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Title: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: _aj_ on October 26, 2014, 07:26:20 AM
The cornerstone of my back training for 20 years has been pull-ups. Some workouts getting into the low hundreds for reps. I believed Arnold that they were the way to create your "wings". Over the last few months, though, I have de-emphasized pull-ups for row variations: barbell Yates rows, db rows and chest-supported rows with pull-ups as secondary, usually only 50 or so pull-ups on an average back workout.

I have had a noticeable positive change in back width, which seems somewhat counter-intuitive. I always thought (thanks Arnold) that rows built back density and thickness, not width.

Probably also a good lesson for just being willing to experiment and to go out of a comfort zone. I had become sort of a pull-up specialist.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: shiftedShapes on October 26, 2014, 07:39:41 AM
The cornerstone of my back training for 20 years has been pull-ups. Some workouts getting into the low hundreds for reps. I believed Arnold that they were the way to create your "wings". Over the last few months, though, I have de-emphasized pull-ups for row variations: barbell Yates rows, db rows and chest-supported rows with pull-ups as secondary, usually only 50 or so pull-ups on an average back workout.

I have had a noticeable positive change in back width, which seems somewhat counter-intuitive. I always thought (thanks Arnold) that rows built back density and thickness, not width.

Probably also a good lesson for just being willing to experiment and to go out of a comfort zone. I had become sort of a pull-up specialist.

maybe this is just proof of another bro-science concept: muscle confusion, i.e. any change helps.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: Simple Simon on October 26, 2014, 07:50:41 AM
Engage the muscle with resistance exercise and will grow to its genetic limit.

It makes no difference at all what exercises you use.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 26, 2014, 07:54:07 AM
maybe this is just proof of another bro-science concept: muscle confusion, i.e. any change helps.

No such thing as muscle confusion.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: SuperTed on October 26, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
Engage the muscle with resistance exercise and will grow to its genetic limit.

It makes no difference at all what exercises you use.

X2

It's all bullshit that certain exercises will build the muscles in different ways.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: Parker on October 26, 2014, 08:10:14 AM
The cornerstone of my back training for 20 years has been pull-ups. Some workouts getting into the low hundreds for reps. I believed Arnold that they were the way to create your "wings". Over the last few months, though, I have de-emphasized pull-ups for row variations: barbell Yates rows, db rows and chest-supported rows with pull-ups as secondary, usually only 50 or so pull-ups on an average back workout.

I have had a noticeable positive change in back width, which seems somewhat counter-intuitive. I always thought (thanks Arnold) that rows built back density and thickness, not width.

Probably also a good lesson for just being willing to experiment and to go out of a comfort zone. I had become sort of a pull-up specialist.
widegrip or normal grip pull-ups? You didn't specify
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: _aj_ on October 26, 2014, 08:33:16 AM
widegrip or normal grip pull-ups? You didn't specify

Pronated, medium grip.
Neutral grip, weighted
Pull-ups on rings

These days, it's almost all ring work.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: Hulkotron on October 26, 2014, 08:38:14 AM
You can be pretty jacked just doing push-ups, pull-ups, Batman squats, and upright rows.
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: forillagorilla on October 26, 2014, 08:38:32 AM
My God there a bunch of dumbasses on this site. You will NEVER get one ounce of knowledge about diet - training - and SURELY not supplementation on THIS site.

There are proper sites for that type of information. Getbig is simply the place for the scrubs to come and bitch and moan and espouse their jealousy - and for us to come get a good laugh. I am the only one that can't keep my mouth shut - lol - the rest just laugh
Title: Re: Bodybuilding back training broscience
Post by: _aj_ on October 26, 2014, 08:46:35 AM
My God there a bunch of dumbasses on this site. You will NEVER get one ounce of knowledge about diet - training - and SURELY not supplementation on THIS site.

There are proper sites for that type of information. Getbig is simply the place for the scrubs to come and bitch and moan and espouse their jealousy - and for us to come get a good laugh. I am the only one that can't keep my mouth shut - lol - the rest just laugh

 ::)

Ok, Trainer.