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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disgusted on October 12, 2014, 09:53:32 AM
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I personally like debating about these guys. ;D So what do you think natty or not? If yes or no would like to hear your reasons as to why.
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John Hansen has admitted past drug usage on various forums so that one is obvious.
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I personally like debating about these guys. ;D So what do you think natty or not? If yes or no would like to hear your reasons as to why.
I think I rode him pretty hard at one time on Getbig even and he came out with it. You could probably dig it up if you wanted to.
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I think I rode him pretty hard at one time on Getbig even and he came out with it. You could probably dig it up if you wanted to.
I remember him admitting to using but didn't he claim it was when he was really young and only once?
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I remember him admitting to using but didn't he claim it was when he was really young and only one?
Thats always the excuse, isn`t it. haha
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Thats always the excuse, isn`t it. haha
OK so I'll put it this way. Do you think the physique that he is displaying here a attainable with out drug use?
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OK so I'll put it this way. Do you think the physique that he is displaying here a attainable with out drug use?
Yes.
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Yes.
Agreed
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I`ve got one for you Disgusted.
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034841d1282411616-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-fls.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034842d1282411616-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-f2b.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034906d1282663629-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-tris.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034907d1282663629-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-mm.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034908d1282663638-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-bis.jpg%20.att)
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why not?? if Doug Miller is natural I guess anything is possible....LOL
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Natural or not guy looks great.
I think people tend to say drugs if someone has low body fat and has any sort of size.
You can have a great physique without drugs it just takes time and effort.
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I`ve got one for you Disgusted.
Damn you. ;D Me thinks I am being set up. OK first off conditioning easily done without drugs. Size wise upper body I would say yes can be done natty. Most people would look at this guys legs and say no way, but when I was younger people always commented about my thighs and back long before I ever dabbled. I was genetically blessed in that area. I have seen newbies come into the gym with some very freaky arms, arms that appeared way bigger than they really were because of their shape and density. So is this guy natty? I have no idea, a better question to ask would be is this physique attainable with out drug use? My answer is yes.
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Damn you. ;D Me thinks I am being set up. OK first off conditioning easily done without drugs. Size wise upper body I would say yes can be done natty. Most people would look at this guys legs and say no way, but when I was younger people always commented about my thighs and back long before I ever dabbled. I was genetically blessed in that area. I have seen newbies come into the gym with some very freaky arms, arms that appeared way bigger than they really were because of their shape and density. So is this guy natty? I have no idea, a better question to ask would be is this physique attainable with out drug use? My answer is yes.
He actually is natural.
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You still trolling, Disgusted? Boring weekend huh?
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He actually is natural.
I give props to anyone who can diet down to such a low degree of body fat. Once past a certain point you just don't feel healthy.
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John Hansen has admitted past drug usage on various forums so that one is obvious.
You mean those short ester compounds from last week?
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You still trolling Disgusted? Boring weekend huh?
WTF ;D Trying to relax for once on a Sunday the lords day of rest. All kidding aside I would love to see just one guy on here diet down to near death level of body fat with just diet alone. Bet people would be surprised at how that person would turn out.
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that's a graet physic , TA
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WTF ;D Trying to relax for once on a Sunday the lords day of rest. All kidding aside I would love to see just one guy on here diet down to near death level of body fat with just diet alone. Bet people would be surprised at how that person would turn out.
I respect you and I respect your experience in the "sport". But I still have a hard time believing those physiques can be achieved without drugs. :)
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I respect you and I respect your experience in the "sport". But I still have a hard time believing those physiques can be achieved without drugs. :)
Thanks and I'm with ya on that one. Lots of liars out there. Like I said the real question is not are they using but is that type of physique attainable naturally. It's not often but once in a blue moon I run across someone who just had some great genetics and more importantly enough drive to diet till all the fat comes off which is not an easy task. Yeah getting down to around 6% isn't to bad but once past a certain point you have to suffer in such a way that even most pros can't do.
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Thanks and I'm with ya on that one. Lots of liars out there. Like I said the real question is not are they using but is that type of physique attainable naturally. It's not often but once in a blue moon I run across someone who just had some great genetics and more importantly enough drive to diet till all the fat comes off which is not an easy task. Yeah getting down to around 6% isn't to bad but once past a certain point you have to suffer in such a way that even most pros can't do.
x2,,,8-6 pct is still lean and holding some water/strenght and fullness,not be dying...everyday type of look...
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WTF ;D Trying to relax for once on a Sunday the lords day of rest. All kidding aside I would love to see just one guy on here diet down to near death level of body fat with just diet alone. Bet people would be surprised at how that person would turn out.
go ahead, I'll come up and take pictures
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The natty test.
The formula is simple, yet surprisingly accurate and predictive of real world results.
The formula goes as follows:
(Height in centimeters - 100) = Body weight in kilo ("shredded", i.e. 5-6% body fat).
Example: If your height is 180 cm (5'11), subtract 100 and you get 80.
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The natty test.
i srsly doubt an 180cm natural could be 80kg shredded to pieces
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i srsly doubt an 180cm natural could be 80kg shredded to pieces
Seriously, a 6ft guy at 176lb?
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Seriously, a 6ft guy at 176lb?
180cm is 5'11"
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180cm is 5'11"
Then thats even more believable.
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neither Hansen or TA's eg are lifetime nattie
both have that previous user,have come off steroids look
TA's example looks in great shape but I don't believe hes LTN
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Not a single natty was seen that day.
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How are we defining "natural?" Currently natural? Does drug use 4 years ago, but clean for a year still count as natural?
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How are we defining "natural?" Currently natural? Does drug use 4 years ago, but clean for a year still count as natural?
no your a 'clean'lifter/bber,,tagged with former user for life ...but ur like a born again bber u pray to the natural gods now...all is forgiven,
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180cm is 5'11"
Until we learn that height and weight has nothing to do is someone is natural, this debate will go on forever. I am seen MANY guys that look natural and are juiced to the gills. People respond differently to the drugs, bottom line.
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Maybe if natural means "haven't taken any steroids yet today when this photo was taken."
First guy's look reminds me of that "Scooby" closet-case on YouTube.
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Maybe if natural means "haven't taken any steroids yet today when this photo was taken."
First guy's look reminds me of that "Scooby" closet-case on YouTube.
yes long pecs/bunched shoulders/small traps...
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The natty test.
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if anyone on this planet can coach me to be a 190 lb, 5% bf natural, i will give them 5 million dollars
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if anyone on this planet can coach me to be a 190 lb, 5% bf natural, i will give them 5 million dollars
a) you don't have 5 million dollars
b) w arms like yours I'd say you should be happy if you can get to 160/ 5%
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as to Adonis' question. natty? lol stop.
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Disgusted attributing natty to a lot of people of late who look way better conditioned than most pros and way more muscualr than he has ever been with drugs.
fantasist of peace.
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Second dude has a great physique. If he's natty he inherited some pretty good genetics and put in the hours.
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a) you don't have 5 million dollars
b) w arms like yours I'd say you should be happy if you can get to 160/ 5%
ding ding ding
we have a perceptive one ::)
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None of them are natural
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TA & Disgusted saying it can be done easily,
Then why haven't you done it? ???
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If you've used steroids in the past, it will give you an advantage due to muscle memory.
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no your a 'clean'lifter/bber,,tagged with former user for life ...but ur like a born again bber u pray to the natural gods now...all is forgiven,
Exactly, so isn't it ironic when 'natural' bodybuilding feds accept competitors that haven't juiced for at least 7 years?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=542555.0;attach=571598;image)
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If the Getbig protocol of 'anything under 3 grams a week is natural' is adhered to then I'd say yes he's natural.
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i've been natural for 11 years or so and i've been juiced for about a year and a half
i could never get my arms past 15,5" naturally (5'11") in those 11 years and right now i'm at 17,5" from a year and a half of juice
natural bodybuilding is a joke
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most of your mass is built during the first 3 years of training
after that i say you have about 2 years of really minor gains, if you are really dedicated
past the 5 years mark you can only work on little details or bodyfat levels
the muscle building is over
and this is for a consistent trainer not some guy who train 6 month a year
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Natural or not guy looks great.
I think people tend to say drugs if someone has low body fat and has any sort of size.
You can have a great physique without drugs it just takes time and effort.
ROFLMAO
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alot of guys will juice for years then stop and claim natural, the way i see it it u juiced in the past u can never claim natural,cause them drugs did in fact help u get where u r at that point
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I think I rode him pretty hard at one time and he came You could probably dig it .
outed
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most of your mass is built during the first 3 years of training
after that i say you have about 2 years of really minor gains, if you are really dedicated
past the 5 years mark you can only work on little details or bodyfat levels
the muscle building is over
and this is for a consistent trainer not some guy who train 6 month a year
Pretty much this.
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If the Getbig protocol of 'anything under 3 grams a week is natural' is adhered to then I'd say yes he's natural.
Here are more, he is clearly Lifetime Natural in my opinion:
(http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/layne_fr.jpg)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034826d1282320716-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-01.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034827d1282320716-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-02.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034828d1282320727-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-04.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034928d1282745878-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-sldl01.jpg%20.att)
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/%2034987d1283098614-francisco-montealegre-genomyx-am4.jpg%20.att)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fRwe5c0ewkU/UyuXYlFB7GI/AAAAAAAAuM4/wdNTDsQ9C7k/s1600/Francisco+Montealegre+(13).jpg)
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I understand that the occasional guy appears every so often with crazy stupid genetics, as we've all seen something like that.
But to say that conditioning can be achieved easily, let alone clean, feels a bit much.
Conditioning has nothing to do with drugs.
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1993&d=1285085359)
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2008&d=1285087329)
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2011&d=1285090556)
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2017&d=1285091141)
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Not a single natty was seen that day in dat dere thread of peace.
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2021&d=1285091475)
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2029&d=1285092410)
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2071&d=1286203355)
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(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2082&d=1286376354)
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2083&d=1286376710)
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He follows the No One Machine workout actually.
Taken directly from his post:
Yesterday i did my last upperbody circuit workout of the week!...this thing is a killer...i did 45 minutes strainght (no rest) and the pump was insane!..i love it but this is the last one...next monday the real program starts..... the circuit is bellow:
1. Close Grip Pulldowns 15-20 reps
2. Bodyweight Dips 15-20 reps
3. Machine Rows 15-20 reps
4. Free motion Chest Flyes 15-20 reps
5. Delt Presses 15-20 reps
6. Side lateral machine 15-20 reps
7. Rear Delt Cable 15-20 reps
8. Tris cable extensions 15-20 reps
9. Bis curls 15-20 reps
10. REPEAT until time runs out!
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WTF ;D Trying to relax for once on a Sunday the lords day of rest. All kidding aside I would love to see just one guy on here diet down to near death level of body fat with just diet alone. Bet people would be surprised at how that person would turn out.
Francisco diets on around 3000 calories or so and does not suffer. He looks like that year round as well.
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He is around 5`11 and 170 lbs if anyone is wondering.
(http://cdn.muscleandstrength.com/sites/default/files/field/athlete-image/interview/francisco-montealegre-250.jpg)
(http://cdn.muscleandstrength.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/interviews/francisco_montealegre/francisco_montealegre_pro_card.jpg)
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He is around 5`11 and 170 lbs if anyone is wondering.
(http://cdn.muscleandstrength.com/sites/default/files/field/athlete-image/interview/francisco-montealegre-250.jpg)
(http://cdn.muscleandstrength.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/interviews/francisco_montealegre/francisco_montealegre_pro_card.jpg)
Tren.
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Tren.
No.
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All of his competitions are done with Polygraph and Urine by the way.
Time has come once again! I am flying tomorrow morning to get there early and be ready for all the things that i have to do including my tanning, the Athlete's meetings, Testing (polygraph + Urine) the weight ins, prepare my meals for satuday etc.
Today is going to be a very very busy day...i need to make sure i dont forget anything like my posing trunks LOL! I will be training chest/delts/tris today, packing all my stuff including my foods,food scale, Music Cd's..i also need to make sure i eat all my scheduled meals for today, drink my 2 galls of water, practice my posing a little bit, etc etc...its gonna be a long day.
I will be back sunday night and i will try to post an update with my experiences monday..This is going to be a war!!!!, 19 pros already including a few guys from canada are competing this weekend.
Finally a few shots from this week
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ok ta
see the difference in the quality of his tissue from pre contest ballcap shots to show date?
every body lumps anabolics into one group- they make you big. if your not big your not on. that's not necessarily true. compounds like tren even at very low doses over a very long time will promote that kind of shoulder density. he's not particularly 'big'. his overall physique isn't what you'd point to and say 'dudes gassing for sure'. it's the density of the tissue in his shoulders.
ever notice the difference between the density in shoulders between the guys in the 70's and even the average gym rat today? a lot of juicing gym rats have better shoulder caps than the pros of the 70's.
that's not due to a variation in training w more focus on shoulder work. lol thats tren. any tren user will tell you when they start back on tren their shoulders cap more and their tissue gets denser that area.
I don't know how or why what is.
the reason he beats poly and urine and why he shows up w much less density in that area come show time is no coincidence. where did his shoulders go? where'd that density and roundness go? lol that's not carb up/ flattening out issues the kid nails his conditioning.
that look- that dry grainy look is the combination of 3 things. diet anti e's and tren. the density is def tren. if it wasn't he'd carry those delts right into the show. MILLIONS of nattys diet down for shows and have the same bf levels. how many have this grainy dense look. none. miller does. that's another story. but norton sure doesn't. I have zero problem believing norton is 100% natty for that very reason.
pulling the mask off ok who's natty is less about actual 'size' but more abt the actual 'look' the natty carries.
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ok ta
see the difference in the quality of his tissue from pre contest ballcap shots to show date?
every body lumps anabolics into one group- they make you big. if your not big your not on. that's not necessarily true. compounds like tren even at very low doses over a very long time will promote that kind of shoulder density. he's not particularly 'big'. his overall physique isn't what you'd point to and say 'dudes gassing for sure'. it's the density of the tissue in his shoulders.
ever notice the difference between the density in shoulders between the guys in the 70's and even the average gym rat today? a lot of juicing gym rats have better shoulder caps than the pros of the 70's.
that's not due to a variation in training w more focus on shoulder work. lol thats tren. any tren user will tell you when they start back on tren their shoulders cap more and their tissue gets denser that area.
I don't know how or why what is.
the reason he beats poly and urine and why he shows up w much less density in that area come show time is no coincidence. where did his shoulders go? where'd that density and roundness go? lol that's not carb up/ flattening out issues the kid nails his conditioning.
that look- that dry grainy look is the combination of 3 things. diet anti e's and tren. the density is def tren. if it wasn't he'd carry those delts right into the show. MILLIONS of nattys diet down for shows and have the same bf levels. how many have this grainy dense look. none. miller does. that's another story. but norton sure doesn't. I have zero problem believing norton is 100% natty for that very reason.
pulling the mask off ok who's natty is less about actual 'size' but more abt the actual 'look' the natty carries.
The ball cap pics were actually taken about 3 weeks before some of the other pics so I fail to see your point.
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The ball cap pics were actually taken about 3 weeks before some of the other pics so I fail to see your point.
that makes my point entirely.
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Does this make your point?
Time has come once again! I am flying tomorrow morning to get there early and be ready for all the things that i have to do including my tanning, the Athlete's meetings, Testing (polygraph + Urine) the weight ins, prepare my meals for satuday etc.
Today is going to be a very very busy day...i need to make sure i dont forget anything like my posing trunks LOL! I will be training chest/delts/tris today, packing all my stuff including my foods,food scale, Music Cd's..i also need to make sure i eat all my scheduled meals for today, drink my 2 galls of water, practice my posing a little bit, etc etc...its gonna be a long day.
I will be back sunday night and i will try to post an update with my experiences monday..This is going to be a war!!!!, 19 pros already including a few guys from canada are competing this weekend.
Finally a few shots from this week
This is taken 2 days out.
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1945&d=1284560650)
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1946&d=1284560650)
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Does this make your point No One?
This is about 3 days after competing.
http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/4078-natural-pro-francisco-montealegre-q-secction-16.html
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2074&d=1286288771)
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2076&d=1286288779)
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Does this make your point No One?
This is about 4-5 days after competing.
Flexed
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2081&d=1286376342)
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He looks EXACTLY the same No One 3 weeks out, 5 weeks out, 10 weeks out, show date with little varianace so I fail to see your point.
The thing is, when he flexes, everything just pops. Its pretty amazing actually.
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this isn't about me being right or anyone being wrong. it's just my opionion based what a lot of experience w tren. like 15 years worth.
nobody knows what these guys take. maybe their gfs know. truth of the matter is nobody knows what anybody takes or doesn't take. it all speculation.
I see a guy who's 4-5 weeks out w a graininess / density that most nattys never carry. ever. thick dense round delts. then show time and post show time those shoulders density and graininess are GONE. where did they go? whered that density and graininess disappear to. if it was genetic he'd have it all the time. pre contest/ post show on vacation walking around Vegas. he doesn't. ffs he doesht even look like the same person lol c'mon man.
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this isn't about me being right or anyone being wrong. it's just my opionion based what a lot of experience w tren. like 15 years worth.
nobody knows what these guys take. maybe their gfs know. truth of the matter is nobody knows what anybody takes or doesn't take. it all speculation.
I see a guy who's 4-5 weeks out w a graininess / density that most nattys never carry. ever. thick dense round delts. then show time and post show time those shoulders density and graininess are GONE. where did they go? whered that density and graininess disappear to. if it was genetic he'd have it all the time. pre contest/ post show on vacation walking around Vegas. he doesn't. ffs he doesht even look like the same person lol c'mon man.
Disappear?
You can find tons of pics of him looking exactly the same 2 days out, 4 days out, 5 days post contest. He does many, many contest prep threads.
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even with supercompensation / rebound he can't match the size and fullness or density he had 3-5 weeks out. lol
so ya. even further makes my point.
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even with supercompensation / rebound he can't match the size and fullness or density he had 3-5 weeks out. lol
so ya. even further makes my point.
Bullshit.
2 days out
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1945&d=1284560650)
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TA if you what you believe this guy is clean then that great. we don't share the same opinion. your not right. I'm not wrong. I'm not taking anything away from the guy I think he looks amazing. I wish I could get off my lazy ass and arse myself into trying to get that lean one day. I just don't have the disciplene.
cause that's exactly what he's built his physique on and why he looks so great. he's 100% dedicated and committed and I applaud that.
those shows are separated by the thinnest of margins. even an incremental increase in your physique could mean the difference between 1st and 5th. I see not just an incremental increase but a huge difference between his weeks out pic and his stage pics, even his 2 day out pic.
the fact is he's incrementally better - not just in conditioning - everywhere- in his weeks out pics than he looks fully super compensated when guys look their BEST- fullest, most dense most round. even fully supered 1-3 days post he still can't touch his density and roundness and fullness in the ball cap pics.
if anything it only further guts the guys claims.
just saying lol
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John Hansen has admitted past drug usage on various forums so that one is obvious.
He writes on here and over at Raw Iron. Always found him to be a nice Guy.
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look at the photoshoot pics. the upshot pic of him in boardies. Vegas. then look at his weeks out pics. lol Jesus
id bet my house those pics were post show. they go to LV for a vacation after or was the show there?
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look at the photoshoot pics. the upshot pic of him in boardies. Vegas. then look at his weeks out pics. lol Jesus
id bet my house those pics were post show. they go to LV for a vacation after or was the show there?
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Right after the Polygraph and Urine test.
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Ta gone full troll mode. Poor attempt at baiting brother.
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its the vascularity that gives it away for me.
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its the vascularity that gives it away for me.
Conditioning has nothing to do with drugs.
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That guy really diets on 3000cals?
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Conditioning has nothing to do with drugs.
No but inch wide bicep veins do.
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ok ta
see the difference in the quality of his tissue from pre contest ballcap shots to show date?
every body lumps anabolics into one group- they make you big. if your not big your not on. that's not necessarily true. compounds like tren even at very low doses over a very long time will promote that kind of shoulder density. he's not particularly 'big'. his overall physique isn't what you'd point to and say 'dudes gassing for sure'. it's the density of the tissue in his shoulders.
ever notice the difference between the density in shoulders between the guys in the 70's and even the average gym rat today? a lot of juicing gym rats have better shoulder caps than the pros of the 70's.
that's not due to a variation in training w more focus on shoulder work. lol thats tren. any tren user will tell you when they start back on tren their shoulders cap more and their tissue gets denser that area.
Yes I notice it for sure, especially at higher doses of tren, can almost throw off the balance.
I don't know how or why what is.
the reason he beats poly and urine and why he shows up w much less density in that area come show time is no coincidence. where did his shoulders go? where'd that density and roundness go? lol that's not carb up/ flattening out issues the kid nails his conditioning.
that look- that dry grainy look is the combination of 3 things. diet anti e's and tren. the density is def tren. if it wasn't he'd carry those delts right into the show. MILLIONS of nattys diet down for shows and have the same bf levels. how many have this grainy dense look. none. miller does. that's another story. but norton sure doesn't. I have zero problem believing norton is 100% natty for that very reason.
pulling the mask off ok who's natty is less about actual 'size' but more abt the actual 'look' the natty carries.
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Does this make your point No One?
This is about 4-5 days after competing.
Flexed
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2081&d=1286376342)
fucking lol @ any poor SOB who believes this is a natural
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qsWYR3hKDYM/UVPzxS12VAI/AAAAAAAAAGk/h9Flc1my_rI/s1600/lacour2.jpg)
another natty
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this is natural bodybuilding
(http://www.directlyfitness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Aaron-Whitten10.jpg)
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No but inch wide bicep veins do.
that's why i always gave cutler benefit of the doubt :D
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(http://ifitnessstudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JimC.png)
natty?
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Does this make your point No One?
This is about 4-5 days after competing.
Flexed
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2081&d=1286376342)
If this could be attained naturally the Supp industry would be handing contracts to this guy left and right !
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Does this make your point?
Time has come once again! I am flying tomorrow morning to get there early and be ready for all the things that i have to do including my tanning, the Athlete's meetings, Testing (polygraph + Urine) the weight ins, prepare my meals for satuday etc.
Today is going to be a very very busy day...i need to make sure i dont forget anything like my posing trunks LOL! I will be training chest/delts/tris today, packing all my stuff including my foods,food scale, Music Cd's..i also need to make sure i eat all my scheduled meals for today, drink my 2 galls of water, practice my posing a little bit, etc etc...its gonna be a long day.
I will be back sunday night and i will try to post an update with my experiences monday..This is going to be a war!!!!, 19 pros already including a few guys from canada are competing this weekend.
Finally a few shots from this week
This is taken 2 days out.
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1945&d=1284560650)
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1946&d=1284560650)
ALPHANESS
fast forward to the 50 sec marc
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(http://ifitnessstudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JimC.png)
natty?
No way in hell!
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If this could be attained naturally the Supp industry would be handing contracts to this guy left and right !
They have been.
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IS this guy natural?
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/testimonials/Jason_front.JPG)
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(http://ifitnessstudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JimC.png)
natty?
No idea about Jim Cordova. Don`t know anything about him.
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IS this guy natural?
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/testimonials/Jason_front.JPG)
I dont know if he is but that can be attained natural.
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They have been.
Not really buddy, ask the top 15 contenders of Mr.O or Arnold classic all the stuff they have to inject go thru for years before they can land a decent contract...
I haven't seen a "natty" as the poster boy in the Supp industry ....
The youngster with physique as such is not natty by any means... If he could however, make you think you could like look like him by using hydroxycuts/Glutamine/Cartinine etc .... that's a start.
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1945&d=1284560650)
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No idea about Jim Cordova. Don`t know anything about him.
Dont you even have an opinion?
Could that look be attained natty is the question, not if a certain individual is natty.
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IS this guy natural?
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/testimonials/Jason_front.JPG)
Not any more thats for sure.
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/10261017_1481860035430790_626092025_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/927431_689490284453374_2018839674_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/914762_763591196996052_99380391_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10522322_1431111443837409_813040860_a.jpg)
(http://websta.me/p/756877281118960675_554307606)
(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/10514136_735417423163102_1759299364_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/928272_689830187756383_962537725_a.jpg)
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natural or not, while not as big, he has attained similar muscular density as Dennis wolf
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=1945&d=1284560650)
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Another standard TA troll. So many go for it every time.
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I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as natty.
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IS this guy natural?
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/testimonials/Jason_front.JPG)
I hope so.
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I hope so.
Not anymore. Look at my post.
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I hope so.
Really, why?
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Really, why?
Ah cause he has very little muscle.
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IS this guy natural?
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/testimonials/Jason_front.JPG)
Nope! It looks like he's had his teeth whitened.
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Ah cause he has very little muscle.
Looks more like he has a lot of little muscles.
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Ah cause he has very little muscle.
Some guys are banging 1600 mgms of gear to fall short of that.
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http://nattyornot.com/jeff-willett-natural/
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this is natural bodybuilding
(http://www.directlyfitness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Aaron-Whitten10.jpg)
I'm sure it is but his conditioning is terrible.
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Looks more like he has a lot of little muscles.
:D
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Ah cause he has very little muscle.
Its a stretch to say he has "very little muscle." He's no monster but he clearly has muscle.
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Its a stretch to say he has "very little muscle." He's no monster but he clearly has muscle.
Actually I think his nick name is stretch so you're wrong. :D
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Not any more thats for sure.
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/10261017_1481860035430790_626092025_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/927431_689490284453374_2018839674_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/914762_763591196996052_99380391_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10522322_1431111443837409_813040860_a.jpg)
(http://websta.me/p/756877281118960675_554307606)
(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/10514136_735417423163102_1759299364_a.jpg)
(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/928272_689830187756383_962537725_a.jpg)
That can't be him. ??? ??? ???
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That can't be him. ??? ??? ???
It is.
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Actually I think his nick name is stretch so you're wrong. :D
??? ??? ???
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I'm sure it is but his conditioning is terrible.
I wouldnt say its terrible, its what most nattys look like.
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I wouldnt say its terrible, its what most nattys look like.
No it's not!!!
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Who was the Hebrew champion natural bber who sev claimed he was superior to?
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It is.
Wow, it doesnt even look like him any more.
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No it's not!!!
(http://s27.postimg.org/8jjru9xeb/Screen_Shot_2014_10_13_at_21_26_01.png)
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(http://s27.postimg.org/8jjru9xeb/Screen_Shot_2014_10_13_at_21_26_01.png)
(http://www.andygonsalves.com/design/color_design/threadless/catgotyourtongue.gif)
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Who was the Hebrew champion natural bber who sev claimed he was superior to?
Simeon Panda
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(http://s27.postimg.org/8jjru9xeb/Screen_Shot_2014_10_13_at_21_26_01.png)
Come on Jim, lets not miss this opportunity, you call the guys conditioning on the right terrible yet the guy on the left looks worse and is a guy you prepped who was using gear.
Im at a loss is to what looks natural and whats enhanced anymore.
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Come on Jim, lets not miss this opportunity, you call the guys conditioning on the right terrible yet the guy on the left looks worse and is a guy you prepped who was using gear.
Im at a loss is to what looks natural and whats enhanced anymore.
Guy on the right does look better.
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Guy on the right does look better.
I think Jims trolling in this thread is done for now. ;)
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Bob marley speaking about the natty.
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Does this make your point No One?
This is about 4-5 days after competing.
Flexed
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/attachment.php?attachmentid=2081&d=1286376342)
I'm no expert but what I read, thick veins are give away being enhanced. But he seems like those with fast metabolism, cause most got small faces and TA said he diets with 3k calories.
And I never saw someone with fast metabolism try to train natty long enough. So maybe this is the maxed out look of a ektomorph. He only weights 80kg.
In this thread u experts claim all body types look the same as natural.
I think we shouldn't rule out the difference in body types, genetics.
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Come on Jim, lets not miss this opportunity, you call the guys conditioning on the right terrible yet the guy on the left looks worse and is a guy you prepped who was using gear.
Im at a loss is to what looks natural and whats enhanced anymore.
I’m not sure what you point is but if you want to talk conditioning then first when I say this guy’s conditioning is terrible I'll elaborate. He’s very lean for sure but he is also very flat and is not showing one striation anywhere!! Contrary to what people think you do not need to take diuretics to become flat and because he is flat his separation and striations within the muscle are not a apparent. Like I said he is very lean not shredded but certainly lean enough that he should look a lot better than he does in this pic.
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner but this guy could have looked a lot better if he was dialed in by someone that knew WTF they were doing.
Btw, the pic of Radu was a pic taken from a distance and blown up by you to equal the same size as the pic of the other guy that was a very close up shot. At least when doing a comparison make it of a similar pic as far as how far away the other person is from the camera. ::)
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I'm no expert but what I read, thick veins are give away being enhanced. But he seems like those with fast metabolism, cause most got small faces and TA said he diets with 3k calories.
And I never saw someone with fast metabolism try to train natty long enough. So maybe this is the maxed out look of a ektomorph. He only weights 80kg.
In this thread u experts claim all body types look the same as natural.
I think we shouldn't rule out the difference in body types, genetics.
I thought thick veins are because you are on nitix and getting da pump ???
(http://images.netrition.com/images/id_watermark_jpg/200-0126.jpg)
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I’m not sure what you point is but if you want to talk conditioning then first when I say this guy’s conditioning is terrible I'll elaborate. He’s very lean for sure but he is also very flat. Contrary to what people think you do not need to take diuretics to become flat and because he is flat his separation and striations within the muscle are not a apparent. Like I said he is very lean not shredded but certainly lean enough that he should look a lot better than he does in this pic.
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner but this guy could have looked a lot better if he was dialed in by someone that knew WTF they were doing.
Seriously, after Radus condition onstage you are hardly one to throw stones.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403621_1515663835345124_9219894481482524405_n.jpg?oh=fd2602192e121c564c3938e61e1c4912&oe=54AB5E8C&__gda__=1420946613_e331731f7669c76a9196f74cdea516a0)
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Seriously, after Radus condition onstage you are hardly one to throw stones.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403621_1515663835345124_9219894481482524405_n.jpg?oh=fd2602192e121c564c3938e61e1c4912&oe=54AB5E8C&__gda__=1420946613_e331731f7669c76a9196f74cdea516a0)
Rado bigger calves than Wolf.
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I’m not sure what you point is but if you want to talk conditioning then first when I say this guy’s conditioning is terrible I'll elaborate. He’s very lean for sure but he is also very flat and is not showing one striation anywhere!! Contrary to what people think you do not need to take diuretics to become flat and because he is flat his separation and striations within the muscle are not a apparent. Like I said he is very lean not shredded but certainly lean enough that he should look a lot better than he does in this pic.
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner but this guy could have looked a lot better if he was dialed in by someone that knew WTF they were doing.
Since you help with his diet and getting him dialed I guess you are saying that you dont know what you are doing, I have new respect for you its very refreshing to hear this kind of honesty on getbig.
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Seriously, after Radus condition onstage you are hardly one to throw stones.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403621_1515663835345124_9219894481482524405_n.jpg?oh=fd2602192e121c564c3938e61e1c4912&oe=54AB5E8C&__gda__=1420946613_e331731f7669c76a9196f74cdea516a0)
How am I throwing stones? Did my rebuttal of my last post to you make you mad? If I am wrong then please prove it? Also, who is this guy your brother? Sounds like you are taking this personally.
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(http://s27.postimg.org/6k7ax8bir/Screen_Shot_2014_10_13_at_22_37_03.png)
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner
You have got to be trolling
Poor Radu, first Sev takes the piss out of him now you.
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How am I throwing stones? Did my rebuttal of my last post to you make you mad? If I am wrong then please prove it? Also, who is this guy your brother? Sounds like you are taking this personally.
You are saying the guy either doesn't know what hes doing or whoever prepped him doesn't know what they are doing.
Thats throwing stones.
Upset?
Im just blowing holes in your trolling thread thats all.
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(http://s27.postimg.org/6k7ax8bir/Screen_Shot_2014_10_13_at_22_37_03.png)
You have got to be trolling
Poor Radu, first Sev takes the piss out of him now you.
That's it? Really? So does the guy on the left have better separation? Better striations? More fullness? He certainly doesn't have more vascularity since he is flat. Radu is very thin skinned in that pic back stage and is striated even in is abs. Do you have any other pics of your brother?
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That's it? Really? So does the guy on the left have better separation? Better striations? More fullness? He certainly doesn't have more vascularity since he is flat. Radu is very thin skinned in that pic back stage and is striated even in is abs. Do you have any other pics of your brother?
The guy on the left destroys him in all areas
Take a look at Radu onstage
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10407591_1515664095345098_1959044230501513605_n.jpg?oh=0d4292fc8aca9cfbfdcb70c3d562a02b&oe=54B70D82&__gda__=1421369320_494fd27e1cc5f6d272b20554cc4522e8)
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You are saying the guy either doesn't know what hes doing or whoever prepped him doesn't know what they are doing.
Thats throwing stones.
Upset?
Im just blowing holes in your trolling thread thats all.
I stand by what I said and said it with out remorse or contention. This guy could have looked a lot better if his fluid intake was handled better. So, either blame him or his trainer.
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The guy on the left destroys him in all areas
Take a look at Radu onstage
Well if he does then please post some pics of him onstage, I've not only proved it in the pic I posted buy told you exactly why. You on the other hand can only say well he destroys him in all areas. ::)
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I stand by what I said and said it with out remorse or contention. This guy could have looked a lot better if his fluid intake was handled better. So, either blame him or his trainer.
So why was Radu so smooth onstage compared to his fellow competitors?
We cant blame the drugs because its been established they have nothing to do with condition
We cant blame Radu because you confirmed you were amazed by his dedication and commitment
So what happened, he dieted for 22 weeks at least?
Not many avenues left to explore are there?
Maybe he should have got someone to prep him who "knew WTF they were doing"
Not throwing stones by the way
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So why was Radu so smooth onstage compared to his fellow competitors?
We cant blame the drugs because its been established they have nothing to do with condition
We cant blame Radu because you confirmed you were amazed by his dedication and commitment
So what happened, he dieted for 22 weeks at least?
Not many avenues left to explore are there?
Maybe he should have got someone to prep him who "knew WTF they were doing"
Not throwing stones by the way
The pic I posted was back stage with out dream tan. That is the only other factor in his look that would change his apperance. I personally do not like it. I think it completely takes away from one's definition.
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When I typed in "pro natural bodybuilder" into google image search, this pic came up.
Is he natural? What you?
(http://bodybuildingunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Phil-Heath.jpg)
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Personally I think he did fine for the first time on stage and I will leave it up to Sev to post other pics of him onstage or back stage since I don't have any others. BTW, how long has your brother been competing and how long have you been training him?
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Personally I think he did fine for the first time on stage and I will leave it up to Sev to post other pics of him onstage or back stage since I don't have any others. BTW, how long has your brother been competing and how long have you been training him?
He was seriously taking illegal substances?
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Yeah he def is a lot leaner than Radu. ::) BTW nice 2 pack.
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Personally I think he did fine for the first time on stage and I will leave it up to Sev to post other pics of him onstage or back stage since I don't have any others. BTW, how long has your brother been competing and how long have you been training him?
Im no bodybuilder, but I cannot imagine taking steroids or other illegal substances to look like that. :-X :-X :-\ :-\
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I'm curious to know how long this guy has been competing and how many shows he's done. He looks much younger here. Looks like he may have done quite a few.
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Is this guy natural ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121940.0;attach=137347;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=348607.0;attach=383137;image)
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Is this guy natural ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121940.0;attach=137347;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=348607.0;attach=383137;image)
-Hope so. If not, he is doing something wrong.
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-Hope so. If not, he is doing something wrong.
Yes he's natural.
How about this guy ?
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i67/latinoplaya777/Mobile%20Uploads/1277438248.jpg)
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Yes he's natural.
How about this guy ?
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i67/latinoplaya777/Mobile%20Uploads/1277438248.jpg)
His tits suggest otherwise....or he is just unfortunate.
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Exactly, so isn't it ironic when 'natural' bodybuilding feds accept competitors that haven't juiced for at least 7 years?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=542555.0;attach=571598;image)
they need to distinguish between LIFETIME NATURAL (LTN) + previous steroid use- ANYONE who has used steroids b4 can gain and retain so much more muscle than a LTN
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Yes he's natural.
How about this guy ?
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i67/latinoplaya777/Mobile%20Uploads/1277438248.jpg)
He's gyno-fabulous.
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I personally like debating about these guys. ;D So what do you think natty or not? If yes or no would like to hear your reasons as to why.
How can you doubt if NATURAL MR.O is natty or not ?
wwwOOOCCCHHHH smh
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How can you doubt if NATURAL MR.O is natty or not ?
wwwOOOCCCHHHH smh
>:(
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Yes he's natural.
How about this guy ?
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i67/latinoplaya777/Mobile%20Uploads/1277438248.jpg)
is that his breast pose?
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The Fleur-De-Lis stenciled on the wall is pretty neat.
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is that his breast pose?
Side breast
How about Getbigger Adrain ,natural or not ?
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1546315_10202842531720259_826763835_n.jpg?oh=5c8594737892e25bfad53d8b25cc45f9&oe=54F86603)
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1045199_10201121740061543_30634060_n.jpg?oh=d646fb13d090b55dd14056f043fef5bb&oe=54F895A1)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1098369_10201404227963564_49093125_n.jpg?oh=b98d4e4562da206da98472e4a6ad2832&oe=54BB74C9&__gda__=1421142752_ceb72fc35d6ba085f9a4461eef4cc39a)
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natural or not he's a beast...
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Side breast
How about Getbigger Adrain ,natural or not ?
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1546315_10202842531720259_826763835_n.jpg?oh=5c8594737892e25bfad53d8b25cc45f9&oe=54F86603)
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1045199_10201121740061543_30634060_n.jpg?oh=d646fb13d090b55dd14056f043fef5bb&oe=54F895A1)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1098369_10201404227963564_49093125_n.jpg?oh=b98d4e4562da206da98472e4a6ad2832&oe=54BB74C9&__gda__=1421142752_ceb72fc35d6ba085f9a4461eef4cc39a)
Cleanest Natural destroys that guy.
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Cleanest Natural destroys that guy.
conditioning is one thing,but the level of muscle density and thickness to go with the good muscle shape is tough to achieve if at all natural or even clean 'given cycle or cycles off and on'this is relaxed not posed and he's freaking huge...
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conditioning is one thing,but the level of muscle density and thickness to go with the good muscle shape is tough to achieve if at all natural or even clean 'given cycle or cycles off and on'this is relaxed not posed and he's freaking huge...
Yes, but Sevatese has really set the bar.
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Yes, but Sevatese has really set the bar.
:D
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Cleanest Natural destroys that guy.
It doesn't make any sense , a natural bigger than a juicer ???
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X42x3Y8Nm_w/ToEB1kx7fGI/AAAAAAAAAHE/IpcLj8IF-0s/s1600/302155_266347433395697_137054429658332_880490_1342977467_n.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=547072.0;attach=577499;image)
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-Hope so. If not, he is doing something wrong.
If they don't know about Billy's drug use, they shouldn't post in this thread.
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Personally I think he did fine for the first time on stage and I will leave it up to Sev to post other pics of him onstage or back stage since I don't have any others. BTW, how long has your brother been competing and how long have you been training him?
I have no idea who he is, it was a picture chosen at Random to emphasise a point.
Poor Radu, all that work only to be thwarted by the curse of Protan. ::)
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I have no idea who he is, it was a picture chosen at Random to emphasise a point.
Poor Radu, all that work only to be thwarted by the curse of Protan. ::)
Sure you don't. ::) looks like someone got butt hurt when your "point" didn't come across so well. :-*
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Sure you don't. ::) looks like someone got butt hurt when your "point" didn't come across so well. :-*
I just Googled "natural bodybuilders/images" and picked his photo.
I have forgotten what my original point was , I havent forgotten you said his condition was terrible yet you believe Radu was shredded hard and vascular but was thwarted by protan.
Seriously , if you want to troll then just troll, dont try and be serious in the same thread , it doesnt work.
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mister taiwain is a great natural bodybuild
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I just Googled "natural bodybuilders/images" and picked his photo.
I have forgotten what my original point was , I havent forgotten you said his condition was terrible yet you believe Radu was shredded hard and vascular but was thwarted by protan.
Seriously , if you want to troll then just troll, dont try and be serious in the same thread , it doesnt work.
Look man if that guy is your son or nephew or something I'm sorry I didn't mean to be mean.
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Look man if that guy is your son or nephew or something I'm sorry I didn't mean to be mean.
I recognize the bodybuilder.
His name is Aaron Whitten.
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Look man if that guy is your son or nephew or something I'm sorry I didn't mean to be mean.
Dont you have anything original to come up with?
You fucked Radu up and are now throwing him under the bus saying it was Protan FFS.
How is it you dont know he used Dream Tan?
Talk about Guru from a distance.
Are you sure you prepped this guy?
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Dont you have anything original to come up with?
You fucked Radu up and are now throwing him under the bus saying it was Protan FFS.
How is it you dont know he used Dream Tan?
Talk about Guru from a distance.
Are you sure you prepped this guy?
Maybe he needed to work harder like Dorian. ::) You say some of the dumbest shit out of anyone on here when it comes to training. You're on this Radu guys dick so much why don't your friend him on FB? Yep I trained Radu. I don't train people for recognition or props I did it because I wanted to help the guy best I could. Tell you what Simpleton, I don't hide behind some screen name while calling others names like you do. I get lots of pms from people and help them out when I can. Been here many years and seen lots of fuck tards like you come and go. Please stick around cause you are good for an occasional laugh. :-*
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Is this guy natural ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121940.0;attach=137347;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=348607.0;attach=383137;image)
hes not LTN
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Yes he's natural.
How about this guy ?
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i67/latinoplaya777/Mobile%20Uploads/1277438248.jpg)
NOT LTN
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Maybe he needed to work harder like Dorian. ::) You say some of the dumbest shit out of anyone on here when it comes to training. You're on this Radu guys dick so much why don't your friend him on FB? Yep I trained Radu. I don't train people for recognition or props I did it because I wanted to help the guy best I could. Tell you what Simpleton, I don't hide behind some screen name while calling others names like you do. I get lots of pms from people and help them out when I can. Been here many years and seen lots of fuck tards like you come and go. Please stick around cause you are good for an occasional laugh. :-*
meltdown.
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Giant veins = drugs (obviously) ::)
(http://aestheticworld.com/wp1/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/EugenSandowTrue.png)
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meltdown.
I knew that was coming. >:(
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I personally like debating about these guys. ;D So what do you think natty or not? If yes or no would like to hear your reasons as to why.
Yes.
Define "natty."
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Define "natty."
Unkempt kinky hair....oh that's nappy, sorry. ;D
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I knew that was coming. >:(
You get way to worked up, I couldnt care less about Radu, I only mention him to get a rise out of you, you started this dumb thread about "natty or not" and you seem to believe some obvious enhanced physiques are achieveable natty, yet you have never been anywhere near them natty or enhanced yourself , well you claim natty now yourself and are walking around at 260lb in reasonable shape.
Come on man, stop the flip flopping.
If you want to troll thats great, but dont expect to make serious posts in the same thread.
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You get way to worked up, I couldnt care less about Radu, I only mention him to get a rise out of you, you started this dumb thread about "natty or not" and you seem to believe some obvious enhanced physiques are achieveable natty, yet you have never been anywhere near them natty or enhanced yourself , well you claim natty now yourself and are walking around at 260lb in reasonable shape.
Come on man, stop the flip flopping.
If you want to troll thats great, but dont expect to make serious posts in the same thread.
Dude it's all good. Been here way too long to get mad. I'm having fun but you have to admit you got all worked up about me criticising you on training your buddy. You def had him cut back too much on his fluid intake. Post a pic of him off season.
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Dude it's all good. Been here way too long to get mad. I'm having fun but you have to admit you got all worked up about me criticising you on training your buddy. You def had him cut back too much on his fluid intake. Post a pic of him off season.
;D
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Giant veins = drugs (obviously) ::)
(http://aestheticworld.com/wp1/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/EugenSandowTrue.png)
Not seeing any giant veins on sandow...
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;D
You guys have a falling out? ???
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You guys have a falling out? ???
Lol, let it go mate, trollings meant to have a point and be entertaining for the viewer.
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Lol, let it go mate, trollings meant to have a point and be entertaining for the viewer.
You're in denial. ???
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You're in denial. ???
Yeah, you got me, what I did was told him to diet for 6 weeks, two of those weeks he was to eat 10,000 cals a day, I got this information from a new pro bodybuilder.
He was ill after 3 days with a blocked bowel but we persisted, after all he would look better if we could get his gut to stick out on show day.
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Yeah, you got me, what I did was told him to diet for 6 weeks, two of those weeks he was to eat 10,000 cals a day, I got this information from a new pro bodybuilder.
He was ill after 3 days with a blocked bowel but we persisted, after all he would look better if we could get his gut to stick out on show day.
God you're easy. ;D
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God your easy. ;D
I aim to please. ;)
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Not seeing any giant veins on sandow...
Thats because its a dodged and burned picture. Not only is the quality not that great, but its retouched as I said, which was commonplace in studio shots of that time.
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Doug Miller, All Natural Pro (pic taken last week).
"I just wanted to take a quick second to say thank you everyone for the positive posts, private messages, videos, texts, phone calls, etc after posting up pics yesterday. Although there were a lot of haters/skeptics, the positives far outweighs the negatives and I will NEVER let those haters discourage me or keep me from doing my thing. Thanks again to all of you...it means a lot. Off to CRUSH IT! See you in 4 days." Doug Miller
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2vd4jcy.jpg)
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Doug Miller, All Natural Pro (pic taken last week).
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2vd4jcy.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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(http://i58.tinypic.com/2qx731f.jpg)
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Doug Miller, All Natural Pro (pic taken last week).
"I just wanted to take a quick second to say thank you everyone for the positive posts, private messages, videos, texts, phone calls, etc after posting up pics yesterday. Although there were a lot of haters/skeptics, the positives far outweighs the negatives and I will NEVER let those haters discourage me or keep me from doing my thing. Thanks again to all of you...it means a lot. Off to CRUSH IT! See you in 4 days." Doug Miller
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2vd4jcy.jpg)
'All natural' means 'all organic peanut butter'?
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'All natural' means 'all organic peanut butter'?
i think all all natural means when he posts saying hes 'ALL NATURAL' hes prolly naked at the time.
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If Doug Miller is truly a natural, I wish I had his genetics.
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If Doug Miller is truly a natural, I wish I had his genetics.
prime i hear ya but no way,,,,
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He said he took a polygraph and passed!
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I guess the rule is less than 2 grams is natural.
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I guess the rule is less than 2 grams is natural.
Three grams going by Getbig protocols, so probably just scrapes into the natural category.
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Not so natty hairline.
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Doug Miller, All Natural Pro (pic taken last week).
"I just wanted to take a quick second to say thank you everyone for the positive posts, private messages, videos, texts, phone calls, etc after posting up pics yesterday. Although there were a lot of haters/skeptics, the positives far outweighs the negatives and I will NEVER let those haters discourage me or keep me from doing my thing. Thanks again to all of you...it means a lot. Off to CRUSH IT! See you in 4 days." Doug Miller
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2vd4jcy.jpg)
Must suck to have to reach UP to turn a door knob.
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Good everyday delt/tricep. Easy to maintain without a lot of...wait a minute!
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He said he took a polygraph and passed!
Take Valium before poly test and you can say you are black when you are white and pass no worries.
The science of lying or should I say how to beat the tests is more incredible than what the "non natural" pros get up to.
Pro BB has always been a walking science project with all the drugs , these "natural" guys are a step up from that
with there bullshitting and how to beat tests
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If Doug Miller is truly a natural, I wish I had his genetics.
and if he isnt natural you dont wish you had ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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if that's not shopped the side tricep one,how then could he have a thicker/look than most national level bbers on every drug available..
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genetics...LMFAO...do you relaly think there is tha tmuch of a genetic variance between Doug and every other top level natural bodybuilder int he world??? Get your head out of your assses...so he passes a polygraph test big fucking deal they are not admissable in a court of law for a reason....do you now what that reason is??? because they are so easy to beat!!! wake the "F" up!!!!