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Title: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Skorp1o on December 18, 2014, 10:15:15 AM
My first ever mag is this same exact edition I bought from a news agent sometime in the 90's, I was a teenager back then (shitty hairline from a young age but decent abs and no guns)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48833.0;attach=50376;image)

It featured the following guys from memory (some mentioned in cover):

Tom Prince
-On dialysis
Craig Titus-Life in Jail
Mike Matarazzo-Dead from heart complications
Mentzer- Dead from Heart complications
Flex Wheeler-Kidney failure then transplant
Dennis Newman-Leukaemia

Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: 240 is Back on December 18, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
most of these conditions were congenital.  They would have suffered from them earlier, but bodybuilding helps to "hold off" illnesses for decades longer.

For example, without the successes of bodybuilding, Craig Titus would have faced life in prison by age 22.  His love of iron allowed him the $ and lifestyle to hold off that sentence for nearly a decade.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: SF1900 on December 18, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
most of these conditions were congenital.  They would have suffered from them earlier, but bodybuilding helps to "hold off" illnesses for decades longer.

For example, without the successes of bodybuilding, Craig Titus would have faced life in prison by age 22.  His love of iron allowed him the $ and lifestyle to hold off that sentence for nearly a decade.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 18, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
ALSO A LOT DOING JUST FINE

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Multi millionaire supplement magnates

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IFBB Union Chief, Popular spokesman and MC extraordinaire

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Getbig legend, Online billionaire, E-Grocery inventor

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62443.0;attach=72141;image)
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 18, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
Good list but to be fair, Chick had prostate cancer which I'm sure all those wonderful DHT derivatives contributed to.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Primemuscle on December 18, 2014, 11:18:12 AM
Good list but to be fair, Chick had prostate cancer which I'm sure all those wonderful DHT derivatives contributed to.

Anything is possible, but don't be too sure that DHT caused his prostate cancer. Prostate cancer statistics indicate that it is a very common disease.

"Aside from non-melanoma skin cancer, prostate cancer is the most common cancer among men in the United States. It is also one of the leading causes of cancer death among men of all races and Hispanic origin populations. For more information, visit Cancer Among Men.
In 2011  (the most recent year numbers are available)—

    209,292 men in the United States were diagnosed with prostate cancer.*†
    27,970 men in the United States died from prostate cancer.*†

*Incidence counts cover about 99% of the U.S. population; death counts cover about 100% of the U.S. population. Use caution when comparing incidence and death counts."

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/prostate/statistics/
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 18, 2014, 11:19:43 AM
Anything is possible, but don't be too sure that DHT caused his prostate cancer. Prostate cancer statistics indicate that it is a very common disease.

"Aside from non-melanoma skin cancer, prostate cancer is the most common cancer among men in the United States. It is also one of the leading causes of cancer death among men of all races and Hispanic origin populations. For more information, visit Cancer Among Men.
In 2011  (the most recent year numbers are available)—

    209,292 men in the United States were diagnosed with prostate cancer.*†
    27,970 men in the United States died from prostate cancer.*†

*Incidence counts cover about 99% of the U.S. population; death counts cover about 100% of the U.S. population. Use caution when comparing incidence and death counts."

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/prostate/statistics/

No shit, but to claim DHT converting drugs have no effect on potential tumor proliferation on an already vulnerable organ in men is just plain retarded.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: BB on December 18, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
I remember that issue, it had an early article on the reintroduction of DNP by an ex dealer named Jeff Feliciano. Flex actually had some decent drug articles at that time, spurred on by the success of Muscle Media 2000.

I'm sure if you opened up that issue now, the number of dead or busted out bodybuilders would be even more shocking.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: che on December 18, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
most of these conditions were congenital.  They would have suffered from them earlier, but bodybuilding helps to "hold off" illnesses for decades longer.

For example, without the successes of bodybuilding, Craig Titus would have faced life in prison by age 22.  His love of iron allowed him the $ and lifestyle to hold off that sentence for nearly a decade.
;D
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: nighttrain on December 18, 2014, 06:51:50 PM
op is a pussy

/thread
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 18, 2014, 07:59:43 PM
Anything is possible, but don't be too sure that DHT caused his prostate cancer. Prostate cancer statistics indicate that it is a very common disease.

"Aside from non-melanoma skin cancer, prostate cancer is the most common cancer among men in the United States. It is also one of the leading causes of cancer death among men of all races and Hispanic origin populations. For more information, visit Cancer Among Men.
In 2011  (the most recent year numbers are available)—

    209,292 men in the United States were diagnosed with prostate cancer.*†
    27,970 men in the United States died from prostate cancer.*†

*Incidence counts cover about 99% of the U.S. population; death counts cover about 100% of the U.S. population. Use caution when comparing incidence and death counts."

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/prostate/statistics/

One of the first thing they do with prostate cancer with many is to give a pill that effectively stops your testicles from making testosterone. Many forget that anabolic steroids were invented to increase the anabolic properties of testosterone and to minimize the androgen effect. They did this because the Soviets Olympic team was using so much straight testosterone and the results in many was an enlarged prostate. Some had it so bad they had to use a catheter to urinate. So my conclusion is that using steroids can hasten the development of enlarged prostate and maybe even cancer. But hey, I'm not a doctor.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 18, 2014, 11:20:22 PM
One of the first thing they do with prostate cancer with many is to give a pill that effectively stops your testicles from making testosterone. Many forget that anabolic steroids were invented to increase the anabolic properties of testosterone and to minimize the androgen effect. They did this because the Soviets Olympic team was using so much straight testosterone and the results in many was an enlarged prostate. Some had it so bad they had to use a catheter to urinate. So my conclusion is that using steroids can hasten the development of enlarged prostate and maybe even cancer. But hey, I'm not a doctor.

Nope you're correct, while using vocabulary easy to understand for the lay person.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: evandatp on December 19, 2014, 12:54:48 AM
most of these conditions were congenital.  They would have suffered from them earlier, but bodybuilding helps to "hold off" illnesses for decades longer.

For example, without the successes of bodybuilding, Craig Titus would have faced life in prison by age 22.  His love of iron allowed him the $ and lifestyle to hold off that sentence for nearly a decade.
In a parallel universe, '240 went to Law School' is raking it in.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: muscleman-2013 on December 19, 2014, 01:05:36 AM
Hey but it was worth it right!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48833.0;attach=50376;image)
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: gracie bjj on December 19, 2014, 01:05:54 AM
didnt chick say his grand dad and his dad had prostate cancer? so in reality he could of got it without using testosterone,who knows.with newman and leukemia,yes he had the gene but the HGH just brought it to the surface,it might have never surfaced if he never used. thats the only thing i worry about,cancer runs in my family so i get alittle worried doing this TRT
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: falco on December 19, 2014, 04:05:05 AM
Did you noticed that they all have legs and not toothpics like you?
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Skorp1o on December 19, 2014, 04:08:28 AM
Did you noticed that they all have legs and not toothpics like you?

I'd say chop sticks as they are longer

Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Tennisballz on December 19, 2014, 09:32:07 AM
My first ever mag is this same exact edition I bought from a news agent sometime in the 90's, I was a teenager back then (shitty hairline from a young age but decent abs and no guns)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48833.0;attach=50376;image)

It featured the following guys from memory (some mentioned in cover):

Tom Prince
-On dialysis
Craig Titus-Life in Jail
Mike Matarazzo-Dead from heart complications
Mentzer- Dead from Heart complications
Flex Wheeler-Kidney failure then transplant
Dennis Newman-Leukaemia


their wastes look huge to me i  this pic.  Was insulin being used at this point in time?  From what I've read growth already was.  Maybe it's just the angle.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Nails on December 19, 2014, 09:34:55 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=242793.0;attach=283532;image)
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 19, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
most of these conditions were congenital.  They would have suffered from them earlier, but bodybuilding helps to "hold off" illnesses for decades longer.

For example, without the successes of bodybuilding, Craig Titus would have faced life in prison by age 22.  His love of iron allowed him the $ and lifestyle to hold off that sentence for nearly a decade.

that is brutal stuff, Rob. Have a little empathy.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 19, 2014, 09:39:03 AM
their wastes look huge to me i  this pic.  Was insulin being used at this point in time?  From what I've read growth already was.  Maybe it's just the angle.

Yes, lots.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Primemuscle on December 19, 2014, 11:50:36 AM
No shit, but to claim DHT converting drugs have no effect on potential tumor proliferation on an already vulnerable organ in men is just plain retarded.

Did I claim DHT had no effect? I didn't think I did. Truth is, no one really knows what may have contributed to his prostate cancer. I believe I remember him mentioning to me that his father also had prostate cancer. Specific cancers are often thought to be genetic. The point I was making was that prostate cancer is a very common cancer and ailment.

Without a doubt, my being on HRT could have contributed to the onset of my having prostate cancer. It certainly was the reason it was caught so early on since I was having PSA #'s checked quarterly.  I had prostate issues my entire adult life, which surely had some effect. My family history is riddled with cancer on both sides. Many things contribute to one getting cancer. My love for scotch could have been a culprit too. Perhaps I should have had prostate massages to avoid getting cancer.  ;D
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Primemuscle on December 19, 2014, 11:58:56 AM
their wastes look huge to me i  this pic.  Was insulin being used at this point in time?  From what I've read growth already was.  Maybe it's just the angle.

Yeah they look like a couple of piles of shit...."wastes".;D Their waist(lines) are large, much like many bodybuilders from this time period.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Chacka on December 19, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Did I claim DHT had no effect? I didn't think I did. Truth is, no one really knows what may have contributed to his prostate cancer. I believe I remember him mentioning to me that his father also had prostate cancer. Specific cancers are often thought to be genetic. The point I was making was that prostate cancer is a very common cancer and ailment.

Without a doubt, my being on HRT could have contributed to the onset of my having prostate cancer. It certainly was the reason it was caught so early on since I was having PSA #'s checked quarterly.  I had prostate issues my entire adult life, which surely had some effect. My family history is riddled with cancer on both sides. Many things contribute to one getting cancer. My love for scotch could have been a culprit too. Perhaps I should have had prostate massages to avoid getting cancer.  ;D

don't be so hard on yourself champ, you  a thonged older gentleman seemingly doing well and seem to battle the iron regularly :-\
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: bigmc on December 19, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
tom prince will never drop below 250lbs its impossible
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on December 19, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
No shit, but to claim DHT converting drugs have no effect on potential tumor proliferation on an already vulnerable organ in men is just plain retarded.

Sounds logical, but prostate cancer isn't especially prevalent in bodybuilders.  Considering the amount of dht/androgens they take, you'd think it would be epidemic.

Maybe they succumb to CV/renal stuff first, who knows.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 19, 2014, 03:23:39 PM
Sounds logical, but prostate cancer isn't especially prevalent in bodybuilders.  Considering the amount of dht/androgens they take, you'd think it would be epidemic.

Maybe they succumb to CV/renal stuff first, who knows.

I think it's a bit premature to draw that conclusion just yet. I'd like to see how the 80s Bodybuilders turn out in another 10 years. My gut says they are going to have prostate issues, in fact I'll be shocked if they are immune to it and have the same rates as your average joe.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: King Shizzo on December 19, 2014, 03:26:21 PM
I think it's a bit premature to draw that conclusion just yet. I'd like to see how the 80s Bodybuilders turn out in another 10 years. My gut says they are going to have prostate issues, in fact I'll be shocked if they are immune to it and have the same rates as your average joe.
Well you are an expert in all things prostate, so I will definately take your advice into deep consideration.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 19, 2014, 06:43:13 PM
Well you are an expert in all things prostate, so I will definately take your advice into deep consideration.

I set you up for that alley (p)oop didn't I  :D
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: gracie bjj on December 20, 2014, 03:39:41 AM
I think it's a bit premature to draw that conclusion just yet. I'd like to see how the 80s Bodybuilders turn out in another 10 years. My gut says they are going to have prostate issues, in fact I'll be shocked if they are immune to it and have the same rates as your average joe.

i was thinking about the 70's guys also and i dont know of any that had prostate problems,im sure some do i prolly just havent heard of any.they where doing test and dbol back then also so they should have issues with their prostates by now i would imagine if test was the culprit ???
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: dr.chimps on December 20, 2014, 03:45:07 AM
most of these conditions were congenital.  They would have suffered from them earlier, but bodybuilding helps to "hold off" illnesses for decades longer.

For example, without the successes of bodybuilding, Craig Titus would have faced life in prison by age 22.  His love of iron allowed him the $ and lifestyle to hold off that sentence for nearly a decade.
Funny stuff. A welcome return to form?  ;D
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: pedro01 on December 20, 2014, 05:03:40 AM
My first ever mag is this same exact edition I bought from a news agent sometime in the 90's, I was a teenager back then (shitty hairline from a young age but decent abs and no guns)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48833.0;attach=50376;image)

It featured the following guys from memory (some mentioned in cover):

Tom Prince
-On dialysis
Craig Titus-Life in Jail
Mike Matarazzo-Dead from heart complications
Mentzer- Dead from Heart complications
Flex Wheeler-Kidney failure then transplant
Dennis Newman-Leukaemia



Not to mention the homosexual imagery on the front page.

Very Brokeback Mountain....

Thank fuck there wasn't a pic 20 seconds later when they had their tongues down each others throat...

Or is that not off putting?
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: Skorp1o on December 20, 2014, 07:56:18 AM
Not to mention the homosexual imagery on the front page.

Very Brokeback Mountain....

Thank fuck there wasn't a pic 20 seconds later when they had their tongues down each others throat...

Or is that not off putting?

Good point, if I saw a magazine like this in my teenage sons bedroom I would get questions in my head about which Side he's batting for. I sometimes wonder if my parents wondered if I was heading to be gay and were just too old fashioned to raise that conversation with me.
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: SF1900 on December 20, 2014, 09:25:16 AM
My first ever mag is this same exact edition I bought from a news agent sometime in the 90's, I was a teenager back then (shitty hairline from a young age but decent abs and no guns)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48833.0;attach=50376;image)

It featured the following guys from memory (some mentioned in cover):

Tom Prince
-On dialysis
Craig Titus-Life in Jail
Mike Matarazzo-Dead from heart complications
Mentzer- Dead from Heart complications
Flex Wheeler-Kidney failure then transplant
Dennis Newman-Leukaemia



What's funny is if a young kid who is just getting into bodybuilding finds this issue, he will think the two guys on the cover (prince and titus) have it made. he will envision them with huge muscles and many women. too bad he wont realize that one is in jail and the other is a skinny twink now..  :D
Title: Re: Why I'm Apprehensive About Bodybuilding
Post by: pedro01 on December 20, 2014, 10:28:46 AM
Good point, if I saw a magazine like this in my teenage sons bedroom I would get questions in my head about which Side he's batting for. I sometimes wonder if my parents wondered if I was heading to be gay and were just too old fashioned to raise that conversation with me.

Has to be said - when was 18 and training in "Thor Gym" & listening to Guns N Roses - I saw nothing gay about a picture of a shirtless, tanned, oiled up muscular man in cut off jeans held up by braces with workmans boots and rolled down white socks on his feet and a large chain around his neck, who at the same time was carrying a truck tire in each hand.

Nope - to me that was just a picture of an athlete and in no way masturbation material for those that take the other bus home.