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People actually fall for this nonsense?
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People actually fall for this nonsense?
It's not non-sense. If you are tired and not into training, then take a good pre-workout. It'll help you be more "into" you're training, get a better pump (if it's a good product), and you'll train longer.
Basically, on days I feel like skipping the gym or being lazy on leg day, I take a pre-workout and end up killing it instead or skipping or skimping.
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People actually fall for this nonsense?
Sometimes you need a boost of energy to get into the zone.
You must know this as a lifetime natural. Right?
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People actually fall for this nonsense?
TA do you have strong feelings on nutrient timing?
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Pj I respect you man but honestly with the hormones you run what real benefit do you truly derive from 30 or so grams of dextrose with trace amounts of amino acids mixed in?
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Pj I respect you man but honestly with the hormones you run what real benefit do you truly derive from 30 or so grams of dextrose with trace amounts of amino acids mixed in?
maybe you missed this.
If you are tired and not into training, then take a good pre-workout. It'll help you be more "into" you're training, get a better pump (if it's a good product), and you'll train longer.
and i agree w him. im not a big supplement guy. xtend and protein powder for the most part. and its cheaper than a starbucks/ tim hortons coffee per serving.
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Pj I respect you man but honestly with the hormones you run what real benefit do you truly derive from 30 or so grams of dextrose with trace amounts of amino acids mixed in?
Haha. Nothing.
NOW 32g of highly branched cyclic dextrin, and 12g+ of EAAs, with 2g of cit mal per serving? Well sir, that is a potent combo. I take 2 servings with large body parts and I see ENORMOUS increases in recovery. Don't take my word for it though. This product will be in the gym bag of almost any serious bodybuilder soon, and the reviews should flood the interwebz.
I would say that of the 600 or so people that pre-ordered the new Intra-MD at least half aren't natty, and MANY of them are top level competitive bodybuilders. All of them understand the importance of recovery and know that training frequency in conjunction with optimal nutrition is the key to growth.
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Haha. Nothing.
NOW 32g of highly branched cyclic dextrin, and 12g+ of EAAs, with 2g of cit mal per serving? Well sir, that is a potent combo. I take 2 servings with large body parts and I see ENORMOUS increases in recovery. Don't take my word for it though. This product will be in the gym bag of almost any serious bodybuilder soon, and the reviews should flood the interwebz.
I would say that of the 600 or so people that pre-ordered the new Intra-MD at least half aren't natty, and MANY of them are top level competitive bodybuilders. All of them understand the importance of recovery and know that training frequency in conjunction with optimal nutrition is the key to growth.
holy fuck dont say that here. this thread will balloon into 15 pages of people telling you you're full of shit.
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Pj I respect you man but honestly with the hormones you run what real benefit do you truly derive from 30 or so grams of dextrose with trace amounts of amino acids mixed in?
If I misunderstood and you were referring to a pre-workout, I would suggest that the 30g of carbs aren't necessary. To me a good pre-workout is mainly for getting better pumps and getting me more pumped to train when I am tired. I don't suggest you use one regularly as they are vaso CONSTRICTORS.
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If I misunderstood and you were referring to a pre-workout, I would suggest that the 30g of carbs aren't necessary. To me a good pre-workout is mainly for getting better pumps and getting me more pumped to train when I am tired. I don't suggest you use one regularly as they are vaso CONSTRICTORS.
Yes I was referring to a pre workout. I have to say some of your BSL products seem interesting unfortunately they are not available in my geography.
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Yes I was referring to a pre workout. I have to say some of your BSL products seem interesting unfortunately they are not available in my geography.
We ship worldwide!
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Before you know it, they are going to start selling berry flavored ammonia nasal inhalants.
PJ, send me that free sample and I will give an honest review.
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Adonis couldn't have set PJ up for the plug any better
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Would one of the G&O moderators kindly delete this blatant spam thread.
Thank you.
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Adonis couldn't have set PJ up for the plug any better
He probably has a better product than most to be honest with you.
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He probably has a better product than most to be honest with you.
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holy fuck dont say that here. this thread will balloon into 15 pages of people telling you you're full of shit.
Lol - yeh no shit.. The morons will all come out and say "nutrition???? Who the fuck needs nutrients - it's all drugs.. Drugs change the molecular structure of air and water and make muscle!! That's the answer not silly ass nutrition!! "
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i never understood it either, honestly
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It's a hit or miss most of the time it just gives me a headache or nausea.
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Only Columbian castor sugar is a better pre-workout than this stuff and I know.
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40 minutes on the treadmill is a breeze if you take a dose of EC 15 minutes beforehand.
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it's an addictive gimmick for naturals
gives them the illusion they are getting somewhere with that artiificilally enhanced pump (or at least they believe) and more energy
in the end they are still the same small son of a bitch once pump wears off
once i started sterons i quit all that balonie
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i would stay away from pre-workouts, yes u are motivated and energized but as soon as the stuff wears off u feel like shit and it can hinder ur sex drive
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I often find that on days that I don't feel like training but drag myself to the gym anyways, I'm stronger, able to get one or two reps than usual or the weights feel light. ???
I haven't come up with an explanation for this phenomenon yet.
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i would stay away from pre-workouts, yes u are motivated and energized but as soon as the stuff wears off u feel like shit and it can hinder ur sex drive
yeah man
i remember taking jack3d
and it would give crazy energy
but after the workout you literally feel depressed as fuck for no obvious reason
i think maybe some people killed themselves from itn, wouldnt be surprise
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I often find that on days that I don't feel like training but drag myself to the gym anyways, I'm stronger, able to get one or two reps than usual or the weights feel light. ???
I haven't come up with an explanation for this phenomenon yet.
Placebo effect.
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I never use them, if you are training 30mins to an hour why would you?
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yeah man
i remember taking jack3d
and it would give crazy energy
but after the workout you literally feel depressed as fuck for no obvious reason
i think maybe some people killed themselves from itn, wouldnt be surprise
that shit literally drained the test out of me, was barely able to get a semi hard on the next day lol
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that shit literally drained the test out of me, was barely able to get a semi hard on the next day lol
nothing to do with test
just side effect of stimulant abuse
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nothing to do with test
just side effect of stimulant abuse
yes, probably stress hormones hindering the effects of test
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Placebo effect.
No, I don't take pre-workouts of stimulants.
I just mean that often have the best workouts when I feel "tired". It doesn't make sense but it happens most of the time.
This is one of the reasons that I don't take stims.
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Placebo effect.
Hey retard. How about here for breakfast on Sunday...
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i dont see myself trainning without caffeine at least
so many benefits, cost almost nothing
coffee is absolutly delicious too
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My pre-workout that always works for me when I need it, a small serving of rice/oats with sea salt. I can easily do 2 hours in the gym and get a good pump on the last set. Works better than any supplement I ever tried.
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I've never used a pre workout formula. Never saw the point. If you can't motivate yourself to train unless you've taken some stimulant, then you probably shouldn't bother training at all.
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If I misunderstood and you were referring to a pre-workout, I would suggest that the 30g of carbs aren't necessary. To me a good pre-workout is mainly for getting better pumps and getting me more pumped to train when I am tired. I don't suggest you use one regularly as they are vaso CONSTRICTORS.
No One please chime in on this question as well:
Say I'm dieting/cutting on a set number of macros, would it make sense to use this product and reduce my carbs from some other meal, or would my carbs be better spent on my usual sweet potatoes/rice that I have pre and post workout?
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I love pre workouts
I take up to 900g of caffeine a day at times
The results are great
Can't workout without some form of a stim
I like to take them at work
Before social gathering
Whenever I need to be more productive
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I've done some of my best lifts when I'm tired and calm. In fact I lean towards less stims these days.
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Pre workouts will give people the energy or placebo to complete good workouts. Think of it, I know when I first stared out on them I was obsessed and it did give me somehting in terms of energy during workout (maybe placebo effect). So I think that they are good for the industry as a whole.
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Pre workouts will give people the energy or placebo to complete good workouts. Think of it, I know when I first stared out on them I was obsessed and it did give me somehting in terms of energy during workout (maybe placebo effect). So I think that they are good for the industry as a whole.
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Yes haha. I have been a long time lurker however I feel like part of the family for some reason.
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only thing i use on squat days is a asthma inhaler,i take like 6 hard puffs and hold it in then go squat.since it dialates my bronchial tubes i seem to squat better,its got albuterol in it
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i take like 6 hard puffs and hold it in then go squat
:o ;D
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I have done 240kg squat and 245kg deadlift. If you look up cyrrus 200kg squat you should see that lift.
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People actually fall for this nonsense?
Same people who put a belt on to train arms.
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So many of my mates have ended up shitting blood from using the pre workouts, straining them shits out lol
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for me when i'm going to the gym after work all drained from doing all the us diplomacy in cuba
taking 200mg caffeine can make the difference between struggling with 100kg or pumping out 130kg on the close grip bench
no doubt about it, stimulants are very real
no placebo
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I was doing that lift preworkout free however I did have redbull 500ml. I think that anything like that gives you some type of advantage.
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just have a coffee....
LOL @ phaggots who need their pre-workouts to get a sick pump in the gym....oh realy??? so how did men get a pump in the gym for decades before all this horseshit came out on the market???
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People actually fall for this nonsense?
I could see it's benefits but never for me.....I'm a light sleeper and I don't drink coffee or take anything with caffeine in it unless it's a soda once in awhile.
so any pre-workout would leave me unable to sleep at night.
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::) Because they fall for all bullshit when its advertised ! The GEN POP is pretty much retarded
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shut up homo..can you even reach chin up bar in your gym midget ?
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Didn't take you long to get another gimmick. It was just a few days ago you got banned. How does feel have me buried in your head 24/7? See ya.
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I love pre workouts
I take up to 900g of caffeine a day at times
The results are great
Can't workout without some form of a stim
I like to take them at work
Before social gathering
Whenever I need to be more productive
You are an addict so you dont belong in this conversation.
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Pre workouts are not necessary if you have the extra cash then go for it or just drink a strong cup of coffee, one pre workout that I have used that I would recommend is C4 because it not only gets you hyped up but it gives you incredible focus and make you zoned out in the gym.
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Hey retard. How about here for breakfast on Sunday...
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Now Coach, if you were to change your dining venue to more agreeable offerings, I would be obliged to meet you here: http://www.thepit-raleigh.com/
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Hey retard. How about here for breakfast on Sunday...
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I eat sushi at masa in NYC reservation only, average meal is over 500 bucks and if you cancel the reservation the cost is 200 bucks, out of the coach price range of course.
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I eat sushi at masa in NYC reservation only, average meal is over 500 bucks and if you cancel the reservation the cost is 200 bucks, out of the coach price range of course.
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I'm just not stupid enough to spend that kind of $$ for something I'm going to shit out 2 hours later.
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Now Coach, if you were to change your dining venue to more agreeable offerings, I would be obliged to meet you here: http://www.thepit-raleigh.com/
Was there a couple of months ago while at the USA Baseball Complex.
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just have a coffee....
LOL @ phaggots who need their pre-workouts to get a sick pump in the gym....oh realy??? so how did men get a pump in the gym for decades before all this horseshit came out on the market???
this is how I look at it.
instead of using a fat burner for energy which leaves me rocked for 4 hrs I'll use a pwo that's in and out in half the time. added upside over coffee is that the cost is similar and you also get the added bonus of running a good pump which usually finds me training longer. plus some have other incidentals like creatine and aminos.
all for usually a buck or less a serving. if your dragging ass and don't have a sensitivity to stims like Calvin I think the question more becomes why wouldn't you take one instead of why would you.
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I never take them. Don't even like taking caffeine in coffee/pop, etc. Feel a lot better without them.
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Pepsi Max is the best Pre-Workout and all day drink!
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It's not non-sense. If you are tired and not into training, then take a good pre-workout. It'll help you be more "into" you're training, get a better pump (if it's a good product), and you'll train longer.
Basically, on days I feel like skipping the gym or being lazy on leg day, I take a pre-workout and end up killing it instead or skipping or skimping.
lmfao.
asshole.
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Pepsi Max is the best Pre-Workout and all day drink!
Pepsi Max only has around 68 milligrams of caffeine so its useless as a pre workout unless you dont drink coffee at all.
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No, I don't take pre-workouts of stimulants.
I just mean that often have the best workouts when I feel "tired". It doesn't make sense but it happens most of the time.
This is one of the reasons that I don't take stims.
I've noticed the same thing... Very interesting
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this is how I look at it.
instead of using a fat burner for energy which leaves me rocked for 4 hrs I'll use a pwo that's in and out in half the time. added upside over coffee is that the cost is similar and you also get the added bonus of running a good pump which usually finds me training longer. plus some have other incidentals like creatine and aminos.
all for usually a buck or less a serving. if your dragging ass and don't have a sensitivity to stims like Calvin I think the question more becomes why wouldn't you take one instead of why would you.
i had a buddy who grabbed a cup of sheetz coffee on the way to the gym every time. ended up spending more in the long haul.
i'll take my GNC Ravage, thanks.
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for me when i'm going to the gym after work all drained from doing all the us diplomacy in cuba
taking 200mg caffeine can make the difference between struggling with 100kg or pumping out 130kg on the close grip bench
no doubt about it, stimulants are very real
no placebo
US diplomats have compulsory dope testing , don't U know that ;D
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US diplomats have compulsory dope testing , don't U know that ;D
he is a 100% naturola athlete.
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It's not non-sense. If you are tired and not into training, then take a good pre-workout. It'll help you be more "into" you're training, get a better pump (if it's a good product), and you'll train longer.
Basically, on days I feel like skipping the gym or being lazy on leg day, I take a pre-workout and end up killing it instead or skipping or skimping.
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I agree with you P.J. as I go directly to work out AFTER work, so I absolutely need the boost- 15 to 20 minutes after I take it I'm literally tearing up the weights...
If I didn't take it, I'd just be cruising thru a mediocre workout!!
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Pre workouts are not necessary if you have the extra cash then go for it or just drink a strong cup of coffee, one pre workout that I have used that I would recommend is C4 because it not only gets you hyped up but it gives you incredible focus and make you zoned out in the gym.
If you really have the cash do some coke and mibolerone. Or amphetamine. Better intensity same dick shrinking effect and lots of anxiety as a bonus. Plus you think you could lift a bus.
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This should be moved to the Nutrition, product and supplement section.
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No One, answer this you asshole. My gains and cuts are on the line here bro >:(
No One please chime in on this question as well:
Say I'm dieting/cutting on a set number of macros, would it make sense to use this product and reduce my carbs from some other meal, or would my carbs be better spent on my usual sweet potatoes/rice that I have pre and post workout?
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No One, answer this you asshole. My gains and cuts are on the line here bro >:(
sorry buddy I missed that.
k imo if your running a deficit it really doesn't matter what type of carb your going to ingest esp if it's 30grams before you train as it's going to get burned off anyway. it's a non impact at this point.
so then if they are both the same type of energy source w the same end result is say use the pre workout. there more upside at this point now it your dragging ass as you a have greater drive to train, will prolly train harder and a lot of times these pwo also act as an appetite supresssant as well.
if you believe that those two 30 gram carb sources are the same impact then logically it's a no brainer.
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sorry buddy I missed that.
k imo if your running a deficit it really doesn't matter what type of carb your going to ingest esp if it's 30grams before you train as it's going to get burned off anyway. it's a non impact at this point.
so then if they are both the same type of energy source w the same end result is say use the pre workout. there more upside at this point now as you a have greater drive to train, will prolly train harder and a lot of times these pwo also act as an appetite supresssant as well.
if you believe that those two 30 gram carb sources are the same impact then logically it's a no brainer.
This is what my gut feeling says as well but I'm glad I could run it by you. Thanks for your input, very appreciated as you are one of the larger men here.
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This is what my gut feeling says as well but I'm glad I could run it by you. Thanks for your input, very appreciated as you are one of the larger men here.
haha 'larger men'. good thing you ask hulkotron as being a large man he doesn't concern himself w the affairs of those smaller than himself. :D
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actually I'm going to add this here as it might generate some good discussion.
I wanted to add as an addendum to my post that what path you take depends on your school of thought. if you believe that in a deficit most carbs will be treated pretty much the same- used for fuel and non impacting then you are good to go w the pwo.
if you believe all carbs are not created the same and that even in a deficit 'bad carbs' can impact you then you gotta stay the course.
but honestly dude nobody that stands by the some carbs are better than others can't provide a shred of proof as to why they are. lol it's a fuel. fuel gets burned. excess fuel gets stored. it's so simple but everyone wants to make it so complex.
maybe MAYBE in a surplus the type of carb can fuck you up but honestly your running a surplus your going to get fat regardless of what's going on w your insulin lol
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actually I'm going to add this here as it might generate some good discussion.
I wanted to add as an addendum to my post that what path you take depends on your school of thought. if you believe that in a deficit most carbs will be treated pretty much the same- used for fuel and non impacting then you are good to go w the pwo.
if you believe all carbs are not created the same and that even in a deficit 'bad carbs' can impact you then you gotta stay the course.
but honestly dude nobody that stands by the some carbs are better than others can't provide a shred of proof as to why they are. lol it's a fuel. fuel gets burned. excess fuel gets stored. it's so simple but everyone wants to make it so complex.
maybe MAYBE in a surplus the type of carb can fuck you up but honestly your running a surplus your going to get fat regardless of what's going on w your insulin lol
except when the surplus is going straight to the muscles growth
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except when the surplus is going straight to the muscles growth
;D
explain to me how a calorie surplus makes your 'muscles bigger' when the only macro responsible for tissue accumulation is protein.
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Rock star sugar free, 3 x 8mg kaizen ephedrine (and 1/4 an A-bomb, optional )
this is intense
i take 1 kaizen ephedrina tablet + 1 caffein tablet
and i feel like im on crack
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explain to me how a calorie surplus makes your 'muscles bigger' when the only macro responsible for tissue accumulation is protein.
As I understand it, some diets cause muscle glycogen and water to be depleted which gives the appearance of smaller muscles.
Once carbs and calories are returned to normal, glycogen and water return to the muscle giving the impression of muscle "growth".
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explain to me how a calorie surplus makes your 'muscles bigger' when the only macro responsible for tissue accumulation is protein.
without a surplus the body will convert the protein to glucose to burn as energy
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without a surplus the body will convert the protein to glucose to burn as energy
200gms of protein is 800 cals
Thats enough protein for anyone.
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200gms of protein is 800 cals
Thats enough protein for anyone.
including protein in rice, pasta, etc ?
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without a surplus the body will convert the protein to glucose to burn as energy
bullshit and broscience.
in an ultra low cal diet when training hard any protein that is taken in that the body needs for repair age regeneration is use solely for that purpose. gluconeogenisis does not occur in this instance. that is why people find that even in an ultra low cal rotation they are able to not only maintain tissue but in some instances gain tissue given certain variables.
the only thing that creates tissue in a surplus or a deficit is protein. how much your body needs is dependent upon demand but any protein needed is used solely for that purpose. if there is a protein surplus gluconeogenisis may take place but not before initial demands are met.
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bullshit and broscience.
in an ultra low cal diet when training hard any protein that is taken in that the body needs for repair age regeneration is use solely for that purpose. gluconeogenisis does not occur in this instance. that is why people find that even in an ultra low cal rotation they are able to not only maintain tissue but in some instances gain tissue given certain variables.
the only thing that creates tissue in a surplus or a deficit is protein. how much your body needs is dependent upon demand but any protein needed is used solely for that purpose. if there is a protein surplus gluconeogenisis may take place but not before initial demands are met.
so why are there so many twinks on 300grams of protein and still twinks?
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so why are there so many twinks on 300grams of protein and still twinks?
natty?
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so why are there so many twinks on 300grams of protein and still twinks?
that is why people find that even in an ultra low cal rotation they are able to not only maintain tissue but in some instances gain tissue given certain variables.
natty?
think this abt covers it.
regardless. what does your statement/ question have to do with my rebuttal of your post regarding protein being used for glycogen.
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as an aside anabolo's observation makes a strong case for the over consumption of protein but this is another debate :D
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as an aside anabolo's observation makes a strong case for the over consumption of protein but this is another debate :D
I wanna hear your take on this bro.
New thread time!
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I wanna hear your take on this bro.
New thread time!
imagine we are wasting our kidneys on excess protein when we could be using them for more juice
smh
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imagine we are wasting our kidneys on excess protein when we could be using them for more juice
smh
Maybe doctors will one day think of a way to transplant a 3rd kidney into bodybuilders.
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I wanna hear your take on this bro.
New thread time!
im on my way out to watch football at my bros but i'll give some food for thought cause i know how antsy you get when you think you might be going catabolic :D
for the past, what, 20-30 years supplement companies have made billions perhaps on the sale of protein powders? with everything else online and in gyms, the 'common knowledge' is 1 gram per lb of bodyweight. nobody ever questions common knowledge. thats why when gal and i came out w our book the idea of ultra low cal dieting and fasting was preposterous- its was 'common knowledge' this kind of dieting would result in a very noticeable decrease in lean tissue, which we've, and others who have tried it, have more than proven thats just bullshit.
thats the beauty of 'common knowledge' for supp companies- they dont even have to sell it- its common knowledge you need a ton of protein and everyone blindly drinks the koolaid, like they do with all the other tidbits of common knowledge we all follow and never stop to ask why or question it. holy fuck dont question common knowledge. :D
so we get locked into the mentality that we NEED x amount of protein . you'll go catabolic. you'll minimize gains, the muscle wont repair blah blah blah.
lets use halos example of the natty eating 300 grams of protein a day. why? as a natty what the fuck do you need that much protein for? IF you needed that much protein why is it after a certain amount of time training your gains slow to a crawl? you dont grow anymore. thats simple fact. negligible improvements. every natty whos has trained truly clean will tell you this happens.
if the amount of protein consumption was the key for tissue growth, why cant the natty keep growing? the stimulus is there. the repair is there. the protein is there. everything you need to do you are doing but the gains stop. but yet every natty continues to pound down ludicrous amounts of protein that is doing NOTHING to keep him gaining tissue.
then i guess the amount protein isnt the key, is it.
now in an enhanced bber does this change? i would have to say yes. in the natty once you hit that genetic set point you are fucked. might as well relegated yourself to knowing the biggest you are now is the biggest your ever going to be, so just improve what you have. the anabolics user kinda gives credence to needing a certain amount of protein continually whereas the natty doesnt since as long as you increase the dose, you keep growing. so the ability to create tissue beyond your genetic set point using anabolics shows a correlation to protein intake. once you stop creating tissue, why are nattys eating 300 grams of goddamn protein a day? has anyone stopped to say 'fuck, why am i doing this anyway?' no. they havent cause you dont question common knowledge.
common knowledge keeps us afraid to step outside the box and try something different.
so, ask yourself, why do you eat the amount of protein you eat?
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not one reply in 3 days.
if you guys cant see as bbers the benefits of being able to shave off cals from unnecessary protein intake while dieting im not going to bother spelling it out.
fuck some days i wonder why i waste my time posting the shit i do. now i get why gal left. lol