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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disgusted on October 10, 2014, 12:41:19 PM
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Well after looking at numerous photos of this kid in many different poses, my opinion of him as far as being natural is, I do 100% believe that his physique can be achieved naturally.
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someone needs to contact ron and tell him disgusted's account has been hacked by doug miller.
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someone needs to contact ron and tell him disgusted's account has been hacked by doug miller.
LMFAO!!!! ;D
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:D im actaully lol'ing.
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I'm being serious though. Throw some pics up of him and you'll see.
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I'm being serious though. Throw some pics up of him and you'll see.
Looks natural to me
(http://www.naturalmusclenetwork.com/IFPA/IFPAGallery/IFPAGallery/images/Doug-Miller.jpg)
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Go to his website and throw up some mandatory shots of him. His conditioning has zero to do with drugs. He's not really that big. He has a helluva set of shoulders and arms on him but so does my wife when she's lean. The rest of him is kinda mediocre.
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As GH 15 would say, filth! He is about as natural as green hair. There is more to steroids than just massive size. You simply cannot obtain the super hard grainy full look with true sub 5% and water depleting naturally.
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As GH 15 would say, filth! He is about as natural as green hair. There is more to steroids than just massive size. You simply cannot obtain the super hard grainy full look with true sub 5% and water depleting naturally.
Sorry bro you are wrong. Sub 5% has nothing to do with drugs and no one holds water if they are at 5% as long as they are hydrated and not flat from diuretics.
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Go to his website and throw up some mandatory shots of him. His conditioning has zero to do with drugs. He's not really that big. He has a helluva set of shoulders and arms on him but so does my wife when she's lean. The rest of him is kinda mediocre.
Pics?
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Pics?
;D
I'd post a pic but a shit storm would start.
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I'd post a pic but a shit storm would start.
after the last post I fear you may be right ;D
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Fuck it
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Bigger arms than Kamali
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As natural as Vince Goodrum is straight.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552714.0;attach=583156;image)
Oh no, Disgusted is really Rob Bailey. ;D
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He looks like someone who just cycles in smaller doses. I've seen some crazy pics where he looks like he has way too much size, but then contest shots and dieted shots he looks a bit smaller.
If I weren't so lazy I'd find the crazy shots, but they're out there. Either way, he looks fantastic and doesn't show up on stage in the third trimester with a distended gut. I don't give a shit about drug use, but I think it's nice when guys don't go overboard.
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Fuck it
DLB?
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DLB?
Wife
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Well, Disgusted's awesome wife shut this thread down, LOL.
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Wife
Holy shit....clean/natural? phenomenal conditioning either way
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Holy shit....clean/natural? phenomenal conditioning either way
Natty 3 weeks out. Think about 123. 112 on stage.
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Natty 3 weeks out. Think about 123. 112 on stage.
You are claiming that's a woman's arm and natty? Complete bullshit
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Looks natural to me
(http://www.naturalmusclenetwork.com/IFPA/IFPAGallery/IFPAGallery/images/Doug-Miller.jpg)
WHAT about that doesn't look natural?? My god it's obvious that many of you have never dieted and been in shape
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You are claiming that's a woman's arm and natty? Complete bullshit
That's my wife and yes natty.
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That's my wife and yes natty.
Nothing natural here... certainly not feminine. Abnormal.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552714.0;attach=583156;image)
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As usual there are a lot of people on here who can't accept the fact they are unable for what ever reason to harness enough discipline to diet down to a low enough degree of body fat and actually look like a body builder. Yep it has to be drugs when you can actually see a muscle. ::)
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Nothing natural here... certainly not feminine. Abnormal.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552714.0;attach=583156;image)
have some respect.
that's the mans wife.
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have some respect.
that's the mans wife.
Thanks man, I hesitated to post. Like I said this pic was I think around two weeks out from the Nationals. She competes as a light weight but was too tall for that class and due to the fact she was natural she didn't have the size to be able to compete with the size of the other girls so she relied on her shape and conditioning. She got 2nd in 92 and then the next year came in shredded and they gave her 6th. That was when she called it quits. She quit competing at age 21. Won everything she entered till those last two shows.
This is why I do believe Doug is natty. I have seen that type of conditioning before with out one drug being used and I mean nothing. Doug is not a very big guy. He's got freaky arms which are genetic and shoulders. The rest of him is not all that big. As ripped as he is from the back his frontal thighs are not that cut as one would expect the to be.
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Dude u are really board tonight. Trolling these guys. I know u know better.
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Someone decides to diet his ass off and the first question is dude what type of "cutting agents" did you use, DNP thyroid, growth, clen etc. Funny if that's all there was to it then why doesn't everyone look like that and before anyone says genetics if that's the case lets see someone get down to at least 5% legit and post some pics. I'll bet you are pretty damen ripped and look similar.
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That's my wife and yes natty.
Nope.
Takes a ridiculous amount of drugs to make a female look like that.
And you are gay to fuck that thing.
Get some help.
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This guy can deadlift more than most Stongman and Pro BB. So being that lean, small and strong is very rare.
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Someone decides to diet his ass off and the first question is dude what type of "cutting agents" did you use, DNP thyroid, growth, clen etc. Funny if that's all there was to it then why doesn't everyone look like that and before anyone says genetics if that's the case lets see someone get down to at least 5% legit and post some pics. I'll bet you are pretty damen ripped and look similar.
Because a sane human being would not do these things.
You need to see the cuckoo doctor.
I'm not shitting on you brother, your brain is fucked.
Take a break.
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc438/DELTUFFOIL/Cheers-steve-mcqueen-26671803-492-612_zps1ee57d94.png) (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/DELTUFFOIL/media/Cheers-steve-mcqueen-26671803-492-612_zps1ee57d94.png.html)
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As natural as my mom's tits. Are you serious...you think this guy is natural?
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:D
(http://i61.tinypic.com/b82x08.jpg)
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I think his physique is attainable with out drugs. Again because he is so shredded he is giving the illusion he is much bigger. If this guy would show pics if himself with just 3 percent more body fat on him he would not even look like he could win a local show. The guys on here who scream drugs have never been close to 6% simply because they don't have the discipline. Well my advice is either stop your fucking crying about it and diet hard for 20 weeks or take up another hobby like chess.
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:D
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Clearly trolling.
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:D
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This guy obviously take his diet seriously. Looks like he doesn't get fat at all in the off season. His 16 week out pics look like most guys 4.
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:D
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:D
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Hey Adam so you happen to know what this guys diet and or sup program looks like? Also I'm not at all familiar with the org he competes in. What type of stuff do they test for?
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Hey Adam so you happen to know what this guys diet and or sup program looks like? Also I'm not at all familiar with the org he competes in. What type of stuff do they test for?
OCB.
Chet Yorton is the founder. He is one of the only men to have beaten Arnold Schwarzenegger in bodybuilding. And guess what, he still claims natural to this day. :D
At an old age he still looks good.
Love the shirt. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
(http://michaelrolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/chet-yorton.jpg)
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Hey Adam so you happen to know what this guys diet and or sup program looks like? Also I'm not at all familiar with the org he competes in. What type of stuff do they test for?
Doug used to post here on Getbig alot. You could maybe PM him.
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OCB.
Chet Yorton is the founder. He is one of the only men to have beaten Arnold Schwarzenegger in bodybuilding. And guess what, he still claims natural to this day. :D
At an old age he still looks good.
Love the shirt. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
(http://michaelrolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/chet-yorton.jpg)
I notice that most of these guys have small torsos with genetically full muscle bellies in the arm dept.
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I notice that most of these guys have small torsos with genetically full muscle bellies in the arm dept.
Personally, I think Chet Yorton is and has always been full of shit. He was competing against Arnold and company and winning shows, but "drug-free". LLOLOLOL
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Doug and Disgusted's wife both have myostatin deficiency, it's the only explanation
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Fuck it
Tell your wife I want those pants, and so does Stryper, and then throw in a "girrrrl, I see you!" in your best black lady impression voice, because that's what I actually said when I spied that little snippet of her awesome pants.
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff410/buzznut1/Steeler%20Nation/Stryper.jpg)
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Tell your wife I want those pants, and so does Stryper, and then throw in a "girrrrl, I see you!" in your best black lady impression voice, because that's what I actually said when I spied that little snippet of her awesome pants.
Good observation
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. Again because he is so shredded he is giving the illusion he is much bigger.
5'9'' 190 lbs shredded , bigger and leaner than Frank Zane .
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5'9'' 190 lbs shredded , bigger and leaner than Frank Zane .
He doesn't come close to Zane. Post one to one pics if you think he does.
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He doesn't come close to Zane. Post one to one pics if you think he does.
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Much bigger legs and arms. Find me a picture of Zane with bigger legs and arms than this
(http://goldenmuscles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_2198_tu-training1.jpg)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/updates-2.10/IMG_2204_2679x4019--%28training%29.jpg)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/updates-2.10/IMG_2140_2679x4019--%28training%29.jpg)
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I will say he has had good genetics for it though.
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/articles/4824d1341236990-interview-bodybuilder-doug-miller-doug-miller-beforwe-after.jpg)
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Would be hard to find pics of Frank like that in a gym. I'll def find some one on one mandatories.
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He doesn't come close to Zane. Post one to one pics if you think he does.
(http://static1.sfd.pl/1/images2005/20050714100618.jpg)(http://www.exercisebiology.com/images/uploads/miscellaneous/Doug_Miller.jpg)
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Dwarfing Ronnie Coleman last year
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This guy obviously take his diet seriously. Looks like he doesn't get fat at all in the off season. His 16 week out pics look like most guys 4.
Knowing Doug personally... I can attest to that! I've never seen anyone more ABSURDLY anal about their off season diet as he is.... Seriously it's so weird hanging out with him considering I'm the complete opposite. Nice to see his company taking off, him and his wife are good people.
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, him and his wife are scam artists
I agree
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:D Keep in mind Doug is flexing and Frank is standing more relaxed plus the photo quality is not the same. I can keep going but if anyone of you think this kid blows Frank away you need to change your name to Stevie Wonder.
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:D Yep here's another photo of Doug owning Frank. :D
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I'm betting Frank is drooling over this one. :o
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While were at it let's just compare Doug to Samir too. Franks holding his own I'm sure Doug who is shorter more ripped and weighs more could easily blow Samir away. Look I give this kid a ton of credit and I'm not making fun of him, but to anyone on here that thinks he's in the same league as Frank come on. ::)
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Much bigger legs and arms. Find me a picture of Zane with bigger legs and arms than this
(http://goldenmuscles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_2198_tu-training1.jpg)
Oh and by the way next time try posting the original pic, you know the one that's not photo shopped from hell and back. If you blow it up you can see where all the lines are drawn. In fact his whole entire lower body has been drawn in with fake cuts and shadowing. Notice the lighting is casting a shadow directly behind him. ::)
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not natural. Just my opinion. Looses a bit of thickness for the stage probably letting the gear leave his system.
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Reminds me of Andy merryfeild from the UK, amazing shredded condition on stage, tiny walking around off it..
When you see some of the mandatorys he doesn't look as impressive, im on the fence
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u can call him natty as long as he keeps taking no more than 1g of anabolics weekly if he takes more than 1g anabolics weekly he is not natural...
this is what disgusted wants to tell us...
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Reminds me of Andy merryfeild from the UK, amazing shredded condition on stage, tiny walking around off it..
When you see some of the mandatorys he doesn't look as impressive, im on the fence
He is far from tiny year round.
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of course he is natural you guys just have shit genetics ::)
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Heath, Kai, Vic, Ronnie, dillett, levrone, wheeler all doing it wrong..... Should have consulted with Doug, a white drug free bber
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Definitely natty. Probably doesn't even overdo the creatine to avoid bloating. I seen naturals build these physiques on hard work, swordfish burgers, and by training their torsos with the Hedgewood system between 2pm and 4.03pm.
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joon should pay him 1 million to get on juice and be 100x mr.olympia
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Just imagine if he jumped on the Radu stack of 1600mgs/wk....guy would be a monster.
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Just imagine if he jumped on the Radu stack of 1600mgs/wk....guy would be a monster.
What was the epilog to the Radu story? He got selected for a "random" drug test after his 6th place finish. Did he pass?
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conversation between me and Duck Miller:
me:hey duck whats your arm size?
duck:I dont know, never measured. dont care about measurements.. only go for the look in the mirror.
me:I see they look pretty big just wondered if naturals can have arms bigger than 18 inches.
duck: of course mine are over 18 inches!!
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Size, could be natty.
Conditioning, suspect.
Strength to weight ratio, juiced.
Props to Disgusted for a top notch troll job. ;)
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That guy is no where near natural. He is holding his own in those Zane comparison pics easily. Zane's are mostly black and white pics as well.
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. He is holding his own in those Zane comparison pics easily.
He's not , he looks like shit compared to Zane but he's bigger and leaner than Zane.
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He's not , he looks like shit compared to Zane but he's bigger and leaner than Zane.
That's what I meant. Should have been more clear. His physique is not as "good" but the fact he is bigger and leaner means drugs.
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That's what I meant. Should have been more clear. His physique is not as "good" but the fact he is bigger and leaner means drugs.
I agree Mazrim
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not natural. Just my opinion. Looses a bit of thickness for the stage probably letting the gear leave his system.
This, obviously... Looks full and in charge offseason with all the gear still running, come contest time needs to clean his system losing a lot of size, fullness and thickness... Disgusted is trolling us... ;D
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OK let's get serious for the moment. First, the conditioning that this kid has is a total result of diet. This is a fact and not an opinion. I've been doing this for ever and I can easily tell when someone takes things very seriously.
I have gone back and looked closer at his site. The comp pics that I have posted of him were taken a few years ago. The size he has is def attainable naturally. This kid obliviously owns a sup company and I am not familiar with what he takes in more recent years. Even though he is much thicker now he still is not all roided up. He could be taking some kind of "legal" alterative or something to that effect. He obviously believes in using supps or he wouldn't be endorsing them. Some people believe that natural should also mean no supps of any kind, I don't care one way or another.
Another misconception is that if a guy looks great natural then he "could win the Olympia" ::) if he started using. Ah nothing could be further from the truth. Doug had great arms, but other than that he is a genetic average person. Some if you have been comparing him to Frank Zane. I've posted pics of both and tried to show you the difference in the two, not even close even though the pics really aren't all that great of Frank being that they are 40 years old and taken from quite a distance. Frank was never a mass monster and I don't believe he was a huge roid user, but he was very meticulous at everything he did and each body part was developed equally. Doug has better biceps and striated glutes and that IS ALL!! He would get completely destroyed at a higher level regional show. This is not a put down just what it is. He would need a ton more size and drugs to compare.
When looking at someone who is natty they do have a certain look and it's sometimes hard to tell from the layman's perspective. Someone of these guys get extremely ripped, but no matter how lean they are they still have a for lack a of better words a flat stringy appearance. It is ever so slight and it's sometimes not apparent until you see all of their mandatories and a video of them. With Doug he tends to post only certain pics of himself where he looks his best. The best poses to pic of yourself if you a shredded natty are usually the ones that make you look thicker like side tri, hands on hips MM, side chest. Once you raise your arms it's usually apparent one is a natural. They lose a lot of thickness especially in the lat area. Same with the front lat and ab poses. They just don't have that 3D look to them like a drug user.
I've never come on here and BS anyone. If someone claims natty because of their job then I'm 100% OK with that. If someone who is all roided up claims natty and tried to tell the world you can be as big as me then you are fucking liar and a piece of shit for lying to kids and letting them spin their wheels. This happened to me so it's def a pet peeve of mine. One thing that does hold true, there is a certain weight limit when you are natty. It's the same with a woman. The pics I posted of my wife, she was around 123? but on stage she was 112 in the light weights at a height of a middle weight were she would have been out weighed by 20 pounds.
One last thing, most of the pics you see today are badly shopped. A good example is the one that Adam posted of Doug with his arms resting on a bar. The other kid who claims natty Simeon? his pics are also badly shopped. Sadly you do not know if you are looking at what a person has achieved anymore or a result of extreme lighting and photo shop skills.
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Size, could be natty.
Conditioning, suspect.
Strength to weight ratio, juiced.
Props to Disgusted for a top notch troll job. ;)
Conditioning has zero to do with drugs.
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Conditioning has zero to do with drugs.
We finally agree on something. ;D Now McDonalds on the other hand. ;)
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What was the epilog to the Radu story? He got selected for a "random" drug test after his 6th place finish. Did he pass?
drugs?
meth maybe. that would explain a lot.
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One more thing. Everyone wants to know how to get ripped? People come to me pretty fat and want to get shredded for their first show. Well guess what, most of the time it's not gonna happen. Don't expect to be ripped in 16 weeks when you have been a walking fat ass for most of your life!!! If you have any seriously expectations of looking good at a show then start fucking getting serious about you diet in the offseason. Almost everyone I tell this to gets fat again. Stay around 9% and diet slowly into a show. Stop asking me about what fat burners to use!!! The best fat burner is to not fucking over eat!!! I don't care if you are hungry or want to eat your fav pizza or drink beer who gives a shit. You either want to win shows or look good for what ever reason or not. It's a personal choice but you can't have it both ways. Doug's diet is nothing special. The main reason he looks like he does is he takes his diet very serious all year round and never gets fat.
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Pictures don't do some people justice. We've all seen pictures of people who look like shit but in person it's quite a different story...
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swordfish burgers
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One more thing. Everyone wants to know how to get ripped? People come to me pretty fat and want to get shredded for their first show. Well guess what, most of the time it's not gonna happen. Don't expect to be ripped in 16 weeks when you have been a walking fat ass for most of your life!!! If you have any seriously expectations of looking good at a show then start fucking getting serious about you diet in the offseason. Almost everyone I tell this to gets fat again. Stay around 9% and diet slowly into a show. Stop asking me about what fat burners to use!!! The best fat burner is to not fucking over eat!!! I don't care if you are hungry or want to eat your fav pizza or drink beer who gives a shit. You either want to win shows or look good for what ever reason or not. It's a personal choice but you can't have it both ways. Doug's diet is nothing special. The main reason he looks like he does is he takes his diet very serious all year round and never gets fat.
ya man the baby fat is hardest to get off.
i never got all mine off my first show. then i got a bit more off the second and so on.
once you get to a certain low bf level you can always return there much more quickly than it took the first time around. then its a grind to get off the fat that you havent been able to cut into yet.
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Pictures don't do some people justice. We've all seen pictures of people who look like shit but in person it's quite a different story...
True and sometimes the opposite holds true too. I remember talking to Garry Bartlett once and he was talking about when he was taking photos of the Olympia back when Zane won. He said that pics did not do this guy justice. He said every little move frank made his muscles just danced with striations even the muscles in his jaw. He said you could not see this in the pics and no one else had this look to them.
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ya man the baby fat is hardest to get off.
i never got all mine off my first show. then i got a bit more off the second and so on.
once you get to a certain low bf level you can always return there much more quickly than it took the first time around. then its a grind to get off the fat that you havent been able to cut into yet.
It's almost like you have to live in your skin like that for a while.
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One more thing. Everyone wants to know how to get ripped? People come to me pretty fat and want to get shredded for their first show. Well guess what, most of the time it's not gonna happen. Don't expect to be ripped in 16 weeks when you have been a walking fat ass for most of your life!!! If you have any seriously expectations of looking good at a show then start fucking getting serious about you diet in the offseason. Almost everyone I tell this to gets fat again. Stay around 9% and diet slowly into a show. Stop asking me about what fat burners to use!!! The best fat burner is to not fucking over eat!!! I don't care if you are hungry or want to eat your fav pizza or drink beer who gives a shit. You either want to win shows or look good for what ever reason or not. It's a personal choice but you can't have it both ways. Doug's diet is nothing special. The main reason he looks like he does is he takes his diet very serious all year round and never gets fat.
This, guys who crash diet from 15% to get onstage either dont get it all off or come in smooth holding water.
You need to sit around 8-10% max for a year and get your waist and skin tight.
a 200lb onstage bodybuilder shouldnt be walking around at 240lb, it should be 220 max
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Clearly better than Zane there.
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5'9'' 190 lbs shredded , bigger and leaner than Frank Zane .
Zane didn't have the discipline to diet like Doug has. Tell em Disgusted.
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Clearly better than Zane there.
I agree , take the Sandow from Zane and give it to this natural kid.
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if you believe Doug is a natty then you also have to believe Skip La Cour and Jeff Willet are natural as they all look similar.
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He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.
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OK let's get serious for the moment. First, the conditioning that this kid has is a total result of diet. This is a fact and not an opinion. I've been doing this for ever and I can easily tell when someone takes things very seriously.
I have gone back and looked closer at his site. The comp pics that I have posted of him were taken a few years ago. The size he has is def attainable naturally. This kid obliviously owns a sup company and I am not familiar with what he takes in more recent years. Even though he is much thicker now he still is not all roided up. He could be taking some kind of "legal" alterative or something to that effect. He obviously believes in using supps or he wouldn't be endorsing them. Some people believe that natural should also mean no supps of any kind, I don't care one way or another.
Another misconception is that if a guy looks great natural then he "could win the Olympia" ::) if he started using. Ah nothing could be further from the truth. Doug had great arms, but other than that he is a genetic average person. Some if you have been comparing him to Frank Zane. I've posted pics of both and tried to show you the difference in the two, not even close even though the pics really aren't all that great of Frank being that they are 40 years old and taken from quite a distance. Frank was never a mass monster and I don't believe he was a huge roid user, but he was very meticulous at everything he did and each body part was developed equally. Doug has better biceps and striated glutes and that IS ALL!! He would get completely destroyed at a higher level regional show. This is not a put down just what it is. He would need a ton more size and drugs to compare.
When looking at someone who is natty they do have a certain look and it's sometimes hard to tell from the layman's perspective. Someone of these guys get extremely ripped, but no matter how lean they are they still have a for lack a of better words a flat stringy appearance. It is ever so slight and it's sometimes not apparent until you see all of their mandatories and a video of them. With Doug he tends to post only certain pics of himself where he looks his best. The best poses to pic of yourself if you a shredded natty are usually the ones that make you look thicker like side tri, hands on hips MM, side chest. Once you raise your arms it's usually apparent one is a natural. They lose a lot of thickness especially in the lat area. Same with the front lat and ab poses. They just don't have that 3D look to them like a drug user.
I've never come on here and BS anyone. If someone claims natty because of their job then I'm 100% OK with that. If someone who is all roided up claims natty and tried to tell the world you can be as big as me then you are fucking liar and a piece of shit for lying to kids and letting them spin their wheels. This happened to me so it's def a pet peeve of mine. One thing that does hold true, there is a certain weight limit when you are natty. It's the same with a woman. The pics I posted of my wife, she was around 123? but on stage she was 112 in the light weights at a height of a middle weight were she would have been out weighed by 20 pounds.
One last thing, most of the pics you see today are badly shopped. A good example is the one that Adam posted of Doug with his arms resting on a bar. The other kid who claims natty Simeon? his pics are also badly shopped. Sadly you do not know if you are looking at what a person has achieved anymore or a result of extreme lighting and photo shop skills.
If you are trolling you sucked me in. I think this is a very good post.
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if you believe Doug is a natty then you also have to believe Skip La Cour and Jeff Willet are natural as they all look similar.
(http://www.hellestrebl.co.uk/images/slides/1.jpg)
Dont forget Helmut as well.
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I saw Jeff Willet at the Mr Olympia expo, he was 170lbs, and look like a guy who might work out a lil bit here and there.He looked very small.I wonder why?lol
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(http://www.hellestrebl.co.uk/images/slides/1.jpg)
Dont forget Helmut as well.
A good natural physique, easy to maintain without a ton of drugs
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OK , let's set the record straight
(http://www.jeffwillet.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Side_Chest_7-1.jpg)
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OK , let's set the record straight
(http://www.jeffwillet.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Side_Chest_7-1.jpg)
The face says it all.
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Clearly better than Zane there.
Yes clearly better. ::) Zane even in this bad photo is clearly striated to Hell and back other than his glutes Doug has zero striations in his thighs or calves.
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Can someone post up a photo of what they feel is the best ever truly natural physique please?
I know some very well developed non bodybuilding weight trainers who could look impressive at the right angles. This Doug Miller is a mess of body parts which makes me wonder if I can ignore the freaky back double biceps.
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Zane didn't have the discipline to diet like Doug has. Tell em Disgusted.
LOL Zane was shredded. Unfortunately it's very tough to fins any good photos of him onstage that show it. Doug is nowhere near the size of Zane other than biceps.
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(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/3f/3fbb391807614147b0d67a1d0a98b412c01305fdaea0962f742441d688597134.jpg)
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OK , let's set the record straight
(http://www.jeffwillet.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Side_Chest_7-1.jpg)
Agreed on this one.
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I will say he has had good genetics for it though.
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/articles/4824d1341236990-interview-bodybuilder-doug-miller-doug-miller-beforwe-after.jpg)
Crazy shoulders explained.
Similar to levrone as a kid.
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Yes clearly better. ::) Zane even in this bad photo is clearly striated to Hell and back other than his glutes Doug has zero striations in his thighs or calves.
Why did u pick such a bad pic of his back? That was when he was 17 :D
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the zane pics are also when he was older early 80's he was at his biggest but was less hard/shreeded as his mro titles..here some more to debate no comparison,,
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here the thickness disgusted mentioned about certain shots's,where muscle thickness is maintained with condition that natty's can't keep for the most part..now again i don't know if this zane pic has been tamperd with either..
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here the thickness disgusted mentioned about certain shots's,where muscle thickness is maintained with condition that natty's can't keep for the most part..now again i don't know if this zane pic has been tamperd with either..
???
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7010/6810069691_36c63a1f56_z.jpg)
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/amateurUSA/MillerDoug.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/25kj7ts.jpg)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/yorton_09/IMG_0040_2679x4019.jpg)
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(http://www.hellestrebl.co.uk/images/slides/1.jpg)
A good natural physique, easy to maintain without a ton of drugs
Yep good everyday look there, easily obtainable with consistent training and a healthy diet.
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Yep good everyday look there, easily obtainable with consistent training and a healthy diet.
Thing is when he gets onstage and competes he loses condition.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-0bww9UGVx4/TCwMKgU3EzI/AAAAAAAAEuI/p88H9z847Mc/s1600/doug+miller9.jpg)
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Sure, dad.
I was being respectful.
That perverted monstrosity is disgusting, and completely unnatural - with shit muscle attachments to boot.
I could care less how many chemicals were or were not used to create that condition – its not natural.
If one feels the need to post up a picture of their 'tranny delight'... be prepared for feedback. This is a public forum, after all.
Now, fuck off, and worry about your own posts.
haha listen the Gloria the keyboard warrior.
calm down, sparky. jim would slap the yellow off your teeth w one hand while eating a kabob with the other.
you're a non factor here. learn your place and go sit in the corner until someone asks for advise on how to be a pansy.
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haha listen the Gloria the keyboard warrior.
calm down, sparky. jim would slap the yellow off your teeth w one hand while eating a kabob with the other.
you're a non factor here. learn your place and go sit in the corner until someone asks for advise on how to be a pansy.
Thanks bro he knows nothing of what he speaks. Here's a pic from 2004 when she won the nabba figure America this was 11 years after she retired. Trained 11 weeks for this after not training for over ten years.
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you're a non factor here.
And yet you expend the time to reply......
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And yet you expend the time to reply......
Say that to his face ****er and not online and see what happens. I train mma 6 times a week with specialty in Bolivian Swastika Stance, I would beat your ass like a chef beats an egg. Get caught in my rear Hungarian neckhold and you'll be more dazed and confused than a nun in a cucumber field. So unless you want to lose half of your teeth before your virginity then keep talking you hopped up guido greaseball.
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here the thickness disgusted mentioned about certain shots's,where muscle thickness is maintained with condition that natty's can't keep for the most part..now again i don't know if this zane pic has been tamperd with either..
Don't think this is altered at all. Zane actually got fairly large and still ripped later in his career.
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Why did u pick such a bad pic of his back? That was when he was 17 :D
I don't think he was 17 there here is another pic from the same show in 2009.
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He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.
Gotta disagree on the bolded part. I don't think he is grainy or overly hard in pics other than the photo shopped ones. As far as striations go that's diet. One of the best set of striated shoulders I have seen was the guy who put my roof on a few years ago. Never lifted a weight in his life other than rolls of tile and ate mainly beer. ;D
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Not natty! There is a huge difference between Jeff and Doug.
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;D
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Thanks bro he knows nothing of what he speaks. Here's a pic from 2004 when she won the nabba figure America this was 11 years after she retired. Trained 11 weeks for this after not training for over ten years.
great physique and a good looking lady. congrats sir.
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oh look it's BoZo and Ziltch two of the boards biggest pansies. you clowns should team up w colon4life, septicpuss and eulogy and start your own 'I've been victimized by the mighty no one' support group.
you can have little meetings and talk about how to diet down from 20 to 15%, what size bras to wear for your pickle tits and take pics of each other's 14" arms to put in your avatars.
pansies.
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all thats sayng here is he's suspect due to the factors in the pics presented,nothing proven cause we don't if does or not,or have proof.but he looks as good or if not better than a lot of guys on the jrusa/jrnational level who are using or using a lot...
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Don't think this is altered at all. Zane actually got fairly large and still ripped later in his career.
zane was close to 205 at his heaviest so yeah,,but theres a pic he was 40 or 41 and he looked big but his stomach was wide'for him'and age thickening of course,but he had a 'more chemicaled look'than his usual sleeker build,of course he used through out but it seemed like he was keeping up with the newer guys ..heres the pic...
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I knew Jeff Looked familiar
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zane was close to 205 at his heaviest so yeah,,but theres a pic he was 40 or 41 and he looked big but his stomach was wide'for him'and age thickening of course,but he had a 'more chemicaled look'than his usual sleeker build,of course he used through out but it seemed like he was keeping up with the newer guys ..heres the pic...
Excellent observation. Yes I think he was trying to keep up but it wasn't going to happen. I do think he was in very good shape for getting as big as he did.
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He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.
Spot on with this. BTW, what is the difference between him and Layne Norton, and Matt Ogus who most on here believe are using the good stuff, yet most are saying Miller is natural.
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He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.
100% correct.You can get extremely lean and shredded naturally but not in a combination with the size,thickness,fullness and roundness he has.
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Clearly better than Zane there.
Zane has prettier shape,better symmetry and proportions,but Doug is bigger,thicker and more shredded.
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Possible, but a tough pill to swallow.
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The face says it all.
EYES OF A PSYCHOPATH!!! WOULD NOT TRUST A WORD THIS FUCKER SAYS..
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As natural as my mom's tits. Are you serious...you think this guy is natural?
NEVER lifetime natural
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:D
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(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10171279_330409683807982_895564046458581370_n.jpg?oh=17b5994e483fc26ec411c921817df0ca&oe=54B33C03)
brutal receding hairline due to xs test
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brutal receding hairline due to xs test
props for being well conditioned,,stage shots will look different more washed out,,but these pics as all others are impressive,,
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They should hold Bodybuilding contests on an overcast day in natural light. I get the feeling that they have no clue what they are doing with lights. It just ruins all physiques. Overcast and natural light outside, you get a full representation of someones physique and they can`t hide anything either. Stage lights are stupid.
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They should hold Bodybuilding contests on an overcast day in natural light. I get the feeling that they have no clue what they are doing with lights. It just ruins all physiques. Overcast and natural light outside, you get a full representation of someones physique and they can`t hide anything either. Stage lights are stupid.
true man...often you see a hotel shot and ur :o,,then stage pics are shot and your like ????wtf..
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Very impressive physique. Natural though ? I don't think so. And if he TRULY is, he's the biggest natty I've ever seen.
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This is probably the only legitimately natural guy who is also impressive I've ever seen, all jokes aside and silliness. People who know anything about "geared" physiques know that at this bodyfat percentage it's impossible to avoid that obvious look of hyperplasia you get in the muscle bellies. You can fairly easily distinguish between natural and enhanced physiques when you have a trained eye. Especially when you consider, the guys who compete are usually running the DHT derivatives, and you can actually "see" they're walking around with that gear pump from the superphisiological doses of test in their system. That's why the most experienced guys in the industry all agree that Doug's natural. Just takes a trained eye to see this shit.
Might be the person who turns the tide in what people finally begin to see is achievable with enough time put into the game and extreme attention to nutrition and training + consistency... but with all the false info out on the internet, and the fact that the most "serious" naturals always go online to find information on what they need to build the best possible physique, there's just too few years in the average human male's life to be able to sift through all the rubbish and do things correctly long enough to develop a physique like his... Not to talk of environmental factors that tend to take a shit on a person's focus. Women, "friends", even family sadly.
I think he should put in as much effort as he can into mentoring the younger kids somehow through the internet to get into the mindset of dismissing the use of PEDs... IMO. Someone has to turn the tide. A lifetime of dependency on drugs to acquire and maintain a look is retarded. No matter how many people choose to do it.
Kinda hate him though, for having been able to go through well over a decade of unrelenting dedication and discipline to stay natural AND develop his physique to this incredible peak with what would appear to be, fairly average to semi-decent genetics.
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This is probably the only legitimately natural guy who is also impressive I've ever seen, all jokes aside and silliness. People who know anything about "geared" physiques know that at this bodyfat percentage it's impossible to avoid that obvious look of hyperplasia you get in the muscle bellies. You can fairly easily distinguish between natural and enhanced physiques when you have a trained eye. Especially when you consider, the guys who compete are usually running the DHT derivatives, and you can actually "see" they're walking around with that gear pump from the superphisiological doses of test in their system. That's why the most experienced guys in the industry all agree that Doug's natural. Just takes a trained eye to see this shit.
Might be the person who turns the tide in what people finally begin to see is achievable with enough time put into the game and extreme attention to nutrition and training + consistency... but with all the false info out on the internet, there's just too few years in the average human male's life to do things correctly long enough to develop a physique like his...
I think he should put in as much effort as he can into mentoring the younger kids somehow through the internet to get into the mindset of dismissing the use of PEDs... IMO. Someone has to turn the tide. A lifetime of dependency on drugs to acquire and maintain a look is retarded. No matter how many people choose to do it.
Kinda hate him though, for having been able to go through well over a decade of unrelenting dedication and discipline to stay natural AND develop his physique to this incredible peak with what would appear to be, fairly average to semi-decent genetics.
Hi Doug
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Hi Doug
Edited my post in a few areas.. but anyone with half a brain cell will see I've made a valid point.
Jeff Willet is just one of those unfortunate kids who ended up taking gear because he obsessed over "supplements" in his time but wanted to stay "natty". Him and Skip La Cour were known to abuse Prohormones and admitted to use them a lot (1-AD and the like are just gear.. which is what they used to pop like D-Bols back then). They come back years later and justify it, whilst trying to seal their natural status by defining the term as "anything allowed by the federation"... stupid. Hormones sold legally to avoid loopholes that jeopardize your lifetime efforts are still hormones... sadly. Not everyone's going to make it in this world. Both are completely atrophied now... ::)
The more I think about bodybuilding naturally, the more I realize, this game isn't just about who can put in as much effort into their diet and training. It's also very much a mental battle outside the gym.
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Edited my post in a few areas.. but anyone with half a brain cell will see I've made a valid point.
Jeff Willet is just one of those unfortunate kids who ended up taking gear because he obsessed over "supplements" in his time but wanted to stay "natty". Him and Skip La Cour were known to abuse Prohormones and admitted to use them a lot (1-AD and the like are just gear.. which is what they used to pop like D-Bols back then). They come back years later and justify it, whilst trying to seal their natural status by defining the term as "anything allowed by the federation"... stupid. Hormones sold legally to avoid loopholes that jeopardize your lifetime efforts are still hormones... sadly. Not everyone's going to make it in this world. Both are completely atrophied now... ::)
The more I think about bodybuilding naturally, the more I realize, this game isn't just about who can put in as much effort into their diet and training. It's also very much a mental battle outside the gym.
yeah ,,i mean willet'natural'should maintain most of that look right'he was probably never seen/pic wise offseason then xwks out the transformation began so yeah seems natural ...
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Love how people think they know for sure if someone is natural or not. Not way to tell unless you are with the person 24/7, and I mean 24/7. They can't even go take a shit by themselves because they could be shooting up in the bathroom.
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This is probably the only legitimately natural guy who is also impressive I've ever seen, all jokes aside and silliness. People who know anything about "geared" physiques know that at this bodyfat percentage it's impossible to avoid that obvious look of hyperplasia you get in the muscle bellies. You can fairly easily distinguish between natural and enhanced physiques when you have a trained eye. sadly.
::) Oh brother
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Hi Doug
X a billion.
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20 inch arms are perfectly 'natural'.
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Anyone who thinks that this guy is natural is blind to reality.... extremely fucking stupid.
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20 inch arms are perfectly 'natural'.
Not even close to 20 inches.
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He's 35 years old, not a "kid." ???
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Not even close to 20 inches.
Arm measurement at 7:45
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This thread.... ::) ::)
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This thread.... ::) ::)
Was started by a moron.
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Was started by a moron.
You seriously have to be one of the dumbest motherfuckers thats ever posted on this site. Yep must be 20 1/4 inches because we all know tape measures don't lie. ::) So this kid who is a midget and weighs 190 has the arm measurement the same size as Schwarzenegger in his prime. Go soak your head in some Drano and try to remove some of the stupid from your brain cells.
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You seriously have to be one of the dumbest motherfuckers thats ever posted on this site. Yep must be 20 1/4 inches because we all know tape measures don't lie. ::) So this kid who is a midget and weighs 190 has the arm measurement the same size as Schwarzenegger in his prime. Go soak your head in some Drano and try to remove some of the stupid from your brain cells.
How was that tape measure wrong?
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You seriously have to be one of the dumbest motherfuckers thats ever posted on this site. Yep must be 20 1/4 inches because we all know tape measures don't lie. ::) So this kid who is a midget and weighs 190 has the arm measurement the same size as Schwarzenegger in his prime. Go soak your head in some Drano and try to remove some of the stupid from your brain cells.
So he'll lie about measurements but not drug use?
Interadasting.....
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So he'll lie about measurements but not drug use?
Interadasting.....
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First of all when 1AD AND 1 test was prohoromones the real natural guys werent using them.Neither where the guys in TU.These prohormones are decently strong but cant give you the full hard look that the guys some TU had.Trust me on this.They were using gear like this joker is.
He is a small boned man with over 20 inch arms.Wont happen natural, not today not tomorow, no day.If he was a cornfed big boned farm boy I might beleive it But his wrists look around 5.5.inches, so a 20" arm naturaly isnt possible.If he had 8.-10" wrists. am kind of buly it might be possible.
This guy is to big, to lean and to hard to be natural.He isnt using pro hormones, he is using gear.Steroids, not pro hormones.
TO be 100% honest with you most pro hormones are just DHEA with a fancy name attached to it.
I seen the lab results.They create a fancy name for there so called designer steroids.But just put 25-100mg of DHEA in the capsule.
So before you buy pro hormones look them up online.They have teated alot of them and they are just DHEA.So why not just go to Wal mart and buy DHEA,? lol/
Last but not least, this guy isnt fooling anybody .Anybody who has gear, knows what someone on gear looks like.This guy is on gear. end of story
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So he'll lie about measurements but not drug use?
Interadasting.....
Where did I say he wasn't lying about drug use? In the beginning of this thread I posted that the physique that he displayed in the pics that I posted could be achieved without drug use. Specifically (MUSCLE SIZE) his conditioning has zero to do with drug use. This kid could be the biggest liar on the planet which is beside the point of anything that I posted.
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First of all when 1AD AND 1 test was prohoromones the real natural guys werent using them.Neither where the guys in TU.These prohormones are decently strong but cant give you the full hard look that the guys some TU had.Trust me on this.They were using gear like this joker is.
He is a small boned man with over 20 inch arms.Wont happen natural, not today not tomorow, no day.If he was a cornfed big boned farm boy I might beleive itBut his wrists look around 5.5.inches, so a 20" arm naturaly isnt possible.If he had 8.-10" wrists. am kind of buly it might be possible.
This guy is to big, to lean and to hard to be natural.He isnt using pro hormones, he isnt using gear.Steroids, not pro hormones.
TO be 100% honest with you most pro hormones are just DHEA with a fancy name attached to it.
I seen the lab results.They create a fancy name for there so called designer steroids.But just put 25-100mg of DHEA in the capsule.
So before you buy pro hormones look them up online.They have teated alot of them and they are just DHEA.So why not just go to Wal mart and buy DHEA,? lol/
Last but not least, this guy isnt fooling anybody .Anybody who has gear, knows what someone on gear looks like.This guy is on gear. end of story
He's not too lean to be clean since diet is what makes you lean. Secondly these so called test boosters on the market today are not DHEA. Dymethazine which is still on the market and legal is one of the most potent steroids ever developed. It blows away Drol and Dbol. There are tons more out there and they are most certainly NOT DHEA.
Lastly no one on the planet at his height has a shredded arm measurement of 20 inches. His tricep is rather small which makes up most of the arm measurement. It's ridiculous to think this kid had the same arm measurement as Sergio Oliva and much leaner to boot.
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20 inch arms are perfectly 'natural'.
Anyone who thinks that this guy is natural is blind to reality.... extremely fucking stupid.
To the untrained , laymans eye I can see why it might appear that Doug is running grams a week but if you were to spend years poring over photos of bethonged muscle hunks you would develop the ability to measure a mans DHT levels simply by assessing the color of his posing trunks.
Perhaps if you were to clock up some serious hours backstage at local contests rubbing protan and oil into the glistening torsos of the contestants you'd develop a similarly trained eye and be able to discern the difference in how DHT enhanced glutes look and feel vs natural ones .. but until then you are just coming off as a jealous hater.
Sure Doug may have popped a couple of pro hormones one time, early in his career but it obviously didn't build and maintain the mature mass he carries now, drug free
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Yep must be 20 1/4 inches because we all know tape measures don't lie.
Tape measures are pretty cut and dried – you wrap it around something.... and look at the numbers.
Most people grasp the concept easily.... and then there are people like you, who need a little help.
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Tape measures are pretty cut and dried – you wrap it around something.... and look at the numbers.
Most people grasp the concept easily.... and then there are people like you, who need a little help.
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I see someone's fresh out of Drano. ::)
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So both these guys have basically the same arm diameter. Most reports put Sergio at around 5'10" or so at contest weight of 225. Not sure of Doug's height but I think he's around 190 on stage and leaner than Sergio. So Doug is about 3 or more inches shorter and weighs 35 or more pounds less than Sergio with a bigger muscular arm. Damn I'm a believer.
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So both these guys have basically the same arm diameter. Most reports put Sergio at around 5'10" or so at contest weight of 225. Not sure of Doug's height but I think he's around 190 on stage and leaner than Sergio. So Doug is about 3 or more inches shorter and weighs 35 or more pounds less than Sergio with a bigger muscular arm. Damn I'm a believer.
Doug has way better legs than Sergio.
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Doug has way better legs than Sergio.
Guess so.
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I see someone's fresh out of Drano. ::)
dont pay him any mind. Ziltch is yet another in a long line pictureless sub 1000 post trolls who knows everything.
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dont pay him any mind. Ziltch is yet another in a long line pictureless sub 1000 post trolls who knows everything.
I know who he is been here on and off for years but yes he's a troll.
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I know who he is been here on and off for years but yes he's a troll.
does this dork have a pic i can mock and ridicule?
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First of all when 1AD AND 1 test was prohoromones the real natural guys werent using them.Neither where the guys in TU.These prohormones are decently strong but cant give you the full hard look that the guys some TU had.Trust me on this.They were using gear like this joker is.
He is a small boned man with over 20 inch arms.Wont happen natural, not today not tomorow, no day.If he was a cornfed big boned farm boy I might beleive it But his wrists look around 5.5.inches, so a 20" arm naturaly isnt possible.If he had 8.-10" wrists. am kind of buly it might be possible.
This guy is to big, to lean and to hard to be natural.He isnt using pro hormones, he is using gear.Steroids, not pro hormones.
TO be 100% honest with you most pro hormones are just DHEA with a fancy name attached to it.
I seen the lab results.They create a fancy name for there so called designer steroids.But just put 25-100mg of DHEA in the capsule.
So before you buy pro hormones look them up online.They have teated alot of them and they are just DHEA.So why not just go to Wal mart and buy DHEA,? lol/
Last but not least, this guy isnt fooling anybody .Anybody who has gear, knows what someone on gear looks like.This guy is on gear. end of story
Epistane is DHEA? Halodrol is DHEA? Tren? These are precursors or actual steroids in these "Pro Hormones" and 1-AD and M1T are fucking powerful, POWERFUL hormones.
Example of a 1-AD user, Kane Sumabat AKA Timberwolf:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/1233528_659677144044713_2070971311_n.jpg?oh=aa9a1cd28fcfe9b5142379c439c82da3&oe=54ABA55A&__gda__=1420660976_dd617641f44c3c06dcb25b57ae61e4ae)
Admitted to using it on Bodybuilding.com forums:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158046553
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3 or 4 cycles took him long enough to learn prohormones are bullshit and he should be cruising instead to maintain that dry, shredded look. Looks small and smooth as shit now compared to before, check his instagram:
http://instagram.com/timbahwolffff
(http://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfa1/10729214_660232424074361_667594002_n.jpg)
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(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10428438_340629439452673_6872788595777159516_n.jpg?oh=707d844bb9eb02a3f2b1a11ee4c9b147&oe=54EBCDAC)
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20 inch arms are perfectly 'natural'.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1kgmkzgWu1rs4ej4o1_500.jpg)
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10689511_331378897044394_7399834326132964349_n.jpg?oh=4f379603ae98abd9848327920e695681&oe=54B11D50)
Anyone who thinks that this guy is natural is blind to reality.... extremely fucking stupid.
great post
Miller's physique screams steroids so much , his natural status is a joke