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Obama's ass-kicking of Soul Crusher continues...Unemployment way down and has plummeted to 5.8%....heading towards full employment...over 300,000 jobs created... we are leading the world in terms of coming back from the world wide recession...Oil and gas is booming...gas prices heading under $2.....Obama deserves a lot of credit in bringing us back from the Great Recession....
The U.S. is back on top again!....Obama has stabilied Wall Street and the banks with the new regulations put in place....Wall St. is boming and the Great Recession should never happen again now that there is new regulation in place.....
Obama is AMZAING!
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Not this shit again. Haha. Where to start. Lol
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Not this shit again. Haha. Where to start. Lol
Unemployment has plummeted....economy is coming back....over 300,000 jobs created and we've gained back all the jobs we lost in teh great Recession....Wal St. booming.......oil and gas way down...what more do you want?
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Not this shit again. Haha. Where to start. Lol
What is the UE rate as of Dec 2014, coach?
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All fake ass shit for the dummies like andreisdaman
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Labor participation rate remains historically low...someday, dum dum will realize that leaving the workforce because you can't find work and getting a job BOTH result in the unemployment rate dropping. The fact that diametrically opposed actions have the same net effect on a stat should provide a clue as to how worthless that stat is...
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All fake ass shit for the dummies like andreisdaman
what is fake about it?????????...everything I quoted above is TRUE...putting your head in the sand aint gonna change that.....stop being in denial and embrace the president for what he's done
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Labor participation rate remains historically low...someday, dum dum will realize that leaving the workforce because you can't find work and getting a job BOTH result in the unemployment rate dropping. The fact that diametrically opposed actions have the same net effect on a stat should provide a clue as to how worthless that stat is...
Fisrt off "dum dum", the labor participation rate has been going down for a very long time...not just under Obama.....and one of the reaqsons for that is that our population is gettting bigger and bigger.. as a population gets bigger of course there is going to be a larger pool of workers and not al of them will be able to find jobs.....thats just the facts..
second of all, you are making a huge and wrong assumption that everyone is dropping out of the labor force because they can't find work.....WRONG...that may be the case for some but many people drop out of the work force due to pregnancy, wanting to stay home with their children (I did this for 10 months after I was laid off..loved being home with the kids and wasn't looking for work)...going back to school....wanting to just take a break.....starting their own businesses.....some were laid off due to their jobs becoming obsolete or mechanized...also corporate America doesn't need as many workers any more...they learned during the Great Recesion that they can simply consolidate three jobs into one now.....small business owners no longer need accountants, bookkeepers, or lawyers..they can do all of that on a computer software program now....some people go back to their countries of origin...some people just want to work part time....ther are many reasons why people are not participating in the work force...its not just because they can't find wiork...thats your negative spin
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Fisrt off "dum dum", the labor participation rate has been going down for a very long time...not just under Obama.....second of all, you are making a huge and wrong assumption that everyone is dropping out of the labor force because they can't find work.....
First, the labor participation has never been this low and the reason it is so is BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE CAN'T FIND A DAMN JOB and RATHER STAY ON THE GOVERNMENT DIME.
Second, according to your personal saviour Barack Obama, the Stim Bill was supposed to bring the UE rate down to 5% after it was implemented. That was FIVE YEARS AGO and the UE is still at the government fabricated 5.8%. That 5.8% is total BS because they are not counting the people that can work but have dropped out of the work force and are on government assistance. Pretty much the same thing they did with immigration. They changed the definition of "deportation" and now try to claim they have record high deportations. Absolute nonsense.
In other words, any way you cut it, Obama is a failure. Period.
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First, the labor participation has never been this low and the reason it is so is BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE CAN'T FIND A DAMN JOB and RATHER STAY ON THE GOVERNMENT DIME.
Second, according to your personal saviour Barack Obama, the Stim Bill was supposed to bring the UE rate down to 5% after it was implemented. That was FIVE YEARS AGO and the UE is still at the government fabricated 5.8%. That 5.8% is total BS because they are not counting the people that can work but have dropped out of the work force and are on government assistance. Pretty much the same thing they did with immigration. They changed the definition of "deportation" and now try to claim they have record high deportations. Absolute nonsense.
In other words, any way you cut it, Obama is a failure. Period.
again you make the same mistake that all Obama haters make in their analysis of the reason for the low participation rate.....read my post above
second I really don't recall you saying that the unemployment rate numbers are "fabricated" when it was 9%.....at that time you and others used those numbers to criticize Obama....so your innate and utter hypocrisy has been exposed AGAIN 8)
PERIOD.
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The U.S. is back on top again!....Obama has stabilied Wall Street and the banks with the new regulations put in place....Wall St. is boming and the Great Recession should never happen again now that there is new regulation in place.....
Obama is AMZAING!
How do you figure this?
The regulations are what fucked things up in the first place, so the government "fixes" things with new regulations that are more idiotic than the original.
Wall street, what's going to happen when the fed stops "quantitative easing", and interest rates adjust?
The economy isn't booming, its all a smoke screen and when the smoke clears the US is really going to feel the pain.
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How do you figure this?
The regulations are what fucked things up in the first place, so the government "fixes" things with new regulations that are more idiotic than the original.
Wall street, what's going to happen when the fed stops "quantitative easing", and interest rates adjust?
The economy isn't booming, its all a smoke screen and when the smoke clears the US is really going to feel the pain.
you can't keep going around saying that the government is lying about everything and that everything they do is a smokescreen or a lie.....this is what leads people in the Tea Party to get crazy
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you can't keep going around saying that the government is lying about everything and that everything they do is a smokescreen or a lie.....this is what leads people in the Tea Party to get crazy
Keep fightin the good fight for brotha Barack!
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Keep fightin the good fight for brotha Barack!
only when he's right.....which in the case of this thread title, he is! 8)
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Are things better or worse since OB has been pres?
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Fisrt off "dum dum", the labor participation rate has been going down for a very long time...not just under Obama.....and one of the reaqsons for that is that our population is gettting bigger and bigger.. as a population gets bigger of course there is going to be a larger pool of workers and not al of them will be able to find jobs.....thats just the facts..
second of all, you are making a huge and wrong assumption that everyone is dropping out of the labor force because they can't find work.....WRONG...that may be the case for some but many people drop out of the work force due to pregnancy, wanting to stay home with their children (I did this for 10 months after I was laid off..loved being home with the kids and wasn't looking for work)...going back to school....wanting to just take a break.....starting their own businesses.....some were laid off due to their jobs becoming obsolete or mechanized...also corporate America doesn't need as many workers any more...they learned during the Great Recesion that they can simply consolidate three jobs into one now.....small business owners no longer need accountants, bookkeepers, or lawyers..they can do all of that on a computer software program now....some people go back to their countries of origin...some people just want to work part time....ther are many reasons why people are not participating in the work force...its not just because they can't find wiork...thats your negative spin
Pure nonsense....typically as the population expands, the economy expands and lo and behold jobs are created. People who WANT work can find work. The U5 "discouraged worker" unemployment rate remains historically high as does the U6 which adds people employed on a part time basis but who wish to be employed full time. The economy under Obama has been dreadful when you look at those numbers. He has burdened the economy with thousands of new laws and regulations which have hindered growth and choked the economic engine. He's an economic illiterate who views "business" as nothing more than an opportunity to line the pockets of his friends while engaging in social engineering and wealth redistribution. A pox on the houses of all who voted for him. May you be forced to toil at menial tasks befitting a donkey whilst wearing ll-fitting and uncomfortable garments of poor design and cheap synthetic fabrics.
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Are things better or worse since OB has been pres?
looking at it from a strictly better or worse scenario...its better..
Unemployment way down
Wall Street booming with record profits
Banks are regulated again, stable and profitable
Auto companies DID NOT go out of business and are profitiable as well
About 10 million more medically insured under Obamacare (with more to come)
Gas prices way down and under $2 in some places (who thought we'd ever see that again)
United States self sufficient in oil and gas (who thought that would ever happen)
Al Qaeda on the run and neutralized as a threat
Medical costs declining (maybe first time in in recent history)
All jobs lost during the Great Recession regained
THE BAD:
National Debt has increased tremendously
Race relations are probably worse
Student loan crisis
Political Gridlock in Washington
overall gotta say that Obama comes out on top
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Pure nonsense....typically as the population expands, the economy expands and lo and behold jobs are created. People who WANT work can find work. The U5 "discouraged worker" unemployment rate remains historically high as does the U6 which adds people employed on a part time basis but who wish to be employed full time. The economy under Obama has been dreadful when you look at those numbers. He has burdened the economy with thousands of new laws and regulations which have hindered growth and choked the economic engine. He's an economic illiterate who views "business" as nothing more than an opportunity to line the pockets of his friends while engaging in social engineering and wealth redistribution. A pox on the houses of all who voted for him. May you be forced to toil at menial tasks befitting a donkey whilst wearing ll-fitting and uncomfortable garments of poor design and cheap synthetic fabrics.
youre out of your mind.....
The U.S economy IS GROWING...but the problem is you are not going to get the big roust growth that we had before....our economy is already so big that huge growth like we used to have in the past is no longer possible.....we will continue to grow but at a mush slower pace as the years go by...which is why China has caught up to us..they will experience the same as well.....again..the labor particvipation rate has been trending down for 40 years...why blame Obama for that?...because it makes you feel good?
As for regulations, Obama was right to put regulations back in place....leaving industries to police themselves is what led us into the Great Recession.....predatory lending, junk bonds, etc.....and I'm quite sure if Obama did things to enrich his friends we would have heard about that by now....
stop grasping at straws
THINK
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What is the UE rate as of Dec 2014, coach?
I'm sorry, what was that labor participation rate again? 92? 95 million? ::) How many on food stamps?
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Obama's ass-kicking of Soul Crusher continues...Unemployment way down and has plummeted to 5.8%....heading towards full employment...over 300,000 jobs created... we are leading the world in terms of coming back from the world wide recession...Oil and gas is booming...gas prices heading under $2.....Obama deserves a lot of credit in bringing us back from the Great Recession....
The U.S. is back on top again!....Obama has stabilied Wall Street and the banks with the new regulations put in place....Wall St. is boming and the Great Recession should never happen again now that there is new regulation in place.....
Obama is AMZAING!
Gas went down, what went up? If you go back about 4-6 months I said the libs would be boasting right about now that UE was going down. Well...here you are boasting about it like I said. It has nothing to do with holiday temp jobs does it...you know, like it does EVERY YEAR. Wall St. and the market going up has little to do with economy.
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I'm sorry, what was that labor participation rate again? 92? 95 million? ::) How many on food stamps?
You're answering a Q with a Q.
What is the current UE rate?
What was participation rate in 2000, 2008 and 2014?
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I'm sorry, what was that labor participation rate again? 92? 95 million? ::) How many on food stamps?
again..labor participation rate has been declining steadily for many many years.....all of a sudden thats Obama's fault??????????
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Gas went down, what went up? If you go back about 4-6 months I said the libs would be boasting right about now that UE was going down. Well...here you are boasting about it like I said. It has nothing to do with holiday temp jobs does it...you know, like it does EVERY YEAR. Wall St. and the market going up has little to do with economy.
regardless of holiday jobs.....5.8% is way way way down from the high of almost 10%...a few more percentage points and we will be at full employment..but you won't give Obama credit for that will you?
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regardless of holiday jobs.....5.8% is way way way down from the high of almost 10%...a few more percentage points and we will be at full employment..but you won't give Obama credit for that will you?
What policy of Obama's do you credit? Okenyacare?
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What policy of Obama's do you credit? Okenyacare?
Okenyacare = Romneycare 8)
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Okenyacare = Romneycare
both suck
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you can't keep going around saying that the government is lying about everything and that everything they do is a smokescreen or a lie.....this is what leads people in the Tea Party to get crazy
Then fucking prove they aren't! Keep pumping free money into the stock market and rates at 0%, wow what a surprise the stock market is up. All the secretive BS, spying, and the list goes on. Your either a politician or on the ./gov tit..............
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Okenyacare = Romneycare 8)
come on, that's mean. It's not like that idiot Gruber wrote them both.
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looking at it from a strictly better or worse scenario...its better..
Unemployment way down
It took over 5 years, labor participation rate is at 92 million and the true UE is 11.5-12%..not 5.8
Wall Street booming with record profits
Has little to nothing to do with the economy
Banks are regulated again, stable and profitable
Big deal....pummeling their customers with hidden fees and zero interest rates on most regular accounts
Auto companies DID NOT go out of business and are profitiable as well
They still owe bond holders billions
About 10 million more medically insured under Obamacare (with more to come)
Last I heard almost 60-65% opposed it. People are getting raped with exorbitant premiums that were promised that would go down. It's a f.ucking disaster. See Gruber.
Gas prices way down and under $2 in some places (who thought we'd ever see that again)
What went up to cover the cost of fuel going down?
United States self sufficient in oil and gas (who thought that would ever happen)
WTF are you talking about? It wasn't that long that Obama stated that Brazil was going to be our best friend
Al Qaeda on the run and neutralized as a threat
They're ISIS..wake the fuck up. They haven't slowed since he launched a few bomb attacks to empty buildings ::)
Medical costs declining (maybe first time in in recent history)
Bullshit..see Obamacare
All jobs lost during the Great Recession regained
LOL..
THE BAD:
National Debt has increased tremendously
Race relations are probably worse
Student loan crisis
Political Gridlock in Washington
overall gotta say that Obama comes out on top
I've came to the absolute conclusion that you're delusional.
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I've came to the absolute conclusion that you're delusional.
Refute the points
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Refute the points
I did. Read my answers under what he nonsense he posted.
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Then fucking prove they aren't! Keep pumping free money into the stock market and rates at 0%, wow what a surprise the stock market is up. All the secretive BS, spying, and the list goes on. Your either a politician or on the ./gov tit..............
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I've came to the absolute conclusion that you're delusional.
not delusional....is there ANYTHING on that list that you can reasonably dispute????????????????...and as you can see I even put in the negatives...I'm not an apologist for Obama...I simply think that all presidents share in where we have come to today...they ALL had a part in it..
most of your refutations have nothing to do with Obama.....I agree with you in terms of bank fees...but thats been happening for years...why is that Obama's fault?.....it seems to me that for all of you conservative idiots on here, Obama has become your idealized father......you expect him to operform miracles, have the answer to eveerything, and protect you from being hurt in any way...and when that doesn't happen you blame him for everything, meanwhile don't give him credit for nothing...all of your counterpoints are just grasping at straws and are absoulutely wrong
CRYBABY BEHAVIOR ;)
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regardless of holiday jobs.....5.8% is way way way down from the high of almost 10%...a few more percentage points and we will be at full employment..but you won't give Obama credit for that will you?
Why would he give Obama credit for failing to do in 6 years what he was supposed to do in three?
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Why would he give Obama credit for failing to do in 6 years what he was supposed to do in three?
He had to do it on his iown...with ABSOLUTELY NO REPUBLICAN HELP...and who said it had to be done in three years?????
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He had to do it on his iown...with ABSOLUTELY NO REPUBLICAN HELP...and who said it had to be done in three years?????
What exactly did obama do in your warped mind
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What exactly did obama do in your warped mind
you already know.......all the good stuff that you deny
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He had to do it on his iown...with ABSOLUTELY NO REPUBLICAN HELP...and who said it had to be done in three years?????
HE SAID IT, or did you forget that part?
The Dems ran the whole show during his first two years. That's how we got Obamacare, remember?
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HE SAID IT, or did you forget that part?
The Dems ran the whole show during his first two years. That's how we got Obamacare, remember?
and I guess you do everything you say you're going to do in the time you say you going to do it huh wiseguy?..some things take a little longer..he got it done....so go cry
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*shaking head @ andreisdaman lol
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and I guess you do everything you say you're going to do in the time you say you going to do it huh wiseguy?..some things take a little longer..he got it done....so go cry
Most of the time I do, especially when I have all the tools at my disposal to get it done. I don't blame ATMs, airport kiosks, Arab Springs, or radio talkshow hosts for my failures.
And, NO, he didn't get it done. Unemployment, even with all the numbers fudging, still ain't at 5%. Gitmo is wide open, nearly 5 years after he said it'd be closed.
He didn't do his amnesty law, when he had an unstoppable majority in both Houses of Congress (amnesty-backing Latinos have called him out on that repeatedly).
He hiked taxes on the middle class, via ObamaCare. BTW, Obama didn't have Republican help on ObamaCare; yet it got passed.
And, that's just the short list.
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Most of the time I do, especially when I have all the tools at my disposal to get it done. I don't blame ATMs, airport kiosks, Arab Springs, or radio talkshow hosts for my failures.
And, NO, he didn't get it done. Unemployment, even with all the numbers fudging, still ain't at 5%. Gitmo is wide open, nearly 5 years after he said it'd be closed.
He didn't do his amnesty law, when he had an unstoppable majority in both Houses of Congress (amnesty-backing Latinos have called him out on that repeatedly).
He hiked taxes on the middle class, via ObamaCare. BTW, Obama didn't have Republican help on ObamaCare; yet it got passed.
And, that's just the short list.
sigh..... keep grasping at straws if it makes you happy...still drinking that orange cell tech in very high quantities I see
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sigh..... keep grasping at straws if it makes you happy...still drinking that orange cell tech in very high quantities I see
Even though you're delusional, you're persistant.
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Even though you're delusional, you're persistant.
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sigh..... keep grasping at straws if it makes you happy...still drinking that orange cell tech in very high quantities I see
What straws? I pointed out SPECIFIC things that Obama said he would do but didn't, despite having the time and political muscle to get it done. So all you're left to do is talk about one of the worst tasting product ever created.
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What straws? I pointed out SPECIFIC things that Obama said he would do but didn't, despite having the time and political muscle to get it done. So all you're left to do is talk about one of the worst tasting product ever created.
Even though Obama had a majority in his first two years, major legislation takes taime , energy, and effort...you can only pass one major piece of legislation at a time......he focused on the ACA....you should know by now that politicians can't focus long enough to get multiple bills done ;)
As for the taste of the orange Cell-Tech...I agree with you :)
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Even though Obama had a majority in his first two years, major legislation takes taime , energy, and effort...you can only pass one major piece of legislation at a time......he focused on the ACA....you should know by now that politicians can't focus long enough to get multiple bills done ;)
As for the taste of the orange Cell-Tech...I agree with you :)
How much are you paid to write this nonsense.
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http://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7938229/obama-economic-plan-chart
One chart that explains Obama’s new economic plan
President Barack Obama's 2015 State of the Union was different than all his other State of the Unions. Obama, for the first time, offered an economic plan that wasn't really about unemployment. And if you want to know why, look at the chart above.
The graph comes from the Economic Policy Institute, and it outlines one of the stranger facets of the recovery. Unemployment has fallen to normal levels — 5.6 percent unemployment was routine in, say, 1995, a year that few remember as some sort of labor market hellscape. But the fall in unemployment isn't just driven by people getting jobs. It's also driven by workers disappearing from the labor market.
The unemployment rate doesn't include everyone without a job. It only counts people who don't have a job and have looked for a new one in the last four weeks. If you don't have a job and, for whatever reason, haven't looked for a new one in the last four weeks, you're not counted as unemployed. And that's a big part of what's brought the unemployment rate down: millions of workers who lost their jobs have stopped looking for new ones.
The measure you want to track here is "labor-force participation": the percentage of the adult population (excluding people in the military, prisons, mental hospitals, and nursing homes) that's either working or looking for work. When Obama took office, it was 65.7 percent. In December, it was 62.7 percent. That's a sharp drop.
There are good reasons for the participation rate to fall. Retirement, for example, reduces labor-force participation, and that's fine — we don't want people to have to work until the day they die. And with the Baby Boomers hitting retirement age, we knew that labor-force participation was going to fall during Obama's presidency — much as it fell during George W. Bush's presidency.
But there are bad reasons for people to be leaving the labor force, too. Being unable to find a job for months on end, despite sending out hundreds of resumes, is a bad reason. Being unable to find a job that pays enough for child care and your bus commute is a bad reason. We should worry about people who drop out of the labor force for those reasons just like we worry about the unemployed.
So to get a solid picture of the labor market right now, you have to do more than look at the unemployment rate. You have to do more than look at the labor-force participation rate, too. You also have to make a judgment about how much of the participation drop comes from demographic factors like aging, and how much is unemployment or underemployment in disguise.
The White House's Council of Economic Advisers took a go at this last summer: they concluded that roughly half the fall in labor force participation was to be expected, and the other half was partly "a cyclical decline in line with historical patterns in previous recessions" and partly "other factors, which may include trends that pre-date the Great Recession and consequences of the unique severity of the Great Recession."
The folks at the Economic Policy Institute also came up with a clever way to do try to tease out the numbers. They unearthed a Bureau of Labor Statistic paper from 2007 — so, from before the recession — called "Labor Force Projections to 2016: More Workers in Their Golden Years". The study included a projection of labor-force participation until, well, 2016. Obviously, in 2007, the BLS didn't know we were about to face the biggest recession in 80 years. This makes their predictions a good proxy for what would have happened to labor force participation without the downturn. EPI compared the BLS predictions to the actual numbers, figuring the difference is attributable to the recession.
Like any projection, the BLS paper might have been wrong. Perhaps labor force participation was always going to fall faster than the BLS thought. But if you take it as a benchmark, the results are devastating: it shows six million workers missing from the labor force. If they were all actively looking for jobs today, the unemployment rate would be 9.1 percent — and no one would be talking about a recovery.
A complicated problem
Unemployment is a straightforward problem: it's people who want jobs but can't find them. Labor force participation is more complicated. Some of those six million missing workers are people who want jobs and have been so thoroughly discouraged trying to find them that they've given up. Some are students in college or grad school. Some are people who can't find a job that pays enough to offset the costs of transportation and child care. Some are members of families that got used to having only one income during the recession and now find it hard to go back.
No one — including the Obama administration — doubts that a big part of the problem here is too few jobs. But now that the economy is beginning to add jobs at a rapid clip, the White House is turning to the other side of the problem: many of the jobs on offer don't pay much, and certainly not enough to pull people back into the labor force. And this, in turn, is part of a longer-term problem in the economy: lower-skill workers haven't gotten a real raise in decades.
If you read the White House's new economic proposals closely, you see them trying to do two things: make jobs pay more by raising the minimum wage and offering various tax credits to workers, and make workers more valuable to employers by making it cheaper for them to go to college. This isn't an agenda that directly tries to create jobs so much as it's an agenda that tries to make the jobs that already exist more valuable to workers, and the workers that already exist more valuable to employers.
Solving this problem matters, and not just for the affected workers. This week, the Congressional Budget Office projected that deficits were going to grow faster than expected because the economy was going to grow more slowly than expected. And part of the reason they think America is going to grow more slowly in the coming years is fewer people are in the workforce.
"This is a very, very big deal," says Jared Bernstein, senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and a former White House economist. "Maybe the biggest deal. It’s not just that we want people to get back into the job market because it would improve their living standards. It’s also because the economy depends on it."
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This above...good read
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Look for unemployment to tick back up with the oil drilling cutbacks and layoffs. Ironic that the industry the far left hates so much has pretty much single handedly shouldered the entire rather anemic actual economic and employment recoveries during the 2 terms of their poster boy president.
Then there's the expiration of the unemployment benefits...
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/397174/study-2014s-employment-boom-almost-entirely-due-expiration-unemployment-benefits-obama (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/397174/study-2014s-employment-boom-almost-entirely-due-expiration-unemployment-benefits-obama)