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Title: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: calfzilla on October 10, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
For those alpha getbiggers, what is your philosophy when dealing with women? 

Do you approach every woman as if you could have her  ???
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: jude2 on October 10, 2014, 08:07:49 PM
My friends who are true Alpha don't approach women, they approach them. Now my height excludes me from being true alpha, so I approach them that way, because it shows confidence, and lack of fear. Hot women don't want to be with sissies.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: forillagorilla on October 10, 2014, 09:25:25 PM
Here's what...  If you come to internets to talk about being "alpha" - you are certainly not alpha. If you even give it a second thought then you aren't alpha..
If you ever say "he is a drugs" - whine about someone saying he is natural - you aren't alpha...
If your a jealous bitch - yup - ya ain't alpha.

Awkward site to state those things huh - lol.  There were a couple of tools from here over at another site - but there he stood out. Here they all blend in.
I am all for the freedom speech - and to be honest it does give a little comic relief. But I genuinely feel bad for a lot of the guys here - because they aren't just trying be funny - dead serious they are. If I ever behaved like this - I would hope my father or brother would do the honorable thing and first try to bring me back to reality with a punch in the jaw. Then if that didn't IMMEDIATLEY work hopefully they would put a compassionate bullet in my brain. No fucking way I would embarrass my family by feeling the way many here do and I love my brother and he is my best friend - but I wouldn't hesitate to save him from this too..
If you are "alpha" - you will understand exactly why it's better to push a daisy than live AS a daisy
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: calfzilla on October 10, 2014, 10:49:54 PM
I'm not Alpha and don't claim to be at all. I am just interested in the mindset. A true alpha must think that he could fuck any girl, that none are too good for him, and that if they don't want him there is something wrong with her. At least that is my theory, just wanted to hear from some getbig alphas, as you know we have many.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: flinstones1 on October 10, 2014, 11:07:31 PM
For those alpha getbiggers, what is your philosophy when dealing with women?  

Do you approach every woman as if you could have her  ???

It depends on your goals and what your definition of a true alpha male is.  A year ago I would of told you I was an alpha male because I banged hot chicks with ease. It wasn't until I just got out of a relationship recently that I realized how  much of a pussy I really was. Because being an alpha male isn't about banging hot chicks it's a state of mind (sorry for sterling this skorpio)  I say I wasn't an alpha male because I would monkey branch from girl to girl because I was afraid to be alone instead of taking time to be single and truly find myself. Part of being an alpha male  is being happy when your alone and not needing anyone in your life to fill that void. Not fair to the girl either cause you'll fall in love for selfish reasons.

 I  think every guy at some point should Try to get a serious relationship, even if you know it's going nowhere.. Getting a girl in bed with you is not the same for your ego as getting a woman to fall for you so this way you get the best of both worlds.  Plus a gf comes in handy when you need the ego boost /  validation at bars etc.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: FermiDirac on October 10, 2014, 11:10:05 PM

Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Shockwave on October 10, 2014, 11:13:29 PM
For those alpha getbiggers, what is your philosophy when dealing with women? 

Do you approach every woman as if you could have her  ???
I just do what i want, i make sure i make my own wants a priority in balance with hers (dont put aside your own life to please her) and im not afraid to tell her no or call her out on bullshit.

That and extremely rough sex seems to work for me.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Natural Beast on October 11, 2014, 02:22:40 AM
My friends who are true Alpha don't approach women, they approach them. Now my height excludes me from being true alpha, so I approach them that way, because it shows confidence, and lack of fear. Hot women don't want to be with sissies.

this.

if you are alpha they will approach you...
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: HonestBob on October 11, 2014, 02:35:09 AM
It depends on your goals and what your definition of a true alpha male is.  A year ago I would of told you I was an alpha male because I banged hot chicks with ease. It wasn't until I just got out of a relationship recently that I realized how  much of a pussy I really was. Because being an alpha male isn't about banging hot chicks it's a state of mind (sorry for sterling this skorpio)  I say I wasn't an alpha male because I would monkey branch from girl to girl because I was afraid to be alone instead of taking time to be single and truly find myself. Part of being an alpha male  is being happy when your alone and not needing anyone in your life to fill that void. Not fair to the girl either cause you'll fall in love for selfish reasons.

 I  think every guy at some point should Try to get a serious relationship, even if you know it's going nowhere.. Getting a girl in bed with you is not the same for your ego as getting a woman to fall for you so this way you get the best of both worlds.  Plus a gf comes in handy when you need the ego boost /  validation at bars etc.


Solid and mature post.

I used to have multiple affairs (when married) with anything that was hot.  Mental / married / looking for love / slag - I didn't care. I did it for myself but I also thought it was "cool" and would brag about it in certain groups because I'd grown up around that kind of behaviour in certain gym circles.

I was wrong.  With a bit more maturity I think it would have been more alpha to be a better man and keep my dick in my pants a lot more often.  Maybe not always, we are only human, but not in the mentally diseased and disrespectful way that I used to do it.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 11, 2014, 03:25:06 AM
I take my alpha-ness from the movie Swingers.  I feel that bitches are just like casinos. 

"The trick is to look like you don't need it, then they give you shit for free".

Don't approach them.  Make eye contact from across the room.  If they want the dick, you'll be able to tell.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: wolfrittner on October 11, 2014, 03:46:11 AM
True alpha doesn't worry about this. It just happens.
It comes naturally. You got it or you don't. If you question or mention your alpha you are already not.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Papper on October 11, 2014, 03:53:29 AM
Did all you know that humans don't necessarily have alphas in the same way as dogs for instance. Sure there are leaders and such but not one extreme a male. More intricate with us apes... a lot of apes have women that lead. And look at ants.


Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: bigmc on October 11, 2014, 03:54:35 AM
anyone who is consciously trying to be an alpha male isn't

its as natural as a trannies cock
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: _aj_ on October 11, 2014, 04:27:28 AM
True alphas don't respond to threads about "true alphas".

Oh, Goddamn it!
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: bigmc on October 11, 2014, 04:37:16 AM
True alphas don't respond to threads about "true alphas".

Oh, Goddamn it!

team shizzo dropping in on this thread  :-X
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: _aj_ on October 11, 2014, 04:44:24 AM
team shizzo dropping in on this thread  :-X

Oh, here we go, I guess...
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: bigmc on October 11, 2014, 04:49:18 AM
Oh, here we go, I guess...

im fucking with you

I have a shizzo amnesty in place

he is trying to get his shit together

we should all back him up
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: D.O.A. on October 11, 2014, 05:12:24 AM
True alphas don't respond to threads about "true alphas".

Oh, Goddamn it!
hahahaha!
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: wolfrittner on October 11, 2014, 05:14:22 AM
im fucking with you

I have a shizzo amnesty in place

he is trying to get his shit together

we should all back him up
Yes. I think we should. It would be the right thing to do.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Parker on October 11, 2014, 05:22:12 AM
When you approach, you approach very "alphaly". Which means, you spell "alpha" in your head..."A-L-P-H-A"
Keep spelling it and then write it numerous times on a piece of paper, and soon it becomes you, just like your name. This is how you learned your name, correct?

Or not do this at all.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 11, 2014, 05:45:32 AM
The first rule of being an Alpha is don't talk about being an alpha.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: kreator on October 11, 2014, 05:51:15 AM
alpha's are raised not born
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Nirvana on October 11, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
True alphas don't wipe after they poop.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 11, 2014, 06:18:16 AM
True Alphas care for the survival of the species.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Parker on October 11, 2014, 07:19:06 AM
(http://www.forthemommas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screen-shot-2011-01-15-at-12.41.42-PM.png)
(http://static.freehomeschooldeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/AlphaDoodlesABCButton450-350x350.png)
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Julio Ceasar on October 11, 2014, 07:24:21 AM
A true Alpha dosent have sex! Do u think soft females is something for the true Alpha? Females are for children! They are called mothers! Boys need a Mother!

A true alpha stand alone. Maybe a dog or wolf as a friend. No humans!
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: ENZO on October 11, 2014, 07:49:35 AM
My friends who are true Alpha don't approach women, they approach them. Now my height excludes me from being true alpha, so I approach them that way, because it shows confidence, and lack of fear. Hot women don't want to be with sissies.

Physical stature nor job titles relagate who's alpha. They can be used as a vehicle to alpha status..Like a tall man might be naturally confident due to looming over others, a very good looking man might be naturally confident due to constant reassurance and special treatment...or a financially powerful man might carry a level confidence due to leading packs of ass kissers who want a piece of his pie.

But harboring any of these traits doesn't mean you're good with women. In example, Napoleon..legendary ruler and leader but on the contrary..a complete beta who fell for an old whore.

Peep the lack of neediness and level of aloof these men display. Sheer confidence from within.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2hp66nn.jpg)

(http://i60.tinypic.com/mvhw7b.jpg)

Alphas don't need these women, these women need us.

Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: CalvinH on October 11, 2014, 07:52:48 AM
True alphas realize each women is a case to case basis.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: che on October 11, 2014, 07:57:38 AM
Ask this guy

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ldQHXAamGkY/To86tsxiwrI/AAAAAAAAsgg/Pf1B6sUPsus/s640/Che+-+Rare+Photos+%25284%2529.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Shockwave on October 11, 2014, 08:15:22 AM
Physical stature nor job titles relagate who's alpha. They can be used as a vehicle to alpha status..Like a tall man might be naturally confident due to looming over others, a very good looking man might be naturally confident due to constant reassurance and special treatment...or a financially powerful man might carry a level confidence due to leading packs of ass kissers who want a piece of his pie.

But harboring any of these traits doesn't mean you're good with women. In example, Napoleon..legendary ruler and leader but on the contrary..a complete beta who fell for an old whore.

Peep the lack of neediness and level of aloof these men display. Sheer confidence from within.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2hp66nn.jpg)

(http://i60.tinypic.com/mvhw7b.jpg)

Alphas don't need these women, these women need us.


perfect way to put it.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: blackbart12090 on October 11, 2014, 08:19:12 AM
Physical stature nor job titles relagate who's alpha. They can be used as a vehicle to alpha status..Like a tall man might be naturally confident due to looming over others, a very good looking man might be naturally confident due to constant reassurance and special treatment...or a financially powerful man might carry a level confidence due to leading packs of ass kissers who want a piece of his pie.

But harboring any of these traits doesn't mean you're good with women. In example, Napoleon..legendary ruler and leader but on the contrary..a complete beta who fell for an old whore.

Peep the lack of neediness and level of aloof these men display. Sheer confidence from within.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2hp66nn.jpg)

(http://i60.tinypic.com/mvhw7b.jpg)

Alphas don't need these women, these women need us.



We should recognize and honor diversity. The same grass falls to a lawnmower the tree is safe from. There is no one answer. All five senses are possesed by me, but do you have them?
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: flinstones1 on October 11, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
True alpha doesn't worry about this. It just happens.
It comes naturally. You got it or you don't. If you question or mention your alpha you are already not.

again define alpha bro. There are tons of guys who look good and have alpha characteristics and could  get women easily.. who were still insecure fucks on the inside, women fall for me very hard and very fast...Im only 5'11 so while I'm not short height  is the only alpha physical characteristic  that  I don't possess. . Still do you know how many relationships I've pushed away  because I was a possessive, controlling asshole? Lots! and those flaws came from my own insecurities.

If being able to get a chick to go back home from you is your definition of alpha than your either 18 years old or haven't done it before. Learning to own a woman's  mind is a skill and yes while the basic instincts need to be there it is something that takes a lot of practice and a lot of fucking up.  Eventually you get to a point where hot women are no big deal and you can talk to any girl but you need to at least get a couple good looking girls to fall in love with you to get that confidence  (not just bang them)
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Rambone on October 11, 2014, 10:57:44 AM
True alphas don't respond to threads about "true alphas".

Oh, Goddamn it!
You're alpha as long as you're sporting a pair of Lucchese gators.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: no one on October 11, 2014, 11:04:26 AM
True alphas realize each women is a case to case basis.

ya- they're all fucked.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Papper on October 11, 2014, 12:05:45 PM
no one in bodybuilding is 100 % alpha

sorry to break it to you schmoes
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: TheShape. on October 11, 2014, 12:13:49 PM
There's only two types of people in this world, those with guns and those who dig. You dig.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: the trainer on October 11, 2014, 12:52:02 PM
I am shocked that nobody has mention the trainer in this thread cause I am the only real alpha male around here in a group of cry babies and whiners.

Big and ripped at 257 pounds check
Over 6 feet tall  check
Has a huge cock   check
Can beat up 3 average dudes at once  check
Knows how to pick up women control then and dispose of them when bored check
Gives women intense orgasm until their eyes roll back like they are possessed check
men have fear, jealousy, envy for him but has to show respect in his presence check

So there you have it the trainer a true fucking alpha male and there is nothing more to be said.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: BigRo on October 11, 2014, 01:18:25 PM
 ::)

if your big and ripped 257 pound now then why not post a fucking picture?
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: G_Thang on October 11, 2014, 01:26:48 PM
For those alpha getbiggers, what is your philosophy when dealing with women? 

Do you approach every woman as if you could have her  ???

Buy Shredz Alpha Stack. That should boost your confidence.  ::)
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: the trainer on October 11, 2014, 01:31:10 PM
::)

if your big and ripped 257 pound now then why not post a fucking picture?

Because that would ruin the momentum apart from waiting on the trainer pictures there is nothing else to look forward to on getbig for the christmas
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: gracie bjj on October 11, 2014, 01:34:27 PM
ive never been a stud with the women,as a matter of fact i only had one girlfreind in high school and that lasted 3 weeks :Dto be honest it wasnt until 1994 when i lost alot of weight from anxiety cause i wasnt eating enough that i noticed broads checking me out.i said to myself hey this not eating is working out great,i was down to 190 lbs and im 6ft,i was pretty hard but i wouldnt go as far as saying i was ripped,but i had a nice 4 pak going with a lean body.it just seemed like once the weight came off i seemed to get a few women here and there,i liked it alot and enjoyed every minute of it.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 11, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
I am shocked that nobody has mention the trainer in this thread cause I am the only real alpha male around here in a group of cry babies and whiners.

Big and ripped at 257 pounds check
Over 6 feet tall  check
Has a huge cock   check
Can beat up 3 average dudes at once  check
Knows how to pick up women control then and dispose of them when bored check
Gives women intense orgasm until their eyes roll back like they are possessed check
men have fear, jealousy, envy for him but has to show respect in his presence check

So there you have it the trainer a true fucking alpha male and there is nothing more to be said.

Bulk not working?
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Natural Man on October 11, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
newslfash, even if you manage to be born alpha, or become alpha, being alpha is only a transitional status, as you age you become beta again.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: the trainer on October 11, 2014, 01:39:43 PM
Bulk not working?

That was my weight before I started my bulk I have not being on the scale since.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 11, 2014, 01:48:49 PM
assault people verbally like Goodrum:

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on September 19, 2014, 07:31:49 PM
--

No....just waited for a great deal on one.  My other TV was old but it worked so there was no real rush.  And this is my house, jailbait so you fuck off or I'll fuck you in the asshole.

--
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 11, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
That was my weight before I started my bulk I have not being on the scale since.

Worst gimmick on getbig by a mile.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: the trainer on October 11, 2014, 01:55:23 PM
Worst gimmick on getbig by a mile.

What do we know about simon
He does not like to train with weights he prefers rubber bands.
If a draft comes thru the gym window and the gym manager refuses to shut it he will throw a hissy fit storm out of the gym and cancel his membership.
He likes his skin soft and silky smooth so he uses female lotion

Worst feminine male on getbig by a mile. 



Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 11, 2014, 02:00:01 PM
Some are Alpha during their teens but become Beta or Theta later on, some are Beta growing up, but later bloom to become Alpha etc
At old age, we all become Epsilon anyway.

Alpha, Beta, Gamma, does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

We are Born, We Live and We Die, that's the only constant.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Natural Man on October 11, 2014, 02:15:54 PM
alpha's are raised not born
wrong, it s a combination of the two, having the genes, and the reinforcing education.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 11, 2014, 02:22:18 PM
An Alpha will quickly become a Beta at the tip of a spear or at the wrong end of the gun.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: gracie bjj on October 11, 2014, 02:26:38 PM
wrong, it s a combination of the two, having the genes, and the reinforcing education.

i agree with that, ive seen dudes that are alphas that dont even know they are alphas.on the other hand ive seen dudes that try to potray they r alphas and everyone,mostly everyone can clearly see they are posers trying to play the role. u either got it or u dont,no amount of weigh lifting,MMA classes,dressing sharp ect is gonna change that,we r what we r and u either except it and try to make the best of it or u can live in denial eating your heart out everyday and be miserable
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 11, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
Some are Alpha during their teens but become Beta or Theta later on, some are Beta growing up, but later bloom to become Alpha etc
At old age, we all become Epsilon anyway.

Alpha, Beta, Gamma, does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

We are Born, We Live and We Die, that's the only constant.

weak.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Hulkotron on October 11, 2014, 02:53:20 PM
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life. They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: gracie bjj on October 11, 2014, 03:12:50 PM
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life. They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

thats a really good and accurate post imo
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: orion on October 11, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
An Alpha will quickly become a Beta at the tip of a spear or at the wrong end of the gun.

Untrue.  The most alpha of all were samurai warriors.  They lived by the code of bushido, knowing that every day they woke may be their last.  True samurai would never cower in  insurmountable odds.  He will accept his death because he was waiting for it for years.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 11, 2014, 05:30:36 PM
newslfash, even if you manage to be born alpha, or become alpha, being alpha is only a transitional status, as you age you become beta again.


interesting.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 11, 2014, 06:11:15 PM
Untrue.  The most alpha of all were samurai warriors.  They lived by the code of bushido, knowing that every day they woke may be their last.  True samurai would never cower in  insurmountable odds.  He will accept his death because he was waiting for it for years.
Is this the way you see Radical Jihadists as well?
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: orion on October 11, 2014, 07:57:13 PM
Is this the way you see Radical Jihadists as well?

No.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 11, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
No.
Interesting.  They feel the same way about death as samurais do. 
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: orion on October 11, 2014, 08:21:56 PM
Interesting.  They feel the same way about death as samurais do. 

I don't think so, you are misinformed.  That is all.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: the trainer on October 11, 2014, 08:39:42 PM
I don't think so, you are misinformed.  That is all.

Yes they do it a honor for them to die in the service of alla.
Title: Re: How do you approach being alpha?
Post by: orion on October 11, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
Yes they do it a honor for them to die in the service of alla.

Bushido has 8 tenants... justice, mercy, courage,politeness,honor,loyalty,honesty and self control.  No heaven or hell in their belief system.  Nothing in common with jihadists