then single phase because there's no big gaps in the electricity supplying them so they don't need a big flywheel?
The wye and delta connection for motors uses a neutral or not, respectfully. You get different volts and so different heat generation so if you do it wrong you overheat the motor and all the rubber around the wire melts. (Never buy a PVC rubber hose for any kind of pressurized use if it's going to get warm btw, PVC plastic loses strength real quick with heat.) This kills the motor. I don't want to do that to my 1943 lathe's original motor so I have to study and then when I fuck it up I won't have to feel like I didn't try hard enough not to fuck it up.
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Yep in prep for my diesel experimentations I Youtubed. Apparently there's this thing called 'runaway dieseling' which looks like a lot of fun. Things are bound to go well.
I think the 3 phase thing is basically 3 wires carrying a single phase each? I think of it like a high pressure water pump. The good pressure washers are triplex pumps, so they have 3 pistons that push water 1/3 out of phase with the others. Just like electricity the water flow volume is a sine wave (the linear translation of the piston driven by a rotating crankshaft). If you overlay 3 sine waves 1/3 out of phase with one another you get a pretty smooth flow with no big dead spots, whereas if you just had one piston pushing pressure water it would be more like blowing monster loads. I theorize this is why 3 phase motors are regarded as more efficient and generate more power per pound then single phase because there's no big gaps in the electricity supplying them so they don't need a big flywheel?
The wye and delta connection for motors uses a neutral or not, respectfully. You get different volts and so different heat generation so if you do it wrong you overheat the motor and all the rubber around the wire melts. (Never buy a PVC rubber hose for any kind of pressurized use if it's going to get warm btw, PVC plastic loses strength real quick with heat.) This kills the motor. I don't want to do that to my 1943 lathe's original motor so I have to study and then when I fuck it up I won't have to feel like I didn't try hard enough not to fuck it up.
Check out the big brain on Brad. ;D
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Check out the big brain on Brad. ;D
Seems you didn't catch the satellite show of me tugging a 600kg generator out of a van with a garage sale acquired engine hoist, 3 chain blocks, umpteen straps, two pallets, 2x4s, bricks, blocks, a sledge hammer, and big assed tree. What a show.
I'll figure out how to untrap the hoist from under it in the morning. It'll be fine.
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In the U.S. we use a split phase electricity distribution system that's a 3-wire single-phase distribution system for single-family residential and light commercial wiring. This allows the home to have 220V outlets by simply supplying hot lines from two adjacent breakers. In some places in North America it's 120V/240V instead of 110V/220V. Your outlet is 110V.
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Will watch those M.I.T. vids - good stuff.
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Have you ever considered communicating better?
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HIRE?? Medicare doesn't pay for that crazy!!! Lol. Marty can't hire anyone - but he just needs to get mo high and he be aw ight
falcon is a workaholic relentless self improving painter
he is probably technically a millionaire