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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: FitnessFrenzy on December 23, 2014, 01:35:01 PM
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Just Google it for fun. Holy shit:
http://www.google.com/patents/US5413546
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Just Google it for fun. Holy shit:
http://www.google.com/patents/US5413546
Actually, that's quite impressive to have a patent with that much detail.
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Too bad dumbells exist...
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too bad direct work on biceps isnt really neccessary
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Actually, that's quite impressive to have a patent with that much detail.
Are you going to use it before your next show?
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Too bad he doesn't have any biceps to patent
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There is a lot of flotsam that Basile puts out, but that machine is one I would gladly use if it were in a gym.
I also like his modification(s) to the legendary Nautilus Duo Squat.
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Vince, did you go to school for engineering, or just a smart mutha' naturally?
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would love to try out that machine. He's like the Willy Wonka of workout machines
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sits here with jaw open in blank stare not saying a word....
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Hahaha excellent find
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This learned man uses "bicep" on a patent?
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Actually, that's quite impressive to have a patent with that much detail.
impressive isnt over engineering
all good engineering is simple
well done him for getting the patent
but the machine has never been sold and never will
it basically replicates a dumbell with 30000 moving parts
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The guy is a bag of toys.
THE BEEF
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Vince, did you go to school for engineering, or just a smart mutha' naturally?
I went to ITT, then worked at Ikon as a systems engineer
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would love to try out that machine. He's like the Willy Wonka of workout machines
;D ;D ;D
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Am I reading the patent right. The patent is no longer valid?
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Am I reading the patent right. The patent is no longer valid?
the patent expired or similar. Can Basile please elaborate?
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. He's like the Willy Wonka of workout machines
hahahaha so true
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would love to try out that machine. He's like the Willy Wonka of workout machines
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Past due Patent Of Peace
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Past due Patent Of Peace
with all Basile's self-promotion etc. I just wonder why he didn't mention that there was a patent on this machine once.
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with all Basile's self-promotion etc. I just wonder why he didn't mention that there was a patent on this machine once.
He`s a modest man.
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..........or,he was too busy attending strangers funerals that he forgot to mention the contraptrion was patented.
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I went to ITT, then worked at Ikon as a systems engineer
He was talking to Basile
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I went to ITT, then worked at Ikon as a systems engineer
In other words, you went to the drive-thru of shitty education, asked for fries and then became a gofer for a low-level sysadmin working at a septic tank drainage company. Your qualifications clinched you the job - what with you being full of shit. Luckily you discovered Bitcoin and became a wealthy tycoon with a trailer, television and sometimes even food! What a life!
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The best equipment for biceps are dbs. Then cables. Then 1 or 2 machines I've used were alright.
Good ole fashioned free weights are best for growin arms.
IMHO
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The best equipment for biceps are dbs. Then cables. Then 1 or 2 machines I've used were alright.
Good ole fashioned free weights are best for growin arms.
IMHO
Have you used my machine? NO. Then how on earth can you compare it with simple dumbbells?
Dumbbells, if engaging the supinators can be effective. For triceps, machines have an even greater
effectiveness and advantage.
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The best equipment for biceps are dbs. Then cables. Then 1 or 2 machines I've used were alright.
Good ole fashioned free weights are best for growin arms.
IMHO
No barbells?
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impressive isnt over engineering
all good engineering is simple
well done him for getting the patent
but the machine has never been sold and never will
it basically replicates a dumbell with 30000 moving parts
rubbish.
if thi8s machine does it, it could be set so that at any position in the movement, the weight elicits maximum tension in the muscle.
a dumbell cannot do that. a dumbell moves in an arc which means that its force at the pivot, near where the biceps attaches, varies greatly.
but, in addition, the tension on the muscle varies greatly due to the arc itself.
so a machine that removes any overly difficult parts of the arc, which are preventing the user from moving the resistance to an angle where there is better mechanical leverage, is a good thing. its essentially like having a cheat portion, but without cheating.
that means the effort you put into the cheat, can be used directly by the muscle.
basically this is how a cable with an adjustable cam on it would work. pretty useless in a public gym where every person has different length levers and insertions.
would be very good for professional athletes who want to nail the specific biomechanics for their own body.
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I doubt there are many on Getbig who have patented any new device.
What usually happens when you invent something is you build a prototype. Then you try it out and then change things
on the next prototype. After several of these cycles of testing, designing and changing you get closer to a good mechanism.
I have simplified the machine and it is now user friendly. Even some of the dumbbells here could operate it without instructions.
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I doubt there are many on Getbig who have patented any new device.
What usually happens when you invent something is you build a prototype. Then you try it out and then change things
on the next prototype. After several of these cycles of testing, designing and changing you get closer to a good mechanism.
I have simplified the machine and it is now user friendly. Even some of the dumbbells here could operate it without instructions.
for a novice that no nothing a out engineering stuff that is quite an impressive build. Have you designed or mod other training equipment?
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Have you used my machine? NO. Then how on earth can you compare it with simple dumbbells?
Dumbbells, if engaging the supinators can be effective. For triceps, machines have an even greater
effectiveness and advantage.
would like to try your machine. It is always nice to try a new gym machine even though I prefer free weights. :)
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I doubt there are many on Getbig who have patented any new device.
What usually happens when you invent something is you build a prototype. Then you try it out and then change things
on the next prototype. After several of these cycles of testing, designing and changing you get closer to a good mechanism.
I have simplified the machine and it is now user friendly. Even some of the dumbbells here could operate it without instructions.
Hats off to you for your patent. As you say its more than other people have done. I take it the purpose is to maintain continuous tension throughout the movement, whilst also allowing a natural range of motion, as oppose to being on a fixed plane of movement.
Sadly mainstream gym chains no longer want this kind of equipment. Look at the likes of Nautilus who seem to have given up and just gone to making bikes and ellipticals, there is no money in high performance weights machines. You only see these kind of fancy machines in universities and Athletic institutes otherwise every gym seems to just go with standard Life Fitness stuff.
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would like to try your machine. It is always nice to try a new gym machine even though I prefer free weights. :)
Arthur Jones started publishing material about his Nautilus Machines around 1969. Ironman Magazine later had articles/ads by Jones that took up many pages.
Arthur talked about dynamic variable resistance and all manner of new engineering features that made his machines 'superior' to other machines and free
weights. When it came to a biceps machine he knew that even Nautilus machines allowed resistance in only one degree of freedom, namely flexion.
There was no way to combine flexion with the twisting or supinating that part of the biceps does. I was inspired by what he said so it was always a dream
of mine to design and build good gym equipment. When I started making gym equipment seriously in 1975 I came up with unique designs for leg extension
machines that featured adjustable leg length plus adjustable back support. Sounds silly to say this now but equipment was rather simple in those days.
Companies like Paramount and Universal were making equipment for schools, universities and gyms.
I started building gym equipment in a workshop in 1981. I believe I was the first person to put linear motion bearings in a Smith Machine and leg presses.
Now everyone does that. It solved the friction problem that caused early machines to stick. The early Smith machines had chains and sprockets that linked the sides together.
The linear bearings eliminated the need for those linking chains. I didn't think what I did was a big deal so I set out to design and build equipment for
other gyms to start with to generate some cash to stay in business. I came up with original designs for heaps of gym equipment. Some of the machines
I built in the late 80s are still some of the best made machines ever installed in any gym. They are still working fine today and will continue to do so
indefinitely. About 1987 when Ray Mentzer was staying at my place in Sydney I came up with a design for a biceps supinator. A clever guy who shared
the factory with me came up with the first solution but I came up with my own version that was not as wide as his would have been. It wasn't until
1991 that I actually designed the mechanism for the biceps-supinator. This dual mechanism can also be applied to a triceps machine and also an
abdominal machine but I haven't got around to designing them yet. I got a patent attorney to send the application to five countries around the world.
USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany and Australia. You have to apply to every country you want protection in and there are both initial fees and then
annual fees if a patent is granted. The USA patent was delayed until 1995. More money was spent on those patent attorneys in both Australia and the USA.
I didn't actually build the machine until 2001. I did everything by myself. By that time it was clear that Cybex and Nautilus were not interested in it so
I let the patent lapse. It was costing over $5000 a year just for fees. There was no point if no company was interested. I wasn't interested in making copies
for others, either. So I put the machine in my gym to see how the lads liked it. To my surprise most of the heads didn't use it. Some had to be shown but
they more or less drifted off to continue using dumbbells and the other biceps machines installed in my gym.
With different people using the machine it became clear that changes had to be made. Major alterations had to be made three times over the last 13 years.
The last modification was completed this year and now the machine is much simpler and is so much easier to use. I finally got it right!
I can honestly say that you can get absolutely brutal workouts on the machine. You can do both arms simultaneously or individually. I prefer the latter.
Then you can simultaneously supinate while curling or just do the curling. Even if you don't supinate during the movement there is still additional tension
on the biceps because the resistance via the supination weight stack has to be prevented from unwinding. When I did my first really hard supersetted
arm workout a few months ago I ended up with DOMS in both biceps the following few days. My arms pumped over an inch that workout. That is the
first time in decades that I have had DOMS in the biceps. I have one torn biceps so that limits what I can do with my right biceps.
I haven't approached any company about building the machines yet and the machine is not at my gym. I am still testing it.
I actually talked to Arthur Jones in 1995 on the phone after receiving my USA patent. Smart guy and we had a good chat for over an hour. He died
before I had a chance to go to Florida to meet him.
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Hats off to you for your patent. As you say its more than other people have done. I take it the purpose is to maintain continuous tension throughout the movement, whilst also allowing a natural range of motion, as oppose to being on a fixed plane of movement.
Sadly mainstream gym chains no longer want this kind of equipment. Look at the likes of Nautilus who seem to have given up and just gone to making bikes and ellipticals, there is no money in high performance weights machines. You only see these kind of fancy machines in universities and Athletic institutes otherwise every gym seems to just go with standard Life Fitness stuff.
20 or 30 years ago the gym equipment business was more viable. Since that time there have been amalgamations of companies and also some have disappeared. I am pleased that most of the professional equipment
seems to work okay today. Not so sure about Hammer though because I have three machines in my gym and they all need adjustments to feel better.
The main idea of my biceps-supinator is to have two separate resistances for each function of the biceps. If you put your left hand over your right biceps then do a curl you will feel the biceps contract like it does
when you flex your arms. Keep your right arm bent and then twist the wrist inwardly. That is the supination function of the biceps and my machine had a separate weight stack to provide resistance for the twisting
function. You can add more weight as you progress but since no other machine allows resistance like this the potential to develop bigger biceps is increased. There is no cam on my prototype but it is easy to add
that feature. Not on my machine but on another one that I would design.
I have a design for a running machine that more gyms and clubs would love to have.
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Lmao^^
Unrecognized genius... :-\
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Lmao^^
Unrecognized genius... :-\
lol.
I must admit that I did not make the photoshop. I requested it from Ironmeister. ;D ;D
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Too bad dumbells exist...
According to him heavy freeweights are a waste of time and unnecessary. After all, his biceps destroy Arnolds ::)
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i would say the only exercise you need for direct biceps training would be pulley curls not only does it involve the whole biceps it also provides, unlike db and bb, constant tension to the muscle.
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i would say the only exercise you need for direct biceps training would be pulley curls not only does it involve the whole biceps it also provides, unlike db and bb, constant tension to the muscle.
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just stating facts here based on science.
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Basile's first Glute/bicep/rocket prototype demonstration
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Basile's 2nd prototype Moon rocket/bicep machine
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Would like to give Basile one of my patented knife-edge chops to the throat.
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Top notch gif! ;D ;D ;D
Props to Vince for being inventive and skilled. 8)
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Top notch gif! ;D ;D ;D
Props to Vince for being inventive and skilled. 8)
Nice roasted pork for Boxing day lunch :D
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Top notch gif! ;D ;D ;D
Props to Vince for being inventive and skilled. 8)
i requested the gif, and ironmeister did it for me. :D :D
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On a forum where a moderator is both gay and respected I wonder why some gimmicks keep trying to paint known individuals as being gay? Are people who do this high school pranksters, because
that kind of behaviour is rather pathetic and childish.
Back in 1970 I trained at Western Gym on Hastings Street in Vancouver. It was a primitive gym in a dark basement of a 'sports' club upstairs. Big Jim Forsythe was the manager then and he sure
was a funny guy. We used to go to the Ukrainian restaurant down the street to have meals. While waiting for our order we often tested our strength at arm wrestling. A month before the contest
I was 210 pounds and quite strong and had no trouble beating Jim over the table. We both entered the competition at the Mr Canada contest and I weighed only 190 pounds. There weren't many
entered and I was unlucky to meet the son of the inventor of an arm wrestling machine who really tested me and we had a very long, draining match that I eventually won. As it turned out
Jim and I were in the finals. We sat opposite on a small portable table and it was a stalemate when the referee let go of our joined hands. Big Jim had more mass and managed to get his leg around
the end of the table to give himself more leverage. People yelled out in the audience but the judge didn't notice anything and I ended up losing the match.
I didn't mind because I won plenty of trophies that night and Jim was a mate and I was happy for him. He would be the target of everyone in BC wanting to see if they could beat him!
When we caught up with each other in 2004 after 34 years it was fun reminiscing about the match. He had a copy of a photo taken of us and had it framed. So, naturally, I had to have the photo
you see here taken. I asked him about why he didn't hear people complaining about his 'cheating' during the match. He explained that he is hard of hearing in his right ear. I pointed out that it was
his left ear that was facing the audience!
Jim doesn't deserve to have his triumph demeaned by having his photo replaced by someone who wasn't there. So here is the original photo. ;D
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who would win between his arm wrestling machine and your bicep machine?
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who would win between his arm wrestling machine and your bicep machine?
The guy who invented the arm wrestling machine was Neil Lewis. He got me to demonstrate the machine at the contest and took some photos.
In return I was given one of those machines but since I left Canada months after winning the title I gave the machine to big Jim Forsythe.
It was a simple leverage device but was quite effective. I never did set it up and use it.
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Something like this Panatta machine? This is a good (read: mean) machine, though I prefer free weights.
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Something like this Panatta machine? This is a good (read: mean) machine, though I prefer free weights.
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The Panatta Arm machine has only one degree of freedom, namely flexion or curling. There is no supination possible or resistance for that degree of freedom.
In addition, I discovered that the supports behind the arms are not necessary and might even interfere with the movement in some individuals. Namely those
with large or thick arms. So I removed my supports that were adjustable in three directions and thus simplified my machine. I also have footrests in front of and
not under the seat of the user. I haven't tried that particular machine so I can't comment on the movement or how it feels, etc.
In the clearer photo below you can see one mistake in the design. You never put pads under the elbows! Why? Well, if the elbows rub against a pad with some
friction then damage to the sheath that runs over the joint can be damaged and that can be permanent. If you are going to include pads then they should be above
the elbow joint so that no contact can occur. This is also very important in triceps, and leg curl machines. The knees shouldn't contact pads, either.
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whatabout elbows on pads in the preacher curl machine? personally i never liked that feeling
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Great arm wrestling photo with Vince & Jim, very cool.
Yes, I was asking Vince B. about his schooling/training, but also glad Vince G. answered.
Vince G. is a great and very smart person himself... No H-Mo (on my part at least).
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Apparently in his hey Day Steve Reeves atached a Bar on an incline Bench so his arms never moved. The Bar was wide enough so there was no discumfort. He pronated during the curl. Another simple but not seen much is lying Dumbbell curls which is strict.. prefer free weights myself but i would like to try Vince´s Machine.
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whatabout elbows on pads in the preacher curl machine? personally i never liked that feeling
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This is a dangerous exercise. As the weight gets heavier the force on the elbows increases and damage can be done.
I have a couple of Nautilus Biceps machines and I have altered both of them by moving the pads back about 2 1/2 or 3 inches. This
improves the machine heaps because that moves the chest pad closer which fits just right for most people. This is a simple
adjustment but you need a welder.
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Apparently in his hey Day Steve Reeves atached a Bar on an incline Bench so his arms never moved. The Bar was wide enough so there was no discumfort. He pronated during the curl. Another simple but not seen much is lying Dumbbell curls which is strict.. prefer free weights myself but i would like to try Vince´s Machine.
The way Reeves did this exercise doesn't look very comfortable. Might be okay for light dumbbells.
When I was designing my biceps-supinator machine I considered all versions of biceps machines. There were three variations. Most had the user bend over the pads like in the photo of the guy doing a curl.
Then Nautilus had the user sit down and have his arms raised to shoulder level and perform the curl up high. They even made a version where the arms were besides the ears and that was superior
but not many guys used it. The last version was the seated one like the Panatta machine. That configuration allows the user to use the most weight so that is what I used. The next best is the angled version
and you are weakest when you arms are raised to your shoulders. Not sure why Nautilus settled on this version but it surely wasn't that effective as far as I am concerned.
Larry Scott used a curved bench and this helps keep the elbows from rubbing on the pads so is preferred to flat long supports.
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Vince what are your thoughts on the offset Grips Reeves used when using dumbbells? I believe he used them on flys too. He believed the offset grip supinated the hand naturally. he even loaded the bell so more weight was on the side closest to your thumb, other side against the inner plate on the small finger side.
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Vince what are your thoughts on the offset Grips Reeves used when using dumbbells? I believe he used them on flys too. He believed the offset grip supinated the hand naturally. he even loaded the bell so more weight was on the side closest to your thumb, other side against the inner plate on the small finger side.
Smart guy that Reeves. Yes, you can get resistance for the supinator muscles by holding dumbbells via the grips closer to the sides adjacent to your legs and not in the middle of the grips. Larry Scott showed us how to do these 'supination curls'. You start with the dumbbells facing each
other on your thighs. Then start curling them up slowly and turning them inward until your little fingers are higher than your thumbs. You have to achieve full supination before the dumbbells are half way up. He did the same thing on the Scott bench and
he claimed this helped make his biceps developed right to his elbows. You can make special dumbbells with wider than usual grips and that will make the supination part harder which is what you want. Or as you mentioned simply load more plates
on the side furthest away from your thumbs. Even 5 pounds will be enough to make it much harder to curl and supinate at the same time. Then add more plates to that far side as you get stronger.
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Smart guy that Reeves. Yes, you can get resistance for the supinator muscles by holding dumbbells via the grips closer to the sides adjacent to your legs and not in the middle of the grips. Larry Scott showed us how to do these 'supination curls'. You start with the dumbbells facing each
other on your thighs. Then start curling them up slowly and turning them inward until your little fingers are higher than your thumbs. You have to achieve full supination before the dumbbells are half way up. He did the same thing on the Scott bench and
he claimed this helped make his biceps developed right to his elbows. You can make special dumbbells with wider than usual grips and that will make the supination part harder which is what you want. Or as you mentioned simply load more plates
on the side furthest away from your thumbs. Even 5 pounds will be enough to make it much harder to curl and supinate at the same time. Then add more plates to that far side as you get stronger.
Yes thanks Vince.. just wanted your opinion.
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Just Google it for fun. Holy shit:
http://www.google.com/patents/US5413546
Greatest invention since the electric light. ;)
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;D ;D Got to say though ...Vince takes it on the chin... ;D
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I doubt there are many on Getbig who have patented any new device.
What usually happens when you invent something is you build a prototype. Then you try it out and then change things
on the next prototype. After several of these cycles of testing, designing and changing you get closer to a good mechanism.
I have simplified the machine and it is now user friendly. Even some of the dumbbells here could operate it without instructions.
good job Vince...proud of you
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Smart guy that Reeves. Yes, you can get resistance for the supinator muscles by holding dumbbells via the grips closer to the sides adjacent to your legs and not in the middle of the grips. Larry Scott showed us how to do these 'supination curls'. You start with the dumbbells facing each
other on your thighs. Then start curling them up slowly and turning them inward until your little fingers are higher than your thumbs. You have to achieve full supination before the dumbbells are half way up. He did the same thing on the Scott bench and
he claimed this helped make his biceps developed right to his elbows. You can make special dumbbells with wider than usual grips and that will make the supination part harder which is what you want. Or as you mentioned simply load more plates
on the side furthest away from your thumbs. Even 5 pounds will be enough to make it much harder to curl and supinate at the same time. Then add more plates to that far side as you get stronger.
How does one "supinate" the wrist and forearm "inwardly?"
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How does one "supinate" the wrist and forearm "inwardly?"
Here you go.
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Really guys, NAUTILUS perfected "machine curls" with their machine!!
Superset with Dumbell concentration curls, and BANG!!!!
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Here you go.
Looks to me that the wrist and forearm are being rotated laterally, or outwardly.
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Looks to me that the wrist and forearm are being rotated laterally, or outwardly.
Gosh, Eric, this isn't rocket science. Just do what the fellow in the video is doing but complete the supination when the dumbbells at waist high.
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Gosh, Eric, this isn't rocket science. Just do what the fellow in the video is doing but complete the supination when the dumbbells at waist high.
Even rocket science has to be accurately described, in order to launch rockets. You said "turning inward," several times in this thread, when "turning outward", laterally away from the body, would be the correct instruction for supination of the wrist and forearm.
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Even rocket science has to be accurately described, in order to launch rockets. You said "turning inward," several times in this thread, when "turning outward", laterally away from the body, would be the correct instruction for supination of the wrist and forearm.
Do not listen to Basile. He is an old, delusional moron, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. He has presented no evidence of this theory, then tells us we do not know what a "theory" is. At 70+, he is still chasing hypertrophy, instead of doing something meaningful with his life. Not to mention he rigged his Mr. Canada win.
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Do not listen to Basile. He is an old, delusional moron, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. He has presented no evidence of this theory, then tells us we do not know what a "theory" is. At 70+, he is still chasing hypertrophy, instead of doing something meaningful with his life. Not to mention he rigged his Mr. Canada win.
If that is true, then I, being new here, was unaware of his history. I was only pointing out what I saw as incorrect instructions being given out.
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If that is true, then I, being new here, was unaware of his history. I was only pointing out what I saw as incorrect instructions being given out.
He is andelusional idiot, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. When pressed to present evidence, he never does and just goes on and on. OMR called him out on this, and Basile got his panties in a bunch. It was pretty funny.
He is the ABSOLUTE last person you want to take training advice from.
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Do not listen to Basile. He is an old, delusional moron, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. He has presented no evidence of this theory, then tells us we do not know what a "theory" is. At 70+, he is still chasing hypertrophy, instead of doing something meaningful with his life. Not to mention he rigged his Mr. Canada win.
How did he do that?
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How did he do that?
He picked the judges. :-\ :-\
He wrote:
Yes, I shouldn't have picked the judges but I am totally honest about what happened. I didn't tell the judges what to do. Most of them I had never met before but knew them by reputation. I got Chuck's vote so that pleased me. Winners always feel they deserved to win.
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Do not listen to Basile. He is an old, delusional moron, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. He has presented no evidence of this theory, then tells us we do not know what a "theory" is. At 70+, he is still chasing hypertrophy, instead of doing something meaningful with his life. Not to mention he rigged his Mr. Canada win.
;D
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He picked the judges. :-\ :-\
He wrote:
Yes, I shouldn't have picked the judges but I am totally honest about what happened. I didn't tell the judges what to do. Most of them I had never met before but knew them by reputation. I got Chuck's vote so that pleased me. Winners always feel they deserved to win.
He was not placed at Paul Graham's Ifbb Mr.Australia '75 & mighty Arnold was judge ;D
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He was not placed at Paul Graham's Ifbb Mr.Australia '75 & mighty Arnold was judge ;D
Wonder if Basile has any bad feelings toward Arnold.
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Wonder if Basile has any bad feelings toward Arnold.
;D ;D ;D
(read Mr.Dohertys reply to Vincenzo ;D)
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Just for Vincenzo:
www.aca2015.com.au
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Even rocket science has to be accurately described, in order to launch rockets. You said "turning inward," several times in this thread, when "turning outward", laterally away from the body, would be the correct instruction for supination of the wrist and forearm.
If people here don't want to be helped what can I say?
Sit in a chair and put your hands on a keyboard. Your wrists are in a supinated position. Now turn your hands inwards and upwards and you now have the supinated position.
During a biceps curl you turn your hands first inwards and then upwards towards your shoulders.
Flexed arm in the pronated position (top); with the biceps partially contracted and in a supinated position with the biceps more fully contracted, approaching minimum length (bottom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biceps
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If people here don't want to be helped what can I say?
Sit in a chair and put your hands on a keyboard. Your wrists are in a supinated position. Now turn your hands inwards and upwards and you now have the supinated position.
During a biceps curl you turn your hands first inwards and then upwards towards your shoulders.
Flexed arm in the pronated position (top); with the biceps partially contracted and in a supinated position with the biceps more fully contracted, approaching minimum length (bottom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biceps
I'd like to try your machine Vince , the best biceps pump I've ever had was on this computerized machine
(http://www.fitnessmarkt.com/rest/image/file-0f8d4800-e557-4bf1-9272-65a7d8fd173a?size=ad-small)
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Yes, the LifeFitness electric machines were great. What a pity they didn't survive. I got a prototype of a non-working one from Paul Graham from the Expo in 1988 in Brisbane.
I kept the seat and armrest and pivoting mechanism and converted it to a cable driven, pin-loaded machine.
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If people here don't want to be helped what can I say?
Sit in a chair and put your hands on a keyboard. Your wrists are in a supinated position. Now turn your hands inwards and upwards and you now have the supinated position.
During a biceps curl you turn your hands first inwards and then upwards towards your shoulders.
Flexed arm in the pronated position (top); with the biceps partially contracted and in a supinated position with the biceps more fully contracted, approaching minimum length (bottom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biceps
Sitting in a chair and putting your hands on a keyboard, your wrists are in a PRONATED position. You can't turn your hands inward to the medial, as your thumbs are pointing at the medial already. In order to put your hands into the supinated position, you must turn your hands over outwardly, laterally, away from the medial, resulting in your thumbs pointing away from the body. Supination/Pronation movements of the wrist and forearm, have nothing to do with them moving towards, nor away, from the shoulder. You can (and do) Supinate and Pronate your wrist and forearms, even with your arms straight out. Holding your arms straight out, with your palms down and thumbs pointing inward, is Pronation. Turn your palms up and thumbs facing out, laterally away from the body, and they are now doing Supination. The photos are correct, but your description of how they got there are completely wrong.
Think I shall pass on trying your biceps machine.
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Sitting in a chair and putting your hands on a keyboard, your wrists are in a PRONATED position. You can't turn your hands inward to the medial, as your thumbs are pointing at the medial already. In order to put your hands into the supinated position, you must turn your hands over outwardly, laterally, away from the medial, resulting in your thumbs pointing away from the body. Supination/Pronation movements of the wrist and forearm, have nothing to do with them moving towards, nor away, from the shoulder. You can (and do) Supinate and Pronate your wrist and forearms, even with your arms straight out. Holding your arms straight out, with your palms down and thumbs pointing inward, is Pronation. Turn your palms up and thumbs facing out, laterally away from the body, and they are now doing Supination. The photos are correct, but your description of how they got there are completely wrong.
Think I shall pass on trying your biceps machine.
Rotate your hands upwards then whether that seems like outwards or inwards doesn't matter. I mean, I have never seen anyone try to do curls with rotating the hands other than upwards so I honestly can't see what the point is you are trying to make. The machine works and you have a variable resistance for both the curling movement and the twisting movement.
No one else can try my machine at the moment, anyway. It is simply not available to anyone else.
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Rotate your hands upwards then whether that seems like outwards or inwards doesn't matter. I mean, I have never seen anyone try to do curls with rotating the hands other than upwards so I honestly can't see what the point is you are trying to make. The machine works and you have a variable resistance for both the curling movement and the twisting movement.
No one else can try my machine at the moment, anyway. It is simply not available to anyone else.
Thank goodness for that!!!
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Imagine what Arnold could have done with access to Vince's mousetrap. Probably woulda won a Sandow or two if he'd only brought up those supination-deficient spaghetti strands of his.
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Imagine what Arnold could have done with access to Vince's mousetrap? Probably woulda won a Sandow or two if he'd only brought up those supination-deficient spaghetti strands of his.
:) :D ;D 8)
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Paul Graham's son was assigned a job to fix a machine in the family gym at Bondi Beach. At one point things were stuck so he asked Paul what to do.
Paul told him to get a hammer. When the lad did as his dad told him he found that the hammer didn't solve the problem and gave up after bashing away. So he went back to Paul
and asked him what to do. He was told to get a bigger hammer!
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Vince Basil's revolutionary bicep supinator machine would have graced us 10 years earlier but while in its planning and building stage the local scrap man upon sighting it in vinces yard kept mistaking it for a pile of scrap metal and hauling it away on the back of his wagon to weigh it in for scrap.
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Overly complicated
Sales zero
Science unfounded
Own results nil
Patronising at 100 percent
Great thread shit machine
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It's nice that he has something.
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;D ;D Got to say though ...Vince takes it on the chin... ;D
Would love to take it on the chin from you, stud.
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Overly complicated
Sales zero
Science unfounded
Own results nil
Patronising at 100 percent
Great thread shit machine
What a nasty ignorant asshole you truly are.
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What a nasty ignorant asshole you truly are.
Truth hurts.
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Rotate your hands upwards then whether that seems like outwards or inwards doesn't matter. I mean, I have never seen anyone try to do curls with rotating the hands other than upwards so I honestly can't see what the point is you are trying to make. The machine works and you have a variable resistance for both the curling movement and the twisting movement.
No one else can try my machine at the moment, anyway. It is simply not available to anyone else.
My point is that your description of supination was wrong, and therefore didn't make any sense.
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Overly complicated
Sales zero
Science unfounded
Own results nil
Patronising at 100 percent
Great thread shit machine
ouch ;D
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(http://i57.tinypic.com/2hd60ib.jpg)
hi vince
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(http://i57.tinypic.com/2hd60ib.jpg)
hi vince
HOLY SHIT!!!!!......LMFAO.....I almost shit my pants laughing at this!
Good Job
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Vince does not even understand the most basic terms of functional anatomy.