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i listened an interview with mike christian an he said to shaw ray that he was on 300k a year when he signed for WBF and Gary Styrdom was on 350k a year
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Vince was a generous schmoe, that's for sure. Makes Blechman look like a hobo.
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i listened an interview with mike christian an he said to shaw ray that he was on 300k a year when he signed for WBF and Gary Styrdom was on 350k a year
The WWE has always been flush with money so it was just a drop in the bucket. There's about 20 million dollars of ICOPro supplement buried under the WWE headquarters.
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The WWE has always been flush with money so it was just a drop in the bucket. There's about 20 million dollars of ICOPro supplement buried under the WWE headquarters.
How many times did you fail at stealing it?
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How many times did you fail at stealing it?
Why would he steal anything? The man has 2x flat screens and a blooming business over at getbig2.com and caliber groceries.
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"At 27 years old [Vince Comerford] was paid $125K each year for the two years he participated in the WBF. That was decent money in 1990."
He got that payday for just participating... never mind where he placed in the contest. Compare that with what guys get today for coming in 4th or 5th place in any contest. ;D :(
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"At 27 years old [Vince Comerford] was paid $125K each year for the two years he participated in the WBF. That was decent money in 1990."
He got that payday for just participating... never mind where he placed in the contest. Compare that with what guys get today for coming in 4th or 5th place in any contest. ;D :(
So I guess that if you were on the WBF payroll, the G4P was not a necessity anymore. Probably dark years for the schmoes.
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i listened the interview on MD RADIO,mike christian said to shawn ray that WBF offered him 300k a year to join them,he then asked Joe Weider is he willing to pay him not that kind of money but a decent money,and Joe said him "you can go" so mike went and pick that 300 k for 2 years and bought a house...
said that he could believe that he is receiving 25k a month...but he could earn as a guest poser cause Joe weider didnt allow them to guest pose in any shows...so he was on 300k for 2 years!
and i heard from dave palumbo on radio show that gary strydom picked up 350k a year for 2 years from the same organization...
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i listened an interview with mike christian an he said to shaw ray that he was on 300k a year when he signed for WBF and Gary Styrdom was on 350k a year
does anyone know what big louies contract was for, he got paid even though he never competed...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Taking best parts of MuscleMania/IFBB/WBF business models and you may have something.
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i listened the interview on MD RADIO,mike christian said to shawn ray that WBF offered him 300k a year to join them,he then asked Joe Weider is he willing to pay him not that kind of money but a decent money,and Joe said him "you can go" so mike went and pick that 300 k for 2 years and bought a house...
said that he could believe that he is receiving 25k a month...but he could earn as a guest poser cause Joe weider didnt allow them to guest pose in any shows...so he was on 300k for 2 years!
and i heard from dave palumbo on radio show that gary strydom picked up 350k a year for 2 years from the same organization...
If McMann was paying that kind of money, why did so many stay with Weider? If ALL the IFBB bodybuilders had left Weider at the same time, the IFBB would have been finished.
I would not be surprised if Weider was the one who stirred up the steroid scandal, which is what eventually lead to the WBF's demise.
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$125,000 in 1990 is about $220,000 now. $300,000 is around $530,000, and $350,000 is just over $600,000.
The Olympia prizes for 1990 were -
1. $100,000
2. 31,500
3. 18,500
4. 12,500
5. 10,000
6. 8,000
Smart money joining the WBF.
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Bodybuilding prize money was actually higher during the times of Abraham Lincoln than it is today. That's a fact.
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$125,000 in 1990 is about $220,000 now. $300,000 is around $530,000, and $350,000 is just over $600,000.
The Olympia prizes for 1990 were -
1. $100,000
2. 31,500
3. 18,500
4. 12,500
5. 10,000
6. 8,000
Smart money joining the WBF.
At that rate of pay all they had to do was work 3-5 years, then retire. Too bad the WBF only lasted for such a short time. If it had lasted, bodybuilders would've eventually left Weider in droves and Weider's empire would've crumbled.
The last WBF contests were a shit-show... no drugs allowed, everyone was on a high fat/no carb diet. Everyone was fat as fuck except for Gary Strydom and Aaron Baker. I remember Mike Quinn looked like a total shit bag.
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The article written by Peter McGough on it - an excellent article detailing the rise and fall of the WBF.
http://www.getbig.com/articles/faq-wbf.htm
It took about 18 months and 15 million in losses for the federation to go away. Yes, they paid a lot to their athletes, but it came and went quickly.
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"At 27 years old [Vince Comerford] was paid $125K each year for the two years he participated in the WBF. That was decent money in 1990."
He got that payday for just participating... never mind where he placed in the contest. Compare that with what guys get today for coming in 4th or 5th place in any contest. ;D :(
COMERFORD holding his own there 'compact thick build'
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The article written by Peter McGough on it - an excellent article detailing the rise and fall of the WBF.
http://www.getbig.com/articles/faq-wbf.htm
It took about 18 months and 15 million in losses for the federation to go away. Yes, they paid a lot to their athletes, but it came and went quickly.
vinnie mac pretty much failed at everything he did but wrestling which he suceeded in a big way..... he tried boxing= failed bodybuilding= failed, football=failed. now he throwing money into making crappy movies with some of his rasslers appearing or even starring in them. the jury is still out on this foray.
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$125,000 in 1990 is about $220,000 now. $300,000 is around $530,000, and $350,000 is just over $600,000.
The Olympia prizes for 1990 were -
1. $100,000
2. 31,500
3. 18,500
4. 12,500
5. 10,000
6. 8,000
Smart money joining the WBF.
The prize money in the IFBB for the Olympia didn't hit $100K until Dorian won it in 1992. Haney got $80,000 in 1991. That would make Gary Strydom the first guy to get a six-figure payday for winning a show (1991 WBF Championship).
The dropoff between top-5 placings was less steep. $100,000 was for 1st, $75,00 for 2nd, $50,000 for 3rd, $25,000 for 4th, and $15,000 for 5th.
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The Olympia Wiki (s) is off then -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Mr._Olympia .
Anyway, still a huge jump in pay between the WBF and IFBB. Especially if you were a middle of the pack guy.
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The article written by Peter McGough on it - an excellent article detailing the rise and fall of the WBF.
http://www.getbig.com/articles/faq-wbf.htm
It took about 18 months and 15 million in losses for the federation to go away. Yes, they paid a lot to their athletes, but it came and went quickly.
Was Weider's issue that the bodybuilders had to earn it? Or that he didn't want the bodybuilders to be bigger than the IFBB or bigger than him?
There was only one bodybuilder that succeeded in that, and that was Arnold.
Could it be, that Weider didn't want anymore Arnolds, bodybuilders who became more popular and legendary
than Weider? You cannot control that type of person, and that type of person will find money else where if you did try to control him.
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I think a lot of the bodybuilderes who didn't leave were still under contract to, or afraid of Uncle Joe...Guessing wrong would have destroyed any career that you had....as evidenced by the fact that none of the guys that left ever regained his popularity after the WBF went under.
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no money is enough if you cant compete in mr olympia. thats like saying "you get this and so much money but you can never be in the olympics"
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"At 27 years old [Vince Comerford] was paid $125K each year for the two years he participated in the WBF. That was decent money in 1990."
He got that payday for just participating... never mind where he placed in the contest. Compare that with what guys get today for coming in 4th or 5th place in any contest. ;D :(
exactly......it was a sweetheart deal!
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I still can't believe that Comerford is dead. I would've thought that other guys would've died first.
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I still can't believe that Comerford is dead. I would've thought that other guys would've died first.
Didnt realise he was dead - he was an incredible bodybuilder in his time, so thick throughout. Saw him complete at The British Grand Prix. You never met a happier more enthusiastic guy either, he was like a built Steve Erwin! RIP Vince
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no money is enough if you cant compete in mr olympia. thats like saying "you get this and so much money but you can never be in the olympics"
To the public a 4X Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic winner is much more prestigious than being a 4X Mr. Olympia winner. Everybody knows who Arnold is, nobody really knows or cares what a "Mr. Olympia" is...and if you tell them it's Joe Weider's contest, probably the majority of the public would go "who?"
Only a few would make the connection to Joe Weider the Supplement and equipments sales magnet.
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At that rate of pay all they had to do was work 3-5 years, then retire. Too bad the WBF only lasted for such a short time. If it had lasted, bodybuilders would've eventually left Weider in droves and Weider's empire would've crumbled.
The last WBF contests were a shit-show... no drugs allowed, everyone was on a high fat/no carb diet. Everyone was fat as fuck except for Gary Strydom and Aaron Baker. I remember Mike Quinn looked like a total shit bag.
I wouldn't go that far. Jim Quinn looked good, as did Tony Pearson (who I think should have made the top 5, instead of David Dearth).
Here's "The Jetman".
Berry DeMey was weird. He looked fine during his routine (after getting his freak on with a softcore porn star, to celebrate his roulette winnings). But, during the posedown, he just smoothed out.
Here's "The Future" Jim Quinn from both shows.
1991
1992
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no money is enough if you cant compete in mr olympia. thats like saying "you get this and so much money but you can never be in the olympics"
The WBF guys would beg to differ. Eddie Robinson said he made more in one year with the WBF than he would have made in four years in the IFBB. Of course, he placed 10th at the Olympia before he jumped ship.
Troy Zuccolotto took his WBF money and invested in wellness clinics. Now, he's making a small fortune.
There are plenty of guys who've competed in the O, who have faded into obscurity (i.e. the weight class winners at the Universe, from back in the day).
Many of those guys, particularly from the Middle East, forfeit their IFBB pro cards and go back to competing in the Universe. Winning their class (and especially the overall) gives them more fame and fortune in their home country than they'd ever get by being in the Olympia. See Hamdullah Aykutlu.
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To the public a 4X Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic winner is much more prestigious than being a 4X Mr. Olympia winner. Everybody knows who Arnold is, nobody really knows or cares what a "Mr. Olympia" is...and if you tell them it's Joe Weider's contest, probably the majority of the public would go "who?"
Only a few would make the connection to Joe Weider the Supplement and equipments sales magnet.
Arnold is known more as Mr. Universe than he is as Mr. Olympia. I also recall when Frank Zane endorsed the "Torso Trak" fitness gadget. The narrator referred to him as a "3-time Mr. Universe". When his picture (in his prime) was shown, the caption of "3-time Mr. Universe" was in BIG letter; the 3-time Mr. Olympia caption was in much smaller letters.
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Didnt realise he was dead - he was an incredible bodybuilder in his time, so thick throughout. Saw him complete at The British Grand Prix. You never met a happier more enthusiastic guy either, he was like a built Steve Erwin! RIP Vince
Spot on about Vince. I met him a few times back then. He was a very humble, well spoken intelligent person too. He always made time to talk and give advice to anyone interested.
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i listened the interview on MD RADIO,mike christian said to shawn ray that WBF offered him 300k a year to join them,he then asked Joe Weider is he willing to pay him not that kind of money but a decent money,and Joe said him "you can go" so mike went and pick that 300 k for 2 years and bought a house...
said that he could believe that he is receiving 25k a month...but he could earn as a guest poser cause Joe weider didnt allow them to guest pose in any shows...so he was on 300k for 2 years!
and i heard from dave palumbo on radio show that gary strydom picked up 350k a year for 2 years from the same organization...
Here's Mike Christian just before the WBF championship in 1991.
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The best part about the WBF was not having to wait a month (or longer) in the wee hours of the morning to see bodybuilding shows (i.e. American Muscle), thanks to this program:
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Arnold is known more as Mr. Universe than he is as Mr. Olympia. I also recall when Frank Zane endorsed the "Torso Trak" fitness gadget. The narrator referred to him as a "3-time Mr. Universe". When his picture (in his prime) was shown, the caption of "3-time Mr. Universe" was in BIG letter; the 3-time Mr. Olympia caption was in much smaller letters.
tbh, i don't think any of these titles mean anything beyond to pretty much any lay person... nobody knows what mr. olympia, the arnold classic, or mr. universe is. they all just translate to "muscleman contest".
amongst bodybuilding "fans", the O is king, of course
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"At 27 years old [Vince Comerford] was paid $125K each year for the two years he participated in the WBF. That was decent money in 1990."
He got that payday for just participating... never mind where he placed in the contest. Compare that with what guys get today for coming in 4th or 5th place in any contest. ;D :(
$125K in 1990 adjusted for inflation would have the buying power of $227,650 in 2014
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Fuck Weider.
If McMahon had been successful, the entire industry would have benefited to this very day.
There's only so far a bodybuilding show can be entertainment wise. For the past several damn decades, it's been boring as shit. I get tickets to these contests, and I don't even show up to watch! Under Vince's rule, at least the entertainment aspect would have been optimal for what it is.
Weider's people had NO IDEA how to entertain or invest in talent and people.
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tbh, i don't think any of these titles mean anything beyond to pretty much any lay person... nobody knows what mr. olympia, the arnold classic, or mr. universe is. they all just translate to "muscleman contest".
amongst bodybuilding "fans", the O is king, of course
The Universe does. That automatically says you're the best bodybuilder on the planet (or were at one time).
The Olympia is king now among bodybuilding fans. But, the Universe (particularly NABBA's version) was the top title well into the 70s. Sergio Oliva, despite his 3 Mr. O wins, went to NABBA to win the Universe. He (and others) lost to Bill Pearl.
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I was always a fan of the nicknames, like The Toast of the Town, Gary Strydom. Major Guns, Eddie Robinson.
Seriously, nicknames were an awful idea.
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I was always a fan of the nicknames, like The Toast of the Town, Gary Strydom. Major Guns, Eddie Robinson.
Seriously, nicknames were an awful idea.
A handful of guys had nicknames in the IFBB (Mighty Mike Quinn, "The Flexing Dutchman" Berry DeMey, "The Iron Warrior" Mike Christian). The WBF just went overboard and gave such names to all the guys.
Tony Pearson was "The Jetman" because of his wide back (even though it's well documented that he hates flying). Aaron Baker couldn't do the Batman bit for obvious reason. So, instead of being the Dark Knight, Baker became the Dark Angel. Eddie Robinson's gimmick was based on those military gear photoshoots he did in 1990.
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A handful of guys had nicknames in the IFBB (Mighty Mike Quinn, "The Flexing Dutchman" Berry DeMey, "The Iron Warrior" Mike Christian). The WBF just went overboard and gave such names to all the guys.
Tony Pearson was "The Jetman" because of his wide back (even though it's well documented that he hates flying). Aaron Baker couldn't do the Batman bit for obvious reason. So, instead of being the Dark Knight, Baker became the Dark Angel. Eddie Robinson's gimmick was based on those military gear photoshoots he did in 1990.
THE 'EXECUTIONER'LOL...
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Fuck Weider.
If McMahon had been successful, the entire industry would have benefited to this very day.
There's only so far a bodybuilding show can be entertainment wise. For the past several damn decades, it's been boring as shit. I get tickets to these contests, and I don't even show up to watch! Under Vince's rule, at least the entertainment aspect would have been optimal for what it is.
Weider's people had NO IDEA how to entertain or invest in talent and people.
Agreed. What totally destroyed the WBF was the Dr. George Zahorian trial. Vince distanced himself from bodybuilding after that. If not for the steroid trial, things may have been very different in Pro Bodybuilding.
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Fuck Weider.
If McMahon had been successful, the entire industry would have benefited to this very day.
There's only so far a bodybuilding show can be entertainment wise. For the past several damn decades, it's been boring as shit. I get tickets to these contests, and I don't even show up to watch! Under Vince's rule, at least the entertainment aspect would have been optimal for what it is.
Weider's people had NO IDEA how to entertain or invest in talent and people.
Weider was highly lucky that the WBF started right when the WWE was being investigated for steroid and drug use by wrestlers
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The article written by Peter McGough on it - an excellent article detailing the rise and fall of the WBF.
http://www.getbig.com/articles/faq-wbf.htm
It took about 18 months and 15 million in losses for the federation to go away. Yes, they paid a lot to their athletes, but it came and went quickly.
He seems very angry about the whole situation.
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He seems very angry about the whole situation.
McGough is engaging in revisionist history. He pretends that the WBF simply fizzled out, due to the IFBB's superiority. But when Lou Ferrigno signed with the WBF, the Weider crew was scared and he knows it.
Lou bailed when the WBF started drug testing (the attempt to replace him with Lex Luger is another issue altogether).
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The facts are no one in the Weider organization made an inroad to investing in their most prized commodity: the bodybuilders.
It took outsiders, like Vince McMahon and Steve Blechman, to break the mold for appearance & endorsement contracts, and publishing contracts for the guys.
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The facts are no one in the Weider organization made an inroad to investing in their most prized commodity: the bodybuilders.
It took outsiders, like Vince McMahon and Steve Blechman, to break the mold for appearance & endorsement contracts, and publishing contracts for the guys.
I don't consider Blechman an outsider. He was involved in bodybuilding for years, when he and his family owned Twinlab. Prior to the WBF, the Weider's main feud was with Twinlab. MD vs. Flex, especially when MD went through what I call its identity crisis, changing to MDFH and ANMD (Muscular-Development-Fitness-Health and All-Natural-Muscular-Development, respectively).
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I don't consider Blechman an outsider. He was involved in bodybuilding for years, when he and his family owned Twinlab. Prior to the WBF, the Weider's main feud was with Twinlab. MD vs. Flex, especially when MD went through what I call its identity crisis, changing to MDFH and ANMD (Muscular-Development-Fitness-Health and All-Natural-Muscular-Development, respectively).
After 2001, Blechman sold his stock in Twinlab and bought MD. Then steroids (and the sperm-swallowing habits of certain pseudo-fitness girls) were celebrated.