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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Darren Avey on November 15, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
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His prison guard Bobby Stewart claims he benched 245lbs for ten reps at the age 13. :o
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I wonder how many full-grown keyboard warriors on these internets on grams a week of hormones can do the same?
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Tyson was in the can at 13? Impressive.
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I remember reading about Emmitt Smith.
Said that he clean and pressed 275lbs @ 14year old.
( I know it's clean&jerk but this being Getbig... )
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Tyson was in the can at 13? Impressive.
Spafford mostly, which was like baby Rikers. It was a big threat back in the 70's - 80's in New York, "Watch yourself kid, or you'll wind up in Spafford". It was like a real prison, guys getting shook for their sneakers, slashings, and the occasional rape.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-notorious-spofford-aka-bridges-juvenile-center-finally-shut-article-1.119333 .
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I remember reading about Emmitt Smith.
Said that he clean and pressed 275lbs @ 14year old.
( I know it's clean&jerk but this being Getbig... )
Emmitt was built like a tank.
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::) ya sure
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I don't buy it. That would put his max in the low 300's.....and I don't think tyson was ever even benching over 400 in his prime ???
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I don't buy it. That would put his max in the low 300's.....and I don't think tyson was ever even benching over 400 in his prime ???
Tyson's best bench in his prime was #385 or so, reported by guys that where around his training camps.
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Why would someone like Tyson make such ludicrous claims about something as irrelevant to boxing as bench press is beyond me. Isn't being one of best boxers in the history and probably most talented boxer ever enough?
I know it's "prison guard" or "guys that were around him", but doesn't that always come back to Tyson making this shit up and finding people who back it up?
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Why would someone like Tyson make such ludicrous claims about something as irrelevant to boxing as bench press is beyond me. Isn't being one of best boxers in the history and probably most talented boxer ever enough?
I know it's "prison guard" or "guys that were around him", but doesn't that always come back to Tyson making this shit up and finding people who back it up?
Bobby Stewart was a professional boxer and he was the Boxing coach at Tysons reform school. I've heard Stewart make this claim about Tyson with my own ears and I have no reason to doubt him. Tyson wasn't involved with Stewart anymore at the time he said it and had nothing to do with it. Bobby Stewart is the guy who introduced Tyson to Cus.
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Ali benched over 500 lbs...Angelo Dundee was spotting him.
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I don't buy it. That would put his max in the low 300's.....and I don't think tyson was ever even benching over 400 in his prime ???
More believable than you being heterosexual
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I count 2 gimmicks in this thread already.
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I count 2 gimmicks in this thread already.
Both are Joon
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This is just speculation maybe the prison gaurd thought 135 lbs was 270 lbs! maybe he thought the 45lb plates were 90 lbs plates because they did used to have those 90 lb paltes and they were pretty much the same size just weighed twice as much. I would say it's bullshit! Boxers are not traiined to lift alot of weight some boxers don't even have a strength and conditioning coach and if they do not all strength and conditioning cohes make their fightesr lift weights to get stronger. It's more about speed and your movement being on point, of course they do work a little bit on power but they don't do it by lifting weight. some coaches do (don't get me wrong).
Tyson was the best up and coming boxer EVER! if it were not for Mikes drug addictions and alcholism and womanizing tactics Mike tyson could of had a WAY loneger career and could of left the game undefeated but he got real lazy once he started making alot of money and having legal issues. even before he lost to Douglas Tyson would not do real strict serious fight preps! Very sad! Mike Tyson could have been the best ever instead the drugs and out of control behaviour got the best of Mike! Till this day Mike isn't right in the head!
If you guys have really seen alot of mikes training sessions as a youngster they are incredible! his head movement was crazy superior and his footwork was also crazy superior. Mike also put himself aound alot of crooked people who will get you addicted to drugs and once they get as much mooney as thy think they can they bounce! Mike Tyson to this day is a fucking wreck! doing better vthen he was 3-5 years ago but a big wreck that still needs healing!
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This is just speculation maybe the prison gaurd thought 135 lbs was 270 lbs! maybe he thought the 45lb plates were 90 lbs plates because they did used to have those 90 lb paltes and they were pretty much the same size just weighed twice as much. I would say it's bullshit! Boxers are not traiined to lift alot of weight some boxers don't even have a strength and conditioning coach and if they do not all strength and conditioning cohes make their fightesr lift weights to get stronger. It's more about spee and your movement being on point, of course they do work a little bit on power but they don;t do it by lifting weight. some coaches do (don't get me wrong).
Tyson was the best up and coming boxer EVER! if it were not for Mikes drug addictions and alcholism and womanizing tactics Mike tyson could of had a WAY lonegr career and could of left the game undefeated but he got real lazy once he started making alot of money and having legal issues. evebn before he lost to Douglas Tysons would not do real strict serious fight preps! Very sad! Mike Tyson could have been the best every instead the drugs and out of control behaviour got the best of Mike! Till this day Mike isn't right in the head!
If you guys have really seebn alot of mikes training sessions as a youngster they are incredible! his head movement was crazy superior and his footwork was also crazy superior. Mike also put himself aound alot of crooked people who will get you addicted to drugs and once they get as much mooney as thy think they can they bounce! Mike Tyson to this day is a fucking wreck! doing better vthen he was 3-5 years ago but a big wreck that still needs healing!
Agreed about the first part, but not on Tyson's potential... He was an extremely overrated marketing tool, phenomenal and exciting watching him knocking out bums in one of the worst periods for heavyweight boxing ever, but that was it...The world of boxing is full of ifs and buts, there are more boxers worthy of this "unachieved potential" talk than Tyson, in my opinion... Agree to disagree here...
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Tyson's best bench in his prime was #385 or so, reported by guys that where around his training camps.
Yah, but that's on steroids...A 220 lb guy on steroids benching 385 sucks..
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Yah, but that's on steroids...A 220 lb guy on steroids benching 385 sucks..
Er no its still pretty good
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I count 2 gimmicks in this thread already.
Not a gimmick, just new. Been lurking for a longgg time. Decided to join you crazy bastards in this looney bin.
Fuck join btw Loyalty, that's almost as bad as calling me shitzo :'(
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Tyson could only do it because he was way ahead of his mates physically relative to his age.
Dubious sources stated that he already weighed 180lbs at a mere age of 12, though the most important fact seems that he was a legit animal and a great talent....
body weight and bench press can't really quantify his greatness.
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A young motivated Mike Tyson was an animal in the ring. He was a world beater in any era. The problem is he got distracted by money and whores. By 1989 he was already bored with fighting and not at his best.
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::) After 1989 he had to fight people like HOLY and LEWIS ! Those are the reasons he lost . I love the physiologists here talking about the 23 year olds desire ! lol . He stepped up and got knocked down ! End of the story and should have been the end of the MYTH ! Its amazing how effective HBO's TYSON highlite reals have been ;)
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::) After 1989 he had to fight people like HOLY and LEWIS ! Those are the reasons he lost . I love the physiologists here talking about the 23 year olds desire ! lol . He stepped up and got knocked down ! End of the story and should have been the end of the MYTH ! Its amazing how effective HBO's TYSON highlite reals have been ;)
I watched Mike Tyson fight live when it was happening. I'm not some 15 year old kid talking shit about things he doesn't understand. I'm not basing my opinions off of fucking youtube, I was there.
Tyson did not fight the same way after he fired Kevin Rooney. The money, attention, and Robin Givens destroyed the fighter that he used to be. He did not give a shit anymore. He wasn't training properly because he had a bunch of Don King's goons in his corner. When he fought Douglas, his corner didn't even have an icepack to stop his eye from swelling. They filled a fucking condom with water and used that. That's what he was surrounding himself with and that was 1990. By the time Tyson fought Holyfield and Lewis he was a shell of his former self. He no longer moved his head at all. He walked straight in and was easy to hit. He had been in prison for an extended period of time and was really only fighting to pay off the IRS and his ex-wife. He fought Lewis in 2002 when he was 36 fucking years old. He was fat and not even in shape.
A 21 year old prime Mike Tyson and a 36 year old, fat Mike Tyson are not in the same universe as fighters. That's just common sense. If you don't understand that then you are a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about boxing. You are just another internet moron who thinks he's an expert on everything condescending people who disagree with you. Fuck you.
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Tyson was definitely a hype job. He had incredible power with good hand speed but he wasn't some kind of technical master. Plenty of fighters exceeded him in head movement and foot work. I do wish he had fought David Tua, that would've been a good fight. Btw Im not a gimmick. I'm not sure whats going on on this site but I can assure you all Im just a new poster here. I'm just here to shoot the breeze or whatever, not get into flame wars. :)
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Tyson was definitely a hype job. He had incredible power with good hand speed but he wasn't some kind of technical master. Plenty of fighters exceeded him in head movement and foot work. I do wish he had fought David Tua, that would've been a good fight. Btw Im not a gimmick. I'm not sure whats going on on this site but I can assure you all Im just a new poster here. I'm just here to shoot the breeze or whatever, not get into flame wars. :)
But he delivered hyped or not and he would destroyed you today still.
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Tyson did not fight the same way after he fired Kevin Rooney.
This. People don't really get that Tyson was not a mere brute. He was an atypical fighter for a HW. His height, reach, defense were different from every other HW of his era. Frazier was a bit similar. Once Rooney was out of the picture, Tyson's technique went downhill.
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::) After 1989 he had to fight people like HOLY and LEWIS ! Those are the reasons he lost . I love the physiologists here talking about the 23 year olds desire ! lol . He stepped up and got knocked down ! End of the story and should have been the end of the MYTH ! Its amazing how effective HBO's TYSON highlite reals have been ;)
Have to agree here... It's always the same with Tyson, the two magic words, D'Amato-Rooney, and lost desire/out of prime at 23yo, LOL... Cus D'Amato died in 1985, so before the fabled unbeatable peak of '86-'88, and Rooney was fired by Tyson himself around 1989... The truth is that he was spectacular and exciting at destroying bums, still some of them were able to take the distance, like Tillis and Green for example... Douglas dominated him left and right, except for that knockdown... Holyfield always had Tyson's numbers easily, from sparring back in the 80s, Lewis the same, although not a great fan of him, a tall rangy fighter with great jab and power was a nightmare for Tyson... Just my opinion...
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I watched Mike Tyson fight live when it was happening. I'm not some 15 year old kid talking shit about things he doesn't understand. I'm not basing my opinions off of fucking youtube, I was there.
Tyson did not fight the same way after he fired Kevin Rooney. The money, attention, and Robin Givens destroyed the fighter that he used to be. He did not give a shit anymore. He wasn't training properly because he had a bunch of Don King's goons in his corner. When he fought Douglas, his corner didn't even have an icepack to stop his eye from swelling. They filled a fucking condom with water and used that. That's what he was surrounding himself with and that was 1990. By the time Tyson fought Holyfield and Lewis he was a shell of his former self. He no longer moved his head at all. He walked straight in and was easy to hit. He had been in prison for an extended period of time and was really only fighting to pay off the IRS and his ex-wife. He fought Lewis in 2002 when he was 36 fucking years old. He was fat and not even in shape.
A 21 year old prime Mike Tyson and a 36 year old, fat Mike Tyson are not in the same universe as fighters. That's just common sense. If you don't understand that then you are a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about boxing. You are just another internet moron who thinks he's an expert on everything condescending people who disagree with you. Fuck you.
He has been suffering from low self esteem and depression for all his life - when his mental support collapsed, he followed suit.
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This. People don't really get that Tyson was not a mere brute. He was an atypical fighter for a HW. His height, reach, defense were different from every other HW of his era. Frazier was a bit similar. Once Rooney was out of the picture, Tyson's technique went downhill.
This should be obvious to anyone that understands boxing in even a small way. Once Rooney wasn't there, Tyson stopped movie his head and became easy to hit. He also stopped throwing what they called punches in bunches, the combinations that he was previously famous for. He was walking straight in and loading up for one big shot trying to knock people out with one punch. He wasn't the same fighter and if certain people don't get that I don't know what to tell them.
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This should be obvious to anyone that understands boxing in even a small way. Once Rooney wasn't there, Tyson stopped movie his head and became easy to hit. He also stopped throwing what they called punches in bunches, the combinations that he was previously famous for. He was walking straight in and loading up for one big shot trying to knock people out with one punch. He wasn't the same fighter and if certain people don't get that I don't know what to tell them.
He was boxing flat-flooted after Rooney was gone. Before he was able to get very low. The fight against james Tillis was a good example of that. Same against an aging Holmes. He used his lack of height and reach to the best effect specially again tall opponents. I actually think that a prime Tyson would have been a nightmare for a prime Lennox Lewis. Holyfield would have been tougher for Tyson.
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Prime Tyson KOs Lewis in 2 rounds. Fuck sake this is the bloke who got starched by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman who hit about 10% as hard as Tyson.
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Ali benched over 500 lbs...Angelo Dundee was spotting him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
What a ridiculous claim. Ali would have been BURIED under 500 pounds.
This shit's gotta stop, I swear.
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Tyson was a solid 185 pounds at 15 so I could see it happening then
but not at 13.
I'm with the one poster who suggested the prison guard was mistaken
about the actual weights being used.
(http://www.boxing.com/images/sized/images/articles/tyson-and-cus-damato_1-530x317.jpg)
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Tyson was a solid 185 pounds at 15 so I could see it happening then
but not at 13.
I'm with the one poster who suggested the prison guard was mistaken
about the actual weights being used.
(http://www.boxing.com/images/sized/images/articles/tyson-and-cus-damato_1-530x317.jpg)
Right there in that picture....that's Big Head Mike from Brownsville, Amboy Street.
Also, the great Cus D'Amato.
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The couple fights (Green, Tillis, etc.) that went the distance did so IMO cuz Thson fought too frequently so when he encountered a wise, older vetern, who was determined to run and then hold in close , he would take the decision since he was clearly winning almost every round. Not like he was getting dropped and barely surviving those fight, the scorecards show his dominance. Hell, Ali went the distance with quite a few "bums."
Tyson with Cus and Rooney was a machine who never had a chance to mature so we never saw how great he was. It causes me a question why people (mostly non-boxers BTW) always cite his lack of head movent after Cus and Rooney. Maybe it did decline, he seemed to be chasing the KO more with wide hooks and overhand rights, but it didn't disappear. And how could it just disappear?!? You think a dozen plus years training to move your head on a daily basis, with multiple pieces of equipment (mitts, shadow box, drills he is shown doing with Rooney, sparring, speed bag, bobbing & weaving under a rope, walking across floor moving side to side [as seen in his old teen training videos], and last but most important the slip bag [the little sand bag he used in all his training videos--a tool few gyms today even have!], etc.) and you change trainers and BOOM, more than a dozen years of 2 a day workouts for 10's of thousands of hours just evaporate your entire skill set in head movement?!? And if you still think that, why would top notch trainers later brought in, not revert back to the formula which made him so successful according to arm chair experts? He had Freddie Roach and Fenech training him among others and those two IMO are 2 of the best trainers not named Mayweather!
I grew up a Holmes fan (went to his gym, saw him train for Tyson fight actually) and later Holyfield (I loved technically sound boxers who always came to fight in shape, like B-hop now ;-) so I'm no Tyson fan flunkie. But last 5-6 years I've re-watched his fights and have a lot more appreciation for what he did. He is only man to KO Spinks and Holmes, think about that, like 100 fights between 2 ex heavyweight champions and both only ever KO'd by Tyson, and in his early 20's before he fully matured his style. Re-watching him now I see how effectively he uses his jab to close the distance and how he punches so hard and accurate with both hands , and his body assaults may be the best in the heavyweight division, ever...
To me his legacy is problematic due to losing a lot of his prime by serving time for a set up, drug use, and the emotional and financial wringer Givens, her mom and King put him through. These factors, I believe led to him fighting sporadically, and missing the opportunity to fight some names of that era that would have cemented his legacy: Foreman, Morrison, Mercer, Bowe, etc. those fights should've happened, and now we will never know how great Iron Mike truly was...
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His head movement "maybe" declined? lol. Have you ever watched his fights?
The reason people often site his lack of head movement is because it was so blatantly obvious. If you don't move your head, you are easy to hit. Very simple. Day one stuff.
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Prime Tyson KOs Lewis in 2 rounds. Fuck sake this is the bloke who got starched by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman who hit about 10% as hard as Tyson.
Agreed. And if you watch the fights Tyson had against the few guys who he didn't knock out in his prime ('86-89 or so), those fights weren't even close - those taller guys like Tucker, "Bonecrusher" Smith (oh brother... ::)), and Green ran from him the whole fight.
Like others have said, he went to shit after firing Cayton and especially Rooney and getting mixed up with Givens, King, and all the other leeches. He was one of the best ever from '86-89, but was a washed-up basket case by 1990.
He was feeble minded and mentally fragile - basically his own worst enemy. Had he stuck with those who brought him to the dance, he would have likely retired undefeated at 30 or so (before he went downhill physically) and been financially set for life.
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Agreed. And if you watch the fights Tyson had against the few guys who he didn't knock out in his prime ('86-89 or so), those fights weren't even close - those taller guys like Tucker, "Bonecrusher" Smith (oh brother... ::)), and Green ran from him the whole fight.
Like others have said, he went to shit after firing Cayton and especially Rooney and getting mixed up with Givens, King, and all the other leeches. He was one of the best ever from '86-89, but was a washed-up basket case by 1990.
He was feeble minded and mentally fragile - basically his own worst enemy. Had he stuck with those who brought him to the dance, he would have likely retired undefeated at 30 or so (before he went downhill physically) and been financially set for life.
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Tyson fought everyone the heavyweight division had to offer, it's not like he was ducking anyone. Yeah he mostly fought tomato cans, but he absolutely dominated them--something that shouldn't get overlooked.
Is he the greatest of all time? Of course not, but he was pretty damn good and even more interesting to watch.