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I t s weird to me life is a sickening learning adventure wich can lead to a superior skill set and outcome but sad type people quit because of weakening nutrition robbing them of energy
People that sleep in on sundays get greys faster they should do more why waste a day because religion says so
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I t s weird to me life is a sickening learning adventure wich can lead to a superior skill set and outcome but sad type people quit because of weakening nutrition robbing them of energy
People that sleep in on sundays get greys faster they should do more why waste a day because religion says so
Why would religion cause them to sleep in on Sundays? Most church services start around 8:30 in the morning, some even earlier.
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I t s weird to me life is a sickening learning adventure wich can lead to a superior skill set and outcome but sad type people quit because of weakening nutrition robbing them of energy
People that sleep in on sundays get greys faster they should do more why waste a day because religion says so
I'm up at 5am every SUnday kneegrow, had poached eggs and kale salad for breakfast this morning taking a few beers with me on the motorbike to the beach today and gonna perve on some juicy tits in bikinis for the day
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Why would religion cause them to sleep in on Sundays? Most church services start around 8:30 in the morning, some even earlier.
its in culture now from its start in religion
A real god would either say dont rest or tell u why to rest thats reasonable to beleive
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I'm up at 5am every SUnday kneegrow, had poached eggs and kale salad for breakfast this morning taking a few beers with me on the motorbike to the beach today and gonna perve on some juicy tits in bikinis for the day
blend kale yams and coconut mmm into a spread
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blend kale yams and coconut mmm into a spread
Sounds good, ive got some coconut but no yams only normal potatos ill still give it a try with them
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its in culture now from its start in religion
A real god would either say dont rest or tell u why to rest thats reasonable to beleive
I suppose it is as reasonable to believe as believing in a god in general
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I t s weird to me life is a sickening learning adventure wich can lead to a superior skill set and outcome but sad type people quit because of weakening nutrition robbing them of energy
People that sleep in on sundays get greys faster they should do more why waste a day because religion says so
Let's see...
The "greatest minds" to come out of the Carolinas are you, Adonis, and Goodrum.
Buy canned foods and head for the hills, folks - the end is near!!
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I suppose it is as reasonable to believe as believing in a god in general
if we are not superior ........then someone or some thing out there is reasonobly so
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I'm up at 5am every SUnday kneegrow, had poached eggs and kale salad for breakfast this morning taking a few beers with me on the motorbike to the beach today and gonna perve on some juicy tits in bikinis for the day
This is good and correct, I predict you will live a long and healthy life.
Mix in some of that orange clay from a two-foot depth for immortality.
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So they're all connected with you... Maybe you're the one to blame?
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I t s weird to me life is a sickening learning adventure wich can lead to a superior skill set and outcome but sad type people quit because of weakening nutrition robbing them of energy
People that sleep in on sundays get greys faster they should do more why waste a day because religion says so
Like attracts Like. It's a scientific law of Interpersonal attraction. Maybe you should learn about it. Your friends are a reflection of you, if you can't see that you probably lack self awareness. Hope this helps.
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This is what happens when you do not study electricity. You fall into suicide, drugs, and all sorts of horrible stuff.
There is more than likely a direct causal effect between the study of electricity and emotions (depression and suicide) and drug use.
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So they're all connected with you... Maybe you're the one to blame?
lol im also connected just as close to the freaks here who just rip each other constantly
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This is what happens when you do not study electricity. You fall into suicide, drugs, and all sorts of horrible stuff.
There is more than likely a direct causal effect between the study of electricity and emotions (depression and suicide) and drug use.
This.
There is no mention of electricity or magnets in this shit thread.
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lol im also connected just as close to the freaks here who just rip each other constantly
Too much negativity on getbig lately, we need more positively and relevant discussions about health and longevity/hos and how to obtain them.
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This is what happens when you do not study electricity. You fall into suicide, drugs, and all sorts of horrible stuff.
There is more than likely a direct causal effect between the study of electricity and emotions (depression and suicide) and drug use.
mymechanic friend has all these certifications but is a drunk n doesnt want to learn anymore and suicidal
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Let's see...
The "greatest minds" to come out of the Carolinas are you, Adonis, and Goodrum.
Buy canned foods and head for the hills, folks - the end is near!!
On the plus side, the state does produce some "unique" individuals. :)
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Too much negativity on getbig lately, we need more positively and relevant discussions about health and longevity/hos and how to obtain them.
we need more electricity i like how red light is most beneficial to plants and humans
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This is good and correct, I predict you will live a long and healthy life.
Mix in some of that orange clay from a two-foot depth for immortality.
Advanced level protocol for eternal healthy living.
I'm off to the beach to enjoy the view of hos and get me some good ol vitamin D, all key for health/positivity.
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Like attracts Like. It's a scientific law of Interpersonal attraction. Maybe you should learn about it. Your friends are a reflection of you, if you can't see that you probably lack self awareness. Hope this helps.
im not doubting this 100%
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On the plus side, the state does produce some "unique" individuals. :)
Yes, "unique" is a good, euphemistic word.
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lol im also connected just as close to the freaks here who just rip each other constantly
It's all your fault, you better stick to electricity :D
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mymechanic friend has all these certifications but is a drunk n doesnt want to learn anymore and suicidal
Are they certifications in electricity?
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I see this among some of my long time friends too. Dreams are starting to fade away, some failed marriages already, some unlucky circumstances.. alcohol and drugs come to "help". To be honest I don't want to communicate with some of them anymore. The negativity/pessimism and a general "oh well...that's that I guess" kind of outlook gets on my nerves.
Good family is great, but that doesn't turn out well pretty often so being rich should be a main goal, family or a good close circle of people with similar interests - second. But not many people manage to become rich so it's a desperate existence for most and efforts not to go out of their mind from all the bullshit and difficulties.
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Most people suck fact!!
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Were all trapped together so lets team up n build a ufo
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Sorry after one of my friends committted sucide two years ago I have little time for people being self destructive.
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birds of a feather ;)
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I see this among some of my long time friends too. Dreams are starting to fade away, some failed marriages already, some unlucky circumstances.. alcohol and drugs come to "help". To be honest I don't want to communicate with some of them anymore. The negativity/pessimism and a general "oh well...that's that I guess" kind of outlook gets on my nerves.
This is quite normal. Anyone with half a brain will get less sociable as they get older, as you no longer need anyone to help you find your way. I used to wait for the phone to ring. Now, I dread when it happens, as it is usually a friend or family member wanting something from me.
Notice that most older people that need constant social interaction tend to be morons.
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This is quite normal. Anyone with half a brain will get less sociable as they get older, as you no longer need anyone to help you find your way. I used to wait for the phone to ring. Now, I dread when it happens, as it is usually a friend or family member wanting something from me.
Notice that most older people that need constant social interaction tend to be morons.
I think you misunderstood my post or your interpretation is a lil'bit different. I like communicating with happy/succesfull people and there's no shortage of them in my life, it's just that some long time friends have became way too negative and I just can't relate.. Some even talk about "oh you know.. we are getting old" at twenty fuckin eight or nine and I just can't comprehend it, as my life is only getting better and more interesting with each day that passes.
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fact is the white race will disapear first, then all others. It will take time, but it will happen, our specie is condemned, we are designed by the absurd, to fail.
Interesting to read , the end of nietszche who prophetized that after killing god(s), we would all kill ourselves slowly. Basically after abandoning christianism, humans are led to beleive in atheism and nihilism, or they can embrace other religions like buddhism, islam.
http://blogs.walkerart.org/filmvideo/2012/03/16/the-madness-letters-friedrich-nietzsche-and-bela-tarr/
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_%28book%29
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fact is the white race will disapear first, then all others. It will take time, but it will happen, our specie is condemned, we are designed by the absurd, to fail.
Interesting to read , the end of nietszche who prophetized that after killing god, we would all kill ourselves.
http://blogs.walkerart.org/filmvideo/2012/03/16/the-madness-letters-friedrich-nietzsche-and-bela-tarr/
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_%28book%29
Kill the maker (parent), the children becomes despondent and enraged, then kill themselves.
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fact is the white race will disapear first, then all others. It will take time, but it will happen, our specie is condemned, we are designed by the absurd, to fail.
Interesting to read , the end of nietszche who prophetized that after killing god(s), we would all kill ourselves slowly. Basically after abandoning christianism, humans are led to beleive in atheism and nihilism, or they can embrace other religions like buddhism, islam.
http://blogs.walkerart.org/filmvideo/2012/03/16/the-madness-letters-friedrich-nietzsche-and-bela-tarr/
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_%28book%29
Or.... humans will actually become "Gods"...
Killing "god"/abandoning christianism is just one very small/incredibly short glimpse of a history in our specie, a micro dust, compared to what kind of path this genetic code has already walked. Only an asteroid a size of Jay Cutlers jaw will erase humans, and even that is not a given huh...
The universe is fascinating: it's so "simple" at once glance (physical forces acting) and so complex at the same time.
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Kill the maker (parent), the children becomes despondent and enraged, then kill themselves.
Religion
In The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life, Durkheim's first purpose was to identify the social origin and function of religion as he felt that religion was a source of camaraderie and solidarity.[41] His second purpose was to identify links between certain religions in different cultures, finding a common denominator. He wanted to understand the empirical, social aspect of religion that is common to all religions and goes beyond the concepts of spirituality and God.[44]
Durkheim defined religion as
A religion is a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, i.e., things set apart and forbidden--beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them.
—Émile Durkheim, The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life, Book 1, Ch. 1[72]
In this definition, Durkheim avoids references to supernatural or God.[72] Durkheim argued that the concept of supernatural is relatively new, tied to the development of science and separation of supernatural—that which cannot be rationally explained—from natural, that which can.[73] Thus, according to Durkheim, for early humans, everything was supernatural.[73] Similarly, he points out that religions which give little importance to the concept of god exist, such as Buddhism, where the Four Noble Truths is much more important than any individual deity.[73] With that, Durkheim argues, we are left with the following three concepts: the sacred (the ideas that cannot be properly explained, inspire awe and are considered worthy of spiritual respect or devotion), the beliefs and practices (which create highly emotional state—collective effervescence—and invest symbols with sacred importance), and the moral community (a group of people sharing a common moral philosophy).[42][73][74][75] Out of those three concepts, Durkheim focused on the sacred, noting that it is at the very core of a religion.[73] He defined sacred things as:
...simply collective ideals that have fixed themselves on material objects... they are only collective forces hypostasized, that is to say, moral forces; they are made up of the ideas and sentiments awakened in us by the spectacle of society, and not of sensations coming from the physical world.
—Émile Durkheim[76]
Durkheim saw religion as the most fundamental social institution of humankind, and one that gave rise to other social forms.[44][56] It was the religion that gave humanity the strongest sense of collective consciousness.[77] Durkheim saw the religion as a force that emerged in the early hunter and gatherer societies, as the emotions collective effervescence run high in the growing groups, forcing them to act in a new ways, and giving them a sense of some hidden force driving them.[42] Over time, as emotions became symbolized and interactions ritualized, religion became more organized, giving a rise to the division between the sacred and the profane.[42] However, Durkheim also believed that religion was becoming less important, as it was being gradually superseded by science and the cult of an individual.[44][53]
Thus there is something eternal in religion that is destined to outlive the succession of particular symbols in which religious thought has clothed itself.
—Émile Durkheim[55]
However, even if the religion was losing its importance for Durkheim, it still laid the foundation of modern society and the interactions that governed it.[77] And despite the advent of alternative forces, Durkheim argued that no replacement for the force of religion had yet been created,. He expressed his doubt about modernity, seeing the modern times as "a period of transition and moral mediocrity".[55]
Durkheim also argued that our primary categories for understanding the world have their origins in religion.[56] It is religion, Durkheim writes, that gave rise to most if not all other social constructs, including the larger society.[77] Durkheim argued that categories are produced by the society, and thus are collective creations.[41] Thus as people create societies, they also create categories, but at the same time, they do so unconsciously, and the categories are prior to any individual's experience.[41] In this way Durkheim attempted to bridge the divide between seeing categories as constructed out of human experience and as logically prior to that experience.[41][78] Our understanding of the world is shaped by social facts; for example the notion of time is defined by being measured through a calendar, which in turn was created to allow us to keep track of our social gatherings and rituals; those in turn on their most basic level originated from religion.[77] In the end, even the most logical and rational pursuit of science can trace its origins to religion.[77] Durkheim states that, "Religion gave birth to all that is essential in the society.[77]
In his work, Durkheim focused on totemism, the religion of the aboriginal Australians and Native Americans.[41][72] Durkheim saw totemism as the most ancient religion, and focused on it as he believed its simplicity would ease the discussion of the essential elements of religion.[41][72]
Durkheim's work on religion was heavily criticized on both empirical and theoretical grounds by specialists in the field. The most devastating critique came from Durkheim's contemporary, Arnold van Gennep, an expert on religion and ritual, and also on Australian belief systems. Van Gennep plainly stated that Durkheim's views of primitive peoples and simple societies were "entirely erroneous". Van Gennep further argued that Durkheim demonstrated a lack of critical stance towards his sources, collected by traders and priests, naively accepting their veracity, and that Durkheim interpreted freely from dubious data. At the conceptual level, van Gennep pointed out Durkheim's tendency to press ethnography into a prefabricated theoretical scheme.[79]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim
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I think you misunderstood my post or your interpretation is a lil'bit different. I like communicating with happy/succesfull people and there's no shortage of them in my life, it's just that some long time friends have became way too negative and I just can't relate.. Some even talk about "oh you know.. we are getting old" at twenty fuckin eight or nine and I just can't comprehend it, as my life is only getting better and more interesting with each day that passes.
I donno its wierd I kinda agree with both ways of looking at things
I feel like an ancient young person, or a very young senior citizen.
Once you realize the fun's over, the better at being borning you are the happier you'll be.
Sad part is not many people are good at being borning these days, its something one is never learns in a comsumerist society.
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I donno its wierd I kinda agree with both ways of looking at things
I feel like an ancient young person, or a very young senior citizen.
Once you realize the fun's over, the better at being borning you are the happier you'll be.
Sad part is not many people are good at being borning these days, its something one is never learns in a comsumerist society.
It depends... For me, the "fun" is just begining, when it's over - I'm 6feet under the ground. For others - it may be over at 25 and they are walking dead from then on. For each his own I guess, tho' it's obvious that I can't relate to some of my friends anymore (writing this somehow made me realize ir very clearly).
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Or.... humans will actually become "Gods"...
Killing "god"/abandoning christianism is just one very small/incredibly short glimpse of a history in our specie, a micro dust, compared to what kind of path this genetic code has already walked. Only an asteroid a size of Jay Cutlers jaw will erase humans, and even that is not a given huh...
The universe is fascinating: it's so "simple" at once glance (physical forces acting) and so complex at the same time.
Yes, of course...this has been discussed before, ad nauseam.
God creates man, man kills God, man becomes God. This is also seen where else?
Here is a hint, we wait for it every year....
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It depends... For me, the "fun" is just begining, when it's over - I'm 6feet under the ground. For others - it may be over at 25 and they are walking dead from then on. For each his own I guess, tho' it's obvious that I can't relate to some of my friends anymore (writing this somehow made me realize ir very clearly).
Well I think it's like telling jokes
The best humour isn't looking for a direct laugh.
Real humour just happens.
The same way with fun.
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Yes, of course...this has been discussed before, ad nauseam.
God creates man, man kills God, man becomes God. This is also seen where else?
Here is a hint, we wait for it every year....
Maybe "you" should wait for centuries, not "years"...
Killing god means becoming conscious AND strong (so no need for an imaginary friend), so if there's a chance for god to exist - it's in a shape of a human being that has mastered the main forces in the universe.
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Well I think it's like telling jokes
The best humour isn't looking for a direct laugh.
Real humour just happens.
The same way with fun.
Probably... Just being succesfull at whatever one is doing is fun by default.
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Maybe "you" should wait for centuries, not "years"...
Killing god means becoming conscious AND strong (so no need for an imaginary friend), so if there's a chance for god to exist - it's in a shape of a human being that has mastered the main forces in the universe.
Also,becoming "God" can mean "there will be no other god above me, for I am selfish god"
And what have we've become? Selfish, narcissistic, and wanting nobody else to tell what to do.
The only true thing that we master is chaos and delusions of grandeur, and loneliness.
It has been said that God is within us all.
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Also,becoming "God" can mean "there will be no other god above me, for I am selfish god"
And what have we've become? Selfish, narcissistic, and wanting nobody else to tell what to do.
The only true thing that we master is chaos and delusions of grandeur, and loneliness.
It has been said that God is within us all.
Why do you feel a need to have a "god" "above you" ??? And why do you correlate being conscious and strong with an obvious negative color (selfish, narcissistic, etc..). Is that some kind of a slave mentality or something?
Or maybe you just have some difficulties in this life that are big enough for you to "seek god", as, well... there is no other way out (or so you think).
Btw, if there actually is god, he's exactly of what you described - selfish, narcissistic and noone can tell him what to do. I guess it's still better than being a poor peasant on this earth.
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I'm not religious but it does give people some meaning in life and a sense of community. They are definitly happier with less dysfunction and social ills.
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fact is the white race will disapear first, then all others. It will take time, but it will happen, our specie is condemned, we are designed by the absurd, to fail.
Interesting to read , the end of nietszche who prophetized that after killing god(s), we would all kill ourselves slowly. Basically after abandoning christianism, humans are led to beleive in atheism and nihilism, or they can embrace other religions like buddhism, islam.
http://blogs.walkerart.org/filmvideo/2012/03/16/the-madness-letters-friedrich-nietzsche-and-bela-tarr/
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_%28book%29
The current generation is doing a stellar job at just that...
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Why do you feel a need to have a "god" "above you" ??? And why do you correlate being conscious and strong with an obvious negative color (selfish, narcissistic, etc..). Is that some kind of a slave mentality or something?
Or maybe you just have some difficulties in this life that are big enough for you to "seek god", as, well... there is no other way out (or so you think).
Btw, if there actually is god, he's exactly of what you described - selfish, narcissistic and noone can tell him what to do. I guess it's still better than being a poor peasant on this earth.
Human beings are followers. Even Arnold talked about this. When you were young, your parents were "Gods" to you. And you followed them around, and you did as you were told. When you didn't, the "Gods" punished you as they saw fit.
This is the inherent order of things. There is something always bigger and more "God" like than you (or having those qualities.
You ask me, as to why "I" need God, when I never said anything about me.
So, this is a personal matter to you. What happened in your life to make you so dispondent? So angry, so lacking in "life" (like someone sucked your life force out of you)?
You have talked about having your consciousness in a computer/robot as if being a human is not a grand experience---the highs and lows. You want some cold, harsh reality, lacking in feeling, clinical....soul-less even.
It seems like you are the who has had difficulties in life that have beaten you down, and you want others to feel the pain, or think others will join you.
And that poor peasant, well that peasant maybe a lot more happier than you, and maybe, just maybe a more better company.
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Thread way off track
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Human beings are followers. Even Arnold talked about this. When you were young, your parents were "Gods" to you. And you followed them around, and you did as you were told. When you didn't, the "Gods" punished you as they saw fit.
This is the inherent order of things. There is something always bigger and more "God" like than you (or having those qualities.
Yes, they are following UNTIL maturing up and starting to use their own mind/conscience (thus they become "gods" to their own or someones else kids). What's the point of following an imaginary entity after you are fully conscious and functioning? I can only go back to what I've already said - it's when you can't deal with reality (too weak) - you go to search for something to calm you down. Some drink alcohol, some do drugs, some take pills, and some.... preach "god". If someone is religious, one can bet that that someone has some obvious weaknesses and can't deal with 'em, 10 out of 10 cases that I know it's like that and it doesn't take too long to figure out what are these issues.
You ask me, as to why "I" need God, when I never said anything about me.
So, this is a personal matter to you. What happened in your life to make you so dispondent? So angry, so lacking in "life" (like someone sucked your life force out of you)?
Nice on-line magic-glass ball reading, but I have no idea what are you talking about. I'm doing pretty good in life, I simply despise some of it's bullshit/nonsense, nothing more.
You have talked about having your consciousness in a computer/robot as if being a human is not a grand experience---the highs and lows. You want some cold, harsh reality, lacking in feeling, clinical....soul-less even.
It seems like you are the who has had difficulties in life that have beaten you down, and you want others to feel the pain, or think others will join you.
And that poor peasant, well that peasant maybe a lot more happier than you, and maybe, just maybe a more better company.
It's funny how people think that being a "robot" is any different than being a "human" (biological robot). Listen - everything that will happen, even if it means "humanoid", it happens out of the SAME natural, old good evolution process, so it's as natural as before. Now read this again, it's very revealing.
BTW - enhanced brain will probably be able to feel a lot more, a lot woder spectrum of feelings you talk about. I suggest watching less "Terminator" style of movies.
And I had my beatings, I will take more if needed and there are people with far worse beating of their own, I don't need anyone to "join" me, everyone has joined "life" already. Simple thing is - god was created by weak people, for weak people and if you believe in god - you most probably are too weak to lead your own way in this reality.
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fact is the white race will disapear first, then all others. It will take time, but it will happen, our specie is condemned, we are designed by the absurd, to fail.
Interesting to read , the end of nietszche who prophetized that after killing god(s), we would all kill ourselves slowly. Basically after abandoning christianism, humans are led to beleive in atheism and nihilism, or they can embrace other religions like buddhism, islam.
http://blogs.walkerart.org/filmvideo/2012/03/16/the-madness-letters-friedrich-nietzsche-and-bela-tarr/
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_%28book%29
Well, Nietzsche is using metaphor to get his point across. You can't kill something that never existed. I think he meant humanity has seen through it's own delusions and only then realized that such delusions were essential to life. And now that we know the truth we can't go back to being deluded. This newly founded truth is the source of modern day angst or distress.
There are those who desperately rally against this new found knowledge and use psychological techniques like denial and force themselves to believe in something greater, but such people in modern times simply appear foolish.
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I'm not religious but it does give people some meaning in life and a sense of community. They are definitly happier with less dysfunction and social ills.
You obviously fail to see the bigger picture. Religion creates division and more dysfunction. And while religion may cause a greater sense of community for those who believe in that particular faith, it puts you in conflict with those of other faiths or no faith.
Let's look at IRAQ for instance, a highly religious country with extremely divided communities, little happiness and constant warfare and terrorism. Yeah, Go religion!
I am yet to meet a religious person who is happier than a non religious person, how you come to such a conclusion is beyond me.
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Well, Nietzsche is using metaphor to get his point across. You can't kill something that never existed. I think he meant humanity has seen through it's own delusions and only then realized that such delusions were essential to life. And now that we know the truth we can't go back to being deluded. This newly founded truth is the source of modern day angst or distress.
There are those who desperately rally against this new found knowledge and use psychological techniques like denial and force themselves to believe in something greater, but such people in modern times simply appear foolish.
Shut up "E-kul" ::)
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Well, Nietzsche is using metaphor to get his point across. You can't kill something that never existed. I think he meant humanity has seen through it's own delusions and only then realized that such delusions were essential to life. And now that we know the truth we can't go back to being deluded. This newly founded truth is the source of modern day angst or distress.
There are those who desperately rally against this new found knowledge and use psychological techniques like denial and force themselves to believe in something greater, but such people in modern times simply appear foolish.
anti depressant consumption is exploding in the so called civilized, atheist world. People cant heal themselves anymore with spirtuality, family, individuals are lonely , atomized, they suffer so they need pills to feel happy. God is now in a pill. Shrinks are the new pastors and monks. Religions were natural anti depressants. Science , rationalism, destroyed this natural anti depressant and substituted it with another.
We probably are nearing the end of mankind, which is now dying of old age and becoming more and more childish and dumb, like a devolution.
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That's because many can't manage "life".. alcholol, antidepresants, etc... comes to "help". It was religion earlier. Only real solution is an effective repair of the outlook/thought process. That should happen in families first, the issue is - many families are dysfunctional to begin with..