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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/
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And then there is this....
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/10/05/where-world-large-scale-massacre-looms-isis-closes-kobani
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/world/isis-ammunition-is-shown-to-have-origins-in-us-and-china.html?_r=0
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/world/isis-ammunition-is-shown-to-have-origins-in-us-and-china.html?_r=0
ISIS has its roots in the mujahadeen and al-quida. this is well known. big thread about it here on getbig when mccain wanted to arm the rebels, arm everyone... completely not caring these weapons will be put to use against us shortly.
And lindsey graham is back on the news today, demanding US boots on the ground in Syria, in order to "take out assa'd air power". That makes it a ground invasion, a national takeover, govt overthrow, REGIME CHANGE.
I know that's graham's goal... use ISIS as the backdoor intro to toppling the syrian govt. It's funny... shit like this used to be called conspiracy theory. Now it's just war strategy! lol
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AP Analysis: US-led airstrikes produce few gains
The Associated Press ^ | Oct 7, 3:14 PM EDT | Vivian Salama
Posted on 10/7/2014 3:28:58 PM by keat
BAGHDAD (AP) -- After two months, the U.S.-led aerial campaign in Iraq has hardly dented the core of the Islamic State group's territory. The extremist fighters have melted into urban areas when needed to elude the threat, and they have even succeeded in taking new territory from an Iraqi army that still buckles in the face of militants.
In neighboring Syria, days of airstrikes have been unable to stop militants on the verge of capturing a strategic town on the Turkish border.
The limited results show the central weakness of the campaign: There is only so much that can be done from the air to defeat an extremist force that has swept over much of Iraq and Syria. The Islamic State fighters have proven elusive and flexible, able to reorganize to minimize the blows. And more importantly, there are almost no allied forces on the ground able to capitalize on the airstrikes and wrest back territory from the militants.
The exception: Iraqi Kurdish fighters, the most effective forces in Iraq, have made some modest gains the past week.
That only highlights how others have proven unable to do the same. The Iraqi military is undermined by corruption and command problems. A new Iraqi government has being trying to woo support from more Sunni tribesmen, whose fighters are seen as vital against the Sunni extremists, but so far there has not been a flood of support. In Syria, rebels supported by Washington are in no position to move against the extremists, and Syria's Kurds are not as well armed as Iraq's.
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Erdogan: Syrian town about to fall to Islamic State
AP via Ynet News ^ | 10.07.14, 16:09 | AP
Posted on 10/7/2014 3:45:13 PM by 11th Commandment
Edited on 10/7/2014 3:54:36 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]
The Islamic State group is about to capture the Syrian border town of Kobani, Turkey's president said Tuesday, as outgunned Kurdish forces struggled to repel the extremists with limited aid from U.S.-led coalition airstrikes.
Turkish president says Syrian border town of Kobani will fall to jihadists, who have outgunned Kurdish forces with tanks, munitions stolen from Iraqi bases.
(Excerpt) Read more at ynetnews.com ...
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UN warns of pending 'massacres' as ISIS closes in on Syrian city
Fox News ^ | October 7, 2014 | Staff
Posted on 10/7/2014 5:11:47 PM by lbryce
A UN official warned of pending "humanitarian tragedies" and pleaded desperately with the world to intervene on behalf of Kurds trapped in a Syrian city near the Turkish border, as Islamic State fighters stood on the brink of taking it.
Kurds from villages throughout northern Syria have fled to Kobani for a final stand as the terrorist group has marauded across huge swaths of land, leaving a trail of death and destruction. With the city under siege for three weeks, the black-clad fighters have begun to raise their flag over neighborhoods and UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura said the city was about to fall.
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UN warns of pending 'massacres' as ISIS closes in on Syrian city
Fox News ^ | October 7, 2014 | Staff
Posted on 10/7/2014 5:11:47 PM by lbryce
A UN official warned of pending "humanitarian tragedies" and pleaded desperately with the world to intervene on behalf of Kurds trapped in a Syrian city near the Turkish border, as Islamic State fighters stood on the brink of taking it.
Kurds from villages throughout northern Syria have fled to Kobani for a final stand as the terrorist group has marauded across huge swaths of land, leaving a trail of death and destruction. With the city under siege for three weeks, the black-clad fighters have begun to raise their flag over neighborhoods and UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura said the city was about to fall.
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LOL at you giving a shit about a bunch of syrians being massacred.
However, I do admire your pointing out that obama is unable to halt all terror activity in a nation that is full of people & govt that hate us.
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LOL at you giving a shit about a bunch of syrians being massacred.
However, I do admire your pointing out that obama is unable to halt all terror activity in a nation that is full of people & govt that hate us.
A week ago you were celebrating the demise of ISIS via airstrikes, 120 is wrong yet again.......
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A week ago you were celebrating the demise of ISIS via airstrikes, 120 is wrong yet again.......
LOL we're a month into bombings? we have boots on the ground, just not sitting targets on syrian street corners as targets, like Graham is demanding.
come on, evaluating a win after a month? we're against small groups inside a soverign country. we've taken their oil and grain, we have them out in open trying to fight.
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LOL we're a month into bombings? we have boots on the ground, just not sitting targets on syrian street corners as targets, like Graham is demanding.
come on, evaluating a win after a month? we're against small groups inside a soverign country. we've taken their oil and grain, we have them out in open trying to fight.
Yeah sure ::)
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LOL we're a month into bombings? we have boots on the ground, just not sitting targets on syrian street corners as targets, like Graham is demanding.
come on, evaluating a win after a month? we're against small groups inside a soverign country. we've taken their oil and grain, we have them out in open trying to fight.
Why don't you just admit you were wrong and we were right? Obama fails at every thing exept lying and cheating his way to "winning" a supposed election. He's a gay, radical Muslim, bacon eating twat.
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Why don't you just admit you were wrong and we were right? Obama fails at every thing exept lying and cheating his way to "winning" a supposed election. He's a gay, radical Muslim, bacon eating twat.
You do know muslims doesnt eat pig, right?
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You do know muslims doesnt eat pig, right?
You're right. Maybe I should have said dick.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-air-campaign-against-islamic-state-isnt-achieving-its-aims/2014/10/07/999fff98-4e4a-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html
Even the WAPO finally admits this plan is a joke - as some of us said from day 1. Obama is not trying to beat these people - he is trying to help them
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For now, the U.S. operation in Iraq and Syria is defined mainly by its limitations. The restrictions Mr. Obama has imposed on his commanders are not compatible with the objectives he has asked them to achieve
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http://www.businessinsider.com/the-central-weakness-of-the-us-led-campaign-against-isis-is-now-clear-2014-10
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/09/kobani-syria-battle_n_5956858.html
Massive failure because Obama sabotaged the effort from Day 1 knowing it would not work.
FNG Kenyan traitor and terrorist sympathizer
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/09/kobani-syria-battle_n_5956858.html
Massive failure because Obama sabotaged the effort from Day 1 knowing it would not work.
FNG Kenyan traitor and terrorist sympathizer
ISIS and Syrians are killing each other... these same syrian forces that were machine gunning crowds of protesters 2 years ago?
LOL 33, let them battle, bro. Then drop a MOAB on whoever wins.
We're somehow supervising two groups we would love to topple - as they kill each other. I mean, the syrians are reduced to dropping barrles of TNT on ISIS at this point... that's awesome. Once these 2 goups kill each other, then Mccain's buddies the Rebels can take over.
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ISIS and Syrians are killing each other... these same syrian forces that were machine gunning crowds of protesters 2 years ago?
LOL 33, let them battle, bro. Then drop a MOAB on whoever wins.
We're somehow supervising two groups we would love to topple - as they kill each other. I mean, the syrians are reduced to dropping barrles of TNT on ISIS at this point... that's awesome. Once these 2 goups kill each other, then Mccain's buddies the Rebels can take over.
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come on man, can you imagine a better scenario? We hate two groups there.. ISIS are terr'ists that can't attack us when they're playing urban warfare in cities in Syria. And the syrian military is getting their asses kicked, which means we strengthen the rebels, which means no crowds getting machine gunned, which means the anti-western assad is one step closer to stepping down.
They're killing each other. Two groups we hate are killing each other. Why in the WORLD would we send in ground forces to get in the middle of it? LOL
Come on 33, yes, obama sucks, we know... but the military has created something here, where two groups we hate are killing each other... would you REALLY just step in the middle with 30,000 US forces to keep them from killing each other? Woudl you?
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yawn 11 years in, and your gonna brag that air strikes are working.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/islamic-state-kobani_n_5964230.html
ISIS still advancing.
F Obama - he supports these Islamic goat molesters
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/islamic-state-fighters-are-threatening-to-overrun-iraqs-anbar-province/2014/10/09/34b302f0-84e4-4d73-b220-2d91161363e5_story.html
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/islamic-state-fighters-are-threatening-to-overrun-iraqs-anbar-province/2014/10/09/34b302f0-84e4-4d73-b220-2d91161363e5_story.html
so 80% of the ISIS fighters will die.
and 80% of fighting-age males in Iraq will die.
Do you have a problem with this, 33? I mean, in 20 years, we'll be back at war there. We all know it.
Why not let them wreck their future fighting potential.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-led-air-war-in-syria-is-off-to-a-difficult-start-with-moderate-rebels-disenchanted/2014/10/10/e0949dfa-4fe9-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html
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ctory in Kobani Could Result in Civilian Massacre, UN Warns [Obama At Paltrow Fundraiser!]
ABCNews ^ | October 10, 2014 | ALI WEINBERG
Posted on October 10, 2014 at 7:06:23 PM EDT by Steelfish
ISIS Victory in Kobani Could Result in Civilian Massacre, UN Warns Oct 10, 2014 By ALI WEINBERG
Seven hundred civilians in Kobani, the Kurdish region along the Syria-Turkey border, are at risk of being massacred if more is not done to save the town from the army of radicals known as ISIS, according to the United Nations’ special envoy to Syria.
The envoy, Steffan de Misura, likened the threat to Kobani to the genocidal killing in Srebrenica, the 1995 massacre of 8,000 Bosnians by a Serbian paramilitary unit.
More than 200,000 Kurds have fled Kobani and nearby villages during the three week battle for the city, and in recent days Kurdish fighters have tried to evacuate remaining civilians as ISIS forces have entered the city and are slowly advancing despite U.S. air strikes and house-to-house fighting.
The U.N. estimated today that 700 civilians remain in the city along with Kurdish fighters.
The U.S. State Department said this week that there are a “low” number of civilians in and around Kobani who would be in danger if the city fell to ISIS.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/11/usled-air-war-in-syria-is_n_5969022.html#comments
Obama = FAIL
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The Kurdish Fighters are beating ass and even suicide bombing ISIS.....and our soldiers are not dying for that sandlot. What more do you fucking want you twit
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The Kurdish Fighters are beating ass and even suicide bombing ISIS.....and our soldiers are not dying for that sandlot. What more do you fucking want you twit
Obama to be deported
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/war-against-isis-us-strategy-in-tatters-as-militants-march-on-9789230.html
What a mess
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/war-against-isis-us-strategy-in-tatters-as-militants-march-on-9789230.html
What a mess
Don't let reality get in the way of the bullshit about how Obama's "plans" are working so splendidly.
Anyone who doesn't think Obama is coasting until his term is over is fooling themselves. He's just doing the bare minimum while he eagerly waits for it all to be someone else's problem.
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Don't let reality get in the way of the bullshit about how Obama's "plans" are working so splendidly.
Anyone who doesn't think Obama is coasting until his term is over is fooling themselves. He's just doing the bare minimum while he eagerly waits for it all to be someone else's problem.
Or he's pitting 2 groups against each other.
Two groups we'd like to see depleted/destroyed.
ISIS spends a year on the battlefield, not sneaking into USA as Duncan Hunter lied about.
Most males aged 15 to 45 in that region involved in gun battles for the next year.
A year from now, we drop a bomb on whoever wins. And when we're back in the next war over there, in 5 or 10 or 15 years (and we all know it'll happen), there will be a shitload fewer bad guys to fight.
Of course, for this theory to work, we'd have to believe our leaders would want such a bad thing. Probably not possible, right? LOL
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11155997/American-Way-The-US-is-worried-but-more-than-anything-frustrated-and-confused-by-Isil.html
Obama is a complete failure - and so are his voters and kneepadders. FAIL
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/12/nbc-reporter-us-failing-to-stop-isis-video
Obama = fail
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Or he's pitting 2 groups against each other.
Two groups we'd like to see depleted/destroyed.
ISIS spends a year on the battlefield, not sneaking into USA as Duncan Hunter lied about.
Most males aged 15 to 45 in that region involved in gun battles for the next year.
A year from now, we drop a bomb on whoever wins. And when we're back in the next war over there, in 5 or 10 or 15 years (and we all know it'll happen), there will be a shitload fewer bad guys to fight.
Of course, for this theory to work, we'd have to believe our leaders would want such a bad thing. Probably not possible, right? LOL
Lol. Yeah, that's what he's doing. Brilliant plan.
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Lol. Yeah, that's what he's doing. Brilliant plan.
I don't know if that's what he's doing... I believed that was our goal in Iraq, and I was vocal about it on getbig.
I think it makes perfect sense... you don't want to be fighting these people in 15 years, with technology advancing, etc. So why not whittle down their numbers by letting rebels/govt forces kill each other for a few years? And, that's exaclty what happened in Iraq... how many hundred thousand young men, capable of fighting us in a decade, were killed in their own civil war?
NOW, we have 2 groups that hate each other in Syria. Once side is machine-gunning crowds of hippies. the other is slashing heads off journalists. And they want to kill each other. UM, I'd say this one is a no-brainer lol... LET THEM FIGHT. And the proof is in the pudding - that's exactly what we're doing there. Letting them fight.
Yes, Graham and Mccain are so upset we don't have 200,000 forces in the middle to soak up the bullets. But obama/generals are letting the 2 shithead groups waste each other. Proof will be in the pudding, IF we let this go on for 18 to 36 months, then we scoot in and pwn the winner fast. No ground forces yet, but 2 groups of bad guys are getting slaughtered. No cost in $ or life to USA, and our two biggest enemies in the region are murdering each other.
I'll ask what I asked getbiggers last time, 5 years ago...
How many years of "letting 2 groups kill each other off will have to pass by, before you'll admit it may have been the US strategy all along?}
I asked it last time, and we saw it happen for years. Nobody ever answered. Makes perfect sense, Logical too.
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REPORT: ISIS Used Chemical Weapons Against Kurds In Syria
The Times Of Israel
Times of Israel, The Times Of Israel
kobaniREUTERS/Umit BektasSmoke rises from the Syrian town of Kobani after a war plane carried out an air strike, seen from near the Mursitpinar border crossing on the Turkish-Syrian border in the southeastern town of Suruc in Sanliurfa province October 7, 2014.
Kurdish health officials and activists in the besieged town of Kobane claim to possess evidence that Islamic State operatives have used chemical agents as a weapon on at least one occasion during clashes with Kurdish fighters along Syria’s northern border.
According to several reports, which were compiled by the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center’s Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center, the use of the toxins by the Islamic State took place on July 12 in the village of Avdiko, 10 days after the rogue Jihadi group launched an offensive on the Kobane enclave, near the Turkish border.
Nisan Ahmed, the health minister of the Kurdish authority in Kobane, said that in a number of photographs showing Kurdish fighters who had been killed during the battle in Avdiko, no visible wounds or external bleeding could be seen on the bodies, whereas severe burns and white spots were clearly visible.
Ahmed asserted that the (graphic) photos, which were later obtained and posted online by the Middle East Review of International Affairs journal, suggest the fighters had died as a result of exposure to chemical toxins.
While it still remains unclear whether chemical agents were actually used by the Islamic State, Israeli experts who examined the photographs said the wounds, which included severe peeling of the skin and heavy blistering, suggested the Kurdish fighters had been exposed to mustard gas, the GLORIA Center reported.
The experts added, however, that more data was needed to form a definitive conclusion.
In early July, shortly before the attack on Kobani, officials in Iraq reported that the Islamic State had taken control of a vast former chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad, where 2,500 chemical rockets filled with the deadly nerve agent sarin, or their remnants, were stored along with other chemical warfare agents.
Iraq’s ambassador to the United Nations, Mohamed Ali Alhakim, said in a letter to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon that “armed terrorist groups” entered the Muthanna site on June 11, detained officers and soldiers from the protection force guarding the facility and seized their weapons. The following morning, the project manager spotted the looting of some equipment through the camera surveillance system before the “terrorists” disabled it, he said.
Kurd Cemetery Iraq 2Safin Hamed/AFP/Getty ImagesAn Iraqi Kurd woman visits a cemetery for the victims of a gas attack by former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein in 1988, as people mark the 26th anniversary of the attack in the Kurdish town of Halabja, Iraq, on March 16, 2014.
Alhakim singled out the capture of Bunkers 13 and 41 in the sprawling complex 35 miles (56 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad.
The UN, however, stressed that the bunkers were bombed during the first Gulf War in February 1991, which routed Iraq from Kuwait, and said the rockets were “partially destroyed or damaged.”
The UN added that the sarin munitions were “of poor quality” and “would largely be degraded after years of storage under the conditions existing there.”
It said the tabun-filled containers were all treated with a decontamination solution and likely no longer contain any agent, but “the residue of this decontamination would contain cyanides, which would still be a hazard.”
According to the report, Bunker 41 contained 2,000 empty 155-mm artillery shells contaminated with the chemical warfare agent mustard gas, 605 one-ton mustard containers with residues, and heavily contaminated construction material. It said the shells could contain mustard residues, which can’t be used for chemical warfare but “remain highly toxic.”
The Syrian Kurdish enclave of Kobani has been the scene of heavy fighting since late last month, with the better-armed Islamic State fighters determined to capture the border post.
The extremist group has carved out a vast swath of territory from northern Syria to the outskirts of Baghdad and imposed a harsh version of Islamic rule. The fighters have massacred hundreds of captured Iraqi and Syrian soldiers, terrorized religious minorities, and beheaded two American journalists and two British aid workers.
A US-led coalition has been carrying out airstrikes against militant targets in and around Kobani for more than two weeks, and the town’s fate has emerged as a major test of whether the air campaign can obstruct the advance of the extremists in Syria.
Adiv Sterman and AP contributed to this report.
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