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I'm posting this on here because I forgot my login for MD and too lazy to retrieve it. But I was looking at his training video for chest and it's a typical bodybuilders except without the heavy movements. It is what it is. Not that my opinion matters but the dude had a pretty good shoulder injury and throughout the workout he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc). Little room for muscle recruitment to help the actual stabilizer(s) get stronger, regain mobility and flexibility. It's all isolation. Anyone with a shoulder problem like this or similar shouldn't isolate. We do about 5-6 either rehabs or post PT rehabs a year and the last thing that's recommended is machine work and very careful to not isolate, overhead press, no straight bar (unless it's a bamboo press for the rehab).
In his back lat spread he said he had a hard time pulling out the right lat due to the injury and I couldn't read all of the report (because it was blurry).
Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).
Why did I post this? Because bodybuilding hasn't progressed in 50 years and rehab just doing trying different machines until you find one that doesn't hurt. Just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean the injury is healed. I don't know how he injured himself but it looks almost trauma-like.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13788-pj-braun-chest-workout-muscular-development.html#.VHtNgWctDIU
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so you play a Physical Therapist online now coach ???
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so you play a Physical Therapy online now coach ???
We have an ortho that works with us as well as a PT but since we generally get better results than a PT....
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
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I'm posting this on here because I forgot my login for MD and too lazy to retrieve it. But I was looking at his training video for chest and it's a typical bodybuilders except without the heavy movements. It is what it is. Not that my opinion matters but the dude had a pretty good shoulder injury and throughout the workout he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc). Little room for muscle recruitment to help the actual stabilizer(s) get stronger, regain mobility and flexibility. It's all isolation. Anyone with a shoulder problem like this or similar shouldn't isolate. We do about 5-6 either rehabs or post PT rehabs and the last thing that's recommended is machine work and very careful to not isolate, overhead press, no straight bar (unless it's a bamboo press for the rehab).
In his back lat spread he said he had a hard time pulling out the right lat due to the injury and I couldn't read all of the report (because it was blurry).
Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).
Why did I post this? Because bodybuilding hasn't progressed in 50 years and rehab just doing trying different machines until you find one that doesn't hurt. Just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean the injury is healed. I don't know how he injured himself but it looks almost trauma-like.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13788-pj-braun-chest-workout-muscular-development.html#.VHtNgWctDIU
And why not rehab with the use of machines? The stabilizers will adequately be affected with well placed dumbbell work..
With wear and tear and with older lifting enthusiasts, the stabilizers will not accommodate well with compound barbell exercises anyway... In this case, machines are a viable and effective substitute to affect the target muscle proper while sparring compromised joints and connective tissue...
If barbell exercises are employed anyway, then they should be utilized only after performing exercises on machines, or cable work.. This will in effect 'pre-condition' the area prior to exposure to compound movements making them much safer... Remember; it is the heavy compound burst exercises that over time caused the damage to begin with... This is called 'training smart'...
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
Have you read Sahrmann's books "Diagnosis and Treatment of Movement Impairment Syndromes" good stuff.
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Have you read Sahrmann's books "Diagnosis and Treatment of Movement Impairment Syndromes" good stuff.
its one of my favorites
Did u read anatomy trains by Myers?
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Damn, that MRI report is hard to read but without getting too technical it basically says Coath PeePees shoulder is fucked
I'm amazed he can lift at all with that much damage, my labrum is a tiny bit frayed and it shuts me down fast when I try doing Bad Lifts
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And why not rehab with the use of machines? The stabilizers will adequately be affected with well placed dumbbell work..
With wear and tear and with older lifting enthusiasts, the stabilizers will not accommodate well with compound barbell exercises anyway... In this case, machines are a viable and effective substitute to affect the target muscle proper while sparring compromised joints and connective tissue...
If barbell exercises are employed anyway, then they should be utilized only after performing exercises on machines, or cable work.. This will in effect 'pre-condition' the area prior to exposure to compound movements making them much safer... Remember; it is the heavy compound burst exercises that over time caused the damage to begin with... This is called 'training smart'...
I know very few PT's, orthos, good trainers or coaches that rehab on machines anymore. This isn't the 90's. And the fact that it's been proven that machine work is somewhat detrimental and slows the process is another reason.
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its one of my favorites
Did u read anatomy trains by Myers?
It's on my desk at the gym. Last year we had Charlie Weingroff come in and train with us when he was at the Perform Better. We're going to get him as a speaker sometime this year.
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Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).
This 100%
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yes machines are worse for joints imo too. it's a fixed path, not allowing your natural lifting parthway.
like if you're benching on a machine it will lower in a 90 degree angle. totally fucks your shoulders
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
haha holy fuck you are really butthurt and upset because pj didnt send you free stuff
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
lol
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This is PJ's rear lat spread from his beat PJ posing routine. Not good.
Go to 2:12
PJ is this some sort of nerve damage or impingement?
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This is PJ's rear lat spread from his beat PJ posing routine. Not good.
Go to 2:12
PJ is this some sort of nerve damage or impingement?
Advanced Stage of Palumbo Curse very sad he had potential at a young age but cant hate him for living the good life while he can
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
lol
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
Gene expressing his Feelz in this thread.
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NW83 and the Coach pulling a dp on PJ Braun in this thread.
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haha holy fuck you are really butthurt and upset because pj didnt send you free stuff
Free stuff is the best kind. :-\
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Free stuff is the best kind. :-\
I wouldn't know, I never got a freebie care package. ::)
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I wouldn't know, I never got a freebie care package. ::)
Ouch!!
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PJ sends me free stuff all the time. Mensa bob too.
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PJ sends me free stuff all the time. Mensa bob too.
Sperm doesn't count!
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I wouldn't know, I never got a freebie care package. ::)
I'll let you take care of my package for free.
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I'll let you take care of my package for free.
go into more detail.
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go into more detail.
Hand and blow job plus the anus sex.
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Hand and blow job plus the anus sex.
keep going, don't stop.
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keep going, don't stop.
Golden showers and chest shitting.
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Golden showers and chest shitting.
go into more detail about the above 2 actions. and type it nice and slow.
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go into more detail about the above 2 actions. and type it nice and slow.
Focus..
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Focus..
great way to mess up some sexting between knooger and i.
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great way to mess up some sexting between knooger and i.
LMAO...hahahaha
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Golden showers and chest shitting.
And call it a pj browney...
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he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc).
None of these are closed-chain exercises
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who cares if it works for Pj and dosn't make the Injury worse I see no problem with the the exercises. I think PJ has consulted with the best and probably knows better then you. he obviously made a great transformation. don't get why your questioning the exercises he uses. if it works for him and isn't fucking up the injured shoulder who cares? are you suggesting training like he is is going to eventually fuck his shoulder up worse?
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Mercedes (pornstar) is a PJ Braun sponsored "athlete"
Very smart move
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None of these are closed-chain exercises
2 hands on the bar two feet on the ground = closed chain.
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who cares if it works for Pj and dosn't make the Injury worse I see no problem with the the exercises. I think PJ has consulted with the best and probably knows better then you. he obviously made a great transformation. don't get why your questioning the exercises he uses. if it works for him and isn't fucking up the injured shoulder who cares? are you suggesting training like he is is going to eventually fuck his shoulder up worse?
Last sentence....yes. The odds are not in his favor. As far as him knowing better. If he did he wouldn't be doing that.
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Focus..
Your only good post in this thread...
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lifting ridiculously and unnecessarily heavy weights and doing steroids destroy your body more than they make you healthy. Whoa, who would have thought.
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This is PJ's rear lat spread from his beat PJ posing routine. Not good.
Go to 2:12
PJ is this some sort of nerve damage or impingement?
Yes, this is why I didn't compete. I can't open up my lats. It's a muscular thing, and I am getting it worked on.
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
You're like a scorned woman.
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Advanced Stage of Palumbo Curse very sad he had potential at a young age but cant hate him for living the good life while he can
Damn, Billy, really? If that's the case what do you look like? A mongloid half-human half-monkey with "fuck" tattoo'd to its back?
Comparing me to Dave is wrong, Billy, and you know that.
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You're like a scorned woman.
This is what happens when you dont give out free supplements. ;D ;D ;D
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Damn, Billy, really? If that's the case what do you look like? A mongloid half-human half-monkey with "fuck" tattoo'd to its back?
Comparing me to Dave is wrong, Billy, and you know that.
Someone posted a video where a dude tracked down an Internet troll and wasted his car with a baseball bat while the coward cried in his apartment. Something to think about...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS516US516&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=baseball+bat&tbm=shop
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Someone posted a video where a dude tracked down an Internet troll and wasted his car with a baseball bat while the coward cried in his apartment. Something to think about...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS516US516&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=baseball+bat&tbm=shop
I would never hurt billy, or his property. I actually like him, that's why his comment confused me. I thought we were friends again.
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I would never hurt billy, or his property.
How about SpasticalCuunter83? He might have a car.
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How about SpasticalCuunter83? He might have a car.
Yeah, him, I would.
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Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann
His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name
that's really breaks my heart to hear you say that, gene
i thought your acne had finally healed and that horrible stage of your life was passed
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2 hands on the bar two feet on the ground = closed chain.
Lol oh boy ;D
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_kinetic_chain_exercises
Closed kinetic chain exercises or closed chain exercises (CKC) are physical exercises performed where the hand (for arm movement) or foot (for leg movement) is fixed in space and cannot move. The extremity remains in constant contact with the immobile surface, usually the ground or the base of a machine.
Your ignorance is amusing, especially considering that you do this stuff for a living. Let's hope none of your clients have a rudimentary knowledge of exercise science.
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Lol oh boy ;D
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_kinetic_chain_exercises
Your ignorance is amusing, especially considering that you do this stuff for a living. Let's hope none of your clients have a rudimentary knowledge of exercise science.
I'm not going to get into a pissing match you. But understand one thing. Even though some consider a push up a closed chain exercise and a bench press open (which is bullshit) in both exercises the feet can move. But for the sake of this argument both are correct and incorrect because on both exercises the feet can move and in the push-up the arms can move from the ground. If both extremities can move from its affixed place it immediately becomes open chain. On the other hand. Only the feet can move on the bench press because, well, if you take your hand off the fuckkng bar during the exercise you're likely going to die. But to make the exercise effective you keep your feet on the ground and hand affixed to the bar making it a.....you got it. Closed kenetic chain exercise.
http://www.academia.edu/773593/Activation_of_Selected_Shoulder_Muscles_During_Unilateral_Wall_and_Bench_Press_Tasks_Under_Submaximal_Isometric_Effort
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I'm not going to get into a pissing match you. But understand one thing. Even though some consider a push up a closed chain exercise and a bench press open (which is bullshit) in both exercises the feet can move. But for the sake of this argument both are correct and incorrect because on both exercises the feet can move and in the push-up the arms can move from the ground. If both extremities can move from its affixed place it immediately becomes open chain. On the other hand. Only the feet can move on the bench press because, well, if you take your hand off the fuckkng bar during the exercise you're likely going to die. But to make the exercise effective you keep your feet on the ground and hand affixed to the bar making it a.....you got it. Closed kenetic chain exercise.
http://www.academia.edu/773593/Activation_of_Selected_Shoulder_Muscles_During_Unilateral_Wall_and_Bench_Press_Tasks_Under_Submaximal_Isometric_Effort
bottom line who gives a fuck as long as his training is working for him?
BTW- just curious what are your credentials? you train fighters correct?
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I'm not going to get into a pissing match you. But understand one thing. Even though some consider a push up a closed chain exercise and a bench press open (which is bullshit) in both exercises the feet can move. But for the sake of this argument both are correct and incorrect because on both exercises the feet can move and in the push-up the arms can move from the ground. If both extremities can move from its affixed place it immediately becomes open chain. On the other hand. Only the feet can move on the bench press because, well, if you take your hand off the fuckkng bar during the exercise you're likely going to die. But to make the exercise effective you keep your feet on the ground and hand affixed to the bar making it a.....you got it. Closed kenetic chain exercise.
http://www.academia.edu/773593/Activation_of_Selected_Shoulder_Muscles_During_Unilateral_Wall_and_Bench_Press_Tasks_Under_Submaximal_Isometric_Effort
I have NEVER heard of this definition....a closed chain exercise is one in which the active limbs are fixed in position, eg: pushups, dips, pullups
If you consider a bench press or pec deck to be closed chain, then what would be an open chain exercise?
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I'm posting this on here because I forgot my login for MD and too lazy to retrieve it. But I was looking at his training video for chest and it's a typical bodybuilders except without the heavy movements. It is what it is. Not that my opinion matters but the dude had a pretty good shoulder injury and throughout the workout he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc). Little room for muscle recruitment to help the actual stabilizer(s) get stronger, regain mobility and flexibility. It's all isolation. Anyone with a shoulder problem like this or similar shouldn't isolate. We do about 5-6 either rehabs or post PT rehabs a year and the last thing that's recommended is machine work and very careful to not isolate, overhead press, no straight bar (unless it's a bamboo press for the rehab).
In his back lat spread he said he had a hard time pulling out the right lat due to the injury and I couldn't read all of the report (because it was blurry).
Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).
Why did I post this? Because bodybuilding hasn't progressed in 50 years and rehab just doing trying different machines until you find one that doesn't hurt. Just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean the injury is healed. I don't know how he injured himself but it looks almost trauma-like.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13788-pj-braun-chest-workout-muscular-development.html#.VHtNgWctDIU
Dear Coach,
I developed some osteo-arthritis in my right shoulder region after turning 50, ( diagnosed by my doc).
I'm sure you make some decent points but barbell inclines and benches only made the problem worse.
Thanks to Hammer type machines, I can still workout on my chest with intensity.
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Dear Coach,
I developed some osteo-arthritis in my right shoulder region after turning 50, ( diagnosed by my doc).
I'm sure you make some decent points but barbell inclines and benches only made the problem worse.
Thanks to Hammer type machines, I can still workout on my chest with intensity.
I think alot of older bodybuilders or not even that old but after awhile we put in so much work on the incline bench and flat bench and decline bench we have the mass and size to get away with using hammer strength. I have a HUGE chest and I mainly use hammer strength. I do alot of incline and flat just on a smith rack like PJ it just feels more controlled and results are the same. I actually started doing assited dips wich makes it way easier on the joints all muscle work! john meadows does the same shit! watch him train with even very safe workout with same results!
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How about SpasticalCuunter83? He might have a car.
If you're referring to naturalwonder83, watch your tone, "knooger". >:(
Yeah, him, I would.
NW83 would destroy you while blasting your shitty product out of his acne covered ass!
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If you're referring to naturalwonder83, watch your tone, "knooger". >:(
NW83 would destroy you while blasting your shitty product out of his acne covered ass!
chaos whiteknightning naturalw83
things that make you go hmmmm
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I think alot of older bodybuilders or not even that old but after awhile we put in so much work on the incline bench and flat bench and decline bench we have the mass and size to get away with using hammer strength. I have a HUGE chest and I mainly use hammer strength. I do alot of incline and flat just on a smith rack like PJ it just feels more controlled and results are the same. I actually started doing assited dips wich makes it way easier on the joints all muscle work! john meadows does the same shit! watch him train with even very safe workout with same results!
Good post.
I think it's a simple matter of being able to hit the muscle group with intensity.
How you do it really doesn't matter.
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chaos whiteknightning naturalw83
things that make you go hmmmm
Settle down Bob Kims Dong and have some Cream of Sum Yung Gi.
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If you're referring to naturalwonder83, watch your tone, "knooger". >:(
NW83 would destroy you while blasting your shitty product out of his acne covered ass!
Were you able to find a white helmet to fit over your cranium?
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Settle down Bob Kims Dong and have some Cream of Sum Yung Gi.
haha ;D
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Were you able to find a white helmet to fit over your cranium?
I borrowed krankensteins....
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Dear Coach,
I developed some osteo-arthritis in my right shoulder region after turning 50, ( diagnosed by my doc).
I'm sure you make some decent points but barbell inclines and benches only made the problem worse.
Thanks to Hammer type machines, I can still workout on my chest with intensity.
Howard, You're in your 50's, PJ isn't. Big difference when comparing that to an injury. I'm sure (although not diagnosed) that either I'm in the beginning or it or will eventually get it. I dunno. Some days I feel great, some days I'm stiff as a board. But it's my fault for not training as consistent as I would like. Might have to go back to the "bodybuilding" life style only with adding some function.
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I borrowed krankensteins....
PIP :'(
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Gayaos being a real sweeheart in this thread.
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Howard, You're in your 50's, PJ isn't. Big difference when comparing that to an injury. I'm sure (although not diagnosed) that either I'm in the beginning or it or will eventually get it. I dunno. Some days I feel great, some days I'm stiff as a board. But it's my fault for not training as consistent as I would like. Might have to go back to the "bodybuilding" life style only with adding some function.
Regarding shoulder problems, would you still suggest to make full ROM chest/delt presses or rather partials? I'm asking this, because going full ROM or not, is a debatable topic.
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Regarding shoulder problems, would you still suggest to make full ROM chest/delt presses or rather partials? I'm asking this, because going full ROM or not, is a debatable topic.
Going full ROM should always be the goal. IMO, you always want to regain what your body is naturally capable of doing.
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Going full ROM should always be the goal. IMO, you always want to regain what your body is naturally capable of doing.
That function argument makes sense, but what if the joint keeps hurting? This is daily practice for many lifters...
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Damn, Billy, really? If that's the case what do you look like? A mongloid half-human half-monkey with "fuck" tattoo'd to its back?
Comparing me to Dave is wrong, Billy, and you know that.
LOL PJ getting all emotional here ((((((HUGS))))
What I meant was INJURIES....Dave has major injuries similar to what you have now as do I.
I never compared the gut of a gutless pig aka Palumbo to you I meant structure and injury wise. Its fact that you always looked great leading up to a show but it didn't come together on stage for whatever reason.....and now you have injuries that have cost you the future of competing
I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.
As for what I look with nobody is asking me to model so you got 1 up on me there but nobody is asking you to fix their computers or networks so I got you there :P
I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.
As for what you have created to PJ yes you are doing well and living the dream not many can say that
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I would never hurt billy, or his property. I actually like him, that's why his comment confused me. I thought we were friends again.
PJ I think you learned along time ago people in general are shitty and you never truly have friends....but I hold nothing against you and think you are genuine as you can be without getting fucked over
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LOL PJ getting all emotional here ((((((HUGS))))
What I meant was INJURIES....Dave has major injuries similar to what you have now as do I.
I never compared the gut of a gutless pig aka Palumbo to you I meant structure and injury wise. Its fact that you always looked great leading up to a show but it didn't come together on stage for whatever reason.....and now you have injuries that have cost you the future of competing
I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.
As for what I look with nobody is asking me to model so you got 1 up on me there but nobody is asking you to fix their computers or networks so I got you there :P
I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.
As for what you have created to PJ yes you are doing well and living the dream not many can say that
Damn, now I feel like an asshole. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
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Damn, now I feel like an asshole. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
Awwwww Bring it in for a (((((hug)))))) PJ is a big softy afterall
I may just buy more angeldust now at retail price lol
Pj should really think about helping Vince Goodrum in the Posedown part 2 :o
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LOL PJ getting all emotional here ((((((HUGS))))
What I meant was INJURIES....Dave has major injuries similar to what you have now as do I.
I never compared the gut of a gutless pig aka Palumbo to you I meant structure and injury wise. Its fact that you always looked great leading up to a show but it didn't come together on stage for whatever reason.....and now you have injuries that have cost you the future of competing
I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.
As for what I look with nobody is asking me to model so you got 1 up on me there but nobody is asking you to fix their computers or networks so I got you there :P
I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.
As for what you have created to PJ yes you are doing well and living the dream not many can say that
Haha.
At least PJ has a great build to show for his injury/injuries.
You have a great tattoo and attitude nonetheless.
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Haha.
At least PJ has a great build to show for his injury/injuries.
You have a great tattoo and attitude nonetheless.
I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens
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I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.
I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.
Were all those injuries training releated ?
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Were all those injuries training releated ?
Rear Labrum was doing military press
Left elbow was from Motorcycle accident
Right hand was a fight
Spine was years of Lifting and a few car wrecks combined
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I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens
I'm not impressed.
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I'm not impressed.
If you were impressed I would question your self esteem and manhood
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If you were impressed I would question your self esteem and manhood
You're not in the position to be questioning anyone's self-esteem or manhood.
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You're not in the position to be questioning anyone's self-esteem or manhood.
this coming from a avatar named chaos ???
Next time you pee try standing up :o
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You're not in the position to be questioning anyone's self-esteem or manhood.
Billy is an iron warrior. A modern day gladiator during the times of generation nothingness. Each day, Billy is shaping, constructing, and molding his body into an art form. With the iron, he carves away at his physique. Day by day, his physique becomes sculpted into a statue. Billy's diet, well, Billy does not eat for taste or to fill his appetite. Billy eats to grow. Billy eats to ensure that the machine (body) is getting all the nutrients it needs to become a modern day masterpiece. Someone once asked Billy what he does for a living and his response was, "I am becoming." Meaning, Billy is in a constant state of "becoming" something greater than the day he was before. Billy doesn't have a "job" because he is always just "becoming." And when all is said and done, the result is a body that has been perfectly sculpted from raw iron, food, sleep, and dedication.
(http://s9.postimg.org/9umkm9alr/LB2_V0077.jpg)
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Billy is an iron warrior. A modern day gladiator during the times of generation nothingness. Each day, Billy is shaping, constructing, and molding his body into an art form. With the iron, he carves away at his physique. Day by day, his physique becomes sculpted into a statue. Billy's diet, well, Billy does not eat for taste or to fill his appetite. Billy eats to grow. Billy eats to ensure that the machine (body) is getting all the nutrients it needs to become a modern day masterpiece. Someone once asked Billy what he does for a living and his response was, "I am becoming." Meaning, Billy is in a constant state of "becoming" something greater than the day he was before. Billy doesn't have a "job" because he is always just "becoming." And when all is said and done, the result is a body that has been perfectly sculpted from raw iron, food, sleep, and dedication.
(http://s9.postimg.org/9umkm9alr/LB2_V0077.jpg)
why yall hijacking PJ's thunder here?
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I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens
I am guessing you received a lot of discipline in high school, and generally didn't get a long with your peers.
You need to lose some of the negativity, perhaps suicide is a viable option.
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I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens
You sound like a strong and confident man.
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You sound like a strong and confident man.
thanks for the personal message, asshole. ::note sarcasm::
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thanks for the personal message, asshole. ::note sarcasm::
What PM?
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