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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and there opinions are those over others. They believe everything they here (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
Troll score: 0/10
PS: a BA/BS isn't worth shit these days. The best coder I ever hired had a fucking GED.
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Depends on what you got a degree in.
In the UK, any moron can go to university and get a degree in some pointless subject.
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They believe everything they here
Guessing no degree?
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Troll score: 0/10
PS: a BA/BS isn't worth shit these days. The best coder I ever hired had a fucking GED.
Your use of profanity to add emphasis says it all.
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Depends on what you got a degree in.
In the UK, any moron can go to university and get a degree in some pointless subject.
Regardless very few people are that intelligent.
Your talking about 1-2 percent of the population that can hold a descent conversation.
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Depends on what you got a degree in.
In the UK, any moron can go to university and get a degree in some pointless subject.
The UK? Let's get serious. The UK went under decades ago.
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Your talking about 1-2 percent of the population that can hold a descent conversation.
I much prefer ascending conversations myself.
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
I have a masters and doctorate and I'm replying to your post on getbig.
My ed-ja-ma-kay-shun really made me rich and successful .
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Regardless very few people are that intelligent.
Your talking about 1-2 percent of the population that can hold a descent conversation.
oh brother.
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oh brother.
so please inform me on "correct" spelling phonetics in english.
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Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
I have a masters and doctorate and I'm replying to your post on getbig.
My ed-ja-ma-kay-shun really made me rich and successful .
While exceptions alway exist, Bill Gates is certainly not the norm. And while your own personal educational claims may or may not be true, you've clearly got psychological issues which would inhibit entry into the upper classes of society.
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Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
I have a masters and doctorate and I'm replying to your post on getbig.
My ed-ja-ma-kay-shun really made me rich and successful .
Goodrum has two doctorates.
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Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
I have a masters and doctorate and I'm replying to your post on getbig.
My ed-ja-ma-kay-shun really made me rich and successful .
Could it be in the ERA that he made his money, there were no appropriate schooling options.
If getting a Degree isn't easy for you, your not smart.
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No degree?
Not surprised.
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
You mean like academics that believed everything that Obama said and got duped into voting for him....twice? lmao. People graduating with a Bachelor's generally don't make shit within the first few years. Sure, most companies want to hire with a degree but most look at a resume and a commitment along with integrity, enthusiasm, work ethic and willing to learn. We hire interns in the field they are studying (Kinese, ex science, S&C) because we teach them how to apply what they learned in the class room to programming and learning our system. We don't hire someone just because they have a "degree" in anything. From there, we evaluate within 60 days based on everything I mentioned AFTER the degree.
Read "Winning" by Jack Welsh
Hope this helps...troll.
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I have a B.S. degree in street smarts and common cents.
It's all I need.
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No degree?
Not surprised.
LOL...you picked wrong person for that question.
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so please inform me on "correct" spelling phonetics in english.
what you meant to write was "decent". Also, phonetics is not related to the issue at all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonetics
Well, perhaps in an indirect sense.
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LOL...you picked wrong person for that question.
:D :D
Let the troll..........troll. It's what he does best. :D :D
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
On a serious note; I do know a 50 year who old woman that has almost zero self esteem. She dropped out of college and it obviously effects her now. I can tell that she resents/fears people that have a formal education. She tries to impress other people by using big vocabulary words; but she has been OWNED badly several times by people with formal educations. She tries to only communicate with people that have lower than average intelligence (they are less likely to see through her bullshit).
She tries to educate herself on Wikipedia.
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You mean like academics that believed everything that Obama said and got duped into voting for him....twice? lmao. People graduating with a Bachelor's generally don't make shit within the first few years. Sure, most companies want to hire with a degree but most look at a resume and a commitment along with integrity, enthusiasm, work ethic and willing to learn. We hire interns in the field they are studying (Kinese, ex science, S&C) because we teach them how to apply what they learned in the class room to programming and learning our system. We don't hire someone just because they have a "degree" in anything. From there, we evaluate within 60 days based on everything I mentioned AFTER the degree.
Read "Winning" by Jack Welsh
Hope this helps...troll.
You mean Jack Welch? Haha...
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You mean Jack Welch? Haha...
whatever ::)
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People without university degrees will be forcefully "interned" - FEMA studies.
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Troll score: 0/10
PS: a BA/BS isn't worth shit these days. The best coder I ever hired had a fucking GED.
Yeah but you're his boss. And I'm guessing you have a degree.
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
This is a misconception a lot of companies have today, which is too bad. Realistically, a college degree, regardless of how advanced the degree is doesn't ensure these degreed folks are truly critical thinkers. In fact, good old commonsense seems to elude many of the most educated people around, in my experience. If the educational community and businesses keep focusing on degrees as a criteria for recruitment of new employees, many people won't start working until they are 30 or more years old. Once they start earning money, they will owe a good portion of their salaries for student loans....all that to sling a hamburger or bring a customer their water, (okay so some will have better jobs then this, but you get the picture).
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You mean "ensure"?
Also a drink for old people ;D
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The Coach has no degree from an accredited college or university. His "opinions" can all be heard the night before on right wing talk radio, where they sell advertising for gold investments and miracle wrinkle creams.
You sound a little insecure chief. Something you wish to discuss? lol
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You sound a little insecure chief. Something you wish to discuss? lol
Says the manlet.
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Some people can think, and some people cant!
Degree let non thinkting people start to think a little bit more bcz they are aorund some thinking people who light up their brain.
The problem with degree people is that many of them have a very big trust in "science" and "fact" everything can be discussed! Nothing is easy!
The olde ru get the more shit u can talk because your audicene is young and they think u know...something...that u actually dont...know nothing about. LIfe is strange! Very strange! Knowledge is very strange to! INtellicence is very strange to! All thinking often end in one conclusion with is: I DONT KNOW!
As soon as philosofy will take a bigger part in science, everything will be fucked up!
Poeple who live now always think they are more clever than people who lived THEN! Its a human thing I think!
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You mean "ensure"?
Thanks. You're correct.
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Army War College revokes Sen. John Walsh's degree
By MATT VOLZ and MATTHEW BROWN
HELENA, Mont. (AP) — The U.S. Army War College revoked Democratic Sen. John Walsh's master's degree after an investigation completed Friday concluded that he plagiarized a research paper required to graduate, a college spokeswoman said.
The college assigned an academic review board to the probe in August after The New York Times published a story showing Walsh borrowed heavily from other sources for the paper he wrote in 2007.
Walsh was pursuing a master of strategic studies degree at age 47, a year before he became Montana's adjutant general overseeing the state National Guard.
The board of the Carlisle, Pennsylvania-based college took less than a day to hear the case and make its findings Aug. 22. But the process of appeal and review wasn't completed until Friday.
"The board found that then Colonel John Walsh did commit the offense of plagiarism and thus his Master's Degree and status as graduate of the U.S. Army War College should be revoked," War College spokeswoman Carol Kerr said in a statement.
The review board's report found the plagiarism "egregious." A review of Walsh's paper by the school's director of communicative arts found little, if any, original language or research and that it was "primarily composed of verbatim liftings from other sources" presented as if they were Walsh's own work.
"In short, the paper was plagiarized and ... the plagiarism was intentional," the review board said in its report.
Walsh's office released a statement saying the senator disagrees with the findings but accepts the college's decision.
"I apologize to all Montanans for the plagiarism in my 2007 paper, and I am prepared to live with its consequences," Walsh said in the statement. "I may not be a scholar, but I am proud to have been a soldier who has served Montana and this great nation for 33 years in uniform."
His spokeswoman said he was not available for further comment.
Walsh dropped out of the Nov. 4 Senate race after the report about plagiarism. He was appointed to his Senate seat in February when Max Baucus resigned to become ambassador to China.
In August, Montana Democrats chose state lawmaker Amanda Curtis to replace Wash as their candidate against Republican U.S. Rep. Steve Daines. Republicans need a net gain of six seats in November to take Senate control, and Montana is a prime target to pick up a seat that's been in Democratic hands for more than a century.
Walsh spoke to members of the review board by phone the day before it convened in August. He admitted that he plagiarized the paper, but he said it was a mistake. Walsh also said he was taking medication for PTSD and that one of the soldiers he commanded in Iraq in 2005 had committed suicide in March 2007.
The review board noted Walsh submitted several drafts of his paper, including before the suicide, and later submitted a version of the same paper for another class with the plagiarized passages intact.
The board said in its findings that other students have had similar or more serious issues during their time at the war college, but they were able to do the work "without resorting to plagiarism or other cheating."
Walsh appealed the decision on Oct. 6. War College Commandant Major Gen. William Rapp rejected the appeal in a letter dated Friday.
Former Gov. Brian Schweitzer, who appointed Walsh adjutant general, was among those who wrote a letter of support to the college's review board. Schweitzer told The Associated Press on Friday that Walsh should be judged on "a lifetime of leadership" based on his three-decade rise through the National Guard and service in Iraq.
"That was the John Walsh I selected, not the John Walsh that was a literary scholar or a person who understood the nuances of grammar and putting things in quotations," Schweitzer said.
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master degrees in engineering are keys to the universe
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I don't have a degree but I purchased a nice new house, cars and paid for my wife's education and live comfortably just by not being a douche bag. I didn't even learn anything about finances until after purchasing my house too, so things are looking even better now that I budget properly, invest, etc.
I think people should get some life experience first. Now that my wife's almost done school, I'll be going to school for something where I'll actually get a job. Not going to get a BA/BS or anything else without a tangible vision. Most young idiots go to school without a clue, rack up a hundred thousand grand in debt and end up working at drive-throughs and coffee shops because they're socially retarded and have no life experience.
A fine academic background is a nice thing to flaunt, but it doesn't mean much if you're renting a shitty apartment, driving a beater car manufactured in the 1980's, making minimum wage and contemplating committing suicide to escape your unimaginable debt.
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I think we all have to take into account that 99% of USA college degrees are for the most part pretty simple and the equivalent of UK high school A levels which you sit at 17.
I had an American family member with a degree in electrical engineering over working in my firm for 6 months last year and his level of knowledge was akin to the stuff my 15 year old daughter was learning in her Scottish school standard grade physics.
A very nice money maker for the colleges mind you. ;)
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99% of USA college degrees are for the most part pretty simple and the equivalent of UK high school A levels which you sit at 17.
::)
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I think we all have to take into account that 99% of USA college degrees are for the most part pretty simple and the equivalent of UK high school A levels which you sit at 17.
I had an American family member with a degree in electrical engineering over working in my firm for 6 months last year and his level of knowledge was akin to the stuff my 15 year old daughter was learning in her Scottish school standard grade physics.
A very nice money maker for the colleges mind you. ;)
I know 2 guys with masters from the Kentucky University and the Massachusetts University. They are the best in their fields and are doing great monetary wise. When you compare them to guys who got masters in south-american countries... the difference is quite notorious.
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I know 2 guys with masters from the Kentucky University and the Massachusetts University. They are the best in their fields and are doing great monetary wise. When you compare them to guys who got masters in south-american countries... the difference is quite notorious.
Maybe the problem is that ""BIG" AL MCKECHNIE"'s "firm" only attracts low-intelligence applicants.
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what is there to understand of life that is more complicated than; we re just animals spwaned randomly into this world to fight each others for ressources until we die.
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The educational system in Germany, where my son and grandchildren live is different from the U.S. By the time a person enters what would be their high school sophomore year, they begin studies for a career based which is based on their aptitude and not on what they or their parents imagine for them. If tests show you have the ability to become a doctor and this is what you want to do, your education is geared to accommodate this early on. If like my daughter-in-law, you want to be a fashion designer but don't seem to have the talent for this, you can still study for it, but you must pay for your education.
My grandson is 19 years old. He is studying to go into musical instrument repair and he works part time as a musician, playing drums in a band. One of my granddaughters who is 24 years old is in college studying for and currently working in early childhood development. My youngest granddaughter is 17 years old and she is studying Spanish. She's presently fluent in English and German. She wants to be a flight attendant for an international airline. Clearly many young folks in Germany seem to be allowed more latitude when it comes to education and choosing a career.
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I know 2 guys with masters from the Kentucky University and the Massachusetts University. They are the best in their fields and are doing great monetary wise. When you compare them to guys who got masters in south-american countries... the difference is quite notorious.
Notorious is an interesting word to use in this situation.
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I am one of those people who enjoys going to college, taking classes in subjects which interest me at the time, but with no regard for a degree being my end goal. I've been a perennial student all of my life. At this point I am comfortably retired, meaning I am not excessively wealthy, but I don't have money worries either. I clearly have no need for a degree at this point in time.
I believe I have been fortunate, in that I started working when job experience meant something and companies didn't primarily hire folks because they held a degree. I also appreciate that my stepfather taught me a trade. Although I chose not to make a career in that trade, I found work in it when other employment wasn't available.
I admire people who have achieved a degree and then went on to use it for a good purpose. I also know people whose careers had nothing to do with their education and who were satisfied with how their lives turned out. Likewise, I know people who are highly educated and yet woefully underemployed and unhappy in their careers. It is my belief that our current educational system and culture is very limiting for many people.
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The Coach has no degree from an accredited college or university. His "opinions" can all be heard the night before on right wing talk radio, where they sell advertising for gold investments and miracle wrinkle creams.
This.
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Those gimmicks are so boring these days.
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You mean like academics that believed everything that Obama said and got duped into voting for him....twice? lmao. People graduating with a Bachelor's generally don't make shit within the first few years. Sure, most companies want to hire with a degree but most look at a resume and a commitment along with integrity, enthusiasm, work ethic and willing to learn. We hire interns in the field they are studying (Kinese, ex science, S&C) because we teach them how to apply what they learned in the class room to programming and learning our system. We don't hire someone just because they have a "degree" in anything. From there, we evaluate within 60 days based on everything I mentioned AFTER the degree.
Read "Winning" by Jack Welsh
Hope this helps...troll.
You're very sensitive about your lack of formal education Joe. Don't always get so upset when these threads come up.
And Jack Welch had a PHD in Chemical Engineering. Jeff Immelt a MBA from Harvard and degree in Maths from Dartford.
None of these men would've made it to the top without a formal education unless they started their own companies and became rich that way.
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Also a drink for old people ;D
Do you think it is better than protein drinks? I haven't tried Ensure, have you? ;D
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This old fart read your other post in this thread. Unfortunately, it was less then impressive, as they usually are. You could use some education when it comes to the English language, BTW.
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Girls and sons
I don't take kindly to disrespect
People who don't earn a University degree
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I'm the only college graduate in my circle of friends and they all out earn me and are all intelligent folks.
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I'm the only college graduate in my circle of friends and they all out earn me and are all intelligent folks.
I am not going to make them due to the respect I hold for you MOS but you've left yourself wide open to a variety of attacks here.
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Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
I have a masters and doctorate and I'm replying to your post on getbig.
My ed-ja-ma-kay-shun really made me rich and successful .
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Depends on what you got a degree in.
In the UK, any moron can go to university and get a degree in some pointless subject.
Spoken like someone who never qualified to go to University. Because is is blatantly untrue. Unless you are talking about some sort of "community college," which is NOT a University.
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Spoken like someone who never qualified to go to University. Because is is blatantly untrue. Unless you are talking about some sort of "community college," which is NOT a University.
No, there's bullshit degrees to be had. Even at bricks and mortar universities.
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i have a bachelor's degree of science in electrical engineering and can't get a job in my country so i work as a personal trainer lol
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i have a bachelor's degree of science in electrical engineering and can't get a job in my country so i work as a personal trainer lol
In electrical engineering it's almost mandatory to have a MSc. You won't get anywhere with a BSc in Electrical Engineering since you don't have any specialisation, you have barely scratched the surface of electrophysics.
With a BSc you will have the bare minimum of knowledge in the major subjects such as fourier analysis, signal theory, control theory, electrodynamics. You are basically competing against MSc students, and in most cases they will be chosen above BSc students due to their (in general) deeper understanding of electrical engineering topics.
Especially within engineering it's very important to have a specialisation, and 3 years of university studies will not provide that (unless you are some sort of wunderkind á la Nikola Tesla).
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Some people can think, and some people cant!
Degree let non thinkting people start to think a little bit more bcz they are aorund some thinking people who light up their brain.
The problem with degree people is that many of them have a very big trust in "science" and "fact" everything can be discussed! Nothing is easy!
The olde ru get the more shit u can talk because your audicene is young and they think u know...something...that u actually dont...know nothing about. LIfe is strange! Very strange! Knowledge is very strange to! INtellicence is very strange to! All thinking often end in one conclusion with is: I DONT KNOW!
As soon as philosofy will take a bigger part in science, everything will be fucked up!
Poeple who live now always think they are more clever than people who lived THEN! Its a human thing I think!
Assentio :)
Kreator - are you German/in Germany?
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Going to a college / university is overrated..
Most kids coming out of school can't find a damn job and are in debt :-\
Unless your studying to be a doctor / medical field, lawyer, or something in engineering..
It's not worth it.....
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Maybe the problem is that ""BIG" AL MCKECHNIE"'s "firm" only attracts low-intelligence applicants.
We certainly attract them LOL. Don't hire them though.
I'm pleased to say my 3 directors are all members of the ImechE or IET (chartered engineers) and my finance man is a fellow of the CIMA.
In other words, if you want to be in senior management in my firm you are either a chartered member of your professional body or it's hasta la vista baby. Bsc, Msc phd, are all good but only the starting point, I don't consider you qualified until you are a chartered member of a professional body.
And the laugh is, I don't have any professional qualifications , all I have is ownership of the capital. Poor dumb me.
I cry all the way to the bank. :'(
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The college degree of today is like the high school degree when I was young. Employers who hire just want to see it because they have one. There's one rent a car company in the US whose name escapes me that won't hire you unless you have one. Imagine essentially being a cashier renting out cars needing a degree?
If you get a degree make sure it says you are employable. Chemical engineering, nursing, teaching or something else that says you have a trade. Don't graduate in debt with no prospect of a job. A student loan is the only loan that isn't forgivable in bankruptcy. No matter how much it compounds in interest due to late payment you will have that debt forever.
I find the people who are making serious money are in the trades. Collision repair, pizza shop owner, counter top guys, carpenters, plumbers and the like. An example of this is my barber who is 30 years old charges $15 a hair cut and then gets tipped $2 to $5 dollars. His shop is always packed because he knows all the current cuts and he's good. He cuts while I'm there about 5 hair cuts an hour. Sometimes more and sometimes less. He has said on more than one occasion he makes more than every person he went to high school with who has a college degree Another young man I know has a kitchen counter top business. He puts in granite and fancy kitchen counter tops. He lives in an incredible house with impressive cars.
I believe in education but it also warps minds in that almost every professor has never lived in the real world. The academic world is a breeding ground for the disease of liberalism. A guy who went to grade school, high school, 5 to 7 years of college and now teaches has a warped view point and influences young dopey kids. What a gig though. 9 months of work teaching two classes a week for $100K plus. The colleges can afford to pay these professors the best. They will have you just take out another loan so they can spread the wealth to themselves.
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In electrical engineering it's almost mandatory to have a MSc. You won't get anywhere with a BSc in Electrical Engineering since you don't have any specialisation, you have barely scratched the surface of electrophysics.
With a BSc you will have the bare minimum of knowledge in the major subjects such as fourier analysis, signal theory, control theory, electrodynamics. You are basically competing against MSc students, and in most cases they will be chosen above BSc students due to their (in general) deeper understanding of electrical engineering topics.
Especially within engineering it's very important to have a specialisation, and 3 years of university studies will not provide that (unless you are some sort of wunderkind á la Nikola Tesla).
4 and a half years, specialized in energetics, the university is in middle europe
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Assentio :)
Kreator - are you German/in Germany?
no bruce, Slovene from Slovenia
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4 and a half years, specialized in energetics, the university is in middle europe
Then it sounds like you have an "Engineering Diploma" or w/e it's called over there, it's basically a MSc not a BSc. Am I correct in this assumption?
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Then it sounds like you have an "Engineering Diploma" or w/e it's called over there, it's basically a MSc not a BSc. Am I correct in this assumption?
we call it a diploma yes, i thought it was considered a bachelor's, not sure
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Some people's brain has to be told what to do. Teacher shows how to do an equation, person does it, makes straight A's. Then when they need to think independently or logically or with a real world application they can't. We all know that person who made high grades in the classroom but still can't drive for shit.
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we call it a diploma yes, i thought it was considered a bachelor's, not sure
No it's basically a Master's and it's treated as such in other European countries, there are plenty of countries who still use the diploma system. Germany, Sweden and Finland are those that I can recall at the moment.
A shame you can't find a job, it's an attractive degree and I hope you find something. You could always switch to mathematical finance, there are plenty of people with engineering backgrounds (such as electrical) that I know of.
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I haven't hear a single person mention the most important skill set to have for FAST success.
Sales.
If you are a good salesman then the sky is the limit for your earning.
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No it's basically a Master's and it's treated as such in other European countries, there are plenty of countries who still use the diploma system. Germany, Sweden and Finland are those that I can recall at the moment.
A shame you can't find a job, it's an attractive degree and I hope you find something. You could always switch to mathematical finance, there are plenty of people with engineering backgrounds (such as electrical) that I know of.
if i had graduated some 2,3 years earlier getting a job in this field woudn't have been an issue, but since the so called ''crissis'' struck the economy things have gone downhill. I briefly worked in a small company that designed and installed roof mounted PV systems though but the company ran out of financial resources so i got laid off. Personal training can be very lucrative if u know how to sell urself and have the knowledge, a solid physique helps as well. I miss the ''thinking'' part, calculating etc., sometimes it feels like my brain is deteriorating lol
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I haven't hear a single person mention the most important skill set to have for FAST success.
Sales.
If you are a good salesman then the sky is the limit for your earning.
you drive a hunday, i drive an 80,000 $ bmw, that's who i am
lol
;D
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you drive a hunday, i drive an 80,000 $ bmw, that's who i am
lol
;D
Haha, that's a great clip.
"You see this watch?"
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I don't have a degree and my shelves are as well stacked as anyone's...
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without a degree it takes far more effort to get a respectable job in the first place and you will usually not get a salary even close to engineers degree with post graduate in business for example
best way is to be a cheap person and try make the best of your salary ???
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The UK? Let's get serious. The UK went under decades ago.
Lol, fuck yeah, jephrius is on fire in this thread!
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quit!
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What are we talking about here? Over 75% of people who have an advanced degree cheated their way through school and can't remember 95% of what was taught...If you're living in America and aren't running your own business, you're a fool...
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What are we talking about here? Over 75% of people who have an advanced degree cheated their way through school and can't remember 95% of what was taught...If you're living in America and aren't running your own business, you're a fool...
That's a stretch to say. Not all jobs require a business venture to earn a living.
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quit!(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552704.0;attach=583287;image)
LOL
I love the implied ownership of "our" shelves, "our" pizza, "our" cabs as if they belong to the "privileged" customer and not the hard working employee or owner. The overall condescending tone hilarious. BaygayBear, I really wonder about you sometimes. Your intentions may have decent, but your execution sucks.
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Tom Cruise had it right in the movie COCKTAIL when he told the Professor that he was hiding out in school because he was afraid of creating something in the real world...
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LOL
I love the implied ownership of "our" shelves, "our" pizza, "our" cabs as if they belong to the "privileged" customer and not the hard working employee or owner. The overall condescending tone hilarious. BaygayBear, I really wonder about you sometimes. Your intentions may have decent, but your execution sucks.
That's funny. I've never wondered about you at all. ::)
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Going to a college / university is overrated..
Most kids coming out of school can't find a damn job and are in debt :-\
Unless your studying to be a doctor / medical field, lawyer, or something in engineering..
It's not worth it.....
Nursing #1
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This.
Another gimmick speaks. Whats the matter. Obama getting his ass handed to him on a daily basis getting you all butt hurt?
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You're very sensitive about your lack of formal education Joe. Don't always get so upset when these threads come up.
And Jack Welch had a PHD in Chemical Engineering. Jeff Immelt a MBA from Harvard and degree in Maths from Dartford.
None of these men would've made it to the top without a formal education unless they started their own companies and became rich that way.
Gates, Branson... and despite Welch having a formal education, he still holds the other attributes that I mentioned higher than someone with a degree. I also disagree with the highlighted. People with that kind of drive will always make it to the top. The real learning begins in real life situations after you receive that degree.
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I have a 4 year degree, but what I respect is money - real wealth.
I've dedicated the last couple of decades of my life to accumulating as much wealth as possible. Much of what I have made has been made from me sucking up to those who already have lots of it - usually more than me, sometimes far more - and convincing them to let me invest some or all of it for them.
I can certainly respect a geologist with a PhD who makes a nice living and retires with a million or 2 in his state retirement plan.
I have more respect for the geologist who only bothered with getting a BS and is worth 100 times that as a direct result of busting his ass and taking risks in the oil fields.
I respect most of all a guy who didn't even bother attending college who borrowed a few bucks and started his own oil company from nothing and is now worth $20 billion, and who hires those geologists and keeps those university professors and academic programs well endowed.
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I have a 4 year degree, but what I respect is money - real wealth.
I've dedicated the last couple of decades of my life to accumulating as much wealth as possible. Much of what I have made has been made from me sucking up to those who already have lots of it - usually more than me, sometimes far more - and convincing them to let me invest some or all of it for them.
I can certainly respect a geologist with a PhD who makes a nice living and retires with a million or 2 in his state retirement plan.
I have more respect for the geologist who only bothered with getting a BS and is worth 100 times that as a direct result of busting his ass and taking risks in the oil fields.
I respect most of all a guy who didn't even bother attending college who borrowed a few bucks and started his own oil company from nothing and is now worth $20 billion, and who hires those geologists and keeps those university professors and academic programs well endowed.
Sad that you don`t respect anything else other than money. Life must be empty with that kind of feeling.
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Sad that you don`t respect anything else other than money. Life must be empty with that kind of feeling.
I had to earn mine. ;D
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I have a 4 year degree, but what I respect is money - real wealth.
I've dedicated the last couple of decades of my life to accumulating as much wealth as possible. Much of what I have made has been made from me sucking up to those who already have lots of it - usually more than me, sometimes far more - and convincing them to let me invest some or all of it for them.
I can certainly respect a geologist with a PhD who makes a nice living and retires with a million or 2 in his state retirement plan.
I have more respect for the geologist who only bothered with getting a BS and is worth 100 times that as a direct result of busting his ass and taking risks in the oil fields.
I respect most of all a guy who didn't even bother attending college who borrowed a few bucks and started his own oil company from nothing and is now worth $20 billion, and who hires those geologists and keeps those university professors and academic programs well endowed.
Do you respect this? This is real wealth afterall. (the kid and family are dumber than a box of rocks, but they have more money than you or your entire blood line will have in 1000 years) Personally, I don`t respect them because I know they are complete morons, but you probably do because they have nicer things than you do. :D
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LOL
I love the implied ownership of "our" shelves, "our" pizza, "our" cabs as if they belong to the "privileged" customer and not the hard working employee or owner. The overall condescending tone hilarious. BaygayBear, I really wonder about you sometimes. Your intentions may have decent, but your execution sucks.
BayGBM is your teacher and you simply bend over when he wants you to. HTH.
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Do you respect this? This is real wealth afterall. (the kid and family are dumber than a box of rocks, but they have more money than you or your entire blood line will have in 1000 years) Personally, I don`t respect them because I know they are complete morons, but you probably do because they have nicer things than you do. :D
I don't know who that is, don't know how much they have, don't care.
I'm a 45 year old professional money manager - I'm not one of these getbig retards who think "stuff" like watches and cars equal wealth.
Some of my wealthiest clients live in homes and drive cars that would make most people laugh - yet they're worth 7-8 figures or more in some cases.
I live in an area that has lots of oil and gas. Myself, my family, and many other people I know have benefitted handsomely. But I've still worked my nuts off over 20 years for most of my money.
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I don't know who that is, don't know how much they have, don't care.
I'm a 45 year old professional money manager - I'm not one of these getbig retards who think "stuff" like watches and cars equal wealth.
Some of my wealthiest clients live in homes and drive cars that would make most people laugh - yet they're worth 7-8 figures or more in some cases.
I live in an area that has lots of oil and gas. Myself, my family, and many other people I know have benefitted handsomely. But I've still worked my nuts off over 20 years for most of my money.
Who gives a shit?
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2Thick what can you run the 100 meters in?
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2Thick what can you run the 100 meters in?
Not as fast as Usain Bolt I would guess.
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Who gives a shit?
You must - you decided to start trolling me and made lots of assumptions in doing so.
You'll "win" the argument - unlike you, I don't have 20 hours a day to kill on here.
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2Thick what can you run the 100 meters in?
Under 20 seconds last I checked - but that was some time ago. :-\
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You must - you decided to start trolling me and made lots of assumptions in doing so.
You'll "win" the argument - unlike you, I don't have 20 hours a day to kill on here.
I am not trolling you and I don`t care about winning. I am just here to tell you that I and everyone else don`t give a shit about you or your "money-making" skills. Nobody cares.
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I am not trolling you and I don`t care about winning. I am just here to tell you that I and everyone else don`t give a shit about you or your "money-making" skills. Nobody cares.
Obviously you do care. You wouldn't have jumped all over my first post like a rabid left wing communist nutjob if you didn't.
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Obviously you do care. You wouldn't have jumped all over my first post like a rabid left wing communist nutjob if you didn't.
I only care to point out that nobody cares. The amount of concern I have over you is zero and I don`t see that stock rising any time soon. Take that to the bank, Mortimer.
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you drive a hunday, i drive an 80,000 $ bmw, that's who i am
lol
;D
Some of the kids at the local high school drive BMW's and they probably know how to spell Hyundai....that's who they are.
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I only care to point out that nobody cares. The amount of concern I have over you is zero and I don`t see that stock rising any time soon. Take that to the bank, Mortimer.
You keep arguing about it.
My advice would be to find something productive you're passionate about and pour at least half of a 24-hour day into it consistently. It might fill the void, make you feel better about yourself, and change the way you view us evil capitalist pigs.
Have a good weekend.
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Some of the kids at the local high school drive BMW's and they probably know how to spell Hyundai....that's who they are.
Who cares either way? What kind of car did Dennis Hopper drive? Give up? Doesn`t matter because Dennis Hopper is dead.
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Some of the kids at the local high school drive BMW's and they probably know how to spell Hyundai....that's who they are.
who gives a shit you old homo
nobody likes you here
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You keep arguing about it.
My advice would be to find something productive you're passionate about and pour at least half of a 24-hour day into it consistently. It might fill the void, make you feel better about yourself, and change the way you view us evil capitalist pigs.
Have a good weekend.
I am passionate about laughing at your envy of others to be honest. Alex and company would have a field day with you. :D
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I am passionate about laughing at your envy of others to be honest. Alex and company would have a field day with you. :D
To say that I envy the truly rich who have made me pretty rich myself is moronic.
I'm also smart enough to know real wealth from internet "alpha males" with little or no net worth, lots of debt, too much in depreciating assets, etc.
You're obviously either deliberately taking my posts out of context, or else you're truly just a dumb kid who doesn't understand much.
I guess that happens when you're young or haven't actually ever worked or earned anything yourself.
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Who cares either way? What kind of car did Dennis Hopper drive? Give up? Doesn`t matter because Dennis Hopper is dead.
I think you missed my point, probably because this was a reply to Anabolichalo's post suggesting driving a BMW is a big deal. In this you and I are in agreement, I think. What kind of car a person drives is of little consequence when all is said and done.
Since Dennis Hopper is dead, one hopes he no longer drives a car. ;D
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who gives a shit you old homo
nobody likes you here
You make me sad with the mean things you say to me. ::)
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To say that I envy the truly rich who have made me pretty rich myself is moronic.
I'm also smart enough to know real wealth from internet "alpha males" with little or no net worth, lots of debt, too much in depreciating assets, etc.
You're obviously either deliberately taking my posts out of context, or else you're truly just a dumb kid who doesn't understand much.
I guess that happens when you're young or haven't actually ever worked or earned anything yourself.
You are now the king of assumptions I see. Your whole existence is based on kissing asses as you yourself admitted. Just curious, why do you feel the need to mention the fact that you are 45 years of age in every post? Are we supposed to be impressed by that or something? I am sure on your 46th revolution around the sun you will still be kissing the asses of those you envy. So whats the point?
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This is a misconception a lot of companies have today, which is too bad. Realistically, a college degree, regardless of how advanced the degree is doesn't ensure these degreed folks are truly critical thinkers. In fact, good old commonsense seems to elude many of the most educated people around, in my experience. If the educational community and businesses keep focusing on degrees as a criteria for recruitment of new employees, many people won't start working until they are 30 or more years old. Once they start earning money, they will owe a good portion of their salaries for student loans....all that to sling a hamburger or bring a customer their water, (okay so some will have better jobs then this, but you get the picture).
Completely agree. By and large, college doesn't encourage critical thinking at all. Professors simply teach you which ideas or ideologies to criticize. More specifically, it's unchecked liberal indoctrination. Students critical of this are at risk of unwarranted failing, censorship, removal from class, or even expulsion.
Research current statistics on professors' political affiliations; then Google the cutesy little term "Speech Codes," and guess which voices it's overwhelmingly used against. To shame, silence, or worse. Far left fascism, plain and simple, from the self-proclaimed champions of free speech.
And this "bastions of tolerance and diversity" nonsense they commonly espouse has absolutely zero to do with ideas or opinions; it is ENTIRELY about skin color.
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My stepdad graduated from the 8th grade and went to work to help support his family. Many years later, he went into business for himself in the trades as a painting contractor. Although he was a bright man and well read, he had almost no formal education. What he had was drive and ambition, the ambition to make money and in doing that he was successful.
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My stepdad graduated from the 8th grade and went to work to help support his family. Many years later, he went into business for himself in the trades as a painting contractor. Although he was a bright man and well read, he had almost no formal education. What he had was drive and ambition, the ambition to make money and in doing that he was successful.
Whats he painting these days?
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Whats he painting these days?
Rainbows in the sky. He died 32 years ago.
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Rainbows in the sky. He died 32 years ago.
Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
you are a bitter and nasty individual. No need to attack people's family like that. :(
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The educational system in Germany, where my son and grandchildren live is different from the U.S. By the time a person enters what would be their high school sophomore year, they begin studies for a career based which is based on their aptitude and not on what they or their parents imagine for them. If tests show you have the ability to become a doctor and this is what you want to do, your education is geared to accommodate this early on. If like my daughter-in-law, you want to be a fashion designer but don't seem to have the talent for this, you can still study for it, but you must pay for your education.
Brilliant system. Too PC here to ever consider such an idea. Can't stigmatize anyone with the "shame" of being assigned a trade route. 'Everyone can/should be a scholar,' we insist. F'n retarded.
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you are a bitter and nasty individual. No need to attack people's family like that. :(
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This old fart read your other post in this thread. Unfortunately, it was less then impressive, as they usually are. You could use some education when it comes to the English language, BTW.
Than.
Ironic, no?
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Than.
Ironic, no?
Ironic, yes! Thanks.
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Than.
Ironic, no?
oh the ironing :D
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Ironic, yes! Thanks.
No need to thank me for correcting errors. It's actually quite toolish.
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This thread has derailed into pointless bickering. Let's get it back on track.
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This thread has derailed into pointless bickering. Let's get it back on track.
Oh, word?
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Oh, word?
Immediately thought of Dave Chappell for some reason.
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I'm blue collar white trash, I have to work 60 hours just to keep up with the poverty line. College folk like to tell how "you could have worked harder and been this or that and made more money and blah blah blah"
I tell them the same thing. They could have been a brain surgeon or an astronaut and made much more money themselves. Then they start about how they're happy where they're at as if a less materialistic person, such as myself, can't be as well. Their happiness depends on whether or not they have the nicest car (usually one they don't like that is unreliable and won't actually be paid for until they're 70 if they skip meals and go without heat during the winter) or biggest TV screen (because that's what's important in life).
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No need to thank me for correcting errors. It's actually quite toolish.
I know, but I've done it myself. What is more, I actually appreciate when someone does this. It seems like constructive criticism to me.
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Gates, Branson... and despite Welch having a formal education, he still holds the other attributes that I mentioned higher than someone with a degree. I also disagree with the highlighted. People with that kind of drive will always make it to the top. The real learning begins in real life situations after you receive that degree.
Yes Joe, you mention TWO guys out of 3.5 BILLION that made it to the top without a formal education. Forget the billionaires, they're extreme cases. It's an idiotic point.
Facts are that Welch would never have made it to the top of GE, regardless of his inhuman drive without a formal degree. It just wouldn't happen. The top 5000 managers at GE ALL have degrees. Without fail.
It's funny, I've just googled 'CEOs without degrees'. Business Week links comes up with some impressive people, all started their own companies. It's the only way. You're NOT going to run GE, BP, Exxon without a formal education. You're limiting yourself.
But I fully agree with you that the learning starts after you received your degree. It's lifelong learning and passion that counts. But a degree smooth your way.
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I'm blue collar white trash, I have to work 60 hours just to keep up with the poverty line. College folk like to tell how "you could have worked harder and been this or that and made more money and blah blah blah"
I tell them the same thing. They could have been a brain surgeon or an astronaut and made much more money themselves. Then they start about how they're happy where they're at as if a less materialistic person, such as myself, can't be as well. Their happiness depends on whether or not they have the nicest car (usually one they don't like that is unreliable and won't actually be paid for until they're 70 if they skip meals and go without heat during the winter) or biggest TV screen (because that's what's important in life).
I too worked in "blue collar jobs" like you. Fortunately, I never had to work 60 hours a week to make ends meet. My wife also worked much of our life together with the exception of a few years off when our children were very young.
I was a renegade in my family. My father and both grandfathers were college educated. One grandfather was a very successful lawyer with a Harvard law degree. The other grandfather was a dental surgeon and later Dean of the dental school at the University of Michigan. My father had a degree in structural engineering.
As I mentioned before, my stepdad was a well paid painting contractor whose formal education ended when he graduated from the 8th grade. He also worked 6 or 7 days a week and rarely had time for recreation and family.
I chose a different path from all of them. Other than having enough income to get by, making lots of money was never my goal. Good fortune and luck provided well for me and my family overtime. I feel very fortunate to be comfortably retired with no money worries whatsoever. We've also benefited financially from inheriting money from some of our wealthier family.
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I finished school at 18. I then got a graduate job, despite the fact I have no degree. When my friends finished their degrees, they ended up 3-4 years behind me. I ended up running a company for an MNC and I now run my own company.
As roughly half of this was due to judgement and the rest due to good luck/'right place, right time' - it is VERY likely that had I done the degree, I would be in a poorer position right now.
I am sure times have changed but back in '88 when I started working, the degree only really helped you to get your first job. After that it was all about experience and reputation. I managed to get into a field that clicked with me and a niche in that field that came easy to me. So I got a reputation because of being one of the best in that niche. Pure luck that I applied to work with a company that used that niche technology.
My own company came about because fuckwits in the financial industry lost 30% of my net worth. That ended up in me going down a path that now supports me. Again, some luck & some judgement.
About 5 years ago, I mentored a girl through her Phd thesis. The whole thing struck me as being total nonsense. She put together a nice long thesis, that was then reviewed a number of times by people that had ZERO real world experience & now she's "Dr". She is very smart on paper but when she has stuff she can't figure out, she comes to me.
Saying that, I've seen some of the on line video courses from Yale and I have to say some are excellent. This one stands out... &feature=plcp
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Funny these people that say 'Well Michael Dell/Gates/Whoever don't have degrees and look at them today'
Yes dickhead, because the average person are directly comparable to Bill Gates. Who by the way, had a technical SKILL that billions of people don't have. But I understand why people need to justify their lack of education in such a way.
Unless you start your own business, you'll be at the bottom of the food chain your whole life.
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Guessing no degree?
:D
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Funny these people that say 'Well Michael Dell/Gates/Whoever don't have degrees and look at them today'
Yes dickhead, because the average person are directly comparable to Bill Gates. Who by the way, had a technical SKILL that billions of people don't have. But I understand why people need to justify their lack of education in such a way.
Unless you start your own business, you'll be at the bottom of the food chain your whole life.
You make this sound so absolute. On average, I think you are right about a lacking education with regards to the culture in the U.S. However, there are always exceptions. Furthermore, being highly educated does not ensure financial success.
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Troll score: 0/10
PS: a BA/BS isn't worth shit these days. The best coder I ever hired had a fucking GED.
C'mon man, we both know coding is pretty much an exception to the rule. I'm a former programmer myself and despite doing a Computer Science degree, sucked compared to some self taught programmers that passionate about the stuff. In fact. my 'go to' guy when I got stuck were my pal's 16 year old brother. This was long before Stack Overflow or C-Sharp Corner. I had to sweat the details myself straight from the manuals.
He wrote his own compilers and graphics engines for 'fun'. Today he works for Sony on their game consoles architecture. He could have done an African Studies degree and still became a programming God.
You gotta love it to do it.
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Funny these people that say 'Well Michael Dell/Gates/Whoever don't have degrees and look at them today'
Yes dickhead, because the average person are directly comparable to Bill Gates. Who by the way, had a technical SKILL that billions of people don't have. But I understand why people need to justify their lack of education in such a way.
Unless you start your own business, you'll be at the bottom of the food chain your whole life.
More down to earth then...
In the late 90's, I was earning $900 per day, plus expenses on long term contracts. That was when $900 a day was a lot of money...
My last salaried job had a basic salary of $180,000 per year.
This obviously does not make me Billy Gates. I believe it puts me above average.
I have no degree. Left school at 18.
Universities don't teach common sense. They don't teach the ability to adapt. They don't teach the ability to learn quickly. They don't teach you how to deal with corporate assholes looking to stab you in the back.
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More down to earth then...
In the late 90's, I was earning $900 per day, plus expenses on long term contracts. That was when $900 a day was a lot of money...
My last salaried job had a basic salary of $180,000 per year.
This obviously does not make me Billy Gates. I believe it puts me above average.
I have no degree. Left school at 18.
Universities don't teach common sense. They don't teach the ability to adapt. They don't teach the ability to learn quickly. They don't teach you how to deal with corporate assholes looking to stab you in the back.
I suggest at that income level, you've done well for yourself, better than most folks.
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More down to earth then...
In the late 90's, I was earning $900 per day, plus expenses on long term contracts. That was when $900 a day was a lot of money...
My last salaried job had a basic salary of $180,000 per year.
This obviously does not make me Billy Gates. I believe it puts me above average.
I have no degree. Left school at 18.
Universities don't teach common sense. They don't teach the ability to adapt. They don't teach the ability to learn quickly. They don't teach you how to deal with corporate assholes looking to stab you in the back.
I've started typing a reply to your other post but phone rang and got sidetracked. I was going to say that you're an exception. For your success without a degree, there's a 100 other guys that didn't 'make' it.
I know you guys want to argue this point, but a degree differentiate you from the guy that don't have one when your CVs get to the hiring manager. There are industries more forgiving with lack of formal education, IT and Construction immediately comes to mind, but once you get to management level, it's going to start hurting you.
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I've started typing a reply to your other post but phone rang and got sidetracked. I was going to say that you're an exception. For your success without a degree, there's a 100 other guys that didn't 'make' it.
I know you guys want to argue this point, but a degree differentiate you from the guy that don't have one when your CVs get to the hiring manager. There are industries more forgiving with lack of formal education, IT and Construction immediately comes to mind, but once you get to management level, it's going to start hurting you.
These days even IT jobs require degrees, you make very good points though
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I know, but I've done it myself.
Yes, toolish.
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I've started typing a reply to your other post but phone rang and got sidetracked. I was going to say that you're an exception. For your success without a degree, there's a 100 other guys that didn't 'make' it.
I know you guys want to argue this point, but a degree differentiate you from the guy that don't have one when your CVs get to the hiring manager. There are industries more forgiving with lack of formal education, IT and Construction immediately comes to mind, but once you get to management level, it's going to start hurting you.
I think both you and Pedro both make very valid and good points.
I think about formal tertiary education much more now that I have children and at the end of the day I want my kids to get the best degrees from the handful of top universities out there. It will not guarantee them success but a top tier Academic institution on your CV opens doors and continues to be an advantage all your life. I went to Oxford and my business partner went to Cambridge - these are things people latch onto even now decades later. And my academic qualifications mean literally fuck all to what I do.
But ultimately education is all about what you do with it and the vast majority do fuck all.
I know many Phds in my industry and most of them are useless sacks of shit.
I also agree wholeheartedly with the getting your foot through the door comment for younger guys. Quality business experience and exposure helps entrepreneurs to learn some lessons, now more so than ever, and it is really tough to get that without a good degree / nepotism.
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No degree here and barely scraping by making 3 x what the internet says the average is for masters degree holders.
Poor me :-*
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No degree here and barely scraping by making 3 x what the internet says the average is for masters degree holders.
Poor me :-*
Only 3? yeah your life sucks! ;D
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
Which one of your parents taught you this?
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most successful business owners, regardless of their educational background, really enjoy what they do. That is my personal experience.
Talked to a guy recently who owns several Ferraris and Lamborghinis. He works 60 hours per week or more, and he wouldn't want to live any other way.
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I'm guessing a lot of Getbiggers have 'School of Hard Knocks' listed as their university on Facebook.
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I've started typing a reply to your other post but phone rang and got sidetracked. I was going to say that you're an exception. For your success without a degree, there's a 100 other guys that didn't 'make' it.
I know you guys want to argue this point, but a degree differentiate you from the guy that don't have one when your CVs get to the hiring manager. There are industries more forgiving with lack of formal education, IT and Construction immediately comes to mind, but once you get to management level, it's going to start hurting you.
I disagree but mostly because we have different ideas on how to find employment. Many people have only one approach & that's sending a resume to a hiring manager and getting an interview.
I last got a job that way 24 years ago. Since then I spent a lot of time as a freelance consultant. I eventually decided to settle and by word of mouth and networking, I landed a regional directors job in Asia. That went tits up because I didn't want to join a management buy out and then I found a firm and sold them on the merits of setting up out here. I was still an employee but running a company I recommended they create.
It's all been about networking/word of mouth since I did the consulting.
What I would never do is pick up a trade journal/newspaper and start sending a resume in. That relies so much on timing and chance that it seems the worst approach. Think about it - a company might be planning to hire a bunch of people in 3-6 months time, they might be talking about it, budgeting, making plans but only at a certain time will they advertise. So you need to make people aware of who you are (well, who you say you are) and what you can do. You end up on their horizon as they are making plans.
I'm not saying this would work for every job at every level but when it comes to management roles, this approach makes a lot more sense to me than waiting for firms to advertise.
I landed a graduate job at 18 by looking for companies advertising, then researching for the appropriate directors name. I sent them personal letters telling them who I was and what I had to offer, asking innocently if they had anything. Some thought I had initiative (when really I just knew I couldn't apply the normal way) and I got roped into aptitude tests. The first interview I had, I got my first job. Of course, I'm no fool and I do realize they could pay me less.
I know graduates that wouldn't have the sense take that sort of initiative at 35 years old. That's the sort of thing they don't teach in school.
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I disagree but mostly because we have different ideas on how to find employment. Many people have only one approach & that's sending a resume to a hiring manager and getting an interview.
I last got a job that way 24 years ago. Since then I spent a lot of time as a freelance consultant. I eventually decided to settle and by word of mouth and networking, I landed a regional directors job in Asia. That went tits up because I didn't want to join a management buy out and then I found a firm and sold them on the merits of setting up out here. I was still an employee but running a company I recommended they create.
It's all been about networking/word of mouth since I did the consulting.
What I would never do is pick up a trade journal/newspaper and start sending a resume in. That relies so much on timing and chance that it seems the worst approach. Think about it - a company might be planning to hire a bunch of people in 3-6 months time, they might be talking about it, budgeting, making plans but only at a certain time will they advertise. So you need to make people aware of who you are (well, who you say you are) and what you can do. You end up on their horizon as they are making plans.
I'm not saying this would work for every job at every level but when it comes to management roles, this approach makes a lot more sense to me than waiting for firms to advertise.
I landed a graduate job at 18 by looking for companies advertising, then researching for the appropriate directors name. I sent them personal letters telling them who I was and what I had to offer, asking innocently if they had anything. Some thought I had initiative (when really I just knew I couldn't apply the normal way) and I got roped into aptitude tests. The first interview I had, I got my first job. Of course, I'm no fool and I do realize they could pay me less.
I know graduates that wouldn't have the sense take that sort of initiative at 35 years old. That's the sort of thing they don't teach in school.
Many of the best opportunities are via networking. A lot of resumés end up in the round file.
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I disagree but mostly because we have different ideas on how to find employment. Many people have only one approach & that's sending a resume to a hiring manager and getting an interview.
I last got a job that way 24 years ago. Since then I spent a lot of time as a freelance consultant. I eventually decided to settle and by word of mouth and networking, I landed a regional directors job in Asia. That went tits up because I didn't want to join a management buy out and then I found a firm and sold them on the merits of setting up out here. I was still an employee but running a company I recommended they create.
It's all been about networking/word of mouth since I did the consulting.
What I would never do is pick up a trade journal/newspaper and start sending a resume in. That relies so much on timing and chance that it seems the worst approach. Think about it - a company might be planning to hire a bunch of people in 3-6 months time, they might be talking about it, budgeting, making plans but only at a certain time will they advertise. So you need to make people aware of who you are (well, who you say you are) and what you can do. You end up on their horizon as they are making plans.
I'm not saying this would work for every job at every level but when it comes to management roles, this approach makes a lot more sense to me than waiting for firms to advertise.
I landed a graduate job at 18 by looking for companies advertising, then researching for the appropriate directors name. I sent them personal letters telling them who I was and what I had to offer, asking innocently if they had anything. Some thought I had initiative (when really I just knew I couldn't apply the normal way) and I got roped into aptitude tests. The first interview I had, I got my first job. Of course, I'm no fool and I do realize they could pay me less.
I know graduates that wouldn't have the sense take that sort of initiative at 35 years old. That's the sort of thing they don't teach in school.
Those days of doing what you did are long gone.
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Those days of doing what you did are long gone.
Not they aren't.
I know plenty of people that are still doing this. In fact, a close friend (with no degree) is going through this process now and is mulling over a number of offers. Some of those start in Q1/Q2 2015 - as I said, it puts you ahead of the curve, although if you want something right now, that's not always desirable.
When was the last time you tried this and failed?
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Not they aren't.
I know plenty of people that are still doing this. In fact, a close friend (with no degree) is going through this process now and is mulling over a number of offers. Some of those start in Q1/Q2 2015 - as I said, it puts you ahead of the curve, although if you want something right now, that's not always desirable.
When was the last time you tried this and failed?
But what type of jobs?
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But what type of jobs?
Senior Management/Business Development roles mostly...
Helping with start-ups and fuck-ups.
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Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
I have a masters and doctorate and I'm replying to your post on getbig.
My ed-ja-ma-kay-shun really made me rich and successful .
Really?Thats one of the stupidest remarks .Anyone with any ability to think sees past that stement
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Senior Management/Business Development roles mostly...
Helping with start-ups and fuck-ups.
Ok, so anyone can just start sending resumes in and showing up in person without any experience or any credentials and land a 100,000 dollar job, you just have to be persistent and try?
Is that what you are saying? ???
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There is no situation or circumstance in professional life where having a college degree hurts you.
That's not to say that a college degree is essential to have a reasonable likelihood of success in all endeavors, but trying to argue that one is somehow better off not having a formal college-level education in 2014, which numerous posters in this thread are trying to do, is simply ignorant.
The other part that doesn't make any sense is when people argue about things like "initiative", "real-world experience", "work ethic", as if (i) you don't need these things to be successful in a university undergraduate program ??? and (ii) by spending the ages of 18-22 in a university, you can't obtain these things ???. Arguments like those demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what modern universities are like, what it takes to be successful at one, and what the lifelong benefits of this experience are.
I will make no further posts in this thread since arguing against anything I've said here in a serious fashion with conviction is sheer idiocy.
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There is no situation or circumstance in professional life where having a college degree hurts you.
That's not to say that a college degree is essential to have a reasonable likelihood of success in all endeavors, but trying to argue that one is somehow better off not having a formal college-level education in 2014, which numerous posters in this thread are trying to do, is simply ignorant.
The other part that doesn't make any sense is when people argue about things like "initiative", "real-world experience", "work ethic", as if (i) you don't need these things to be successful in a university undergraduate program ??? and (ii) by spending the ages of 18-22 in a university, you can't obtain these things ???. Arguments like those demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what modern universities are like, what it takes to be successful at one, and what the lifelong benefits of this experience are.
I will make no further posts in this thread since arguing against anything I've said here in a serious fashion with conviction is sheer idiocy.
What does that even mean? There is only one earth that we all live on. Do they know something we don`t? ???
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There is no situation or circumstance in professional life where having a college degree hurts you.
That's not to say that a college degree is essential to have a reasonable likelihood of success in all endeavors, but trying to argue that one is somehow better off not having a formal college-level education in 2014, which numerous posters in this thread are trying to do, is simply ignorant.
The other part that doesn't make any sense is when people argue about things like "initiative", "real-world experience", "work ethic", as if (i) you don't need these things to be successful in a university undergraduate program ??? and (ii) by spending the ages of 18-22 in a university, you can't obtain these things ???. Arguments like those demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what modern universities are like, what it takes to be successful at one, and what the lifelong benefits of this experience are.
I will make no further posts in this thread since arguing against anything I've said here in a serious fashion with conviction is sheer idiocy.
Comments for HR interviewers like, "Considering you're extensive education in this field, do you think you'd be happy in this position?" suggest that there are those who do get hurt. Or how about this one, "I see that you have a Master's degree in ____ what employment experience do you have in ____?"
Having said the above, one hopes they are the exception, but it does happen. There are some circumstances where a college degree hinders you in the professional world.
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People who don't earn a university degree tend to have a superficial view of the world, and their opinions are often those of others. They believe everything they hear (i.e. news stories, rumors), they sorely lack in critical thinking, and typically are unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts. Hence, most companies won't even consider a non-college grad for a white collar position. A Bachelor's Degree is the price of admission to being taken seriously in high society, and even that is a bare minimum. A graduate degree ia really what's needed
I thought it was the opposite, that university grads believe everything they read, talk about tv series, don't have their own opinions and don't think outside the box?
Maybe it's just me.
But I agree, in a 'high' society you need bachelors degree at minimum to be taken seriously, but in my experience those kind of people definitely don't think outside the box.
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There is no situation or circumstance in professional life where having a college degree hurts you.
That's not to say that a college degree is essential to have a reasonable likelihood of success in all endeavors, but trying to argue that one is somehow better off not having a formal college-level education in 2014, which numerous posters in this thread are trying to do, is simply ignorant.
The other part that doesn't make any sense is when people argue about things like "initiative", "real-world experience", "work ethic", as if (i) you don't need these things to be successful in a university undergraduate program ??? and (ii) by spending the ages of 18-22 in a university, you can't obtain these things ???. Arguments like those demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what modern universities are like, what it takes to be successful at one, and what the lifelong benefits of this experience are.
I will make no further posts in this thread since arguing against anything I've said here in a serious fashion with conviction is sheer idiocy.
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Statistically, people with college education do better than people who only completed highschool. Trying to bring Bill Gates and other exceptions into the discussion is absolutely retarded.
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Statistically, people with college education do better than people who only completed highschool. Trying to bring Bill Gates and other exceptions into the discussion is absolutely retarded.
That I can agree on. But a far as believing in other people opinions, not thinking outside the box, not capable of critical thinking etc. imo has nothing to do with having a university degree. jephrius just wants to act like a tough guy.
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Really? Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and never got his degree. Real failure 'eh. ::)
What does Bill Gates bench press?
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If I needed to to paint a door, why would "thinking outside a box" be beneficial and how would one go about it? I suppose I could look for creative ways to paint the door. Maybe buy a fur coat roll around in some paint and rub against the walls. Maybe I could fill a baby pool full of paint and then do cannonballs until the paint goes on the wall to my liking.
Is this good?
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What does Bill Gates bench press?
Bill Gates can bench press 650 lbs easily thinking outside the box.
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Maybe someone can program a box to do all the thinking so that way we can just leave all the work to the boxes.
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Maybe someone can program a box to do all the thinking so that way we can just leave all the work to the boxes.
It's been tried, but someone has to operate the boxes and tell them what to do.
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Ok, so anyone can just start sending resumes in and showing up in person without any experience or any credentials and land a 100,000 dollar job, you just have to be persistent and try?
Is that what you are saying? ???
We are discussing landing a role where you have expertise. I presume you get that and are just trying to be a smartass with the above comment.
What you need to do is to get outside of the "sending resume's" box. ;D
The pool of places to apply comes from people you know directly, people that your network can put you in touch with and totally cold contacts. Sending a resume to a cold contact is pointless. Most likely they won't even get to read it. Their secretary will tear it up. You can see her as the angry gatekeeper and your job is basically to get past her and directly to the person making a decision.
I will admit, there is a bit of an 'art' to getting personal contact details of the people you want to sit in front of. The higher up they are, the harder it is. For most people, that whole process will be a mystery BUT most people probably have a buddy in corporate sales and they can fill you in on the 'tricks' associated with getting someone's attention.
You should not be sending resume's. You will have their attention for a limited time. All you need to do initially is to tell them what you can do for them. As a backup, also be ready to tell them what you have done before.
This whole process does take a bit more effore than printing out the same application letter 500 times with a different name at the top, attaching a resume & sticking them in envelopes and posting them out.
If you do what everyone else does, you get what everyone else gets. The fact that most people think sending in resumes to posted job applications is the only way to get a new job is great news for people that are thinking outside the box.
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We are discussing landing a role where you have expertise. I presume you get that and are just trying to be a smartass with the above comment.
What you need to do is to get outside of the "sending resume's" box. ;D
The pool of places to apply comes from people you know directly, people that your network can put you in touch with and totally cold contacts. Sending a resume to a cold contact is pointless. Most likely they won't even get to read it. Their secretary will tear it up. You can see her as the angry gatekeeper and your job is basically to get past her and directly to the person making a decision.
I will admit, there is a bit of an 'art' to getting personal contact details of the people you want to sit in front of. The higher up they are, the harder it is. For most people, that whole process will be a mystery BUT most people probably have a buddy in corporate sales and they can fill you in on the 'tricks' associated with getting someone's attention.
You should not be sending resume's. You will have their attention for a limited time. All you need to do initially is to tell them what you can do for them. As a backup, also be ready to tell them what you have done before.
This whole process does take a bit more effore than printing out the same application letter 500 times with a different name at the top, attaching a resume & sticking them in envelopes and posting them out.
If you do what everyone else does, you get what everyone else gets. The fact that most people think sending in resumes to posted job applications is the only way to get a new job is great news for people that are thinking outside the box.
I`d probably just show them all 42,000 of my Getbig posts, its quite the body of work that covers all subjects, insults, battles, adversaries, "thinking outside the box". Then I will direct them to my Apenis Degree signed by Goodrum himself from the College of Delusional Morons.
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who gives a fuck about a degree money is all that matters and if you don't think so you're the one with a clouded vision of reality.
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I`d probably just show them all 42,000 of my Getbig posts, its quite the body of work that covers all subjects, insults, battles, adversaries, "thinking outside the box". Then I will direct them to my Apenis Degree signed by Goodrum himself from the College of Delusional Morons.
You are hired!
When can you start?
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You are hired!
When can you start?
Well that was easy. I was thinking about your post earlier and wondering why more people with or without degrees don`t offer to take less pay for a job. Wouldn`t that impress a hiring manager if someone said, "I can do the job for 5,000 less easily". What would you think if you heard something like that?
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Well that was easy. I was thinking about your post earlier and wondering why more people with or without degrees don`t offer to take less pay for a job. Wouldn`t that impress a hiring manager if someone said, "I can do the job for 5,000 less easily". What would you think if you heard something like that?
In the U.S. it is like saying you don't have any confidence in yourself. Now if instead you said, I can do this job and much more for the company....you'd probably get somewhere. Just be ready to back up what you say.
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In the U.S. it is like saying you don't have any confidence in yourself. Now if instead you said, I can do this job and much more for the company....you'd probably get somewhere. Just be ready to back up what you say.
See, if someone said that to me, I would take it the opposite way and that they have complete confidence.
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See, if someone said that to me, I would take it the opposite way and that they have complete confidence.
You might be right. I chair the board for a non-profit corporation. I do it for free. I didn't even have to ask for the position, they asked me.
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Depends on what you got a degree in.
In the UK, any moron can go to university and get a degree in some pointless subject.
Spot on, the number of CV's I see for people applying for jobs in the city with degrees in Sports Science, Bio-chemistry...etc I lost count.
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Well that was easy. I was thinking about your post earlier and wondering why more people with or without degrees don`t offer to take less pay for a job. Wouldn`t that impress a hiring manager if someone said, "I can do the job for 5,000 less easily". What would you think if you heard something like that?
My first thoughts would be
- they may well be crap & desperate
- they'll still keep looking for a job after I hire them. If they know they can get another $5k elsewhere, then at some point, they will.
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Go to school, kids.
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You are now the king of assumptions I see. Your whole existence is based on kissing asses as you yourself admitted. Just curious, why do you feel the need to mention the fact that you are 45 years of age in every post? Are we supposed to be impressed by that or something? I am sure on your 46th revolution around the sun you will still be kissing the asses of those you envy. So whats the point?
I kiss asses and own appreciating assets.
You think meatheads who brag about making a measly $200k a year in a very expensive area in the same breath they complain about barely being able to pay their bills are "rich". Like I said, you're a dumb, naive, unsophisticated kid who tries really hard to come off as otherwise.
It's very obvious that your limited knowledge of anything comes from googling and copy / paste jobs. There is no depth of knowledge of anything. Maybe lay off doing the getbig and google thing 20 hours a day 7 days a week and get some actual experience in something(s)?
And you ironically project your liberal ideologies onto others instinctively - you yourself very obviously envy others, believe in wealth redistribution, whine about "income inequality", etc constantly. To you and your ilk, the pie doesn't grow - so it needs to be handed over to your govt to be reallocated. Or if the pie does actually grow, you believe that those who actually contribute the most are "disproportionately" rewarded, correct?
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95% of what I know I learned after college. And I think the relationships I formed in college were even more helpful than the degree.
The most import things I have done have been to relentlessly network, build and maintain relationships, and in the past to have made lots of cold / warm sales calls - overcoming the fear of rejection / failure while honing your communications skills goes a long way.
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95% of what I know I learned after college. And I think the relationships I formed in college were even more helpful than the degree.
The most import things I have done have been to relentlessly network, build and maintain relationships, and in the past to have made lots of cold / warm sales calls - overcoming the fear of rejection / failure while honing your communications skills goes a long way.
Good point! If all I got from uni was critical thinking, it was a bargain.
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I kiss asses and own appreciating assets.
You think meatheads who brag about making a measly $200k a year in a very expensive area in the same breath they complain about barely being able to pay their bills are "rich". Like I said, you're a dumb, naive, unsophisticated kid who tries really hard to come off as otherwise.
It's very obvious that your limited knowledge of anything comes from googling and copy / paste jobs. There is no depth of knowledge of anything. Maybe lay off doing the getbig and google thing 20 hours a day 7 days a week and get some actual experience in something(s)?
And you ironically project your liberal ideologies onto others instinctively - you yourself very obviously envy others, believe in wealth redistribution, whine about "income inequality", etc constantly. To you and your ilk, the pie doesn't grow - so it needs to be handed over to your govt to be reallocated. Or if the pie does actually grow, you believe that those who actually contribute the most are "disproportionately" rewarded, correct?
I don`t think you are rich by any means to be honest with you. I think you are most likely average to below average income earner who tries to act like a big shot. Tread Lightly is all I am going to say. :D
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I pay 220 dollars a month on student loans. I don't regret the decision to go to college as it was the 90's and there were few options available. However, nowadays there are online colleges like Stonebridge Associated Colleges and Ashworth College where I got my diploma in Fitness as well as Health Care Management for a much lower price.
People need to explore their options....ultimately if you insist on going to an actual college and get a 4 year degree then I would spend as much time in a community college as possible to keep your fees down. For people who are going to start their own businesses then I'd advise against it and simply take the courses you need to succed
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When I am selecting a candidate for a key job I have a 1600 rule.
I do not interview anyone who did not go to a university founded after 1600.
This narrows it down to :
University of St Andrews – founded 1413
University of Glasgow – founded 1451
University of Aberdeen – founded 1495
University of Edinburgh – founded 1583
All subsequent universities are nothing more than technical colleges in my opinion.
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The people I know well enough to give an opinion on that didn't go to college are very uninteresting. They all seem to not give a shit about anything. Ask them about politics, or current events, or the latest at getbig and they just don't care. They also seem to be in bad relationships and don't get along with people.
I mean in college you get stuck with at least 1 roommate and you have to learn how to get along with them. I lived with 4 other guys, so I'm sure that helped me learn how to deal with people. Had I not attended college who knows if I would get along with people like I do.
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I pay 220 dollars a month on student loans. I don't regret the decision to go to college as it was the 90's and there were few options available. However, nowadays there are online colleges like Stonebridge Associated Colleges and Ashworth College where I got my diploma in Fitness as well as Health Care Management for a much lower price.
People need to explore their options....ultimately if you insist on going to an actual college and get a 4 year degree then I would spend as much time in a community college as possible to keep your fees down. For people who are going to start their own businesses then I'd advise against it and simply take the courses you need to succed
arent you unemployed?
Back on topic, who "choose" his/her career ? like 0.000001% of mankind? Most train in/ adapt to what is available to them?
Also there are more and more people, both skilled and unskilled, and less and less jobs, who can seriously believe it's going to end well?
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I know succesful people both with & without degrees.
My assumption is always that I am the odd one out & that people at that level generally have them. I worked for a guy for 12 years before he mentioned he never had one.
In think it's a stretch to say you can tell them apart from degree holders, even when working with them.
These claims that degree holders are better/worse are likely no more than a little confirmation bias on the part of people wanting to validate their own choices in life.
My own reasons for not taking a degree at 18 were financial. I intended to work a couple of years and then go back. Having money, a car & women then made it seem less important.
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arent you unemployed?
Back on topic, who "choose" his/her career ? like 0.000001% of mankind? Most train in/ adapt to what is available to them?
Also there are more and more people, both skilled and unskilled, and less and less jobs, who can seriously believe it's going to end well?
Shut the fuck up you piece of garbage.
Back on topic, you Getbigggers who are just getting out of high school have a lot more options available so explore them to make the best decision....but don't think you can get through life without additional training and education. Bill Gates may have been a dropout but he was a genius...so was Zuckerberg and Jobs.
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I pay 220 dollars a month on student loans. I don't regret the decision to go to college as it was the 90's and there were few options available. However, nowadays there are online colleges like Stonebridge Associated Colleges and Ashworth College where I got my diploma in Fitness as well as Health Care Management for a much lower price.
People need to explore their options....ultimately if you insist on going to an actual college and get a 4 year degree then I would spend as much time in a community college as possible to keep your fees down. For people who are going to start their own businesses then I'd advise against it and simply take the courses you need to succed
I agree these are good options for some people. However, some employers look at where you went to school and where you got your degree. If you want to work for one of these companies, having a degree from a prestigious college is important. If one wanted to be a school administrator, for example, having a Masters or PHD from Stanford or one of the top Eastern universities would definitely open some doors for you. Of course once you get the position, you still have to prove yourself.
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I agree these are good options for some people. However, some employers look at where you went to school and where you got your degree. If you want to work for one of these companies, having a degree from a prestigious college is important. If one wanted to be a school administrator, for example, having a Masters or PHD from Stanford or one of the top Eastern universities would definitely open some doors for you. Of course once you get the position, you still have to prove yourself.
True...depends on your long term goals. If you wish to be a teacher, then there's no way around not getting a degree. People need to think about their long term goals to decide
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True...depends on your long term goals. If you wish to be a teacher, then there's no way around not getting a degree. People need to think about their long term goals to decide
Another thing, one doesn't have to go immediately to college following high school graduation. It might be sometimes more difficult and complicated to work on a higher education later on, but it isn't impossible. My son who graduated high school second in his class, attended one year of college and decided he wanted to do something different. He joined the military and proceeded to have a 22 year very successful career. He also went back to school and got his degree on the military's dollar. He says he has no regrets.
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I don`t think you are rich by any means to be honest with you. I think you are most likely average to below average income earner who tries to act like a big shot. Tread Lightly is all I am going to say. :D
Is that some sort of threat?
I don't care what you think. It's obvious that you don't know much about the things you jumped on me about (that I do happen to know a great deal about) when you first made all those ignorant assuptions about me and my posts. How does it feel to have it turned around on you?
You started it, kid.
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Is that some sort of threat?
I don't care what you think. It's obvious that you don't know much about the things you jumped on me about (that I do happen to know a great deal about) when you first made all those ignorant assuptions about me and my posts. How does it feel to have it turned around on you?
You started it, kid.
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I take "tread lightly" as some sort of veiled threat.
Not accusing you or anyone else, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone on here or who has been on here was the clown who filed a completely phony complaint to the SEC about me a couple of days ago. It came from a state I don't live anywhere near and have no clients living in or anywhere near, and was not legit and not from anyone I've ever advised.
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Nursing #1
Then I'm covered either way. My wife has a degree in nursing and mine is in engineering.
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Funny these people that say 'Well Michael Dell/Gates/Whoever don't have degrees and look at them today'
Yes dickhead, because the average person are directly comparable to Bill Gates. Who by the way, had a technical SKILL that billions of people don't have. But I understand why people need to justify their lack of education in such a way.
Unless you start your own business, you'll be at the bottom of the food chain your whole life.
Not quite. You do need some post-secondary education. But that doesn't necessary mean college. Trade schools and tech schools (in certain fields) can get you in the door to make some good money.
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I take "tread lightly" as some sort of veiled threat.
Not accusing you or anyone else, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone on here or who has been on here was the clown who filed a completely phony complaint to the SEC about me a couple of days ago. It came from a state I don't live anywhere near and have no clients living in or anywhere near, and was not legit and not from anyone I've ever advised.
Purely coincidence ::)
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I agree these are good options for some people. However, some employers look at where you went to school and where you got your degree. If you want to work for one of these companies, having a degree from a prestigious college is important. If one wanted to be a school administrator, for example, having a Masters or PHD from Stanford or one of the top Eastern universities would definitely open some doors for you. Of course once you get the position, you still have to prove yourself.
I think it's more like that in the US and UK.
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I don`t think you are rich by any means to be honest with you. I think you are most likely average to below average income earner who tries to act like a big shot. Tread Lightly is all I am going to say. :D
I have no money in my bank account, Adam. I am a pauper because you yet owe me money (thousands for coaching services rendered).
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True...depends on your long term goals. If you wish to be a teacher, then there's no way around not getting a degree. People need to think about their long term goals to decide
Im with you Vince. Please don't go spending dads money on a $200k law degree unless you have a clear goal regarding the future.
I had one friend who literally went to college until he was 32. He has 2 Masters' and a law degree (never took the bar) and works in the public sector doing low-paid studies and such. I think his loans are approx $1,200 a month!
That being said, its MUCH easier to get a job in finance, for example, if you attended a top 100 university. It also helps if you're not retarded but that diploma alone goes a long way.
Hey, i got my real estate license years after my college degree and real estate has made me much more money...40 hr course and a test back in '03