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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/25/why-george-w-bush-never-left-d-c-until-the-day-after-christmas/
"We never left Washington, D.C., until the day after Christmas. Never. Mr. Bush and his wife, Laura, would always depart the White House a few days before the holiday and hunker down at Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland,”
“I still remember what she said,” Curl wrote. “’So all of us can be with our families on Christmas.’”
“Who was ‘us’? Hundreds and hundreds of people, that’s who. Sure, the reporters who covered the president, but also dozens and dozens on his staff, 100 Secret Service agents, maybe more, and all of those city cops required whenever the president’s on the move in D.C.,” Curl added in his column.
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George W Bush wins again.
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Legit!
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These libs are forced to spend time at a Hawaiian resort, how brutal ::)
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George rules, Obama admin are tools...
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George rules, Obama admin are tools...
I actually respect much of the character of GW Bush.
I'd rather go to a game with Bush then Obama.
Jimmy Carter was one of the most decent, honorable to serve as President but he was ineffective in that job.
GW Bush wasn't an effective President and economy tanked under his watch.
Before Bush left office the Dow Jones avg was half of what it is today.
Gas prices soared to double what they right now.
Bush seems like a good dude and I like him as a person more then Obama.
BUT, when you look at all the hard data, Bush was NOT a very effective President.
To use a BB example, I met Dexter a few times over the years at various shows and expos.
He always came across as this aloof, douchebag who didn't enjoy interacting with fans like me.
Plenty of other lower placing pros were really cool guys and I enjoyed my 2 min time spent meeting them.
I'd much rather workout with Bob Chick then Dexter Jackson for example
Obama like Dexter can seem like a douchebag , but his actual contest record is impressive.
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yuletide agoraphobia ???
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I actually respect much of the character of GW Bush.
I'd rather go to a game with Bush then Obama.
Jimmy Carter was one of the most decent, honorable to serve as President but he was ineffective in that job.
GW Bush wasn't an effective President and economy tanked under his watch.
Before Bush left office the Dow Jones avg was half of what it is today.
Gas prices soared to double what they right now.
Bush seems like a good dude and I like him as a person more then Obama.
BUT, when you look at all the hard data, Bush was NOT a very effective President.
To use a BB example, I met Dexter a few times over the years at various shows and expos.
He always came across as this aloof, douchebag who didn't enjoy interacting with fans like me.
Plenty of other lower placing pros were really cool guys and I enjoyed my 2 min time spent meeting them.
I'd much rather workout with Bob Chick then Dexter Jackson for example
Obama like Dexter can seem like a douchebag , but his actual contest record is impressive.
Good point
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GW Bush wasn't an effective President and economy tanked under his watch.
Before Bush left office the Dow Jones avg was half of what it is today.
Gas prices soared to double what they right now.
Bush seems like a good dude and I like him as a person more then Obama.
BUT, when you look at all the hard data, Bush was NOT a very effective President.
depends on what you consider "hard data".
Bush didnt really do anything to sink the economy. There wasnt much anyone could do at that point in time to side step the impending shit storm.
Bush's actions after the collapse actually saved the economy a lot more pain and suffering.
what actions do you think obama has taken to take the DOW or SP to all time heights?
What actions do you think bush took to cut them?
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Before Bush left office the Dow Jones avg was half of what it is today.
Gas prices soared to double what they right now.
Dow isn't indicative of economic health. Check the unemployment rate, welfare programs, and population that has left the workforce entirely.
Oil prices have skyrocketed under the Obama administration. Obama refuses US development, implements restrictive regulation controls for fracing, and does not have a long term plan for energy infrastructure in the US. In fact he has invested government money in failed bankrupt energy alternative businesses. To sum things up, the low prices of today are the result of market driven forces and are not the result of any Obama policy.
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Good point
LMFAO Howard when you have this uneducated idiot agreeing with you, its usually a bad thing....
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They're all lying bastards and none of them give a fuck about you. Comparing presidents is like debating which of the devil's horns is shorter. Representative democracy is a sham.
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They're all lying bastards and none of them give a fuck about you. Comparing presidents is like debating which of the devil's horns is shorter. Representative democracy is a sham.
X1000
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Dow isn't indicative of economic health. Check the unemployment rate, welfare programs, and population that has left the workforce entirely.
Oil prices have skyrocketed under the Obama administration. Obama refuses US development, implements restrictive regulation controls for fracing, and does not have a long term plan for energy infrastructure in the US. In fact he has invested government money in failed bankrupt energy alternative businesses. To sum things up, the low prices of today are the result of market driven forces and are not the result of any Obama policy.
Low oil prices now, are the result of Saudi Arabia increasing their oil output. No other reason. Why they did it is simple. Earlier in the year they sold off their oil related shares of stock. Now, because of their actions, both the price of oil and oil related stocks have tanked. So they are buying up oil related stocks right now, and when they cut their oil production again, their oil and oil related stocks go up in price considerably, as in hundreds of billions of US dollars, over night. Win win situation for the Saudis, as it is totally under their control. Their timing is good for Obama, too. Lower gas prices make him look good. It pays for an American President to bow to the King of Saudi Arabia, if that President lacks any integrity and/or self respect.
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George Bush is a legendary artist - too bad he had to delve into politics due to internal, paternal pressure.
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It's still early in the 21st century but bushcheney are still holding the lead in the race for "Biggest mass murderers of the Century."
Will they win the title? Stay tuned people...
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LMFAO Howard when you have this uneducated idiot agreeing with you, its usually a bad thing....
he said something that was true and I conceded to the point he made......thinking you know everything is not good...it turns people off....especially when you are consistently wrong like you are....
in Buddhism we have a saying:
"A fool who does not know that he is a fool is certainly a fool...but a fool who knows he is a fool is a wise man indeed"
sounds like you
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depends on what you consider "hard data".
Bush didnt really do anything to sink the economy. There wasnt much anyone could do at that point in time to side step the impending shit storm.
Bush's actions after the collapse actually saved the economy a lot more pain and suffering.
what actions do you think obama has taken to take the DOW or SP to all time heights?
What actions do you think bush took to cut them?
Yep... I'm in 100% agreement..... Bush tried to put th brakes on the GSE's that were instrumental in creating the housing bubble, but he was rebuffed by Barney Fwank and the rest of Congress. It was probably too late even by then, though...
Although there are some who think mark to market accounting turned the housing bubble from a problem into a nuclear explosion
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Dumb fucks forgetting history and what a total disaster bush was. Love how people are deflecting blame from him. Fact is he was a puppet that allowed Cheney and Rumsfeld to do what they wanted
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When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was strong, and we weren't involved in an active war. We weren't great or in a perfect way, but American life was good.....unless you were a Rush Limbaugh sheep.....
In comes GW, and down goes the U.S. Trying to avenge Daddy's Iraqi fuck up, under the lie of looking for those still to be found WMDs, George "War Criminal" Bush sent many American and Iraqi young men and women to an early grave.....for nothing Our economy still has not recovered.....and never will, short of a major change to our broken system.
And to the original question? My guess would be because he was too stupid to find the exit....
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Here the problem in it's self, were bushes choices proactive or preactive leading up to and after the bank and housing bust. Was it due to the Feds and inflation or not engough regulation by congress? Was it from bush era policies or Clintons? The Goverment is so complex it's very hard to pinpoint.
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I actually respect much of the character of GW Bush.
I'd rather go to a game with Bush then Obama.
Jimmy Carter was one of the most decent, honorable to serve as President but he was ineffective in that job.
GW Bush wasn't an effective President and economy tanked under his watch.
Before Bush left office the Dow Jones avg was half of what it is today.
Gas prices soared to double what they right now.
Bush seems like a good dude and I like him as a person more then Obama.
BUT, when you look at all the hard data, Bush was NOT a very effective President.
To use a BB example, I met Dexter a few times over the years at various shows and expos.
He always came across as this aloof, douchebag who didn't enjoy interacting with fans like me.
Plenty of other lower placing pros were really cool guys and I enjoyed my 2 min time spent meeting them.
I'd much rather workout with Bob Chick then Dexter Jackson for example
Obama like Dexter can seem like a douchebag , but his actual contest record is impressive.
Are you suggesting Obama has an impressive record as President? What do you find most impressive about him?
1. An inflated stock market from repeated QE programs that don't work and will lead to an inevitable crash.
2. His lies about Obama Care designed the fleece Americans and raise their premiums.
3. His signing of the National Defense Authorization Act allowing the indefinite detention of American citizens without due process.
4. His increasing of the national debt from $10.626 trillion to over $18 trillion and counting.
5. Over 47 million Americans on the food stamp program, with 50% of the population on some form of social assistance.
6. The lowest labor participation rate since 1978.
7. His penchant for coffee cup salutes.
On second thought, he has been busy hasn't he? Just like all the other empty suit con artists that were in office before him. Things keep going, you'll be begging to have Jimmy Carter back.
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Bush's actions after the collapse actually saved the economy a lot more pain and suffering.
You could argue that for 2001. He inherited a lot of CLinton shit then 9/11 happened.
The 2007/2008 collapsing - that was the USA after 6 years of Bush policy. He gets credit/blame.
Obama is 6 years into his presidency. He's doing fine now, things improving BUT if we face another huge recession in the next 25 months that Obama is in office, it'll be Obama to blame.
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You could argue that for 2001. He inherited a lot of CLinton shit then 9/11 happened.
The 2007/2008 collapsing - that was the USA after 6 years of Bush policy. He gets credit/blame.
Obama is 6 years into his presidency. He's doing fine now, things improving BUT if we face another huge recession in the next 25 months that Obama is in office, it'll be Obama to blame.
lmfao ok what did bush to do cause the collapse?
he said something that was true and I conceded to the point he made......thinking you know everything is not good...it turns people off....especially when you are consistently wrong like you are....
in Buddhism we have a saying:
"A fool who does not know that he is a fool is certainly a fool...but a fool who knows he is a fool is a wise man indeed"
sounds like you
andre, you can chime in too. What did bush do to cause the collapse?
what could he have done to prevent it?
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lmfao ok what did bush to do cause the collapse?
andre, you can chime in too. What did bush do to cause the collapse?
??? Dude, once a president is 6 years into office, the state of the economy is THEIR credit, or their blame.
They have veto power (which he never chose to use on any spending in his presidency, rubber stamping them all)
Here are 5 pretty good reasons we can credit/blame bush for the collapse - Imagine the better shape 2008 would have been if Bush would have helped homeowners AND NOT THE BANKS. Imagine if he regulated that bullshit house of cards that lehman and others were giving the financial world. imagine if he had made the 2 wars smaller - OR ACCEPTED HELP FROM OTHER COUNTRIES (he wouldn't relinquish control). See, the "saving banks, letting homeowners sink in an unregulated banking industry" alone should be enough for your to agree.
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street executive during the Bush administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing bubble and allowed financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush eliminated the rules that allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation into the Great Recession.
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts — over 50 percent of which benefited the richest 5 percent of American taxpayers — cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade after they were enacted. Ten years later, Bush’s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the national debt:
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the country trillions of dollars. Combined with Bush’s tax cuts, war spending was a main factor in blowing up the deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now use the deficit as an excuse for inaction.
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks in the wake of the housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners. Hope For Homeowners, Bush’s proposal to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in its first six months, it helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders — 15.7 million or, one in three — are still underwater today.
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective bargaining rights under the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department of Labor throughout his time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while workers’ incomes are falling.
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When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was strong, and we weren't involved in an active war. We weren't great or in a perfect way, but American life was good.....unless you were a Rush Limbaugh sheep.....
In comes GW, and down goes the U.S. Trying to avenge Daddy's Iraqi fuck up, under the lie of looking for those still to be found WMDs, George "War Criminal" Bush sent many American and Iraqi young men and women to an early grave.....for nothing Our economy still has not recovered.....and never will, short of a major change to our broken system.
And to the original question? My guess would be because he was too stupid to find the exit....
Ok deacon
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lol at thinking a president is responsible for anything that happen when he s in power. He s just a representative, a marketer, spokeperson in a suit, nothing more.
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lol at thinking a president is responsible for anything that happen when he s in power. He s just a representative, a marketer, spokeperson in a suit, nothing more.
Sure, so the hundreds of millions to billions that corporations pay to elect them into office is just for fun.
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lmfao ok what did bush to do cause the collapse?
andre, you can chime in too. What did bush do to cause the collapse?
what could he have done to prevent it?
I was a Bush supporter which is why I don't criticize him as bad as others do....I thought he was an excellent leader right after 9/11 leading us into the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban....In hindsight people say he should not have disbanded saddham's army and that's what lead to al Qaeda rising up..but I don't blame him for that because I'm sure that /Saddham's army may have risen up and made attempts to take the country back after we left....
The thing that Bush did that was disastrous was giving us three straight years of tax cuts that we didn't need which ended up pushing the deficit back up..the country was already prosperous after Clinton and the internet .com boom.....also he did something wonderful with the drug prescription bill for seniors......but that also pushed the deficit up even more....then on top of that, the two unfunded wars......and you can argue that the Iraqi war was unnecessary.....although I don't want to be hypocritical because I supported removing saddham and his sons......
so,,the two unfunded wars......the huge unfunded drug prescription bill for seniors.....and the three years of tax cuts we did not need....that bloated the deficit.....we spent two trillion dollars on those wars and are still spending and paying interest on those loans....We were already in full blown recession when Obama took office...and so was the entire world with the exception of china
also you can argue that the housing bubble with all the fraud and bad loans which triggered the recession were on his watch as well
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I live in waikiki five mins from the hotel they are staying at.
They don't seem too upset and I'm sure plenty of them are screwing each other's brains out right now.
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Low oil prices now, are the result of Saudi Arabia increasing their oil output. No other reason. Why they did it is simple. Earlier in the year they sold off their oil related shares of stock. Now, because of their actions, both the price of oil and oil related stocks have tanked. So they are buying up oil related stocks right now, and when they cut their oil production again, their oil and oil related stocks go up in price considerably, as in hundreds of billions of US dollars, over night. Win win situation for the Saudis, as it is totally under their control. Their timing is good for Obama, too. Lower gas prices make him look good. It pays for an American President to bow to the King of Saudi Arabia, if that President lacks any integrity and/or self respect.
US economy is extremely oil dependent. This has massive consequences: wars, corruption, supporting extremist regimes like the Saudi's, pollution, climate change etc. Gas guzzlin V8's come with a price....
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Interesting to read how draft dodger Bush jr was so considerate of American families at Xmas, yet he had no problem sending thousands of Americans to their deaths in pointless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. His great grand children too will still be paying for those wars by the way.
Killing Saddam and his sons could have been done by dropping 10 very large bombs in the right places. Yes I know, under US law apparently it's not allowed to kill a foreign head of state, but I'm sure there would have been a cunning way around that abstacle. By letting an ally drop the ordnance for example.
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Low oil prices now, are the result of Saudi Arabia increasing their oil output. No other reason. Why they did it is simple. Earlier in the year they sold off their oil related shares of stock. Now, because of their actions, both the price of oil and oil related stocks have tanked. So they are buying up oil related stocks right now, and when they cut their oil production again, their oil and oil related stocks go up in price considerably, as in hundreds of billions of US dollars, over night. Win win situation for the Saudis, as it is totally under their control. Their timing is good for Obama, too. Lower gas prices make him look good. It pays for an American President to bow to the King of Saudi Arabia, if that President lacks any integrity and/or self respect.
Lol, not the case at all for many reasons!! I'll briefly go over one of the main reasons which boils down to market share. First, SA knows that it made the biggest mistake of it's existence in the 1980s when it cut back production as a result of a price decline. What those two reasons signify is that SA allowing a price drop can maintain its market share by just keeping production at the usual 30 million barrels a day and not taking a chance of decreasing output and risking an even steeper price drop that occurred in the 80's which would result in OPEC losing a large market share.
Second, on top of not repeating mistakes that made it lose market share, there is ("was") a boom in "tight oil" production in Texas and North Dakota. letting prices ease it makes it harder (more expensive) on the US producers to extract oil from shale formations. Many smaller companies are starting to fold production. It's great for producers when oil is between $75-95 anything under hurts the bottom line and anything over causes the legislators to get involved.
Thinking it is good for a president to bow to a king is laughable as it shows no integrity or self respect. But it does show a beta kiss ass community organizer that has never been involved in running a business for profit.
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US economy is extremely oil dependent. This has massive consequences: wars, corruption, supporting extremist regimes like the Saudi's, pollution, climate change etc. Gas guzzlin V8's come with a price....
US has more reserves than any country on the planet. It's incredible the amount of oil we are beginning to contribute for ourselves but it is nowhere near the amount we demand, yet. Horizontal drilling and fracing are helping, Obama's policies are hindering the industry. But we should preserve nature and there are still many questions as to the chemicals companies are using in their fracing production.
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Lol, not the case at all for many reasons!! I'll briefly go over one of the main reasons which boils down to market share. First, SA knows that it made the biggest mistake of it's existence in the 1980s when it cut back production as a result of a price decline. What those two reasons signify is that SA allowing a price drop can maintain its market share by just keeping production at the usual 30 million barrels a day and not taking a chance of decreasing output and risking an even steeper price drop that occurred in the 80's which would result in OPEC losing a large market share.
Second, on top of not repeating mistakes that made it lose market share, there is ("was") a boom in "tight oil" production in Texas and North Dakota. letting prices ease it makes it harder (more expensive) on the US producers to extract oil from shale formations. Many smaller companies are starting to fold production. It's great for producers when oil is between $75-95 anything under hurts the bottom line and anything over causes the legislators to get involved.
Thinking it is good for a president to bow to a king is laughable as it shows no integrity or self respect. But it does show a beta kiss ass community organizer that has never been involved in running a business for profit.
Saudi Arabia is expanding it's market share by buying shares in every oil (or energy) company on Earth, and at bargain prices right now. Owning of piece of every oil supply, expands their market share, and the oil supply under their control. When they again cut their oil supply, and that will happen sooner than later, the price of oil will rise again, and so will the prices of shares of stock in all the oil and energy related companies that they've been able to by up at cheap prices. It's a "no brainer." Oil and energy related stocks will be the big winners for investors in 2015.
I didn't say bowing to the king of SA was a good thing. Just good for Obama, as he has done everything to hinder energy production for the USA. He'll get paid later, by the Saudis and other middle eastern oil countries, for his help.
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??? Dude, once a president is 6 years into office, the state of the economy is THEIR credit, or their blame.
They have veto power (which he never chose to use on any spending in his presidency, rubber stamping them all)
Here are 5 pretty good reasons we can credit/blame bush for the collapse - Imagine the better shape 2008 would have been if Bush would have helped homeowners AND NOT THE BANKS. Imagine if he regulated that bullshit house of cards that lehman and others were giving the financial world. imagine if he had made the 2 wars smaller - OR ACCEPTED HELP FROM OTHER COUNTRIES (he wouldn't relinquish control). See, the "saving banks, letting homeowners sink in an unregulated banking industry" alone should be enough for your to agree.
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street executive during the Bush administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing bubble and allowed financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush eliminated the rules that allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation into the Great Recession.
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts — over 50 percent of which benefited the richest 5 percent of American taxpayers — cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade after they were enacted. Ten years later, Bush’s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the national debt:
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the country trillions of dollars. Combined with Bush’s tax cuts, war spending was a main factor in blowing up the deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now use the deficit as an excuse for inaction.
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks in the wake of the housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners. Hope For Homeowners, Bush’s proposal to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in its first six months, it helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders — 15.7 million or, one in three — are still underwater today.
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective bargaining rights under the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department of Labor throughout his time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while workers’ incomes are falling.
first let me link your progressive talking points...
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/14/499523/5-reasons-americans-are-right-to-blame-bush-for-the-bad-economy/
Next "saving banks" was a shit sandwich that had to be eaten. You have no idea how bad the economy would have been had he not acted to bail out the banks. Whats funny is that obama actually signed the bill, bush just got it started.
1. LMFAO what bills did he pass that led to the economic collapse moron.
2. Tax cuts go towards overall debt which didnt have an effect on the shit storm that hit us.
3. Again this goes towards debt which didnt have an effect on the shit storn that hit us.
4. As stated this was a necissity and the economy would have been much worse if he didnt help pass this legislation even though obama signed it.
5. Really, weakening unions is what your standing by 240? and wouldnt record profits be on obamas watch according to your kindergarden logic?
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Lol, not the case at all for many reasons!! I'll briefly go over one of the main reasons which boils down to market share. First, SA knows that it made the biggest mistake of it's existence in the 1980s when it cut back production as a result of a price decline. What those two reasons signify is that SA allowing a price drop can maintain its market share by just keeping production at the usual 30 million barrels a day and not taking a chance of decreasing output and risking an even steeper price drop that occurred in the 80's which would result in OPEC losing a large market share.
Second, on top of not repeating mistakes that made it lose market share, there is ("was") a boom in "tight oil" production in Texas and North Dakota. letting prices ease it makes it harder (more expensive) on the US producers to extract oil from shale formations. Many smaller companies are starting to fold production. It's great for producers when oil is between $75-95 anything under hurts the bottom line and anything over causes the legislators to get involved.
Thinking it is good for a president to bow to a king is laughable as it shows no integrity or self respect. But it does show a beta kiss ass community organizer that has never been involved in running a business for profit.
This is a pretty good synopsis. SA lost a good amount of market share in the 80's when they cut prices. They have decided to not and yes America will blink first. We are already seeing a pull back in CapEx by upstream companies. A number of projects have been put on hold as a result of the drop in oil prices. Winter often times makes it even more expensive for upstream companies as they are drilling through frozen ground so there will be a reduction in supply by us in the near future.
You have already seen a number of M&A activity and rumblings of others (Repsol/Talisman), Kinder will be targeting smaller MLPs to help keep their distributions going etc.
This will shake out the people who probably shouldnt be there or just got in and unfortunately havent achieved the efficiency need to sustain themselves with prices below $90 or so.
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Saudi Arabia is expanding it's market share by buying shares in every oil (or energy) company on Earth, and at bargain prices right now. Owning of piece of every oil supply, expands their market share, and the oil supply under their control. When they again cut their oil supply, and that will happen sooner than later, the price of oil will rise again, and so will the prices of shares of stock in all the oil and energy related companies that they've been able to by up at cheap prices. It's a "no brainer." Oil and energy related stocks will be the big winners for investors in 2015.
I didn't say bowing to the king of SA was a good thing. Just good for Obama, as he has done everything to hinder energy production for the USA. He'll get paid later, by the Saudis and other middle eastern oil countries, for his help.
what companies are they buying and under what entity are they buying them?
I watch a number of energy companies closely on a daily basis and I havent seen or heard of these in any of the positions being created in any of those I watch.
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When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was strong, and we weren't involved in an active war. We weren't great or in a perfect way, but American life was good.....unless you were a Rush Limbaugh sheep.....
In comes GW, and down goes the U.S. Trying to avenge Daddy's Iraqi fuck up, under the lie of looking for those still to be found WMDs, George "War Criminal" Bush sent many American and Iraqi young men and women to an early grave.....for nothing Our economy still has not recovered.....and never will, short of a major change to our broken system.
And to the original question? My guess would be because he was too stupid to find the exit....
Wrong on all points...
The economy was either in a recession or sliding into a recession as Bush took office (some peg the start at march 2000..others January 2001).
We were involved in a war with Al Qaeda and like minded extremists when Bush took office....Khobar towers in 1996...Embassy bombings in Africa in 1998...USS Cole bombing in 2000. Clinton and his administration didn't want to treat this war as a war, preferring to take to the naïve view that they were "criminal attacks"....in fact he did NOTHING in response to the Cole bombing.
There were WMD's in Iraq...Americans were injured by them during the Iraq war....just ask the New York Times.
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Next "saving banks" was a shit sandwich that had to be eaten. You have no idea how bad the economy would have been had he not acted to bail out the banks. Whats funny is that obama actually signed the bill, bush just got it started.
Sorry, I'll stop you right there. No. I disagree. And a lot of republicans disagree with you too.
Bush gave the banks 7 years of minimal regulation - they were running all sorts of shady shit, letting people borrow more than they knew they could repay, selling all sorts of shady packages, moving debt so it never counted, etc.
THEN the banks decided they were too big to fail, and BUSH gave them hundreds of billion in bailouts. Obama did a ONE TIME stim bill for what, 787 billion? BUT BUT BUT as you'll recall from getbig, Bush issued over THREE TRILLION in bailouts during his terms. Obama did the big one that everyone yelled about but bush gave MUCH MORE $$$, in smaller installments.
So I'm sorry you can't see this, I'm sorry you are the one person on getbig that still believes obama was born in hawaii too :(
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Regardless of what anyone thinks of Bush's politics, the dude was steady as a rock. Even though he's an obvious sociopath(as most successful politicians are) the guy seems like a loyal bloke to all his friends...
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Sorry, I'll stop you right there. No. I disagree. And a lot of republicans disagree with you too.
Bush gave the banks 7 years of minimal regulation - they were running all sorts of shady shit, letting people borrow more than they knew they could repay, selling all sorts of shady packages, moving debt so it never counted, etc.
THEN the banks decided they were too big to fail, and BUSH gave them hundreds of billion in bailouts. Obama did a ONE TIME stim bill for what, 787 billion? BUT BUT BUT as you'll recall from getbig, Bush issued over THREE TRILLION in bailouts during his terms. Obama did the big one that everyone yelled about but bush gave MUCH MORE $$$, in smaller installments.
So I'm sorry you can't see this, I'm sorry you are the one person on getbig that still believes obama was born in hawaii too :(
The government MADE MONEY on the "Bank bailouts"....the government lost it's ass...to the tune of 10 billion...bailing out GM.
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Sorry, I'll stop you right there. No. I disagree. And a lot of republicans disagree with you too.
Bush gave the banks 7 years of minimal regulation - they were running all sorts of shady shit, letting people borrow more than they knew they could repay, selling all sorts of shady packages, moving debt so it never counted, etc.
THEN the banks decided they were too big to fail, and BUSH gave them hundreds of billion in bailouts. Obama did a ONE TIME stim bill for what, 787 billion? BUT BUT BUT as you'll recall from getbig, Bush issued over THREE TRILLION in bailouts during his terms. Obama did the big one that everyone yelled about but bush gave MUCH MORE $$$, in smaller installments.
So I'm sorry you can't see this, I'm sorry you are the one person on getbig that still believes obama was born in hawaii too :(
so again I ask since you didnt answer or find a cut and paste, what regulation did bush do away with that led to the economic collapse?
so lets get you on the record here, the issue of the housing crisis started, developed and ended with bush in office?
You do remember that the republicans brought this to everyones attention prior to the housing crisis?
you do realize that the economy would have been a lot worse if the banks collapsed right?
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bush was cheneys mouthpiece a terrible one at that
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bush was cheneys mouthpiece a terrible one at that
if bush was choosen to be anyones "mouth piece" they did a shitty job of selecting one lol
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??? Dude, once a president is 6 years into office, the state of the economy is THEIR credit, or their blame.
They have veto power (which he never chose to use on any spending in his presidency, rubber stamping them all)
Here are 5 pretty good reasons we can credit/blame bush for the collapse - Imagine the better shape 2008 would have been if Bush would have helped homeowners AND NOT THE BANKS. Imagine if he regulated that bullshit house of cards that lehman and others were giving the financial world. imagine if he had made the 2 wars smaller - OR ACCEPTED HELP FROM OTHER COUNTRIES (he wouldn't relinquish control). See, the "saving banks, letting homeowners sink in an unregulated banking industry" alone should be enough for your to agree.
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street executive during the Bush administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing bubble and allowed financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush eliminated the rules that allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation into the Great Recession.
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts — over 50 percent of which benefited the richest 5 percent of American taxpayers — cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade after they were enacted. Ten years later, Bush’s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the national debt:
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the country trillions of dollars. Combined with Bush’s tax cuts, war spending was a main factor in blowing up the deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now use the deficit as an excuse for inaction.
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks in the wake of the housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners. Hope For Homeowners, Bush’s proposal to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in its first six months, it helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders — 15.7 million or, one in three — are still underwater today.
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective bargaining rights under the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department of Labor throughout his time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while workers’ incomes are falling.
Also changed the Bankruptcy laws in 2005 favoring corporations.
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When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was strong, and we weren't involved in an active war. We weren't great or in a perfect way, but American life was good.....unless you were a Rush Limbaugh sheep.....
In comes GW, and down goes the U.S. Trying to avenge Daddy's Iraqi fuck up, under the lie of looking for those still to be found WMDs, George "War Criminal" Bush sent many American and Iraqi young men and women to an early grave.....for nothing Our economy still has not recovered.....and never will, short of a major change to our broken system.
And to the original question? My guess would be because he was too stupid to find the exit....
Excellent points..
QFT
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depends on what you consider "hard data".
Bush didnt really do anything to sink the economy. There wasnt much anyone could do at that point in time to side step the impending shit storm.
Bush's actions after the collapse actually saved the economy a lot more pain and suffering.
what actions do you think obama has taken to take the DOW or SP to all time heights?
What actions do you think bush took to cut them?
You can get lost in the weeds when doing that.
The only objective thing to do is look at what actually happens under their watch.
Same with a head coach in any sport.
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It's still early in the 21st century but bushcheney are still holding the lead in the race for "Biggest mass murderers of the Century."
Will they win the title? Stay tuned people...
C'mon now, get real. ::)
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Excellent points..
QFT
No...none of that is/was true.
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Interesting to read how draft dodger Bush jr was so considerate of American families at Xmas, yet he had no problem sending thousands of Americans to their deaths in pointless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. His great grand children too will still be paying for those wars by the way.
Killing Saddam and his sons could have been done by dropping 10 very large bombs in the right places. Yes I know, under US law apparently it's not allowed to kill a foreign head of state, but I'm sure there would have been a cunning way around that abstacle. By letting an ally drop the ordnance for example.
Bush got Saddam and Obama got UBL. Win for both Presidents and the world.
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Bush got Saddam and Obama got UBL. Win for both Presidents and the world.
Yes, the world is certainly a safer place thanks to these two men.
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No...none of that is/was true.
Actually, all of it is/was true, and then some......
How many young American men came home from Iraq/Afghanistan in body bags under the war(s) started by George "War Monger" Bush? The answer is: A lot. All for "Iraqi freedom?" These young men and women gave their lives to fight the Bush family grudge and died for it.....
Guaranteed that none of those kids in Arlington are even remotely close to being related to a Bush, Cheney, or any other pussy pulling the strings behind a cowardly curtain of bullshit freedom..... I wonder how the families of those killed now feel after many holidays of their son, father, brother, or friend not being alive just so Fucking little Mohammed in Baghdad can now read a sentence in school. Well worth a life, right?
(https://coffeeforclosers.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wanted-george-bush.jpg)
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No..none of it is/was true. As I pointed out earlier...as Bush took office the economy was either in or heading into a recession. Al Qaeda was at war with us...9/11 forced us to realize that. And there were WMD's in Iraq...for whatever reason, the pentagon and White house made a political decision to not publicize the injuries suffered by US troops resulting from chemical weapons.
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Bush got Saddam and Obama got UBL. Win for both Presidents and the world.
LOL...... Your brain squeaks from being washed for so long.
That "win" came at the expense of many American lives, and our economy. I'm sure GW sleeps well knowing he put thousands of people in graves just to get that all important check mark in the win column.
The "world" you refer to, views Bush, Obama, and the entire U.S. the way you and your way of thinking viewed Sadaam Hussein and Bin Laden.
That same world would applaud way louder if Bush (any one of them) or Obama were to get assassinated.
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No..none of it is/was true. As I pointed out earlier...as Bush took office the economy was either in or heading into a recession. Al Qaeda was at war with us...9/11 forced us to realize that. And there were WMD's in Iraq...for whatever reason, the pentagon and White house made a political decision to not publicize the injuries suffered by US troops resulting from chemical weapons.
How was Al Queda at war with us? Were they invading your town....killing all its' citizens, blowing up buildings, etc.? Oh, that was us.....my bad.
9/11 was a response to the U.S. sticking its unwanted nose in every other country's business. They cannot fight us military-wise, so they pick and choose where to strike. Nobody likes a bully, and when people have enough of that bully, they retaliate. And they will continue to do so until we get the fuck out and mind our own fucking business.....
They only WMDs in Iraq were our troops. If they found anything bigger than an M80, you bet the press would be publishing it. They kept it a secret, huh? Did Rush Limbaugh say that, too? Hahahaha....
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Thank you Bush for killing thousands of our brave men and women.
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Thank you Bush for killing thousands of our brave men and women.
Don't forget about all the thousands of innocent men, women, and children of Iraq and Afghanistan that were slaughtered, too. Most of them died for absolutely nothing. They weren't fighting anyone....just trying to live out their lives.
I guess that's what Bush Jr. meant with the term Iraqi Freedom...he was freeing them from the burden of being alive. Thanks for making that choice for them, G.W. Now go back to talking to the guy in the sky, you gutless chimp.......
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Thank you Bush for killing thousands of our brave men and women.
these people enlisted willingly to get paid and because they were of no use in society otherwise, soldiers are mercenaries, dying is part of the job. When you intend to kill people, you know there s a risk they ll want to kill you too. If you dont want to die in a war, just choose another job.
Grow up.
Also these mercernaries died for the interests of megacorporations not "the country" and "freedom in the world".
Reality is never what it seems.
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Uberman: "Reality is never what it seems."
The big game changer in the stock market/banking was under Bill Clinton. The repeal of the Glass Steagle Act. That changed everything! Clinton went with it, because he knew the market would boom, and he'd take credit. Too bad for him that the Dot Bomb Boom, exploded in 2000, on his watch. Under Bush the the major change was in 2007, when the SEC got rid of the uptick rule for short sales of stocks. That guaranteed a bear extravaganza in the stock market. Though Bush probably didn't even know it happened, it was his watch, and he probably wouldn't have stopped it if he knew.
Obama didn't bail out GM. GM's investors got killed. Obama bailed out the UAW, and it cost the taxpayers billions of $.
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How did family sacrifices go this week for the Bush family?
Fantastic - all virgins were in the single digit age range though even with Satan's superpowers backing them efforts they couldn't pull nearly as much poon as BDB :D
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these people enlisted willingly to get paid and because they were of no use in society otherwise, soldiers are mercenaries, dying is part of the job. When you intend to kill people, you know there s a risk they ll want to kill you too. If you dont want to die in a war, just choose another job.
Grow up.
Also these mercernaries died for the interests of megacorporations not "the country" and "freedom in the world".
Reality is never what it seems.
that's a fucked up attitude to have..actually these guys are mostly smart guys who sign up because they are motivated and so they can get training at government expense..nothing wrong with that....we have the smartest military in the world
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How was Al Queda at war with us? Were they invading your town....killing all its' citizens, blowing up buildings, etc.? Oh, that was us.....my bad.
9/11 was a response to the U.S. sticking its unwanted nose in every other country's business. They cannot fight us military-wise, so they pick and choose where to strike. Nobody likes a bully, and when people have enough of that bully, they retaliate. And they will continue to do so until we get the fuck out and mind our own fucking business.....
They only WMDs in Iraq were our troops. If they found anything bigger than an M80, you bet the press would be publishing it. They kept it a secret, huh? Did Rush Limbaugh say that, too? Hahahaha....
Yes...Al Qaeda did blow up "our buildings"...they blew up our embassies! They nearly sank a s US ship at seas, the USS Cole! They attacked us on 9/11 and killed thousands.
Yes..there were WMD's in Iraq...
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0
Suck on that you smug mother**ker....
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Yes...Al Qaeda did blow up "our buildings"...they blew up our embassies! They nearly sank a s US ship at seas, the USS Cole! They attacked us on 9/11 and killed thousands.
Yes..there were WMD's in Iraq...
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0
Suck on that you smug mother**ker....
They blew up our embassies...... and we destroyed their entire country and killed thousands and thousands of people (theirs and ours), all while our own economy sunk (and continues to sink) into the shitter with each passing day. That seem like a fair tradeoff to you?
And as far as the WMDs that Bush cried about for years.....the ones he killed THOUSANDS in the name of? They were never found. Of course there will be reports of findings....after the fact. He lied to the American people just like his asshole daddy did.
That shit article you posted just stated more shit about chemical weapons.....No shit. They have them.....and use them on their own people. Why should ONE American give a fuck? They hate us......even after we "helped" them.
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partisanship aside ... doesn't matter whether you're conservative or liberal or neither ... if you're being honest ya gotta acknowledge that George W Bush was (and probably will remain) the worst president of your lifetime.
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partisanship aside ... doesn't matter whether you're conservative or liberal or neither ... if you're being honest ya gotta acknowledge that George W Bush was (and probably will remain) the worst president of your lifetime.
Partisanship aside?!? You think Bush was worse that Carter, Clinton and Obama, and claim non-partisanship? Reality Check!
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Partisanship aside?!? You think Bush was worse that Carter, Clinton and Obama, and claim non-partisanship? Reality Check!
any fair-minded observer would acknowledge the obvious.
(i'm not biased, bro, I don't think his dad was that bad.)
the Carter presidency didn't have many successes but it wasn't as devastating to the country as W's administration.
imagine if Carter/Clinton/Obama had kept reading The Pet Goat to kids after being informed that a 2nd plane had hit the WTC ... (wtf!)
how many additional minutes did Bush spend with the kids while there was an ongoing terror attack against the U.S.? ???
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Their creeping socialism picked up speed to a flat out run under Carter, Clinton and Obama, after Johnson started his "great Society" programs, that has been destroying our once great country, mostly by paying the lowest life forms in our country to breed like flies, and hand the bills for their every need to the taxpayers, so that they would vote for the democrats. And, when they couldn't get enough taxes to buy votes, they created more debt that one day will have to be paid back, once again by the taxpayers, not the welfare bums.
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I actually respect much of the character of GW Bush.
I'd rather go to a game with Bush then Obama.
Jimmy Carter was one of the most decent, honorable to serve as President but he was ineffective in that job.
GW Bush wasn't an effective President and economy tanked under his watch.
Before Bush left office the Dow Jones avg was half of what it is today.
Gas prices soared to double what they right now.
Bush seems like a good dude and I like him as a person more then Obama.
BUT, when you look at all the hard data, Bush was NOT a very effective President.
To use a BB example, I met Dexter a few times over the years at various shows and expos.
He always came across as this aloof, douchebag who didn't enjoy interacting with fans like me.
Plenty of other lower placing pros were really cool guys and I enjoyed my 2 min time spent meeting them.
I'd much rather workout with Bob Chick then Dexter Jackson for example
Obama like Dexter can seem like a douchebag , but his actual contest record is impressive.
I am sure Obama would be honored to be compared to Dex Jax.
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No..none of it is/was true. As I pointed out earlier...as Bush took office the economy was either in or heading into a recession. Al Qaeda was at war with us...9/11 forced us to realize that. And there were WMD's in Iraq...for whatever reason, the pentagon and White house made a political decision to not publicize the injuries suffered by US troops resulting from chemical weapons.
you are so far from reality here.....WOW
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When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was strong, and we weren't involved in an active war. We weren't great or in a perfect way, but American life was good.....unless you were a Rush Limbaugh sheep.....
In comes GW, and down goes the U.S. Trying to avenge Daddy's Iraqi fuck up, under the lie of looking for those still to be found WMDs, George "War Criminal" Bush sent many American and Iraqi young men and women to an early grave.....for nothing Our economy still has not recovered.....and never will, short of a major change to our broken system.
And to the original question? My guess would be because he was too stupid to find the exit....
Actually, Bill Clinton tanked the economy, not Bush. And Obama is now building up the same mess as Bill Clinton.
25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
Bill Clinton
"President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of free-wheeling capitalism was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation. He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment."
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877322,00.html
George W. Bush
"From the start, Bush embraced a governing philosophy of deregulation. That trickled down to federal oversight agencies, which in turn eased off on banks and mortgage brokers. Bush did push early on for tighter controls over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but he failed to move Congress. After the Enron scandal, Bush backed and signed the aggressively regulatory Sarbanes-Oxley Act. But SEC head William Donaldson tried to boost regulation of mutual and hedge funds, he was blocked by Bush's advisers at the White House as well as other powerful Republicans and quit. Plus, let's face it, the meltdown happened on Bush's watch."
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877320,00.html
Immediately after Bush took office in 2001, there was a recession. Was this Bush's fault? No, it was Clinton's fault. Clinton left Bush a huge mess.
Clinton made it possible for derivative swaps to get out of control. When warned that this would soon destroy the economy, Clinton ignored the warnings. Now Obama is doing the same. Recessions are only going to get worse and more frequent.
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Actually, all of it is/was true, and then some......
How many young American men came home from Iraq/Afghanistan in body bags under the war(s) started by George "War Monger" Bush? The answer is: A lot. All for "Iraqi freedom?" These young men and women gave their lives to fight the Bush family grudge and died for it.....
Guaranteed that none of those kids in Arlington are even remotely close to being related to a Bush, Cheney, or any other pussy pulling the strings behind a cowardly curtain of bullshit freedom..... I wonder how the families of those killed now feel after many holidays of their son, father, brother, or friend not being alive just so Fucking little Mohammed in Baghdad can now read a sentence in school. Well worth a life, right?
(https://coffeeforclosers.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wanted-george-bush.jpg)
Seymour Hersh and Ralph Nader, both liberal W. Bush haters, yet both believe Obama is much worse than Bush.
Ralph Nader Blasts Minimum Wage, Obama: 'Has There Ever Been A Bigger' White House 'Con Man'?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/ralph-nader-minimum-wage_n_3437545.html
Ralph Nader: Barack Obama is worse than George W. Bush
http://www.examiner.com/article/ralph-nader-barack-obama-is-worse-than-george-w-bush-video
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Their creeping socialism picked up speed to a flat out run under Carter, Clinton and Obama, after Johnson started his "great Society" programs, that has been destroying our once great country, mostly by paying the lowest life forms in our country to breed like flies, and hand the bills for their every need to the taxpayers, so that they would vote for the democrats. And, when they couldn't get enough taxes to buy votes, they created more debt that one day will have to be paid back, once again by the taxpayers, not the welfare bums.
so in your mind before the "Great Society" programs the country was great when we had rampant and overt racism justified and enforced by law and authority, lynchings, open discrimination whereby blacks and women were denied jobs, extremely poor conditions where a lot of people in the south both black and white didn't have flush toilets and lived in shacks, rampant poor nutrition and starvation due to no food stamps, limited access to quality healthcare due to no medicaid or medicare, and old people who were indigent because there was no social security...
wow....wonderful society
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so in your mind before the "Great Society" programs the country was great when we had rampant and overt racism justified and enforced by law and authority, lynchings, open discrimination whereby blacks and women were denied jobs, extremely poor conditions where a lot of people in the south both black and white didn't have flush toilets and lived in shacks, rampant poor nutrition and starvation due to no food stamps, limited access to quality healthcare due to no medicaid or medicare, and old people who were indigent because there was no social security...
wow....wonderful society
Yes - F you and your peeps. If you need free shit go somewhere else ;)
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so in your mind before the "Great Society" programs the country was great when we had rampant and overt racism justified and enforced by law and authority, lynchings, open discrimination whereby blacks and women were denied jobs, extremely poor conditions where a lot of people in the south both black and white didn't have flush toilets and lived in shacks, rampant poor nutrition and starvation due to no food stamps, limited access to quality healthcare due to no medicaid or medicare, and old people who were indigent because there was no social security...
wow....wonderful society
The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States first announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University, then at University of Michigan, and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society
Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society#African-American_family_structure
Economist Thomas Sowell
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The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States first announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University, then at University of Michigan, and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society
Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society#African-American_family_structure
Economist Thomas Sowell
(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Thomas-Sowell-e1336651594849.jpg)
I actually agree with Thomas Sowell in the regard that the subsidizing unwed mothers and replacing the father in teh home was an unintended consequence of the Great Society Programs....however the programs did way more good than given credit for.....and on balnce made our society much better and far fairer and compassionate