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Title: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 04:35:00 AM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.



Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: TrueGrit on October 23, 2014, 04:36:29 AM
I can't click on that albino deer thread. The title upsets me enough.
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Post by: muscleman-2013 on October 23, 2014, 04:36:48 AM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.





Most people today are heavily controlled by Satanic forces without being conscious of it.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Croatch on October 23, 2014, 04:38:42 AM
Maybe his parents were assholes?  Ever consider that.
People always assume the perpetrator is entirely at fault.
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Post by: TrueGrit on October 23, 2014, 04:39:32 AM
He wanted a playstation, he got a dressing gown.
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Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 04:40:07 AM
Maybe his parents were assholes?  Ever consider that.
People always assume the perpetrator is entirely at fault.

I know them, my Dad was talking to them yesterday. Decent people.
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Post by: muscleman-2013 on October 23, 2014, 04:40:16 AM
drugs
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Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 04:43:14 AM
caffeine is a drug I think that's a silly statement.
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Post by: Croatch on October 23, 2014, 04:43:24 AM
I know them, my Dad was talking to them yesterday. Decent people.
I won't say they weren't, but nobody really knows someone's relationship with their folks...but them.
Seems a little drastic though of course...haha
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Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 04:44:39 AM
its not kevthekid from the other thread is it?
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Post by: muscleman-2013 on October 23, 2014, 04:45:57 AM
caffeine is a drug I think that's a silly statement.

cracking jokes over your dead neighbors, classy
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Post by: BigCyp on October 23, 2014, 04:46:38 AM
its not kevthekid from the other thread is it?

Lol
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 04:46:59 AM
I won't say they weren't, but nobody really knows someone's relationship with their folks...but them.
Seems a little drastic though of course...haha

he could have been the son who got the rejection, I don't know him, he is arrested now.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 04:48:09 AM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.




Did he shoot them both through a bathroom door from a kneeling position?

He may have got the idea from the news.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 04:48:39 AM
cracking jokes over your dead neighbors, classy

that was a response to your drugs statement you fool what you smokin
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Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 04:49:44 AM
Did he shoot them both through a bathroom door from a kneeling position?

He may have got the idea from the news.

multiple wounds is all we were told.
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Post by: Kwon_2 on October 23, 2014, 05:30:47 AM
Most people today are heavily controlled by Satanic forces without being conscious of it.

Was that Elliot-guy that killed his classmates controlled by Shaitanic Forces or was he just bitter?
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: affeman on October 23, 2014, 05:32:11 AM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.





possessed.......or broke :D

A broke man would do anything
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Your Average GymRat on October 23, 2014, 05:36:40 AM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.




The only tragedy here is that he didn't take your potato eating ass out as well.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: King Shizzo on October 23, 2014, 05:43:43 AM
Ban sons.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 05:44:26 AM
Ban sons.
Has your father hacked your account?
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Post by: BigCyp on October 23, 2014, 05:45:47 AM
Has your father hacked your account?

No, his sons came back from the future to try and prevent their own miserable existence.
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Post by: Dokey111 on October 23, 2014, 05:47:01 AM
was the kid adopted
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Post by: heenok on October 23, 2014, 05:48:40 AM
probably roid rage
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Post by: Sokolsky on October 23, 2014, 05:49:11 AM
I know them, my Dad was talking to them yesterday. Decent people.

The Fritzl's were also considered decent people, funny how that one worked out right?

Easy to judge without knowing all the facts  ::)
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Post by: _bruce_ on October 23, 2014, 05:49:51 AM
1. evil is real and has a mission
2. never let your guard down around adopted kids
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Post by: Mitch on October 23, 2014, 05:51:32 AM
maybe the kid has been raped by his father 65 years ago?
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: King Shizzo on October 23, 2014, 05:53:25 AM
Has your father hacked your account?
Ban assholes.
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Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 05:57:13 AM
Ban assholes.
yep, he definitely has hacked it, hi father shizzo.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Natural Man on October 23, 2014, 05:58:54 AM
Kids are a product of their environment.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 06:07:47 AM
not adopted, one of two sons.

a hatchet was discovered at the scene.

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
Kids are a product of their environment.
Behaviours are a product of environment
Kids are a product of procreation
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Post by: Radical Plato on October 23, 2014, 06:52:23 AM
I know them, my Dad was talking to them yesterday. Decent people.
Maybe decent to you, how they parent children is another thing.  My grandfather was loved by all but was a complete CUN_T to his family.  Everyone in his family HATED and despised him, but the local community thought he was a swell guy.  You never know what goes on behind closed doors.
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Post by: Tapeworm on October 23, 2014, 06:59:04 AM
LxWxH of evil?  Is it bigger than a breadbox?
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Post by: Antonio fella on October 23, 2014, 07:07:14 AM
I know them, my Dad was talking to them yesterday. Decent people.

You live with your dad? I mean nothing wrong with that just curious...

Need more details on the story: motive? How much did he bench, did he even lift? Size of his co
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: falco on October 23, 2014, 07:21:54 AM
More than a decade ago a 16yo kid in a nearby town from where i live butched their parent with a axe.
Since he was a minor and claimed he was "out of himself" like posessed or some crap like that he only stayed in juvenile detention for 5 years give or take.
Once out, he gave a tv interview about the incident. The fucker was pure evil, i could see it in his eyes.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: calfzilla on October 23, 2014, 07:24:33 AM
Lol

X2  ;D
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Post by: Parker on October 23, 2014, 07:32:59 AM
Maybe decent to you, how they parent children is another thing.  My grandfather was loved by all but was a complete CUN_T to his family.  Everyone in his family HATED and despised him, but the local community thought he was a swell guy.  You never know what goes on behind closed doors.
So, that can play out several ways. He raised some bad kids, and the children can come back and returned the favor.  A Man who raises respectful kids with love and discipline and guidance, will not have a family that hates him. Or a child who wants to kill him.
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Post by: Natural Man on October 23, 2014, 07:37:41 AM
Maybe decent to you, how they parent children is another thing.  My grandfather was loved by all but was a complete CUN_T to his family.  Everyone in his family HATED and despised him, but the local community thought he was a swell guy.  You never know what goes on behind closed doors.
/end of thread.


More than a decade ago a 16yo kid in a nearby town from where i live butched their parent with a axe.
Since he was a minor and claimed he was "out of himself" like posessed or some crap like that he only stayed in juvenile detention for 5 years give or take.
Once out, he gave a tv interview about the incident. The fucker was pure evil, i could see it in his eyes.
Yeah, and his parents absolutely had 0 to do with it..
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: the trainer on October 23, 2014, 07:38:48 AM
Death for humanity.

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Post by: deceiver on October 23, 2014, 07:51:07 AM
Not posessed, just fucked up in the head. And his parents more than likely played crucial role in that so in a way, they got what was comming for them.

There was a guy from my high school - fat, curly long hair, quite smart, but nothing exceptional for my school. It was "elite" high school with dormitory where kids who were out of town lived during semester. I didn't know him very well, my best friend at the time knew him better - he played counter strike with him on LAN in the dorm. He was a typical childish fatso that was never anything out of the ordinary.

When he graduated he started studying in another city, even more distant from his home town. That alone should tell you something - such urge from the young age to run away from your home tells you it must have been dysfunctional. Surprise, surprise, guy turned out to be gay. He found some old gay lover and decided to tell his parents all about it. They weren't so happy about their son being fucked by some old dude.

He bought axe in city where he studied and during winter break or whatever, came back home with it. When his parents fell asleep he butchered them with that axe and then called the cops.

His grandparents defended him until the very end. You see, he was the only child in this family. They claimed it must have been someone else even though their grandson admitted the killings. It was a small town where everyone knew everyone. Despite that, no one has ever said anything bad about this family before or after the incident. They simply had no idea.

There are no ways to prevent such events. Psychology is a bad joke. Dozen of pro psychologists took care of Elliot Rodger and they haven't seen what was comming. They are fucking AWESOME at explaining why someone did something after the fact, especially in front of the cameras so they can shine with their "intellect" and "professional opinions". Situations like these are very rare, number of casualties is very low and you can't do much to prevent without giving up our freedom. It's like getting hit by a car. Shit happens, move on.
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Post by: King Shizzo on October 23, 2014, 08:02:47 AM
My old town is where that kid killed his parents because they told him he couldn't have a party.

So he kills them, and has the party with the dead parents still in the bedroom.
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Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 08:57:30 AM
You live with your dad? I mean nothing wrong with that just curious...

Need more details on the story: motive? How much did he bench, did he even lift? Size of his co

nope but he's a few miles away. In America it seems common for children and parents to only meet up on special occasions.

I had him on a weights program for a while.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 09:02:43 AM
I can't click on that albino deer thread. The title upsets me enough.

The slaughtered elephant picture in that thread is the worst.  Utterly disgusting.
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Post by: Sokolsky on October 23, 2014, 09:10:27 AM
Death for humanity.



Would've been better if it had been a FPS game
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Post by: Nails on October 23, 2014, 09:10:50 AM
Muslims  ???
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Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.





What do you mean possessed? By an evil spirit or a demon?

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 09:16:08 AM
What do you mean possessed? By an evil spirit or a demon?



Yes.

Have you watched Thy Will be Done?

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Post by: Nails on October 23, 2014, 09:22:33 AM
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Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
Yes.

Have you watched Thy Will be Done?



Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 09:34:03 AM
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.

I believe it can be both the dark side of human nature as you say and in certain cases possession or influence by subtle malevolent spirits.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
I believe it can be both the dark side of human nature as you say and in certain cases possession or influence by subtle malevolent spirits.

I would argue that if a malevolent spirit existed it would be out of a job.  Humans are capable of committing the most horrendously grotesques  acts on their own and don't need the influence of spirits.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 09:36:38 AM
Yes.

Have you watched Thy Will be Done?



youre a moron. with all we know youre saying this man is possessed. get a grip in reality.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Parker on October 23, 2014, 09:37:41 AM
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.
I think both can exist together. Can a positive force work through "good" actions? Can a negative force work through "bad" actions?
Even in our society today we cannot accept our "dark passenger" as Dexter would call it. Humankind is capable of some of the most wicked acts imaginable, and still thinking up more. Yet, we are capable of goodness...and sometimes within that goodness, we have to do acts that are deemed "evil" if done by lesser men and women. Killing, maiming, torturing, etc.

Think of the irony that the soldier who kills on the battle field, or the man who kills his daughter's rapist and killer is considered a just and righteous man? Whereas the person who committed said acts, and uses the same form of violence is considered "evil" and a "monster" (and rightly so)?

Humans, so complex are we.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 09:38:09 AM
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.

Bigro is either the biggest troll out there or the biggest idiot.

enough with this possession nonsense. we are not living in the dark ages.

people like bigro need to grow up.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 09:39:37 AM
I think both can exist together. Can a positive force work through "good" actions? Can a negative force work through "bad" actions?
Even in our society today we cannot accept our "dark passenger" as Dexter would call it. Humankind is capable of some of the most wicked acts imaginable, and still thinking up more. Yet, we are capable of goodness...and sometimes within that goodness, we have to do acts that are deemed "evil" if done by lesser men and women. Killing, maiming, torturing, etc.

Think of the irony that the soldier who kills on the battle field, or the man who kills his daughter's rapist and killer is considered a just and righteous man? Whereas the person who committed said acts, and uses the same form of violence is considered "evil" and a "monster" (and rightly so)?

Humans, so complex are we.

Prove that its both? There is no evidence to suggest that this man is possessed or that its demonic spirits.

Let this silly nonsense go already.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 09:43:54 AM
Words like spirits, possession and evil are throwbacks to a time when man anthropomorphized natural phenomenon like the weather. 
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Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 09:49:33 AM
All brain chemistry and learnt behavior...Evil can be fixed by science and programming...
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Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
youre a moron. with all we know youre saying this man is possessed. get a grip in reality.

what you call reality, how do you know that is all there is to it? You cant really prove the non-existence of spirit, spirit world etc, oh and your the one who needs to grow up, at least debate a topic instead of attacking me.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 09:54:01 AM
All brain chemistry and learnt behavior...Evil can be fixed by science and programming...

another know it all materialist.
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Post by: Parker on October 23, 2014, 09:54:10 AM
Prove that its both? There is no evidence to suggest that this man is possessed or that its demonic spirits.

Let this silly nonsense go already.
Can one have a cold and another illness at the same time? Can having another illness weaken you for something else? Sometimes i dont always subscribe to a "only one cause". There are many things I don't understand nor answer and the concept of "some manevolent force" influencing or working within "evil acts" is one of those things.
 But, in terms of this incident, no I think he was someone who didn't give a damn and did what he wanted to do. And we can probably see it in the family history. And I agree that there is no evidence to say that this man is possessed, or a demon had his way and was in the driver's seat of this meat suit.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 09:59:45 AM

Can one have a cold and another illness at the same time? Can having another illness weaken you for something else? Sometimes i dont always subscribe to a "only one cause". There are many things I don't understand nor answer and the concept of "some manevolent force" influencing or working within "evil acts" is one of those things.
 But, in terms of this incident, no I think he was someone who didn't give a damn and did what he wanted to do. And we can probably see it in the family history. And I agree that there is no evidence to say that this man is possessed, or a demon had his way and was in the driver's seat of this meat suit.

I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Parker on October 23, 2014, 10:06:46 AM
I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description


He was possessed with the thought of it. As someone said, you don't know what what going on in that house, or what type of meds he was on, or was supposed to take. Or if he got into the drug scene.
You don't know if the parents abused him, or he had a grudge...wasn't left any inheritance money.
Or if they were "soft" parents who accepted disrespectful behavior from him. There are any number of reasons for him going off.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description



Some human beings are just horrible.
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Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 12:18:06 PM
Can one have a cold and another illness at the same time? Can having another illness weaken you for something else? Sometimes i dont always subscribe to a "only one cause". There are many things I don't understand nor answer and the concept of "some manevolent force" influencing or working within "evil acts" is one of those things.
 But, in terms of this incident, no I think he was someone who didn't give a damn and did what he wanted to do. And we can probably see it in the family history. And I agree that there is no evidence to say that this man is possessed, or a demon had his way and was in the driver's seat of this meat suit.

The root to these murderers could be MANY causes, however, one of them is NOT possession or some evil spirits.

Yes, there are many things I do not understand either. However, I do not jump to silly metaphysical claims. It's a logical fallacy to think because X cant be known, it has to be something metaphysical. Again, fallacious thinking.

So, no it is not a malevolent force, such as demonic possession or evil spirits. There is no evidence to suggest its an evil force, nor has it ever been proven that such things exist. Until you can prove it, its all talk.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 23, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
The Fritzl's were also considered decent people, funny how that one worked out right?

Easy to judge without knowing all the facts  ::)


x2
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
The guy was out for a walk when he was caught. He has no recollection of what he did.

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: phil mcgroin on October 23, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Maybe his parents were assholes?  Ever consider that.
People always assume the perpetrator is entirely at fault.






  A very real point
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 01:10:12 PM
the parents were lovely people I know a bad person when I see one. This son has been in a dark place for sometime.
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Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 01:12:29 PM
the parents were lovely people I know a bad person when I see one. This son has been in a dark place for sometime.
Did they lock him in the cellar?
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Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 01:13:50 PM
haha you know what I mean
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Post by: The Ugly on October 23, 2014, 01:15:57 PM
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.

Another fantastic post, Arch. Call it what you want, but some are simply born bad. The Bulger murder in Merseyville makes this fairly evident.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Another fantastic post, Arch. Call it what you want, but some are simply born bad. The Bulger murder in Merseyville makes this fairly evident.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger



I remember this case and its a brutal one  I agree, those kids were born bad. They are still out there.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Ugly on October 23, 2014, 01:25:01 PM
I remember this case and its a brutal one  I agree, those kids were born bad. They are still out there.

Yep, new identities and all. No harm, no foul.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 01:30:00 PM
I remember this case and its a brutal one  I agree, those kids were born bad. They are still out there.

genetics is a bitch!!
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 01:31:55 PM
Reminds me of Mary Bell.   Something went wrong very early.  Demon, alien, lochness monster?  You be the judge.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Ugly on October 23, 2014, 01:37:35 PM
Reminds me of Mary Bell.   Something went wrong very early.  Demon, alien, lochness monster?  You be the judge.

12 years for 2 toddlers. Justice served.
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Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 01:39:56 PM
The guy was out for a walk when he was caught. He has no recollection of what he did.



A friend of mine took 3 Ambien one night and went to bed. When he woke up he was on a bench on Main st. of his city. Didn't remember a thing. Black outs happen all the time. There's a medical reason for them. Usually booze...
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 01:44:49 PM
yeah people black out and hack their parents to death in their bed all the time
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Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 01:44:58 PM
12 years for 2 toddlers. Justice served.

Isn't Bell out there somewhere too?
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Ugly on October 23, 2014, 01:45:46 PM
Isn't Bell out there somewhere too?

Same as the others, new identity.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 01:47:39 PM
Millions of people have Schizophrenia where a lot of them hear voices and are told to do awful acts to people. Most even when hearing these "voices" don't act on them. People who abuse certain drugs(meth being one)can induce schizophrenic delusions in their brain...I believe Hitler was a person who abused meth.
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Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
Millions of people have Schizophrenia where a lot of them hear voices and are told to do awful acts to people. Most even when hearing these "voices" don't act on them. People who abuse certain drugs(meth being one)can induce schizophrenic delusions in their brain...I believe Hitler was a person who abused meth.
isn't it odd when Schizophrenics hear voices they are never telling them what to say in job interviews.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 01:52:13 PM
Millions of people have Schizophrenia where a lot of them hear voices and are told to do awful acts to people. Most even when hearing these "voices" don't act on them. People who abuse certain drugs(meth being one)can induce schizophrenic delusions in their brain...I believe Hitler was a person who abused meth.

I accept what you say however I do not accept that everything can be explained in medical or psychological terms. I think those voices can often come from outside the brain box.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 01:53:18 PM
isn't it odd when Schizophrenics hear voices they are never telling them what to say in job interviews.

haha so true
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: SF1900 on October 23, 2014, 01:54:07 PM
isn't it odd when Schizophrenics hear voices they are never telling them what to say in job interviews.

or the correct answers on a test.  :D
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: calfzilla on October 23, 2014, 01:56:10 PM
Big Ro clearly has a great relationship with his parents. Through his eyes he can't see how this could happen. Those of us with more volatile relationships with our parents understand this although don't condone.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 01:57:07 PM
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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Parker on October 23, 2014, 01:59:24 PM
Reminds me of Lizzy Borden.   Something went wrong very early.  Abusive Parents, grudge, not being able to marry the young man down the street?  You be the judge.
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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
Found this interesting. Worth the hour to watch when any of you have time...

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
Big Ro clearly has a great relationship with his parents. Through his eyes he can't see how this could happen. Those of us with more volatile relationships with our parents understand this although don't condone.

Mine was not perfect but I am very loving and live in the moment, we have all grown closer over time.

I know well that many have volatile relationships with their parents I don't question that. What I do question is the frame of mind that carried out the murder, to go from innocent to a madman and back to innocent, what was flooding through his being while hacking away?
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: calfzilla on October 23, 2014, 02:11:40 PM
I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description



Quite easily after a lifetime of abuse, trauma and or mental anguish.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 23, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
This Russian Sleep experiment may have been embellished. Still interesting...

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Archer77 on October 23, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
isn't it odd when Schizophrenics hear voices they are never telling them what to say in job interviews.

And its never anything positive or productive like help a little old lady across the street or remember to call your mother.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Lustral on October 23, 2014, 05:59:42 PM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.





Knew you were from donegal didn't know that close. Didn't say it was son on news.

Don't get how it can shock a community like they always say. Had three murders near me in past year, one was a neighbour of a friend. It is shit but noone is shocked.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 23, 2014, 06:43:26 PM
what you call reality, how do you know that is all there is to it? You cant really prove the non-existence of spirit, spirit world etc, oh and your the one who needs to grow up, at least debate a topic instead of attacking me.
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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 24, 2014, 01:41:11 AM
prove the non-existence of spirit ^ oh ok you dont have to by this "logic"  ::)
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 24, 2014, 01:44:21 AM
Knew you were from donegal didn't know that close. Didn't say it was son on news.

Don't get how it can shock a community like they always say. Had three murders near me in past year, one was a neighbour of a friend. It is shit but noone is shocked.

I think Bray is a bit different than Carndonagh. You guys are used to crime. Its not so much people were killed its that we know who did it and the method used.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: muscleman-2013 on October 24, 2014, 01:44:43 AM
Why are athiests so "angry" about that concept of the spirit?  Massive insecurity?
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: jr on October 24, 2014, 01:50:30 AM
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 24, 2014, 01:55:40 AM
Why are athiests so "angry" about that concept of the spirit?  Massive insecurity?

they are more anti theist than atheist. Its militant.

Not going to listen to this fool in the video. This man does not meditate, that would be devil worship.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 24, 2014, 02:15:18 AM
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/10/24/builders-shock-at-discovery-of-bodies-of-elderly-couple-in-carndonagh-tragedy/
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 04:02:25 AM
prove the non-existence of spirit ^ oh ok you dont have to by this "logic"  ::)
You really aren't too bright are you!  You are incapable of offering evidence for your claim and yet expect those who request such evidence to provide evidence to the contrary.   The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim.  Hope this helps !!
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 04:03:49 AM
Why are athiests so "angry" about that concept of the spirit?  Massive insecurity?
There not angry, just tired of waiting for those who make such wild claims to provide evidence.  I imagine the wait for such proof may be an eternity.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 24, 2014, 04:20:42 AM
To know one has to experience for themselves, the proof cannot be measured by scientific instruments or logic, there are methods to attain knowledge of spirit, blast me all you want but that is what the yogis, saint,sages and mystics, true philosophers for thousands of years would tell you. You will probably call them all quacks too. If you don't want to use the method of finding out for yourself because you are lazy and cynical then you will never know and I can never convince you not that I am speaking from full knowledge on such matters. Plato himself would agree with me.

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: muscleman-2013 on October 24, 2014, 04:24:42 AM
There not angry, just tired of waiting for those who make such wild claims to provide evidence.  I imagine the wait for such proof may be an eternity.

Why should they provide evidence?   Are they charged with a crime?
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 05:21:58 AM
Why should they provide evidence?   Are they charged with a crime?
Evidence for their wild claim.  If evidence isn't required, them one can make any claim they like and demand others simply trust them.  Only the gullible believe in wild claims without evidence.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 05:28:03 AM
To know one has to experience for themselves, the proof cannot be measured by scientific instruments or logic, there are methods to attain knowledge of spirit, blast me all you want but that is what the yogis, saint,sages and mystics, true philosophers for thousands of years would tell you. You will probably call them all quacks too. If you don't want to use the method of finding out for yourself because you are lazy and cynical then you will never know and I can never convince you not that I am speaking from full knowledge on such matters. Plato himself would agree with me.


Yogis, saints and mystics are also frauds and don't exist in reality. And they can't be compared to philosophers, who use logic to acquire wisdom.  Any decent philosopher would be dubious about anyone who claimed some divine wisdom that was for no particular reason imparted to them and not the rest of the general population.  And stop pretending you have some secret that nobody else does, if such transcendent wisdom had a 'METHOD' that anyone could easily use then everyone would just simply apply it and tap into the spirit realm.  People such as yourself just look like fools with your ridiculous and obviously fraudulent claims. 
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: BigRo on October 24, 2014, 06:03:35 AM
Yogis, saints and mystics are also frauds and don't exist in reality. And they can't be compared to philosophers, who use logic to acquire wisdom.  Any decent philosopher would be dubious about anyone who claimed some divine wisdom that was for no particular reason imparted to them and not the rest of the general population.  And stop pretending you have some secret that nobody else does, if such transcendent wisdom had a 'METHOD' that anyone could easily use then everyone would just simply apply it and tap into the spirit realm.  People such as yourself just look like fools with your ridiculous and obviously fraudulent claims. 

whatever, I am tired of arguing with the likes of you.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Ronnie Rep on October 24, 2014, 06:17:40 AM
I would argue that if a malevolent spirit existed it would be out of a job.  Humans are capable of committing the most horrendously grotesques  acts on their own and don't need the influence of spirits.
This, usually with mental illness and or drugs playing a big part in in those acts.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: King Shizzo on October 24, 2014, 06:37:41 AM
BigRo would have been at home living in the time of the Druids.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 06:41:50 AM
Does God exist?
If you care about evidence, NO God does not exist.  Hope this helps.  If you like comforting fairy tales and are OK with living an illusory life, then YES God exists.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 06:46:04 AM
whatever, I am tired of arguing with the likes of you.
Nothing a few prayers, a little meditation and a talk with your guardian angel won't fix.  ::)
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Scott on October 24, 2014, 06:48:02 AM
Yes Virginia.  Evil does exist in this world.  Its called "Islam".  

I'm not just here to help, I'm here to tell the truth.  Anything less is just being helpless.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: muscleman-2013 on October 24, 2014, 06:51:56 AM
Yes Virginia.  Evil does exist in this world.  Its called "Islam".  

I'm not just here to help, I'm here to tell the truth.  Anything less is just being helpless.

Yes, it's an actual real life devil worship cult.  Their passionate love of their child rapist prophet is something you couldn't make up.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Scott on October 24, 2014, 07:03:30 AM
Yes, it's an actual real life devil worship cult.  Their passionate love of their child rapist prophet is something you couldn't make up.

Yup.  They're a bunch of misogynistic pedophiles.  Any that doubt this need only look at how they treat their women, and as for their rampant pedophilia?

Two words:  "Chai Boy". 

Anyone that supports Islam is a punk ass fooktard.  Dammit!  I just kickstarted my anger.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Natural Man on October 24, 2014, 08:02:00 AM
Yogis, saints and mystics are also frauds and don't exist in reality. And they can't be compared to philosophers, who use logic to acquire wisdom.  Any decent philosopher would be dubious about anyone who claimed some divine wisdom that was for no particular reason imparted to them and not the rest of the general population.  And stop pretending you have some secret that nobody else does, if such transcendent wisdom had a 'METHOD' that anyone could easily use then everyone would just simply apply it and tap into the spirit realm.  People such as yourself just look like fools with your ridiculous and obviously fraudulent claims.  
You re mostly right, but i'd add philosophers like kant, nietzsche, zapffe, sartre, spengler , camus and countless others came to the conclusion life is intrinsically meaningless, somewhat just like religious/spiritual mystics, and both have shit to sell to other people in order to make a living. They re the same breed. Fact is we all need to sell something we produce to insure our own survival. These people produce thoughts and writings suposed to make others feel less miserable about their animal condition.

A mystic or religious person sells dreams / bullshits to other weaker minded people to make a living, just like a philosopher does.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: B_B_C on October 24, 2014, 08:05:22 AM
If you care about evidence, NO God does not exist.  Hope this helps.  If you like comforting fairy tales and are OK with living an illusory life, then YES God exists.
then perhaps you should tell  the US central bank as the US dollar proclaims its trust in God
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: jr on October 24, 2014, 01:06:26 PM
God was created in mans mind.

I don't think that's enough to make god real outside the mind.

God of the religions seems to only concern himself with humans beings on Earth.

The fact of the matter is that human beings are animals that are slightly more intelligent than chimpanzees.

We are nothing special. We are not any better or worse than a cockroach.

Why doesn't god care much about the rest of the vast universe and other possible intelligent lifeforms.

I think it is because at the time man created god, they had no knowledge or understanding of the universe, and therefore these important concepts don't feature in the narrative.

But keep believing in stuff retarded people in the desert made up thousands of years ago when people were ignorant and gullible.

Cults that got out of control in popularity and have billions of followers today.

I guess some people need an invisible daddy they never had to look over, protect and comfort them, and answer their questions about the meaning of life.

As far as evil people, evil people are just people with psychological problems or are under stress to the point that they act out in ways that are not in the best interests of a functional happy society. There is nothing supernatural about it.


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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 24, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
If a man takes a hit of LSD, he may think he knows what it's like to take that drug and will speak to people as if he was some expert and how it changed his life. He may have even thought he's seen or talked to God. But he couldn't even fathom what happens to the mind when you take 10 hits or 20 hits at a time. 
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Natural Man on October 24, 2014, 02:05:23 PM
God was created in mans mind.

I don't think that's enough to make god real outside the mind.

God of the religions seems to only concern himself with humans beings on Earth.

The fact of the matter is that human beings are animals that are slightly more intelligent than chimpanzees.

We are nothing special. We are not any better or worse than a cockroach.

Why doesn't god care much about the rest of the vast universe and other possible intelligent lifeforms.

I think it is because at the time man created god, they had no knowledge or understanding of the universe, and therefore these important concepts don't feature in the narrative.

But keep believing in stuff retarded people in the desert made up thousands of years ago when people were ignorant and gullible.

Cults that got out of control in popularity and have billions of followers today.

I guess some people need an invisible daddy they never had to look over, protect and comfort them, and answer their questions about the meaning of life.

As far as evil people, evil people are just people with psychological problems or are under stress to the point that they act out in ways that are not in the best interests of a functional happy society. There is nothing supernatural about it.


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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: jr on October 24, 2014, 03:16:54 PM
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I'm on fire lately  ;D
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2014, 05:14:17 PM
You re mostly right, but i'd add philosophers like kant, nietzsche, zapffe, sartre, spengler , camus and countless others came to the conclusion life is intrinsically meaningless, somewhat just like religious/spiritual mystics, and both have shit to sell to other people in order to make a living. They re the same breed. Fact is we all need to sell something we produce to insure our own survival. These people produce thoughts and writings suposed to make others feel less miserable about their animal condition.

A mystic or religious person sells dreams / bullshits to other weaker minded people to make a living, just like a philosopher does.
I don't agree with that.  I don't think a philosopher is trying to sell anything, a modern day one may be able to translate their ideas into books/movies etc, but I don't believe that is the underlying motivation for choosing a philosophical thought process.  If anything, you risk pissing everyone of, Nietzsche for example, made the masses more miserable, attacking the concept of GOD, criticizing modern morality ,contemporary culture and even philosophy and science and his work even motivated the Nazis (this is debatable, as his sister reworked his unpublished ideas and put her own slant on it, often contradicting Nietzsche).  Academics don't need to sell anything to the masses to make a living, if they can land a tenured position, they are set.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Tapeworm on October 24, 2014, 07:27:49 PM
I accept what you say however I do not accept that everything can be explained in medical or psychological terms. I think those voices can often come from outside the brain box.

Better go bust this guy out of jail then.  He's a victim too.  First he gets possessed, then he loses his parents, and then a bunch of athiests throw him into jail.  It's really not this poor guy's week!



Edit: I was not responsible for this post.  The Devil made me do it.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Parker on October 24, 2014, 07:40:15 PM
Does God exist?
Ask Him, he might answer.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: B_B_C on October 25, 2014, 02:36:11 PM
Ask Him, he might answer.

she hasn't returned my call
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Natural Man on October 25, 2014, 02:40:02 PM
I don't agree with that.  I don't think a philosopher is trying to sell anything, a modern day one may be able to translate their ideas into books/movies etc, but I don't believe that is the underlying motivation for choosing a philosophical thought process.  If anything, you risk pissing everyone of, Nietzsche for example, made the masses more miserable, attacking the concept of GOD, criticizing modern morality ,contemporary culture and even philosophy and science and his work even motivated the Nazis (this is debatable, as his sister reworked his unpublished ideas and put her own slant on it, often contradicting Nietzsche).  Academics don't need to sell anything to the masses to make a living, if they can land a tenured position, they are set.

despair doesnt sell, this is why man has to invent bullshit happy endings to everything he creates.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Dokey111 on October 25, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
despair doesnt sell, this is why man has to invent bullshit happy endings to everything he creates.

Strongly disagree.  You never see a comedy win an Oscar.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Simple Simon on October 25, 2014, 02:44:34 PM
Strongly disagree.  You never see a comedy win an Oscar.
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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Dokey111 on October 25, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
I don't even know that film.  Is it a comedy?  Yes there are exceptions?  What year was that?  What was the comedy before that that won?  Stop it.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Simple Simon on October 25, 2014, 02:49:08 PM
Strongly disagree.  You never see a comedy win an Oscar.
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I don't even know that film.  Is it a comedy?  Yes there are exceptions?  What year was that?  What was the comedy before that that won?  Stop it.

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Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Parker on October 25, 2014, 02:54:18 PM
despair doesnt sell, this is why man has to invent bullshit happy endings to everything he creates.
True, but nowadays, more people wat to see movies that mimic reality, and don't have a happy ending. But, even more people want to see the happy ending. People clap, cheer for it.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Julio Ceasar on October 25, 2014, 03:07:59 PM
Happy ending? Yes please!

Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Primemuscle on October 25, 2014, 10:34:13 PM
A man and wife in their 70's were murdered at home this morning in my town, what's worse it was one of their sons that did it. Someone would really have to be possessed to do such a thing.

Reminds me of this couple from church who we used to play pinochle with. They had two adopted grown sons who were estranged from them. One of their adopted son's worked out at the gym where I do. His wife was in a program for battered women where my wife worked. This fellow went to his parents' house to steal money for drugs and ended up stabbing them. They both died. They were discovered a week later when a neighbor heard their dogs howling. Their three large dogs ate some of the couple's flesh, probably to survive. -Gruesome stuff.

When you know someone personally who is murdered, it rings too close to home and is very unsettling. You never forget it.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Primemuscle on October 25, 2014, 10:43:26 PM
Kids are a product of their environment.

We are products of our environment as well as our heredity. If one is weak the other dominates. Simply saying that someone is a product of their environment is misleading because it implies that this person has turned out poorly. Some folks who come from crappy environments go on to have very successful and happy lives. This might be because they rebelled against their bad environment or it could be because they inherited the ability to rise above a poor environment from their ancestors.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: The Ugly on October 25, 2014, 11:28:31 PM
We are products of our environment as well as our heredity. If one is weak the other dominates. Simply saying that someone is a product of their environment is misleading because it implies that this person has turned out poorly. Some folks who come from crappy environments go on to have very successful and happy lives. This might be because they rebelled against their bad environment or it could be because they inherited the ability to rise above a poor environment from their ancestors.

Opposite is true as well.
Title: Re: Evil really does exist in this World
Post by: Primemuscle on October 26, 2014, 01:18:14 PM
Opposite is true as well.

For sure. It is probably more common for folks to repeat the same mistakes their parents make then it is to go in a completely different direction. It just is a not forgone conclusion of a bad environment or a genetic predisposition.