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Title: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 09:47:39 AM
I'm posting this on here because I forgot my login for MD and too lazy to retrieve it. But I was looking at his training video for chest and it's a typical bodybuilders except without the heavy movements. It is what it is. Not that my opinion matters but the dude had a pretty good shoulder injury and throughout the workout he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc). Little room for muscle recruitment to help the actual stabilizer(s) get stronger, regain mobility and flexibility. It's all isolation. Anyone with a shoulder problem like this or similar shouldn't isolate. We do about 5-6 either rehabs or post PT rehabs a year and the last thing that's recommended is machine work and very careful to not isolate, overhead press, no straight bar (unless it's a bamboo press for the rehab).

In his back lat spread he said he had a hard time pulling out the right lat due to the injury and I couldn't read all of the report (because it was blurry).

Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).

 Why did I post this? Because bodybuilding hasn't progressed in 50 years and rehab just doing trying different machines until you find one that doesn't hurt. Just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean the injury is healed. I don't know how he injured himself but it looks almost trauma-like.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13788-pj-braun-chest-workout-muscular-development.html#.VHtNgWctDIU
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Nails on November 30, 2014, 09:54:53 AM
so you play a Physical Therapist online now coach  ???
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 09:56:33 AM
so you play a Physical Therapy online now coach  ???

 We have an ortho that works with us as well as a PT but since we generally get better results than a PT....
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 30, 2014, 10:08:02 AM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name



Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: drmarkp on November 30, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
I'm posting this on here because I forgot my login for MD and too lazy to retrieve it. But I was looking at his training video for chest and it's a typical bodybuilders except without the heavy movements. It is what it is. Not that my opinion matters but the dude had a pretty good shoulder injury and throughout the workout he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc). Little room for muscle recruitment to help the actual stabilizer(s) get stronger, regain mobility and flexibility. It's all isolation. Anyone with a shoulder problem like this or similar shouldn't isolate. We do about 5-6 either rehabs or post PT rehabs and the last thing that's recommended is machine work and very careful to not isolate, overhead press, no straight bar (unless it's a bamboo press for the rehab).

In his back lat spread he said he had a hard time pulling out the right lat due to the injury and I couldn't read all of the report (because it was blurry).

Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).

 Why did I post this? Because bodybuilding hasn't progressed in 50 years and rehab just doing trying different machines until you find one that doesn't hurt. Just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean the injury is healed. I don't know how he injured himself but it looks almost trauma-like.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13788-pj-braun-chest-workout-muscular-development.html#.VHtNgWctDIU

And why not rehab with the use of machines? The stabilizers will adequately be affected with well placed dumbbell work..

With wear and tear and with older lifting enthusiasts, the stabilizers will not accommodate well with compound barbell exercises anyway... In this case, machines are a viable and effective substitute to affect the target muscle proper while sparring compromised joints and connective tissue...

If barbell exercises are employed anyway, then they should be utilized only after performing exercises on machines, or cable work.. This will in effect 'pre-condition' the area prior to exposure to compound movements making them much safer... Remember; it is the heavy compound burst exercises that over time caused the damage to begin with... This is called 'training smart'...
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 10:13:35 AM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name





Have you read Sahrmann's books "Diagnosis and Treatment of Movement Impairment Syndromes" good stuff. 
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 30, 2014, 10:14:27 AM
Have you read Sahrmann's books "Diagnosis and Treatment of Movement Impairment Syndromes" good stuff. 
its one of my favorites
Did u read anatomy trains by Myers?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Mawse on November 30, 2014, 10:16:32 AM
Damn, that MRI report is hard to read but without getting too technical it basically says Coath PeePees shoulder is fucked

I'm amazed he can lift at all with that much damage, my labrum is a tiny bit frayed and it shuts me down fast when I try doing Bad Lifts
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
And why not rehab with the use of machines? The stabilizers will adequately be affected with well placed dumbbell work..

With wear and tear and with older lifting enthusiasts, the stabilizers will not accommodate well with compound barbell exercises anyway... In this case, machines are a viable and effective substitute to affect the target muscle proper while sparring compromised joints and connective tissue...

If barbell exercises are employed anyway, then they should be utilized only after performing exercises on machines, or cable work.. This will in effect 'pre-condition' the area prior to exposure to compound movements making them much safer... Remember; it is the heavy compound burst exercises that over time caused the damage to begin with... This is called 'training smart'...

I know very few PT's, orthos, good trainers or coaches that rehab on machines anymore. This isn't the 90's. And the fact that it's been proven that machine work is somewhat detrimental and slows the process is another reason.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
its one of my favorites
Did u read anatomy trains by Myers?

It's on my desk at the gym. Last year we had Charlie Weingroff come in and train with us when he was at the Perform Better. We're going to get him as a speaker sometime this year.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 30, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).

This 100%
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: MAXX on November 30, 2014, 11:20:45 AM
yes machines are worse for joints imo too. it's a fixed path, not allowing your natural lifting parthway.

like if you're benching on a machine it will lower in a 90 degree angle. totally fucks your shoulders
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on November 30, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name




haha holy fuck you are really butthurt and upset because pj didnt send you free stuff
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Schmoff on November 30, 2014, 06:00:58 PM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name





lol
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: WalterWhite on November 30, 2014, 06:14:06 PM
This is PJ's rear lat spread from his beat PJ posing routine. Not good.

Go to 2:12

PJ is this some sort of nerve damage or impingement?

Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on November 30, 2014, 06:25:56 PM
This is PJ's rear lat spread from his beat PJ posing routine. Not good.

Go to 2:12

PJ is this some sort of nerve damage or impingement?



Advanced Stage of Palumbo Curse very sad he had potential at a young age but cant hate him for living the good life while he can
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: TrueGrit on November 30, 2014, 06:41:08 PM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name





lol
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: WillGrant on November 30, 2014, 07:58:56 PM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name




Gene expressing his Feelz in this thread.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on November 30, 2014, 08:02:57 PM
NW83 and the Coach pulling a dp on PJ Braun in this thread.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2014, 08:09:45 PM
haha holy fuck you are really butthurt and upset because pj didnt send you free stuff

Free stuff is the best kind.  :-\
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on November 30, 2014, 08:12:11 PM
Free stuff is the best kind.  :-\
I wouldn't know, I never got a freebie care package. ::)
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 08:42:59 PM
I wouldn't know, I never got a freebie care package. ::)

Ouch!!
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on November 30, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
PJ sends me free stuff all the time. Mensa bob too.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on November 30, 2014, 08:58:24 PM
PJ sends me free stuff all the time. Mensa bob too.
Sperm doesn't count!
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Knooger on November 30, 2014, 09:21:30 PM
I wouldn't know, I never got a freebie care package. ::)

I'll let you take care of my package for free.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2014, 09:23:29 PM
I'll let you take care of my package for free.

go into more detail.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Knooger on November 30, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
go into more detail.

Hand and blow job plus the anus sex.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
Hand and blow job plus the anus sex.

keep going, don't stop.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Knooger on November 30, 2014, 09:38:07 PM
keep going, don't stop.

Golden showers and chest shitting.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2014, 09:48:14 PM
Golden showers and chest shitting.

go into more detail about the above 2 actions. and type it nice and slow.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
go into more detail about the above 2 actions. and type it nice and slow.

Focus..



Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2014, 10:09:20 PM
Focus..





great way to mess up some sexting between knooger and i.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2014, 10:11:26 PM
great way to mess up some sexting between knooger and i.

LMAO...hahahaha
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 30, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
Golden showers and chest shitting.

And call it a pj browney...
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on December 01, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc).

None of these are closed-chain exercises
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: whitewidow on December 01, 2014, 03:03:33 AM
who cares if it works for Pj and dosn't make the Injury worse I see no problem with the the exercises. I think PJ has consulted with the best and probably knows better then you. he obviously made a great transformation. don't get why your questioning the exercises he uses. if it works for him and isn't fucking up the injured shoulder who cares? are you suggesting training like he is is going to eventually fuck his shoulder up worse?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: ether on December 01, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
Mercedes (pornstar) is a PJ Braun sponsored "athlete"

Very smart move
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2014, 02:23:34 PM
None of these are closed-chain exercises

2 hands on the bar two feet on the ground = closed chain.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
who cares if it works for Pj and dosn't make the Injury worse I see no problem with the the exercises. I think PJ has consulted with the best and probably knows better then you. he obviously made a great transformation. don't get why your questioning the exercises he uses. if it works for him and isn't fucking up the injured shoulder who cares? are you suggesting training like he is is going to eventually fuck his shoulder up worse?

Last sentence....yes. The odds are not in his favor. As far as him knowing better. If he did he wouldn't be doing that.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: d0nny2600 on December 01, 2014, 02:36:58 PM
Focus..




Your only good post in this thread...
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Natural Man on December 01, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
lifting ridiculously and unnecessarily heavy weights and doing steroids destroy your body more than they make you healthy. Whoa, who would have thought.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: pj braun on December 01, 2014, 05:45:01 PM
This is PJ's rear lat spread from his beat PJ posing routine. Not good.

Go to 2:12

PJ is this some sort of nerve damage or impingement?



Yes, this is why I didn't compete. I can't open up my lats. It's a muscular thing, and I am getting it worked on.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: pj braun on December 01, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name





You're like a scorned woman.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: pj braun on December 01, 2014, 05:48:23 PM
Advanced Stage of Palumbo Curse very sad he had potential at a young age but cant hate him for living the good life while he can

Damn, Billy, really? If that's the case what do you look like? A mongloid half-human half-monkey with "fuck" tattoo'd to its back?

Comparing me to Dave is wrong, Billy, and you know that.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on December 01, 2014, 05:49:48 PM
You're like a scorned woman.

This is what happens when you dont give out free supplements.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Knooger on December 01, 2014, 05:51:48 PM
Damn, Billy, really? If that's the case what do you look like? A mongloid half-human half-monkey with "fuck" tattoo'd to its back?

Comparing me to Dave is wrong, Billy, and you know that.

Someone posted a video where a dude tracked down an Internet troll and wasted his car with a baseball bat while the coward cried in his apartment. Something to think about...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS516US516&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=baseball+bat&tbm=shop
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: pj braun on December 01, 2014, 05:54:36 PM
Someone posted a video where a dude tracked down an Internet troll and wasted his car with a baseball bat while the coward cried in his apartment. Something to think about...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS516US516&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=baseball+bat&tbm=shop

I would never hurt billy, or his property. I actually like him, that's why his comment confused me. I thought we were friends again.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Knooger on December 01, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
I would never hurt billy, or his property.

How about SpasticalCuunter83? He might have a car.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: pj braun on December 01, 2014, 05:57:42 PM
How about SpasticalCuunter83? He might have a car.

Yeah, him, I would.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: polychronopolous on December 01, 2014, 06:02:58 PM
Agreed
Good post
It's the case of a syngerist trying to do the job of a weak prime mover
When assessing the factors that contribute to overuse syndrome one of the rules is to determine whether one or more of the syngerists of the strained muscle is also weak
When the syngerist is weak the muscle strain is probably the result of excessive demands
-Shirley Sahrmann

His training is shit
His body is banged up as a result
His intra workout powder is crap
Made me break out and get diareah
Clueless in the gym
Clueless as a ceo
Selfish
Bad human being
Trash talks other companies
Destroyed Evans career by signing him to his failing company
Hated in bodybuilding supplement industry
Laughed at in the gay porn industry
Gives bodybuilding a bad name





that's really breaks my heart to hear you say that, gene

i thought your acne had finally healed and that horrible stage of your life was passed

Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on December 01, 2014, 06:03:16 PM
2 hands on the bar two feet on the ground = closed chain.

Lol oh boy  ;D

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_kinetic_chain_exercises

Quote
Closed kinetic chain exercises or closed chain exercises (CKC) are physical exercises performed where the hand (for arm movement) or foot (for leg movement) is fixed in space and cannot move. The extremity remains in constant contact with the immobile surface, usually the ground or the base of a machine.

Your ignorance is amusing, especially considering that you do this stuff for a living.  Let's hope none of your clients have a rudimentary knowledge of exercise science. 
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 02, 2014, 12:44:49 AM
Lol oh boy  ;D

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_kinetic_chain_exercises

Your ignorance is amusing, especially considering that you do this stuff for a living.  Let's hope none of your clients have a rudimentary knowledge of exercise science.  

I'm not going to get into a pissing match you. But understand one thing. Even though some consider a push up a closed chain exercise and a bench press open (which is bullshit) in both exercises the feet can move. But for the sake of this argument both are correct and incorrect because on both exercises the feet can move and in the push-up the arms can move from the ground. If both extremities can move from its affixed place it immediately becomes open chain. On the other hand. Only the feet can move on the bench press because, well, if you take your hand off the fuckkng bar during the exercise you're likely going to die. But to make the exercise effective you keep your feet on the ground and hand affixed to the bar making it a.....you got it. Closed kenetic chain exercise.

http://www.academia.edu/773593/Activation_of_Selected_Shoulder_Muscles_During_Unilateral_Wall_and_Bench_Press_Tasks_Under_Submaximal_Isometric_Effort
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: whitewidow on December 02, 2014, 02:26:19 AM
I'm not going to get into a pissing match you. But understand one thing. Even though some consider a push up a closed chain exercise and a bench press open (which is bullshit) in both exercises the feet can move. But for the sake of this argument both are correct and incorrect because on both exercises the feet can move and in the push-up the arms can move from the ground. If both extremities can move from its affixed place it immediately becomes open chain. On the other hand. Only the feet can move on the bench press because, well, if you take your hand off the fuckkng bar during the exercise you're likely going to die. But to make the exercise effective you keep your feet on the ground and hand affixed to the bar making it a.....you got it. Closed kenetic chain exercise.

http://www.academia.edu/773593/Activation_of_Selected_Shoulder_Muscles_During_Unilateral_Wall_and_Bench_Press_Tasks_Under_Submaximal_Isometric_Effort

bottom line who gives a fuck as long as his training is working for him?
BTW- just curious what are your credentials? you train fighters correct?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on December 02, 2014, 05:49:58 AM
I'm not going to get into a pissing match you. But understand one thing. Even though some consider a push up a closed chain exercise and a bench press open (which is bullshit) in both exercises the feet can move. But for the sake of this argument both are correct and incorrect because on both exercises the feet can move and in the push-up the arms can move from the ground. If both extremities can move from its affixed place it immediately becomes open chain. On the other hand. Only the feet can move on the bench press because, well, if you take your hand off the fuckkng bar during the exercise you're likely going to die. But to make the exercise effective you keep your feet on the ground and hand affixed to the bar making it a.....you got it. Closed kenetic chain exercise.

http://www.academia.edu/773593/Activation_of_Selected_Shoulder_Muscles_During_Unilateral_Wall_and_Bench_Press_Tasks_Under_Submaximal_Isometric_Effort

I have NEVER heard of this definition....a closed chain exercise is one in which the active limbs are fixed in position, eg: pushups, dips, pullups

If you consider a bench press or pec deck to be closed chain, then what would be an open chain exercise?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Howard on December 02, 2014, 05:54:21 AM
I'm posting this on here because I forgot my login for MD and too lazy to retrieve it. But I was looking at his training video for chest and it's a typical bodybuilders except without the heavy movements. It is what it is. Not that my opinion matters but the dude had a pretty good shoulder injury and throughout the workout he was on almost all machines, all closed chain and fixed (smith, chest press, pec deck, etc). Little room for muscle recruitment to help the actual stabilizer(s) get stronger, regain mobility and flexibility. It's all isolation. Anyone with a shoulder problem like this or similar shouldn't isolate. We do about 5-6 either rehabs or post PT rehabs a year and the last thing that's recommended is machine work and very careful to not isolate, overhead press, no straight bar (unless it's a bamboo press for the rehab).

In his back lat spread he said he had a hard time pulling out the right lat due to the injury and I couldn't read all of the report (because it was blurry).

Long story short, don't rehab on machines, strengthen stabilizers (subscap especially), lots of flexibility movements, use free weight for primary movers (again, not machines).

 Why did I post this? Because bodybuilding hasn't progressed in 50 years and rehab just doing trying different machines until you find one that doesn't hurt. Just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean the injury is healed. I don't know how he injured himself but it looks almost trauma-like.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13788-pj-braun-chest-workout-muscular-development.html#.VHtNgWctDIU

Dear Coach,

I developed some osteo-arthritis in my right shoulder region after turning 50, ( diagnosed by my doc).
I'm sure you make some decent points but barbell inclines and benches only made the problem worse.
Thanks to Hammer type machines, I can still workout on my chest with intensity.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: whitewidow on December 02, 2014, 05:58:08 AM
Dear Coach,

I developed some osteo-arthritis in my right shoulder region after turning 50, ( diagnosed by my doc).
I'm sure you make some decent points but barbell inclines and benches only made the problem worse.
Thanks to Hammer type machines, I can still workout on my chest with intensity.


I think alot of older bodybuilders or not even that old but after awhile we put in so much work on the incline bench and flat bench and decline bench we have the mass and size to get away with using hammer strength. I have a HUGE chest and I mainly use hammer strength. I do alot of incline and flat just on a smith rack like PJ it just feels more controlled and results are the same. I actually started doing assited dips wich makes it way easier on the joints all muscle work! john meadows does the same shit! watch him train with even very safe workout with same results!
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on December 02, 2014, 09:36:17 AM
How about SpasticalCuunter83? He might have a car.
If you're referring to naturalwonder83, watch your tone, "knooger". >:(

Yeah, him, I would.
NW83 would destroy you while blasting your shitty product out of his acne covered ass!
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 02, 2014, 11:10:06 AM
If you're referring to naturalwonder83, watch your tone, "knooger". >:(
NW83 would destroy you while blasting your shitty product out of his acne covered ass!
chaos whiteknightning naturalw83

things that make you go hmmmm
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Howard on December 02, 2014, 11:29:16 AM
I think alot of older bodybuilders or not even that old but after awhile we put in so much work on the incline bench and flat bench and decline bench we have the mass and size to get away with using hammer strength. I have a HUGE chest and I mainly use hammer strength. I do alot of incline and flat just on a smith rack like PJ it just feels more controlled and results are the same. I actually started doing assited dips wich makes it way easier on the joints all muscle work! john meadows does the same shit! watch him train with even very safe workout with same results!

Good post.

I think it's a simple matter of being able to hit the muscle group with intensity.
How you do it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on December 02, 2014, 11:56:18 AM
chaos whiteknightning naturalw83

things that make you go hmmmm
Settle down Bob Kims Dong and have some Cream of Sum Yung Gi.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 02, 2014, 12:17:07 PM
If you're referring to naturalwonder83, watch your tone, "knooger". >:(
NW83 would destroy you while blasting your shitty product out of his acne covered ass!

Were you able to find a white helmet to fit over your cranium?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 02, 2014, 01:18:07 PM
Settle down Bob Kims Dong and have some Cream of Sum Yung Gi.
haha  ;D
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on December 02, 2014, 01:20:24 PM
Were you able to find a white helmet to fit over your cranium?
I borrowed krankensteins....
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 02, 2014, 01:43:54 PM
Dear Coach,

I developed some osteo-arthritis in my right shoulder region after turning 50, ( diagnosed by my doc).
I'm sure you make some decent points but barbell inclines and benches only made the problem worse.
Thanks to Hammer type machines, I can still workout on my chest with intensity.


Howard, You're in your 50's, PJ isn't. Big difference when comparing that to an injury. I'm sure (although not diagnosed) that either I'm in the beginning or it or will eventually get it. I dunno. Some days I feel great, some days I'm stiff as a board. But it's my fault for not training as consistent as I would like. Might have to go back to the "bodybuilding" life style only with adding some function.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 02, 2014, 10:33:35 PM
I borrowed krankensteins....

PIP :'(
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: visualizeperfection on December 02, 2014, 10:59:53 PM
Gayaos being a real sweeheart in this thread.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 03, 2014, 02:01:10 PM
Howard, You're in your 50's, PJ isn't. Big difference when comparing that to an injury. I'm sure (although not diagnosed) that either I'm in the beginning or it or will eventually get it. I dunno. Some days I feel great, some days I'm stiff as a board. But it's my fault for not training as consistent as I would like. Might have to go back to the "bodybuilding" life style only with adding some function.

Regarding shoulder problems, would you still suggest to make full ROM chest/delt presses or rather partials? I'm asking this, because going full ROM or not, is a debatable topic.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 03, 2014, 02:15:01 PM
Regarding shoulder problems, would you still suggest to make full ROM chest/delt presses or rather partials? I'm asking this, because going full ROM or not, is a debatable topic.

Going full ROM should always be the goal. IMO, you always want to regain what your body is naturally capable of doing. 
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 03, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
Going full ROM should always be the goal. IMO, you always want to regain what your body is naturally capable of doing. 

That function argument makes sense, but what if the joint keeps hurting? This is daily practice for many lifters...
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 11, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
Damn, Billy, really? If that's the case what do you look like? A mongloid half-human half-monkey with "fuck" tattoo'd to its back?

Comparing me to Dave is wrong, Billy, and you know that.

LOL PJ getting all emotional here ((((((HUGS))))

What I meant was INJURIES....Dave has major injuries similar to what you have now as do I.

I never compared the gut of a gutless pig aka Palumbo to you I meant structure and injury wise. Its fact that you always looked great leading up to a show but it didn't come together on stage for whatever reason.....and now you have injuries that have cost you the future of competing

I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.

As for what I look with nobody is asking me to model so you got 1 up on me there but nobody is asking you to fix their computers or networks so I got you there  :P

I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.

As for what you have created to PJ yes you are doing well and living the dream not many can say that
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 11, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
I would never hurt billy, or his property. I actually like him, that's why his comment confused me. I thought we were friends again.

PJ I think you learned along time ago people in general are shitty and you never truly have friends....but I hold nothing against you and think you are genuine as you can be without getting fucked over
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: pj braun on December 11, 2014, 02:02:11 PM
LOL PJ getting all emotional here ((((((HUGS))))

What I meant was INJURIES....Dave has major injuries similar to what you have now as do I.

I never compared the gut of a gutless pig aka Palumbo to you I meant structure and injury wise. Its fact that you always looked great leading up to a show but it didn't come together on stage for whatever reason.....and now you have injuries that have cost you the future of competing

I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.

As for what I look with nobody is asking me to model so you got 1 up on me there but nobody is asking you to fix their computers or networks so I got you there  :P

I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.

As for what you have created to PJ yes you are doing well and living the dream not many can say that

Damn, now I feel like an asshole. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 11, 2014, 08:05:15 PM
Damn, now I feel like an asshole. Sorry for the misunderstanding!


Awwwww Bring it in for a (((((hug)))))) PJ is a big softy afterall

I may just buy more angeldust now at retail price lol

Pj should really think about helping Vince Goodrum in the Posedown part 2  :o
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: visualizeperfection on December 12, 2014, 03:06:16 AM
LOL PJ getting all emotional here ((((((HUGS))))

What I meant was INJURIES....Dave has major injuries similar to what you have now as do I.

I never compared the gut of a gutless pig aka Palumbo to you I meant structure and injury wise. Its fact that you always looked great leading up to a show but it didn't come together on stage for whatever reason.....and now you have injuries that have cost you the future of competing

I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.

As for what I look with nobody is asking me to model so you got 1 up on me there but nobody is asking you to fix their computers or networks so I got you there  :P

I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.

As for what you have created to PJ yes you are doing well and living the dream not many can say that

Haha.


At least PJ has a great build to show for his injury/injuries.






You have a great tattoo and attitude nonetheless.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 12, 2014, 09:51:10 AM
Haha.


At least PJ has a great build to show for his injury/injuries.






You have a great tattoo and attitude nonetheless.

I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: blackpele on December 12, 2014, 11:49:21 AM

I feel those pains as well I have reattached my rear labrum....reconstructed my left elbow.....reconstructed my right hand.....and added 2 artificial vertebrate to my spine along with 4 new discs. I try my best to train these days but end up with numb hands and feet from perm nerve damage.

I live my life 1 day at a time these days and honestly see myself in a wheelchair or disabled in the future do to the pains I fight with on a daily basis from past injuries.


Were all those injuries training releated ?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 12, 2014, 11:56:27 AM
Were all those injuries training releated ?

Rear Labrum was doing military press

Left elbow was from Motorcycle accident

Right hand was a fight

Spine was years of Lifting and a few car wrecks combined
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on December 12, 2014, 12:02:02 PM
I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens
I'm not impressed.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 12, 2014, 12:19:35 PM
I'm not impressed.

If you were impressed I would question your self esteem and manhood
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: chaos on December 12, 2014, 12:55:38 PM
If you were impressed I would question your self esteem and manhood
You're not in the position to be questioning anyone's self-esteem or manhood.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 12, 2014, 12:59:14 PM
You're not in the position to be questioning anyone's self-esteem or manhood.

this coming from a avatar named chaos  ???

Next time you pee try standing up  :o
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on December 12, 2014, 01:09:06 PM
You're not in the position to be questioning anyone's self-esteem or manhood.

Billy is an iron warrior. A modern day gladiator during the times of generation nothingness. Each day, Billy is shaping, constructing, and molding his body into an art form. With the iron, he carves away at his physique. Day by day, his physique becomes sculpted into a statue. Billy's diet, well, Billy does not eat for taste or to fill his appetite. Billy eats to grow. Billy eats to ensure that the machine (body) is getting all the nutrients it needs to become a modern day masterpiece. Someone once asked Billy what he does for a living and his response was, "I am becoming." Meaning, Billy is in a constant state of "becoming" something greater than the day he was before. Billy doesn't have a "job" because he is always just "becoming." And when all is said and done, the result is a body that has been perfectly sculpted from raw iron, food, sleep, and dedication.

(http://s9.postimg.org/9umkm9alr/LB2_V0077.jpg)
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Billy Guns on December 12, 2014, 01:37:47 PM
Billy is an iron warrior. A modern day gladiator during the times of generation nothingness. Each day, Billy is shaping, constructing, and molding his body into an art form. With the iron, he carves away at his physique. Day by day, his physique becomes sculpted into a statue. Billy's diet, well, Billy does not eat for taste or to fill his appetite. Billy eats to grow. Billy eats to ensure that the machine (body) is getting all the nutrients it needs to become a modern day masterpiece. Someone once asked Billy what he does for a living and his response was, "I am becoming." Meaning, Billy is in a constant state of "becoming" something greater than the day he was before. Billy doesn't have a "job" because he is always just "becoming." And when all is said and done, the result is a body that has been perfectly sculpted from raw iron, food, sleep, and dedication.

(http://s9.postimg.org/9umkm9alr/LB2_V0077.jpg)

why yall hijacking PJ's thunder here?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: visualizeperfection on December 13, 2014, 04:50:04 AM
I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens

I am guessing you received a lot of discipline in high school, and generally didn't get a long with your peers.

You need to lose some of the negativity, perhaps suicide is a viable option.


Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 13, 2014, 09:31:21 AM
I am the MAN in my own MIND and HOME that's what counts to me the rest of you can say ASSHOLE but I say I AM THE MAN I don't care who listens

You sound like a strong and confident man.
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: SF1900 on December 13, 2014, 09:33:11 AM
You sound like a strong and confident man.

thanks for the personal message, asshole. ::note sarcasm::
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 13, 2014, 09:34:30 AM
thanks for the personal message, asshole. ::note sarcasm::

What PM?
Title: Re: PJ Braun chest training
Post by: IronMeister on December 13, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
(http://www.vincesteven.com/IMG/jpg_PJ_BRAUN_13.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LZEayCp.jpg)