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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Royalty on November 27, 2014, 07:10:45 AM
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....On bench press. I'm gonna start doing bench press like this again
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How wide?
Personally, I find that a shoulder-width grip, give or take one hand's width, is best for all exercises. Any wider or narrower and either my strength goes to shit or it hurts my joints
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How wide?
Personally, I find that a shoulder-width grip, give or take one hand's width, is best for all exercises. Any wider or narrower and either my strength goes to shit or it hurts my joints
I will do wide, medium, and narrow grip...
I will go for higher reps with the wide grip.
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i might try wider stance for push ups (i dont do anything else for chest)
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i might try wider stance for push ups (i dont do anything else for chest)
Yeah... less tricep activity & and more outer pec fiber recruitment
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Do you realise how wide Ruhl and Coleman ? Ruhl is wide than a fucking plane, like litteraly twice as wide as Heath
Ultra wide grip bench is a recipe for disaster for an average/narrow dude
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Do you realise how wide Ruhl and Coleman ? Ruhl is wide than a fucking plane, like litteraly twice as wide as Heath
Ultra wide grip bench is a recipe for disaster for an average/narrow dude
I used to bench super wide.... I just haven't done it in a while.
Trust me; I won't be doing any 1 rep max's with the wide grip
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they are just that wide
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Ronnie and Markus both use(d) ultra high dosages. That's the one and only reason they were as big as they were/are.
Too wide a grip is likely to be rough on your joints later in life. Dammit! I am now in that "later in life" situation!
;D ;D
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Bear in mind that the bar is pretty much a fixed width, and shoulder width varies - a narrower person may appear to use a regular grip but they are pressing wide, and a wide person may appear to be pressing wide, but regular.
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I used to bench super wide.... I just haven't done it in a while.
Trust me; I won't be doing any 1 rep max's with the wide grip
shortens the range of motion. If you want to really target chest do pre exhaust ;) Wide grip shoulder stress...wide chest ..no. a myth
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I feel like wide grip with elbows flared out on flat bench is just asking for injury
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I was looking at pics of Arnold benching... He went pretty wide
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Serge Nubret
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Serge Nubret
shortens the range of motion. I always train with a medium grip. The thinking in these Days was to take the triceps out of the exercise. You canīt take front delts out of it or triceps. Basic anatomy. Itīs like Chins. wide grip wide lats...Bollocks. Look At Yates with his "undergrip" Rows.
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shortens the range of motion. I always train with a medium grip. The thinking in these Days was to take the triceps out of the exercise. You canīt take front delts out of it or triceps. Basic anatomy. Itīs like Chins. wide grip wide lats...Bollocks. Look At Yates with his "undergrip" Rows.
I'm gonna use all grip widths.... But obviously go much lighter if I'm using a wide, or a really narrow grip
If nothing else; changing the grips keeps things from getting boring
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I'm gonna use all grip widths.... But obviously go much lighter if I'm using a wide, or a really narrow grip
If nothing else; changing the grips keeps things from getting boring
Bottom line is ..Do what works for YOU.
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i dont think they are using a wide grip. it actually looks like a medium grip. it looks wide because they are on the tall side and wide.
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Do you realise how wide Ruhl and Coleman ? Ruhl is wide than a fucking plane, like litteraly twice as wide as Heath
Ultra wide grip bench is a recipe for disaster for an average/narrow dude
Here we say Ruhl is 2.0 heaths.
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It boils down to the individual i think. If a very wide grip hurts your shoulders then bring it in. If not then i say incorporate it. I've done wide grip before but my strength goes down considerably.
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It boils down to the individual i think. If a very wide grip hurts your shoulders then bring it in. If not then i say incorporate it. I've done wide grip before but my strength goes down considerably.
I think that is due to less help from the triceps.... and less leverage
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Yeah... less tricep activity & and more outer pec fiber recruitment
Outer pec?
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maybe it's why Ruhl developed a steinberger inner chest
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Outer pec?
I think that outer area is stressed (and stretched) a bit more with the wide grip. The pec gets a better stretch when the hands are out wide
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maybe it's why Ruhl developed a steinberger inner chest
At some point; he tore his pec. It was odd. He tore it at the sternum. Usually guys tear it at the armpit.
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That grip is pretty common in power lifting with some good benchers that I have seen - the forearms are pretty much straight -hands and elbows in a straight line to maximize strength among pecs ,tri's , delts ...
Strong, big dudes for sure !
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Only idiots use barbells, use dumbbells or hammer machines if you got a brain.
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Only idiots use barbells, use dumbbells or hammer machines if you got a brain.
For some reason I feel the Hammer Machine more in my triceps
But yes; Dumbbells are best
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Only idiots use barbells, use dumbbells or hammer machines if you got a brain.
Nice pre historic way of seing things....
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How wide?
Personally, I find that a shoulder-width grip, give or take one hand's width, is best for all exercises. Any wider or narrower and either my strength goes to shit or it hurts my joints
Well, those pictures sure contradict what you are saying.
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theres no such thing as inner/outer chest ::)
(http://www.myhousecallmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Pectoral-Anatomy1.jpg)
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Well, those pictures sure contradict what you are saying.
It seems as though you may have missed the qualifier "Personally" found within my post
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theres no such thing as inner/outer chest ::)
(http://www.myhousecallmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Pectoral-Anatomy1.jpg)
Well I will say this: It "feels" like the fibers that are located near the armpit get stretched a bit more if I use a wide grip.
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Well I will say this: It "feels" like the fibers that are located near the armpit get stretched a bit more if I use a wide grip.
It's utter bro-science but I've always found pressing to make the pecs wider, and fly-movements to make the pecs thicker.
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Wide grips busted my rotator cuffs.
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Only idiots use barbells, use dumbbells or hammer machines if you got a brain.
Arnold, Serge, Sergio, Franco, Robby, and the whole 60s,70s gang beg to differ.
Bertil Fox used both, and when he did dumbbells, one side went up faster than the other.
I guess one needs to use what gives them the best results.
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It seems as though you may have missed the qualifier "Personally" found within my post
No, I didn't.
Unless you're either one of the guys in the picture (the ones with exceptional chest development) what you say can be either personal or impersonal. Either way it's inconsequential.
It's like me saying "I don't agree with Nietzsche".
That's where I'm firing from.
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Sergio used a wide grip,and look at his pecs.
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The one thing that I don't like about Dumbbells is this: getting them into position to be pressed.
Rocking back with heavy Dumbbells.... While twisting them in mid-air, irritates my shoulders.
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Arnold, Serge, Sergio, Franco, Robby, and the whole 60s,70s gang beg to differ.
Bertil Fox used both, and when he did dumbbells, one side went up faster than the other.
I guess one needs to use what gives them the best results.
Those are all extraordinary bodybuilders. I am talking about what applies to typical gym members, most are a lot taller and narrower than the ones you mentioned. Length of the arms will determine the effectiveness of the exercise choice in targeting the pecs.
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Those are all extraordinary bodybuilders. I am talking about what applies to typical gym members, most are a lot taller and narrower than the ones you mentioned. Length of the arms will determine the effectiveness of the exercise choice in targeting the pecs.
It seems that the majority of bbers in the 70s had great pecs, and used barbells. This was noted in another thread about a year ago. A lot more could be listed than above. And as far as height, Arnold was what 6'2, Serge Nubret was 6'1, Sergio was 5'9, Lou at 6'4, Franco was 5'4-5'5, Robby was 5'7, Bertil was 5'10.
So, all of these guys had great chests and run the gammit of a 6'4 Lou to 5'4-5'5 Franco. Which dismisses your "a lot taller and and narrower" comment.
True, arm length does account, but there are other factors.
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It seems that the majority of bbers in the 70s had great pecs, and used barbells. This was noted in another thread about a year ago. A lot more could be listed than above. And as far as height, Arnold was what 6'2, Serge Nubret was 6'1, Sergio was 5'9, Lou at 6'4, Franco was 5'4-5'5, Robby was 5'7, Bertil was 5'10.
So, all of these guys had great chests and run the gammit of a 6'4 Lou to 5'4-5'5 Franco. Which dismisses your "a lot taller and and narrower" comment.
True, arm length does account, but there are other factors.
I'm just basing this on my personal experience and observing average guys in the gym lifting over the years. The bench warriors never had any chest development. Those elite bodybuilders from the 70's had supreme genetics, far better than most pros today. Also, they trained hours upon hours and used so many different exercises it is hard to determine which exercise caused what effect. I personally started seeing vast improvements after I dropped the barbell bench and switched it with dumbbells.
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Wide-grip bench presses is an old-school exercise that well-predates Arnold and his crew.
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Bear in mind that the bar is pretty much a fixed width, and shoulder width varies - a narrower person may appear to use a regular grip but they are pressing wide, and a wide person may appear to be pressing wide, but regular.
x2 It doesn't look to me like they are using an especially wide grip. Both have fairly long arms and broad shoulders so of course they will be gripping the bar at wider spots than some narrow tit.
Lots of getbiggers frequently keep "bears" in mind.
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Only idiots use barbells, use dumbbells or hammer machines if you got a brain.
so.. disregard Arnolds advices, ok...
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so.. disregard Arnolds advices, ok...
Shut the fuck up disgusting golem :-X
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The one thing that I don't like about Dumbbells is this: getting them into position to be pressed.
Rocking back with heavy Dumbbells.... While twisting them in mid-air, irritates my shoulders.
You might want to do what's called the reverse bench press. Use a power rack and start with the bar down.
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Shut the fuck up disgusting golem :-X
Suck me off like a good little bitch. Or do I have to use synthol and be short and bald to get some from you?
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I wonder if it has something to do with the stretch position in training. A lot of studies have shown that it's during the stretch position that causes the most trauma and muscle stimulation. Those guys at Iron Man has built a career on their "X-Reps" theory which is just doing partials or burns, as they use to called. Larry Scott once claimed that he made the most progress when he did "burns" or "partials" at the end of a set. Jason Huh base his whole training on just doing partials that it doesn't even look like he's working out. Sure he takes drugs but he is one of the most massively muscle guys out there.
The wide grip bench seems to primarily focus on the stretched position of the movement. Also, if you notice, most pros don't seem to train with strict form and just throw the weights around. That type of training also focuses and puts most of the stress/resistance in the stretched position.
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Suck me off like a good little bitch. Or do I have to use synthol and be short and bald to get some from you?
NOBODY is going to suck your 4" shriveled up cock.
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shortens the range of motion. I always train with a medium grip. The thinking in these Days was to take the triceps out of the exercise. You canīt take front delts out of it or triceps. Basic anatomy. Itīs like Chins. wide grip wide lats...Bollocks. Look At Yates with his "undergrip" Rows.
youve nailed it on several accounts in this thread.
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theres no such thing as inner/outer chest ::)
(http://www.myhousecallmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Pectoral-Anatomy1.jpg)
Jim Stoppani says there is...
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"While there are no "upper" and "lower" chest muscles, its a physiomechanical matter of course that different exercise and working angles will stress ascending, descending and lateral fibers to a different degree. So, while it may be impossible to isolate certain fiber strands, it is well possible to shift the main workload from one strand to the other by selecting appropriate exercises."
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/07/suppversity-emg-series-musculus.html
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"While there are no "upper" and "lower" chest muscles, its a physiomechanical matter of course that different exercise and working angles will stress ascending, descending and lateral fibers to a different degree. So, while it may be impossible to isolate certain fiber strands, it is well possible to shift the main workload from one strand to the other by selecting appropriate exercises."
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/07/suppversity-emg-series-musculus.html
yes i have also seen a similar test. Results were the same from sporthochschule Köln. Decline press is a great exercise. I agree with your post. Incline press if the angle is not too steep works for me. your post is spot on in my opinion.
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Ok calm down guys.
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Do a triceps pushdown the way that Bertil does them with the elbows flaring out,and you`ll feel it in the inner chest the following day.
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NOBODY is going to suck your 4" shriveled up cock.
You're mother says i'm hung like a wild boar ;)
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You're mother says i'm hung like a wild boar ;)
When you asked why she turned you down. She is a good woman, who believes a white lie doesn't hurt to salvage an unfortunate gollem's self esteem.
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When you asked why she turned you down. She is a good woman, who believes a white lie doesn't hurt to salvage an unfortunate gollem's self esteem.
She is a good woman but unfortunately couldn't resist getting fucked by a crackhead and having an autistic son
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She is a good woman but unfortunately couldn't resist getting fucked by a crackhead and having an autistic son
You still do not realize that your average crack head is a thousand times more desirable to a woman than a deformed gollem.
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You still do not realize that your average crack head is a thousand times more desirable to a woman than a deformed gollem.
Fuck you get my blood boiling!!
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I'm just basing this on my personal experience and observing average guys in the gym lifting over the years. The bench warriors never had any chest development. Those elite bodybuilders from the 70's had supreme genetics, far better than most pros today. Also, they trained hours upon hours and used so many different exercises it is hard to determine which exercise caused what effect. I personally started seeing vast improvements after I dropped the barbell bench and switched it with dumbbells.
So, you are saying the guys from the 70s had Supreme genetics. But most people including writers tend to agree that the era with the best genetics were the 90s. And most people tend to agree that the drugs have ruined the sport, and that many of the Pros today, look better when they first got their Pro card. Branch Warren is known for his thick chest, and so is JOJ. One could say that JOJ is right up there with greats in terms of chest. Ronnie Coleman as well.
Here are some more. Notice arms and delts are not as big.
(http://www.gymmorris.com/photos/stars%20and%20stripes%202.jpg)
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So, you are saying the guys from the 70s had Supreme genetics. But most people including writers tend to agree that the era with the best genetics were the 90s. And most people tend to agree that the drugs have ruined the sport, and that many of the Pros today, look better when they first got their Pro card. Branch Warren is known for his thick chest, and so is JOJ. One could say that JOJ is right up there with greats in terms of chest. Ronnie Coleman as well.
Here are some more. Notice arms and delts are not as big.
The most pronounced difference is the size of the delts. Their delts were not nearly as big and round as pros of today. How does one explain that? Are pros today all oil and inflamation? Or is it really the new drug protocols that blow up the delts?
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The most pronounced difference is the size of the delts. Their delts were not nearly as big and round as pros of today. How does one explain that? Are pros today all oil and inflamation? Or is it really the new drug protocols that blow up the delts?
You're right about the delts. That seems to be the biggest difference between today and bbers from the 70s-80s. That and quads with Platz being a notable exception. But even Platz was the acknowledged freak in that area. Now Platz-like quads are routine today. Jay's left quad back in the day could more than hang with Platz in his prime.
But nobody had delts back in those days like they routinely have now. I think that it's a requirement today and you will get them any way you can. Be it drugs or oil one way or another you're not going on stage at a pro level without your delts being the size of your head.
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I think the today pros have more focus on delts/rear delts from the side. I guess the focus in the 70ies was pretty much arms and chest! The sport was far away from developed. U never talked about rear delt, calves, glutes, hamstring, low lat insertion, granieness etc...and beside that they where all very smooth looking amatuer boys...
Every sport has its progress...
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triceps was a forgotten muscle aswell!
Arnold was the role modell back in the days bcz he was the Mr 0 and in that way he sat the standard for how you should look. No triceps, shoulders, legs hamstring...front latspread reveals his lack of muscles in those parts...maybe thats why he never did that pose!
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I always prefer a wider grip myself.
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It explains their developement
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Fuck you get my blood boiling!!
(http://i.imgur.com/Ej3frNT.gif)
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Increases the injury risk. Keep hands in line with your elbows.