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Title: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 28, 2014, 01:09:45 PM
And more realistically to 50-60? While the rest of the world is now living to 85 and beyond. The government thanks you and will eat your pensions, free money  :) :)
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on November 28, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
Yep
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: FermiDirac on November 28, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
They have increased healthcare cost in socialist countries with free healthcare. On the plus side, they do bump the GDP by being in a risk group.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ritch on November 28, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
as a juicer yourself, how about you answer your own question?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 28, 2014, 01:42:10 PM
as a juicer yourself, how about you answer your own question?
I hope to find another way to look juiced up that does not require juice and dying young. I have been reading Falcon's theories on electro magnetic force fields and am trying to apply them to natural hypertrophy.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: thegamechanger on November 28, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
what about waiting until youre 60-70 before you start juicing, how long can you live then  ???
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Competitor 9 on November 28, 2014, 01:43:30 PM
Just means I get to spend my retirement in a shorter time frame... I'm ok with that
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 28, 2014, 01:47:23 PM
Nope, that's why I stopped.  Life is short enough as it is.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 28, 2014, 01:48:58 PM
Nope, that's why I stopped.  Life is short enough as it is.
How have you been coping with shrinking into an average sack of shit?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: thebrink on November 28, 2014, 01:50:27 PM
What age is Arnold

'you can go on forever arnold'
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: jr on November 28, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
Well, my mother in her 70's is in a nursing home with multiple sclerosis and dementia. So, in that case I'd rather be dead by 70.

Anyway, where's the evidence that steroid users will live to 60-70 at best?

I think as long as your bloods are good, cholesterol and blood pressure are under control and you don't abuse, then whats the problem?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 28, 2014, 01:53:07 PM
Well, my mother in her 70's is in a nursing home with multiple sclerosis and dementia. So, in that case I'd rather be dead by 70.

Anyway, where's the evidence that steroid users will live to 60-70 at best?

I think as long as your bloods are good, cholesterol and blood pressure are under control and you don't abuse, then whats the problem?
Steroids speed up cell division.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
Here's what I don't understand....

How come AnabolicHalo pretends to love bodybuilding so much, but now decides to log into this gimmick account with the same IP address he has used before in order bash bodybuilding?

Halo, why are you using this juicemachine gimmick to now bash bodybuilding?

"1"
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: jr on November 28, 2014, 01:55:01 PM
Steroids speed up cell division.

Other lifestyle factors can slow down aging such as weight training, low calorie dieting, certain supplements.

Maybe the aging effects of responsible use of steroids  can be cancelled out by these above factors?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 28, 2014, 02:05:20 PM
Other lifestyle factors can slow down aging such as weight training, low calorie dieting, certain supplements.

Maybe the aging effects of responsible use of steroids  can be cancelled out by these above factors?
Doubtful
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByaGIJKCMAAkhvA.jpg:large)

35 and 25 year old bodybuilders^^^^
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Tennisballz on November 28, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
Other lifestyle factors can slow down aging such as weight training, low calorie dieting, certain supplements.

Maybe the aging effects of responsible use of steroids  can be cancelled out by these above factors?
I wouldn't listen to that guy on this subject.  Obviously there are many many factors that affect aging and lifespan.  Genetics, diet, stress, alcohol and recreational drug use, activity level just to name a few.  I personally dont use steroids because it's not the right path for me but who in the hell am i to pass judgement on those that do? If its the right choice for you then play the game as smart as you can, enjoy yourself and don't ABUSE them.  In the end, if it makes you feel better about yourself and it's not hurting anyone else then i see nothing wrong with it and Im sure you can live to a ripe old age.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: jr on November 28, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Doubtful
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByaGIJKCMAAkhvA.jpg:large)

35 and 25 year old bodybuilders^^^^

They are abusers of all kinds of drugs in large amounts.

Someone who does 500mg test a couple times a year is a different story.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ritch on November 28, 2014, 02:11:46 PM
I hope to find another way to look juiced up that does not require juice and dying young. I have been reading Falcon's theories on electro magnetic force fields and am trying to apply them to natural hypertrophy.

I think if you blast and cruise going no higher than 1.5gr of gear total then cruise at 200ish, one can be jacked and live long. But the blast doses will diminish with age or the the person is probably putting themselves at risk.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: FermiDirac on November 28, 2014, 02:11:56 PM
Here's what I don't understand....

How come AnabolicHalo pretends to love bodybuilding so much, but now decides to log into this gimmick account with the same IP address he has used before in order bash bodybuilding?

Halo, why are you using this juicemachine gimmick to now bash bodybuilding?

"1"


Woah?!

Talk about busted.  :-\
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Tennisballz on November 28, 2014, 02:14:54 PM
Doubtful
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByaGIJKCMAAkhvA.jpg:large)

35 and 25 year old bodybuilders^^^^

This is no different than alcoholics.  A few beers now and then isn't gonna decrease your life span, but heavy drinking everyday will.  This thread of yours is more about ABUSE of steroids, not intelligent mild/moderate use.  You're just looking to get a rise out of people here.  ::)
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: MAXX on November 28, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
What age is Arnold
he could afford state of the art heart surgery
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: MAXX on November 28, 2014, 02:16:08 PM
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2415vo4.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2014, 02:16:22 PM
Haha, busted ;D :D

Oh, I love it...

In one breath, he is talking about how life is all about bodybuilding and how nothing else matters beyond getting huge and having women melt over the size of your muscles (while using the AnabolicHalo account), but while using this other gimmick of his, he resorts to posting shit like this about bodybuilders and the bodybuilding lifestyle:

And more realistically to 50-60? While the rest of the world is now living to 85 and beyond. The government thanks you and will eat your pensions, free money  :) :)

This can only end in laughter and tears once the clothes come off. ???

(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/wZSXs6dvoac/mqdefault.jpg)

Not at all, I am just saying that an average dick on a monsterous body looks ridiculous and is no doubt a big disappointment for a woman attracted to that "big monster" she met in a nightclub.

Is he having some sort of Dissociative Identity Disorder, whereby he plays the proverbial act of a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde?

"1"
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 28, 2014, 02:17:47 PM
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2415vo4.jpg)

 ;D
In the morning, when my face is a little puffy, I put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches (I can do a thousand now).
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: basil on November 28, 2014, 02:21:23 PM
Other lifestyle factors can slow down aging such as weight training, low calorie dieting, certain supplements.

Maybe the aging effects of responsible use of steroids  can be cancelled out by these above factors?

Acetyl L carnitine + r-ala + cq10 ftw.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on November 28, 2014, 02:21:41 PM
Here's what I don't understand....

How come AnabolicHalo pretends to love bodybuilding so much, but now decides to log into this gimmick account with the same IP address he has used before in order bash bodybuilding?

Halo, why are you using this juicemachine gimmick to now bash bodybuilding?

"1"


More gimmicks should be busted/outed in this manner.  Way too many of them ruining this forum.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
More gimmicks should be busted/outed in this manner.  Way too many of them ruining this forum.

I agree.

.....but I am trying to be nice, because surely this is just the signs of a man in mourning, who then decides to fuck around and bash bodybuilding...

Oh brother.... ::)

"1"
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: MAXX on November 28, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
In the morning, when my face is a little puffy, I put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches (I can do a thousand now).
hahaha

watch this man



"what do you want me to do with that, floss with it?"

"-are you using minoxidil

 -no I'm not why should I

-your hairline looks like it's receding"

two of the worst burns a woman could give to a man  ;D
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: FermiDirac on November 28, 2014, 02:33:05 PM
Juicemachine, surely you cannot hate on Ronald Dean Coleman? The greatest in bodybuild history, his arms could have gotten golden pussy from sweet 18 y old domenicana or thai. ??? ???

(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=43056&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 28, 2014, 02:47:37 PM
How have you been coping with shrinking into an average sack of shit?

Very easily.  Steroid muscles were a small part of who I was, so it wasn't hard to transition to life without them
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: BigRo on November 28, 2014, 03:00:53 PM
Not cool to hear this juicemachine account is Halo. I thought he was a real brother of the Iron  :(
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2014, 03:05:04 PM
Not cool to hear this juicemachine account is Halo. I thought he was a real brother of the Iron  :(

Well Ro, you have to understand that Halo posted this a while back:

I see that my last and most important thread has been moved to "random ramblings"

with that I bid you all goodbye

sons of bitches that you are

to my friends best to you all

you know who you are

Halo

So, now, in order to keep the persona going and pushing the whole angle of having to mourn, he instead has to log in with another gimmick and pretend to hate bodybuilding, while bashing their lifespan and dick sizes.

You know, this is how you give a gimmick a little life. You send out a brand new gimmick to be "studded" in the forum (Let it build a reputation, make some friends, heck, might even gather a following).

"1"
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: FermiDirac on November 28, 2014, 03:08:05 PM
Well Ro, you have to understand that Halo posted this a while back:

So, now, in order to keep the persona going and pushing the whole angle of having to mourn, he instead has to log in with another gimmick and pretend to hate bodybuilding, while bashing their lifespan and dick sizes.

You know, this is how you give a gimmick a little life. You send out a brand new gimmick to be "studded" in the forum (Let it build a reputation, make some friends, heck, might even gather a following).

"1"

But why he not post through proxy? That way mods can't see he on a Cuban IP? ???
Wonder if he sits in tank top in badly ventilated Cuban internet café, smoking a cigar and a sweet domenica in his lap.
 :-[ :'(  :(
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: latiuss on November 28, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
what about waiting until youre 60-70 before you start juicing, how long can you live then  ???

Im actually helping someone do that at the mo, 60 year old man on 250mg of test e a week. Its been about 5weeks and already body comp has changed, fat loss with firmer muscles.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: latiuss on November 28, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
Im actually helping someone do that at the mo, 60 year old man on 250mg of test e a week. Its been about 5weeks and already body comp has changed, fat loss with firmer muscles.

The person im helping has never smoked, never been a drinker, is just overweight. Goig to add either primo, anavar maybe low dose of winny.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: thegamechanger on November 28, 2014, 03:15:52 PM
internet serious business!
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Thong Maniac on November 28, 2014, 03:58:40 PM
I always wonder how blood tests that look good are just sugar coating what really is going on. For example, if your lipids look perfect, that doesnt show that your heart is enlarging or other cardiac issues. So i dunno
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Thong Maniac on November 28, 2014, 04:00:14 PM
The person im helping has never smoked, never been a drinker, is just overweight. Goig to add either primo, anavar maybe low dose of winny.

Anavar and winny is a mistake for anyone of that age. Say goodbye to HdL.

Primo and test is fine.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: residue on November 28, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
he could afford state of the art heart surgery
in 40 years when i'm 70 it won't be state of the art it'll be commonplace. not to mention we're probably only a decade from printing 3d organs for transplant
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: latiuss on November 28, 2014, 05:27:27 PM
Anavar and winny is a mistake for anyone of that age. Say goodbye to HdL.

Primo and test is fine.

So instead of the 25-50mg of winny for 4weeks do 200mg of primo enth for 8-10weeks, then drop it cruise on just test then repeat?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Army of One on November 28, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
Other lifestyle factors can slow down aging such as weight training, low calorie dieting, certain supplements.

Maybe the aging effects of responsible use of steroids  can be cancelled out by these above factors?

Nope


“”Adult male laboratory mice were exposed for 6 months to a combination of four anabolic-androgenic steroids of the kinds and at the relative levels to which human athletes and body builders expose themselves. The four steroids included testosterone, two 17-alkylated steroids, and an ester, and they were given at doses that totaled either 5 or 20 times normal androgenic maintenance levels for mice. By the time the survivors were 20 months old (1 yr after the termination of steroid exposure), 52% of the mice given the high dose of steroids had died compared with 35% of the mice given the low dose and only 12% of the control mice given no exogenous hormones (P < 0.001). Autopsy of the steroid-treated mice typically revealed tumors in the liver or kidney, other kinds of damage to these two organs, broadly invase lymphosarcomas, or heart damage, and usually more than one of these conditions. It can be concluded that the life span of male mice is decreased dramatically by exposing them for 6 months to the kinds and relative levels of anabolic steroids used by many athletes and body builders.
PMID:
9140897
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] “”
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: jr on November 28, 2014, 06:14:58 PM
Nope


“”Adult male laboratory mice were exposed for 6 months to a combination of four anabolic-androgenic steroids of the kinds and at the relative levels to which human athletes and body builders expose themselves. The four steroids included testosterone, two 17-alkylated steroids, and an ester, and they were given at doses that totaled either 5 or 20 times normal androgenic maintenance levels for mice. By the time the survivors were 20 months old (1 yr after the termination of steroid exposure), 52% of the mice given the high dose of steroids had died compared with 35% of the mice given the low dose and only 12% of the control mice given no exogenous hormones (P < 0.001). Autopsy of the steroid-treated mice typically revealed tumors in the liver or kidney, other kinds of damage to these two organs, broadly invase lymphosarcomas, or heart damage, and usually more than one of these conditions. It can be concluded that the life span of male mice is decreased dramatically by exposing them for 6 months to the kinds and relative levels of anabolic steroids used by many athletes and body builders.
PMID:
9140897
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] “”


The average lifespan of a mouse is two years in captivity.

So they exposed the mice to the equivalent of 500mg to 2000mg in human terms of four different types of steroids for 6 months which would be one quarter of their life non-stop.

Two of these steroids were oral steroids equivalents such as dianabol or anadrol which are harsh on the liver.

So it like a human taking 400mg of test/deca and 100mg dbol/anavar per week non stop for 20 years.

Or with the larger dose 750mg test, 750 tren, 500 dbol/anadrol for 20 years continuously.  ::)

No wonder they got tumors from the orals, and kidney problems from high blood pressure for a quarter of their lifespan.

This is irresponsible use. Who does this apart from pro bodybuilders or irresponsible/ignorant gymrats?

Did these mice have a nutritious diet and good exercise program as well, or otherwise look after their health?

Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Rambone on November 28, 2014, 07:28:37 PM
hahaha

watch this man



"what do you want me to do with that, floss with it?"

"-are you using minoxidil

 -no I'm not why should I

-your hairline looks like it's receding"

two of the worst burns a woman could give to a man  ;D

Never seen that before. Pretty funny scene
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: el numero uno on November 28, 2014, 08:22:05 PM
Here's what I don't understand....

How come AnabolicHalo pretends to love bodybuilding so much, but now decides to log into this gimmick account with the same IP address he has used before in order bash bodybuilding?

Halo, why are you using this juicemachine gimmick to now bash bodybuilding?

"1"


Halo is one fucked up individual.

Once again, how did he prove he was a real person? Because "pictors" don't really prove anything, he could be taking those pics from another site. In fact, I've seen his pictures posted in another forum.

Oh and how comes you can see his IP? I thought mods on GB couldn't do that.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Master Blaster on November 28, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
HHHHHmmmmmmmm....!!!
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: tommywishbone on November 28, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Oh look, my baby is dead. Guess I'll have to skip the gym and quit posting on getbig- for one or two days. OK little Nipsy is in the ground- time to blast chest & tris and post on getbig!
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Automation on November 28, 2014, 10:33:56 PM
Not cool to hear this juicemachine account is Halo. I thought he was a real brother of the Iron  :(

Hey Ro, told you so. (sorry, couldn't resist)  ;D
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 29, 2014, 08:03:04 AM




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Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 29, 2014, 08:18:07 AM
By that time, mother earth is prob dead anyway...
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 29, 2014, 08:39:54 AM
I look at this way but it's just me. Steroids are a risk to health no matter how you rationalize it. We all know the smoker who talks about the 80 year old they know who smokes. Personally the way I view it something is wrong with your self worth if you have to use a syringe to have your temporary ripped muscles to go through life. Most users don't even compete. They just need the compliments of the people in the dark about how they got there.

A guy dating my daughter had an interesting viewpoint when he described his take on bodybuilding. He said in effect I runs like a lunatic most days, I lift weights and do body weight stuff, and I train in MMA both stand up and ground. I don't look like a bodybuilder but at least I'm not a cosmetic athlete whose cosmetics come from a needle.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: simon on November 29, 2014, 09:08:48 AM
or how bout not giving a fly fuck about what anyone thinks or about a plastic trophy and just doing it for yourself because you enjoy it.  eat as healthy as possible, work with a doc and don't abuse.  troll on guy
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ritch on November 29, 2014, 09:19:28 AM
I look at this way but it's just me. Steroids are a risk to health no matter how you rationalize it. We all know the smoker who talks about the 80 year old they know who smokes. Personally the way I view it something is wrong with your self worth if you have to use a syringe to have your temporary ripped muscles to go through life. Most users don't even compete. They just need the compliments of the people in the dark about how they got there.

A guy dating my daughter had an interesting viewpoint when he described his take on bodybuilding. He said in effect I runs like a lunatic most days, I lift weights and do body weight stuff, and I train in MMA both stand up and ground. I don't look like a bodybuilder but at least I'm not a cosmetic athlete whose cosmetics come from a needle.

So your daughter is dating one of those MMA guys who I bet does shadow boxing in the gym... Nice, we all love those guys....
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on November 29, 2014, 09:39:27 AM
or how bout not giving a fly fuck about what anyone thinks or about a plastic trophy and just doing it for yourself because you enjoy it.  eat as healthy as possible, work with a doc and don't abuse.  troll on guy

This

So your daughter is dating one of those MMA guys who I bet does shadow boxing in the gym... Nice, we all love those guys....

LOL!
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 29, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
So your daughter is dating one of those MMA guys who I bet does shadow boxing in the gym... Nice, we all love those guys....
As a matter of fact those guys are the biggest hypocrites and wish they could look like a bodybuilder. They however cannot and so they self medicate themselves with dojo bravado.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on November 29, 2014, 09:45:31 AM
It takes a  really fucked up person to keep trolling hee with gimmics just days after  his baby died


It takes a really fucked up person to lie that your baby has died and go this far with it.


so if its all a lie or not he is still a real mental case that needs to seek some professional help.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Teutonic Knight on November 29, 2014, 12:20:44 PM
Here's what I don't understand....

How come AnabolicHalo pretends to love bodybuilding so much, but now decides to log into this gimmick account with the same IP address he has used before in order bash bodybuilding?

Halo, why are you using this juicemachine gimmick to now bash bodybuilding?

"1"


Simply: he is old Belgian boozer who uses his nephew images  ;) :D & pretends to be him  ;D
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Bevo on November 29, 2014, 01:01:47 PM
The person im helping has never smoked, never been a drinker, is just overweight. Goig to add either primo, anavar maybe low dose of winny.

Hope u know what u are doing... Otherwise this guy might run into health problems and u are to blame
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 29, 2014, 01:14:23 PM
I look at this way but it's just me. Steroids are a risk to health no matter how you rationalize it. We all know the smoker who talks about the 80 year old they know who smokes. Personally the way I view it something is wrong with your self worth if you have to use a syringe to have your temporary ripped muscles to go through life. Most users don't even compete. They just need the compliments of the people in the dark about how they got there.

A guy dating my daughter had an interesting viewpoint when he described his take on bodybuilding. He said in effect I runs like a lunatic most days, I lift weights and do body weight stuff, and I train in MMA both stand up and ground. I don't look like a bodybuilder but at least I'm not a cosmetic athlete whose cosmetics come from a needle.

I think you are concentraing on the wrong side of life.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 29, 2014, 01:15:47 PM
The person im helping has never smoked, never been a drinker, is just overweight. Goig to add either primo, anavar maybe low dose of winny.

Get him on GH. It may actually save his life, on the long run.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: latiuss on November 30, 2014, 04:58:18 AM
Hope u know what u are doing... Otherwise this guy might run into health problems and u are to blame
The person im helping is my father. Im being over cautious.
he had checks before he started, in two weeks wil have been about 7 weeks so will get another check, if probs will do trt 250 every fortnight instead of weekly.

Get him on GH. It may actually save his life, on the long run.

Yeah thats the next step just getting the person used to injections. So far theyve done every injection themself and had no problems so will prolly introduce the hgh week10ish.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: gracie bjj on November 30, 2014, 05:10:46 AM
i do TRT these days,right now im taking off 3 months from the TRT. HONESTLY i believe if a person gets yearly CHECK UPS/BLOOD WORK, even every 6 months if they choose and EATS CLEAN they can live a good long life like they where supposed to. i dont smoke,eat clean,i have a cheat meal once a week but no ones perfect i guess,it helps me though so i cant complain.my only down fall was rec drug usage,i started using opiates last year but im getting treated for it now and ill b off the medication soon,i dont drink either,i have in the past but never ever a alcoholic.weekend warrior drinker,friday night type of thing when i used to do it in my younger years. what im saying is if a person uses TRT, EATS CLEAN,STAYS AWAY FROM STUFF LIKE CIGARETTES,ALCOHOL,LIMITS STRESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND IS HAPPY THERES NO REASON WHY HIS LIFE HAS TO BE SHORTENED BY TRT USING,IM TALKING ABOUT TRT HERE NOW (NOT REGULAR HEAVY STEROID ABUSE)thats a whole nother story and YES i think that will have some negative affects in the LONG RUN being on LARGE DOSAGES for LONG PERIODS OF TIME
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: juicemachine on November 30, 2014, 05:18:53 AM
i do TRT these days,right now im taking off 3 months from the TRT. HONESTLY i believe if a person gets yearly CHECK UPS/BLOOD WORK, even every 6 months if they choose and EATS CLEAN they can live a good long life like they where supposed to. i dont smoke,eat clean,i have a cheat meal once a week but no ones perfect i guess,it helps me though so i cant complain.my only down fall was rec drug usage,i started using opiates last year but im getting treated for it now and ill b off the medication soon,i dont drink either,i have in the past but never ever a alcoholic.weekend warrior drinker,friday night type of thing when i used to do it in my younger years. what im saying is if a person uses TRT, EATS CLEAN,STAYS AWAY FROM STUFF LIKE CIGARETTES,ALCOHOL,LIMITS STRESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND IS HAPPY THERES NO REASON WHY HIS LIFE HAS TO BE SHORTENED BY TRT USING,IM TALKING ABOUT TRT HERE NOW (NOT REGULAR HEAVY STEROID ABUSE)thats a whole nother story and YES i think that will have some negative affects in the LONG RUN being on LARGE DOSAGES for LONG PERIODS OF TIME
What's the point of shrinking your nuts and taking away sexual pleasure that comes with shooting big loads for TRT? In fact, define TRT in exact dosages, it seems to be a concept that gets rather stretched on steroid boards.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: BigRo on November 30, 2014, 06:14:48 AM
have you taken sterons Juicemachine?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 06:15:34 AM
The person im helping is my father. Im being over cautious.
he had checks before he started, in two weeks wil have been about 7 weeks so will get another check, if probs will do trt 250 every fortnight instead of weekly.

Yeah thats the next step just getting the person used to injections. So far theyve done every injection themself and had no problems so will prolly introduce the hgh week10ish.

Good decision, props, it will benefit him on the long run. Just monitor PSA marker regulary (won't be an issue if no cancer in family, but just to make sure).
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 06:17:04 AM
i do TRT these days,right now im taking off 3 months from the TRT. HONESTLY i believe if a person gets yearly CHECK UPS/BLOOD WORK, even every 6 months if they choose and EATS CLEAN they can live a good long life like they where supposed to. i dont smoke,eat clean,i have a cheat meal once a week but no ones perfect i guess,it helps me though so i cant complain.my only down fall was rec drug usage,i started using opiates last year but im getting treated for it now and ill b off the medication soon,i dont drink either,i have in the past but never ever a alcoholic.weekend warrior drinker,friday night type of thing when i used to do it in my younger years. what im saying is if a person uses TRT, EATS CLEAN,STAYS AWAY FROM STUFF LIKE CIGARETTES,ALCOHOL,LIMITS STRESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND IS HAPPY THERES NO REASON WHY HIS LIFE HAS TO BE SHORTENED BY TRT USING,IM TALKING ABOUT TRT HERE NOW (NOT REGULAR HEAVY STEROID ABUSE)thats a whole nother story and YES i think that will have some negative affects in the LONG RUN being on LARGE DOSAGES for LONG PERIODS OF TIME

Regarding TRT, it's a nonsense to speak about shortening of a lifespan, as most probably it will be vice versa - longer and better quality life.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 30, 2014, 06:18:43 AM
The person im helping is my father. Im being over cautious.
he had checks before he started, in two weeks wil have been about 7 weeks so will get another check, if probs will do trt 250 every fortnight instead of weekly.

Yeah thats the next step just getting the person used to injections. So far theyve done every injection themself and had no problems so will prolly introduce the hgh week10ish.

Good thing he's in the experienced hands of a medical professional  ::)
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 06:18:47 AM
What's the point of shrinking your nuts and taking away sexual pleasure that comes with shooting big loads for TRT? In fact, define TRT in exact dosages, it seems to be a concept that gets rather stretched on steroid boards.

The point probably is: to counteract sarcopenia, bone loss, keep mental sharpness at it's best, libido high and a general well being and physical state of a body in a younger (healthier) genetic phenotype. Just that I guess..
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 06:20:30 AM
Good thing he's in the experienced hands of a medical professional  ::)

Not many professionals provide that supervision/advice on trt yet, unfortunately. depends on where one lives of course. Otherwise - they'd be doing the same - prescribe a common dose and monitor health through blood tests, not a rocked science. Pharma grade products would be a benefit tho'..
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 30, 2014, 06:28:36 AM
Not many professionals provide that supervision/advice on trt yet, unfortunately. depends on where one lives of course. Otherwise - they'd be doing the same - prescribe a common dose and monitor health through blood tests, not a rocked science. Pharma grade products would be a benefit tho'..

Carefully monitored hrt is one thing.

He is putting his 60 year old dad on a bodybuilding cycle, plain and simple.... that's absolutely fucking retarded no matter how you slice it
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 06:33:27 AM
Carefully monitored hrt is one thing.

He is putting his 60 year old dad on a bodybuilding cycle, plain and simple.... that's absolutely fucking retarded no matter how you slice it

Oh, I missed it. Well maybe his pops want to get jacked, so all responsibility goes to himself. I'd start very slowly tho', in that case. Merely 250test every 10 days and 3-4iu of good gh would improve his physical condition a lot at that age.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: pedro01 on November 30, 2014, 06:38:12 AM
The average lifespan of a mouse is two years in captivity.

So they exposed the mice to the equivalent of 500mg to 2000mg in human terms of four different types of steroids for 6 months which would be one quarter of their life non-stop.

Two of these steroids were oral steroids equivalents such as dianabol or anadrol which are harsh on the liver.

So it like a human taking 400mg of test/deca and 100mg dbol/anavar per week non stop for 20 years.

Or with the larger dose 750mg test, 750 tren, 500 dbol/anadrol for 20 years continuously.  ::)

No wonder they got tumors from the orals, and kidney problems from high blood pressure for a quarter of their lifespan.

This is irresponsible use. Who does this apart from pro bodybuilders or irresponsible/ignorant gymrats?

Did these mice have a nutritious diet and good exercise program as well, or otherwise look after their health?



Were the mice jacked though?
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: latiuss on November 30, 2014, 07:15:47 AM
Carefully monitored hrt is one thing.

He is putting his 60 year old dad on a bodybuilding cycle, plain and simple.... that's absolutely fucking retarded no matter how you slice it

Hardly a bodybuilding cycle. He is only taking 250mg a week he will do the 250mg fortnightly for couple months soon. Lol he even said to up the dose but i said nah train more first.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: gracie bjj on November 30, 2014, 07:37:21 AM
What's the point of shrinking your nuts and taking away sexual pleasure that comes with shooting big loads for TRT? In fact, define TRT in exact dosages, it seems to be a concept that gets rather stretched on steroid boards.

taking away sexual pleasure?just the opposite dude,im horny all the time on TRT. OFF TRT im not that horny at all,im almost 50 so the TRT is a life saver for me. doctor told me im extremely healthy and i get BLOOD WORK every 6 months to keep an eye on my ORGANS and my blood counts ect.as far as my nuts go they havent shrunk at all since ive been using TRT,same size as they usually where
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
taking away sexual pleasure?just the opposite dude,im horny all the time on TRT. OFF TRT im not that horny at all,im almost 50 so the TRT is a life saver for me. doctor told me im extremely healthy and i get BLOOD WORK every 6 months to keep an eye on my ORGANS and my blood counts ect.as far as my nuts go they havent shrunk at all since ive been using TRT,same size as they usually where

My good friend, he's 50, a few days ago said to me "I've been working night shift two days before yesterday, came back, slept for 6 hours, went to a gym, had a workout, then went to another job and AFTER it was a night shift again (that happens like once every two months) and next day after some sleep I was fresh and ready to go. Thanks god for the testosterone"...
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: oldgolds on November 30, 2014, 08:19:20 AM
The point probably is: to counteract sarcopenia, bone loss, keep mental sharpness at it's best, libido high and a general well being and physical state of a body in a younger (healthier) genetic phenotype. Just that I guess..

Say WHAT?...The most recent study says 30% higher chance of heart disease, stroke, and death..
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Natural Man on November 30, 2014, 08:25:15 AM
My good friend, he's 50, a few days ago said to me "I've been working night shift two days before yesterday, came back, slept for 6 hours, went to a gym, had a workout, then went to another job and AFTER it was a night shift again (that happens like once every two months) and next day after some sleep I was fresh and ready to go. Thanks god for the testosterone"...
he s doping to survive...
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 08:32:33 AM
he s doping to survive...

Obviously. Increasing his odds of survival. Just like all of us..
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on November 30, 2014, 08:34:38 AM
Say WHAT?...The most recent study says 30% higher chance of heart disease, stroke, and death..

Source? Because it's actually vice versa (lower chance of heart disease and stroke, due to keeping the lining (endothelial) of blood vessels healthy alone, not to mention other pros)
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Teutonic Knight on November 30, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
have you taken sterons Juicemachine?

Leopold is his name  ;)
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: jr on November 30, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
taking away sexual pleasure?just the opposite dude,im horny all the time on TRT. OFF TRT im not that horny at all,im almost 50 so the TRT is a life saver for me. doctor told me im extremely healthy and i get BLOOD WORK every 6 months to keep an eye on my ORGANS and my blood counts ect.as far as my nuts go they havent shrunk at all since ive been using TRT,same size as they usually where

Same, I've been on test for over a year and my balls are roughly the same size as when natural, maybe slightly smaller but still feel normal sized.

I had a blood test several years ago which showed low testosterone levels and low LH, and an ultrasound on my balls showed that they were of normal size, etc.

I have a theory that in a small percentage of guys, the pituitary gland continues to secrete some LH even when injecting external forms of testosterone, which prevents the balls from shrinking much. Whereas with most guys, LH levels go to zero and the balls shrink.

The only way to find out is another blood test.

 
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on November 30, 2014, 08:41:17 PM
Latiuss bro, why not put him on a true HRT dose? 150mgs would even be a kick in the ass from what he's currently producing, and be about the safest route for him.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: latiuss on November 30, 2014, 11:38:02 PM
Latiuss bro, why not put him on a true HRT dose? 150mgs would even be a kick in the ass from what he's currently producing, and be about the safest route for him.

At mo the dose is only this high to assist with body recomp, not major but still a re comp so hes abit leaner. Then will def lower the dose as obviously i dont want my dad to die. Hes loving it so far and there have been vast improvements in his quality of life. Just need to keep an eye on bloods etc and hopefully all goes good.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: gracie bjj on December 01, 2014, 03:50:17 AM
i usually use 250mg of sust or enanthate every 10 days now,thats holding me fine.i even went every 14 days just to see how i felt and i still had a increased sex drive and felt wonderful. at my age testosterone is a wonder drug tht helps me out alot,without it id prolly be tired all day with no sex drive,did i just say prolly? let me rephrase that,id be tired all day with no sex drive cause thats what brought me to the doctor in the first place.he right away wants to put me on lexapro and paxil,i told him "no way",i DEMANDED HORMONE TESTS THRU BLOODWORK,he said its a waste of time but he said he will do it.anyway i get a call from him saying he needs to see me about my hormones,he tells me guess what,your tests levels where extremely low,i looked at him and said "looks like i was right" he didnt like that to much but it is what it is. with doctors sometimes u have to demand certain tests cause u know your body better than anyone so dont let them just right u a quick script for anti-depressents and send u home,u take charge and if he dont like it switch doctors
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Weedlejuice on December 01, 2014, 05:33:57 AM
And more realistically to 50-60? While the rest of the world is now living to 85 and beyond. The government thanks you and will eat your pensions, free money  :) :)

Yes, ok bye.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on December 01, 2014, 06:25:58 AM
i usually use 250mg of sust or enanthate every 10 days now,thats holding me fine.i even went every 14 days just to see how i felt and i still had a increased sex drive and felt wonderful. at my age testosterone is a wonder drug tht helps me out alot,without it id prolly be tired all day with no sex drive,did i just say prolly? let me rephrase that,id be tired all day with no sex drive cause thats what brought me to the doctor in the first place.he right away wants to put me on lexapro and paxil,i told him "no way",i DEMANDED HORMONE TESTS THRU BLOODWORK,he said its a waste of time but he said he will do it.anyway i get a call from him saying he needs to see me about my hormones,he tells me guess what,your tests levels where extremely low,i looked at him and said "looks like i was right" he didnt like that to much but it is what it is. with doctors sometimes u have to demand certain tests cause u know your body better than anyone so dont let them just right u a quick script for anti-depressents and send u home,u take charge and if he dont like it switch doctors

Wow... Now imagine how many people actually get the prescription and go through the day like walking dead (due to these pills), when in fact a small amount of test would put everything back to place.
 Oh wait... testosterone is a lot cheaper than anti-depressants.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Meaningless on December 01, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
I go with my girlfriend to a retirement home every week or so to visit her grand-aunt who lives there along with alot of other people, essentially waiting to die, many of them cant chew/swallow without help or prompt, incontinent, confused, cant wash themselves.
That place would make anyone want to take risks and live life to the full, whatever that means to them, to me it means pushing my strength levels to a hopefully internationally competitive standard and looking like a beast while Im young, I dont want to live beyond a certain age, never want to stay alive for the sake of existence and we dont know how we will age.
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: da_vinci on December 01, 2014, 02:42:40 PM
I go with my girlfriend to a retirement home every week or so to visit her grand-aunt who lives there along with alot of other people, essentially waiting to die, many of them cant chew/swallow without help or prompt, incontinent, confused, cant wash themselves.
That place would make anyone want to take risks and live life to the full, whatever that means to them, to me it means pushing my strength levels to a hopefully internationally competitive standard and looking like a beast while Im young, I dont want to live beyond a certain age, never want to stay alive for the sake of existence and we dont know how we will age.

Exactly.. If always to take only "safe roads", that safe arrival to a cuff won't be much of a joy I guess..
Title: Re: Steroid users, have you come to terms with living to 60-70 at best?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 01, 2014, 05:10:50 PM
i read my local obituaries every day

many people die before 60 - 70, i bet all expected to live longer than that when they were younger

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