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Wow...again...Obama was supposedly the mastermind of some IRS conspiracy to use the IRS to target conservatives and conservative/tea party groups..the conservative idiots all over /America and Getbig swore this was true just like they did with Benghazi...NOW the House Subcommittee has reported there was NO WHITE HOUSE involvement in what happened...
Admittedly Obama is still responsible for what goes on under his watch.....but that's a far cry of him actually directing a government agency to target the opposition as idiots have alleged...
OBAMA WINS AGAIN!!!!....
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Stop. This is getting bad even for you
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Hahahaha, the sad part is he actually believes this. lol
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Hahahaha, the sad part is he actually believes this. lol
so I guess you don't believe the house committee?????????????????????????????????????
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here's the problem... repubs keep CLEARING obama of wrongdoing. They did it on benghazi too, right?
Repubs, you cannot just say "Hahahaha, the sad part is he actually believes this. lol" because you are saying "hahaha, the sad part is that he actually believes the word of Republicans in Congress", since they're the ones that said it.
Why did house repubs lie to the American people about Obama involvement in IRS scandal?
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here's the problem... repubs keep CLEARING obama of wrongdoing. They did it on benghazi too, right?
Repubs, you cannot just say "Hahahaha, the sad part is he actually believes this. lol" because you are saying "hahaha, the sad part is that he actually believes the word of Republicans in Congress", since they're the ones that said it.
Why did house repubs lie to the American people about Obama involvement in IRS scandal?
Exactly.....the conservatives keep making headlines by accusing Obama of stuff and then quietly exonerates him....FOX news quiet on this so far.....He wasn't even a citizen..remember???
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Exactly.....the conservatives keep making headlines by accusing Obama of stuff and then quietly exonerates him....FOX news quiet on this so far.....He wasn't even a citizen..remember???
Repubs that 1) refuse to impeach 2) keep clearing obama of his crimes...
These people are just as bad as libs. They're enabling obama.
They might be WORSE than democrats - because they have the (R) next to their name, they are preventing an actual conservative from holding that office and stopping obama. If Romney wins nomination, that means conservatives have 0% chance of stopping obamacare or amnesty or min wage changes in 2016 and beyond, because they get liberal ideals with either candidate.
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Man it must be tough to be a
crybaby bitch true repub these days.
- Repubs don't associate with birthers
- Repubs don't push impeachment
- Repubs cleared him in Bengazi
- Repubs cleared him with IRS targeting
All you guys seem to have left is extreme conservative borderline CT sites.
What does it feel like to be abandoned crying like little bitches alone in a corner?
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Repubs that 1) refuse to impeach 2) keep clearing obama of his crimes...
These people are just as bad as libs. They're enabling obama.
They might be WORSE than democrats - because they have the (R) next to their name, they are preventing an actual conservative from holding that office and stopping obama. If Romney wins nomination, that means conservatives have 0% chance of stopping obamacare or amnesty or min wage changes in 2016 and beyond, because they get liberal ideals with either candidate.
My feeling is that Romney can't beat Hillary and may have a difficult time squeaking past Biden if he were the Dem nominee.....Biden has no chance against hillary but if Hillary got cold feet Biden might be the front-runner.....and Biden's knowledge of government and his resume is impresive...might beat Romney if he can abstain from making gaffes as he's prone to do....
and I suspect that Romney won't bother revisiting trying to stop Obamacare if he wins because I really truly believe that in his heart of hearts he SYMPATHIZES with Obamacare..how could he not when Obamacare is basically a ripoff of his own program???
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Man it must be tough to be a crybaby bitch true repub these days.
- Repubs don't associate with birthers
- Repubs don't push impeachment
- Repubs cleared him in Bengazi
- Repubs cleared him with IRS targeting
All you guys seem to have left is extreme conservative borderline CT sites.
What does it feel like to be abandoned crying like little bitches alone in a corner?
GOOD POST....QFT
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Yeah - gop just took over the house, senate, most state houses, etc most since 1928 - lol
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Yeah - gop just took over the house, senate, most state houses, etc most since 1928 - lol
Which is a very good thing after years of Dem majorities.
But it doesn't change your anguish. All your charges have been rebuked by the very people who claim to represent you.
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Which is a very good thing after years of Dem majorities.
But it doesn't change your anguish. All your charges have been rebuked by the very people who claim to represent you.
Boehner is a traitor and a joke
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Yeah - gop just took over the house, senate, most state houses, etc most since 1928 - lol
believe me Im glad that the GOP managed a comeback...its not good to have one party dominate....but the baseless and false accusations which cater to a certain fundraising base has got to stop.....its destroying America...and then the Repubs complain that Obama won't reach across the aisle to work with them...how can you work with a group of people who constantly try to de-legitimize you with baseless accusations which border on slander???
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Which is a very good thing after years of Dem majorities.
But it doesn't change your anguish. All your charges have been rebuked by the very people who claim to represent you.
yes...and the probelm is that once the GOP brainwashes people into believing these constant false allegations against Obama, when they finally own up and admit they were wrong, their brainwashed constituents STILL don't believe them and then continue to insist that the original false allegation is really true and that the Republicans sold out...in the end its really self-defeating and radicalizes their constituents even more
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Boehner is a traitor and a joke
He's actually a realist who has been pushed into a corner by the more radical elements of his party.....his Job as speaker of the House is to work with the president to get things done in the senate and to compromise the positions of his party so that this happens......he couldn't do that because he had guys like Ted Cruz and McConnell who absolutely refused to budge on anything...and now Boehner has basically no legacy whatsoever to point to during his house tenure....what legislation can he point to as an achievement?...other than maybe the sequester which enacted major budget cutting even on sacred conservative cows like defense
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Boehner is a traitor and a joke
Exactly!
How does it feel to be abandon without representation?...............with no change in sight.
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Exactly!
How does it feel to be abandon without representation?...............with no change in sight.
Sucks bro - the middle class is getting fucked royally
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yes...and the probelm is that once the GOP brainwashes people into believing these constant false allegations against Obama, when they finally own up and admit they were wrong, their brainwashed constituents STILL don't believe them and then continue to insist that the original false allegation is really true and that the Republicans sold out...in the end its really self-defeating and radicalizes their constituents even more
yep it certainly doesn't help their party.
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Sucks bro - the middle class is getting fucked royally
What went wrong?
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What went wrong?
special interest groups on all sides run the agenda
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Plausible Denial. Obama covered his tracks, or fingerprints, in the crime. Obama's people did it, but the Republicans couldn't place the smoking gun in Obama's hand. What else do you need to know?
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Plausible Denial. Obama covered his tracks, or fingerprints, in the crime. Obama's people did it, but the Republicans couldn't place the smoking gun in Obama's hand. What else do you need to know?
Sounds like the only explanation you can adopt to keep your beliefs supported.
In the absence of facts to back up a belief simply create another theory which also absence of facts to support it. That way you don't have to deal with the real issues.
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Sounds like the only explanation you can adopt to keep your beliefs supported.
In the absence of facts to back up a belief simply create another theory which also absence of facts to support it. That way you don't have to deal with the real issues.
My beliefs? My belief is that anyone successful in politics, or at least their close advisers/handlers, have all read Machiavelli. Creating Plausible Denial, is a nonpartisan skill set in politics. This time Obama, or his people, used is successfully.
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My beliefs? My belief is that anyone successful in politics, or at least their close advisers/handlers, have all read Machiavelli. Creating Plausible Denial, is a nonpartisan skill set in politics.
That has nothing to do with your unsupported assertions and baseless conjecture.
Is Obama Kenyan Born?
Is he guilty in Bengazi and with Targeting?
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That has nothing to do with your unsupported assertions and baseless conjecture.
Is Obama Kenyan Born?
Is he guilty in Bengazi and with Targeting?
What unsupported assertions and baseless conjecture have I made?
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What unsupported assertions and baseless conjecture have I made?
you're amazing
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What unsupported assertions and baseless conjecture have I made?
"Obama covered his tracks, or fingerprints, in the crime."
"Obama's people did it"
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you're amazing
I am! And more than you'll ever know.
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I am! And more than you'll ever know.
that might be true but you're definitely not amazing when it comes to political discussion 8)
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"Obama covered his tracks, or fingerprints, in the crime."
"Obama's people did it"
The IRS illegal targeting of Obama's enemies did happen. They just couldn't trace it back to Obama. So who did it, if it wasn't Obama, or his people?
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The IRS illegal targeting of Obama's enemies did happen. They just couldn't trace it back to Obama. So who did it, if it wasn't Obama, or his people?
not according to this:
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf (http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf)
Do you have credible factual evidence that R-ISSA & co. with their vast resources and ability and access to actual information that they don't know about?
Or is this more baseless speculation fueled by another baseless belief?
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not according to this:
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf (http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf)
Do you have credible factual evidence that R-ISSA & co. with their vast resources and ability and access to actual information that they don't know about?
Or is this more baseless speculation fueled by another baseless belief?
I get it. You like Obama. He beat the rap. You're happy.
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I get it. You like Obama. He beat the rap. You're happy.
;)
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I get it. You like Obama. He beat the rap. You're happy.
No, I get it....YOU CAN'T BACK YOUR CLAIM. :)
You are living in a fantasy world that when pressed on actual facts you default to "you love OB"
I hate OB. I feel he's likely one of the worse presidents of our era.
- ACA, NDAA, Libya, Not stopping the torture report, etc.
But what's worse is blatant ignorance of people like you who are IMO, the primary reason he won a second term.
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No, I get it....YOU CAN'T BACK YOUR CLAIM. :)
You are living in a fantasy world that when pressed on actual facts you default to "you love OB"
I hate OB. I feel he's likely one of the worse presidents of our era.
- ACA, NDAA, Libya, Not stopping the torture report, etc.
But what's worse is blatant ignorance of people like you who are IMO, the primary reason he won a second term.
First I didn't vote for Obama, so don't blame me for his Presidency. Second if you don't like Obama, then your posts are
insane, or you're just trolling.
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First I didn't vote for Obama, so don't blame me for his Presidency. Second if you don't like Obama, then your posts are
insane, or you're just trolling.
No, not trying to troll at all. I just don't like BS. And much of what OB is accused of at times is pure stupid BS.
There is enough of what he actually did to attack him on....like the things i listed.
But instead too many people decided to trade in their common sense for hate fueled baseless speculation.
Take the Birther movement for example. It helped associate the GOP with angry hateful retarded ignorant whiny morons.
The constant whining from the right, and the stuff they whined about turned away swing voters. Simple as that.
It costs the GOP the election that should have been a landslide.
So i will ask you again:
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf (http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf)
Do you have credible factual evidence that R-ISSA & co. with their vast resources and ability and access to actual information that they don't know about?
Or is this more baseless speculation fueled by another baseless belief?
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No, not trying to troll at all. I just don't like BS. And much of what OB is accused of at times is pure stupid BS.
There is enough of what he actually did to attack him on....like the things i listed.
But instead too many people decided to trade in their common sense for hate fueled baseless speculation.
Take the Birther movement for example. It helped associate the GOP with angry hateful retarded ignorant whiny morons.
The constant whining from the right, and the stuff they whined about turned away swing voters. Simple as that.
It costs the GOP the election that should have been a landslide.
So i will ask you again:
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf (http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/December-2014-IRS-Report.pdf)
Do you have credible factual evidence that R-ISSA & co. with their vast resources and ability and access to actual information that they don't know about?
Or is this more baseless speculation fueled by another baseless belief?
Do you have any evidence that Obama was born anywhere? All I saw was a Photoshopped "Notice of Birth" document. No explanation as to who was using Photoshop in 1963.
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Do you have any evidence that Obama was born anywhere? All I saw was a Photoshopped "Notice of Birth" document. No explanation as to who was using Photoshop in 1963.
Dude....Obama released his Birth Certificate a little over two years ago.....even Donald Trump shut up after that..
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Dude....Obama released his Birth Certificate a little over two years ago.....even Donald Trump shut up after that..
But it was PhotoShopped. How was that done in 1963?
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Do you have any evidence that Obama was born anywhere? All I saw was a Photoshopped "Notice of Birth" document. No explanation as to who was using Photoshop in 1963.
So instead of answering my questions you are going birther?
WOW. lol
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So instead of answering my questions you are going birther?
WOW. lol
Never involved with the Birthers or Tea Baggers, but a document allegedly from 1963, that is clearly PhotoShopped, sure says fake, fraud and lies, to me.
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But it was PhotoShopped. How was that done in 1963?
who told you it was photoshopped?.....I sincerely doubt the POTUS, the most powerful man in the world, would risk his credibility by producing on his own, a false, obviously photoshopped, document...He would be impeached and I would support that...
Especially when he did not have to produce one....and again...do you think that a person could hoodwink the FBI, Secret Service, and all the other vetting processes that one must go through when they run for office?????????....especially the presidency????..where you would have your finger on the nuclear button????????...does that make any sense to you???????
However, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because I believe that YOU believe that the document was photoshopped..I don't think you're trolling..I think you are sincere....you may have gotten your information from a blog (which often resembles true news if you don't look close enough, or even from youtube or a far-right conservative website....which again often resembles news but isn't....
If Obama's BC was photoshopped I think the New york Times, L.A. Times, and Washington Post would have the evidence.....
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Never involved with the Birthers or Tea Baggers, but a document allegedly from 1963, that is clearly PhotoShopped, sure says fake, fraud and lies, to me.
Went round and round (hundreds of posts, research etc.) with that issue a while back (refer to CT board "all things Birther". Not interested in getting back into it only to show conclusively its not a fake.
More interested in the subject at hand: no Obama link to IRS scandal
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who told you it was photoshopped?.....I sincerely doubt the POTUS, the most powerful man in the world, would risk his credibility by producing on his own, a false, obviously photoshopped, document...He would be impeached and I would support that...
Especially when he did not have to produce one....and again...do you think that a person could hoodwink the FBI, Secret Service, and all the other vetting processes that one must go through when they run for office?????????....especially the presidency????..where you would have your finger on the nuclear button????????...does that make any sense to you???????
However, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because I believe that YOU believe that the documetn was photoshopped..I don't think you're trolling..I think you are sincere....you may have gotten your information from a blog (which often rsembles true news if you don't look close enough, or even from youtube or a far-right conservative website....which again often resembles news but isn't....
If Obama's BC was photoshopped I think the New york Times, L.A. Times, and Washington Post would have the evidence.....
Look at him for f's sake. He screams gay African from Kenya w an STD on welfare and living on a cardboard mat doubling as a breakdancing pad
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Went round and round (hundreds of posts, research etc.) with that issue a while back (refer to CT board "all things Birther". Not interested in getting back into it only to show conclusively its not a fake.
More interested in the subject at hand: no Obama link to IRS scandal
you're absolutely right...time to move on
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Look at him for f's sake. He screams gay African from Kenya w an STD on welfare and living on a cardboard mat doubling as a breakdancing pad
lol
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you're absolutely right...time to move on
No - not moving on until kenyabama admits he is from Africa, married to a man, is a communist , still on drugs, etc
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No - not moving on until kenyabama admits he is from Africa, married to a man, is a communist , still on drugs, etc
and if he did, then what?... ;D
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and if he did, then what?... ;D
At least I could then at least hang my Kenya flag from the window, say we had our first admittedted gay potus, etc.
As it is now - he is just a typical failed commie ghetto pos
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Obama's birth certificate was Photoshopped. The establishment media refused to cover the story. It was blacked out. You can YouTube "Obama"s birth certificate was Photoshopped" to see links. Probably some won't like the sources, but they show that the document was easily broken down into digital pieces. Not possible for a document created in 1963, because there was no Photoshop and Adobe software in 1963, nor any personal computers to run it on.
Obviously, the Obama administration had counterfitters create the document, who were young enough to be computer wizzes, but also too young to realize that what they created would be historically impossible, and the politicos around Obama didn't realize it either, when they mistakenly released their fraudulent document.
So the story was killed by the establishment media. That's the Facts.
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Obama's birth certificate was Photoshopped. The establishment media refused to cover the story. It was blacked out. You can YouTube "Obama"s birth certificate was Photoshopped" to see links. Probably some won't like the sources, but they show that the document was easily broken down into digital pieces. Not possible for a document created in 1963, because there was no Photoshop and Adobe software in 1963, nor any personal computers to run it on.
Obviously, the Obama administration had counterfitters create the document, who were young enough to be computer wizzes, but also too young to realize that what they created would be historically impossible, and the politicos around Obama didn't realize it either, when they mistakenly released their fraudulent document.
So the story was killed by the establishment media. That's the Facts.
because its on youtube its factual?
meanwhile more baseless speculation in your post.
BTW, the media doesn't need to pick it up. It simply has to be enough credible evidence to be brought to a court.
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because its on youtube its factual?
meanwhile more baseless speculation in your post.
I didn't say because it was on YouTube, that it was factual. I said the facts are available on YouTube. If all the sites listed were lying about the Photoshopped birth certificate, then it would have been easy for the Obama Administration and the establishment media to prove the critics of the birth certificate were lying. Instead the story was killed, blackout, covered up. That's because it was the Obama Administration and the establishment media were the ones that were lying and blacking out the story was the only damage control that they could muster at the time. It worked for most of the population that have short memories.
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I didn't say because it was on YouTube, that it was factual. I said the facts are available on YouTube. If all the sites listed were lying about the Photoshopped birth certificate, then it would have been easy for the Obama Administration and the establishment media to prove the critics of the birth certificate were lying. Instead the story was killed, blackout, covered up. That's because it was the Obama Administration and the establishment media were the ones that were lying and blacking out the story was the only damage control that they could muster at the time. It worked for most of the population that have short memories.
I added to my post above
Facts are not available on YOUTUBE.
If there where credible evidence of his Kenyan birth or tampering etc. it would only have to be brought to a court.
Yet, with that moron sherriff and Trump, there was NO FACTUAL OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ever brought to any court. The birther movement had TRUMP money behind it to. Still they struck out.
In fact, if these so called "facts" had any credibility there would be lines of people filling suits and the media wouldn't have had any choice but to cover it.
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I must have missed this "No Obama link to the IRS scandal". Was this aired on MSNBC or one of the MSM networks? Or written in a NY Times or other rag's editorial section?
You've got to be in complete black liberal denial to think there was no targeting of conservatives and no link to the WH. Or else you're the kind of person who thinks pro wrestling is real.
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I must have missed this "No Obama link to the IRS scandal". Was this aired on MSNBC or one of the MSM networks? Or written in a NY Times or other rag's editorial section?
You've got to be in complete black liberal denial to think there was no targeting of conservatives and no link to the WH. Or else you're the kind of person who thinks pro wrestling is real.
One of andres' peeps at the social services office told him that while waiting in line for this months' rations
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I added to my post above
Facts are not available on YOUTUBE.
If there where credible evidence of his Kenyan birth or tampering etc. it would only have to be brought to a court.
Yet, with that moron sherriff and Trump, there was NO FACTUAL OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ever brought to any court. The birther movement had TRUMP money behind it to. Still they struck out.
In fact, if these so called "facts" had any credibility there would be lines of people filling suits and the media wouldn't have had any choice but to cover it.
Bring a politician to court for lying? Imagine the backlog of cases that would create. There are plenty of suits the establishment media ignores and court cases that get no coverage. Yeah Trump had the money, but he dropped out of the birther politics at just that time. So I'd say he got whatever it was he wanted from the establishment, to conveniently go away, just when the administration and the establishment media want to kill a story.
What you can see on YouTube is that the birth certificate presented as Obama's is digitally constructed, which would have been impossible to do in 1963, and the only reason to do it now was to fake it. So fake it is.
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One of andres' peeps at the social services office told him that while waiting in line for this months' rations
Was it his baby-momma rounddaway homegirl Shanequa baby daddy?
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At least I could then at least hang my Kenya flag from the window, say we had our first admittedted gay potus, etc.
As it is now - he is just a typical failed commie ghetto pos
I think what you need to ask yourself is why is it important to you that he admit to being gay....again if he did what would happen then?..he'd STILL be president....
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One of andres' peeps at the social services office told him that while waiting in line for this months' rations
As much as I hate to admit it. you do make me laugh out loud at your absurdity...at least you're good for something ;D
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I must have missed this "No Obama link to the IRS scandal". Was this aired on MSNBC or one of the MSM networks? Or written in a NY Times or other rag's editorial section?
You've got to be in complete black liberal denial to think there was no targeting of conservatives and no link to the WH. Or else you're the kind of person who thinks pro wrestling is real.
but repubs cleared him? so they are liberals?
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but repubs cleared him? so they are liberals?
They are from Kenya too ;)
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I added to my post above
Facts are not available on YOUTUBE.
If there where credible evidence of his Kenyan birth or tampering etc. it would only have to be brought to a court.
Yet, with that moron sherriff and Trump, there was NO FACTUAL OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ever brought to any court. The birther movement had TRUMP money behind it to. Still they struck out.
In fact, if these so called "facts" had any credibility there would be lines of people filling suits and the media wouldn't have had any choice but to cover it.
EXACTLY>>> This is what i was talking about earlier in terms of the mental illness that is sweeping our nation whereby no one wants to believe facts any more....back in the old days people had a difference of opinion but at the end of the day you could present facts and people's thinking would evolve and they would embrace the truth...nowadays everyone has their own set of facts from dubious sources like YOUTUBE, Blogs, and FOX NEWS...I am a liberal but I would NEVER present MSNBC as a source because I would lose instant credibility.....the other day Soul Crusher presented an opinion and gave WIKIPEDIA as a source......ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
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Bring a politician to court for lying? Imagine the backlog of cases that would create. There are plenty of suits the establishment media ignores and court cases that get no coverage. Yeah Trump had the money, but he dropped out of the birther politics at just that time. So I'd say he got whatever it was he wanted from the establishment, to conveniently go away, just when the administration and the establishment media want to kill a story.
What you can see on YouTube is that the birth certificate presented as Obama's is digitally constructed, which would have been impossible to do in 1963, and the only reason to do it now was to fake it. So fake it is.
If credible evidence exists then it doesn't matter what a politician says.
Fact is, credible evidence doesn't exist.
You seem to have a naive knowledge of how a court works.
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If credible evidence exists then it doesn't matter what a politician says.
Fact is, credible evidence doesn't exist.
You seem to have a naive knowledge of how a court works.
Ok, so if the birth certificate is real, then why didn't Obama sue these right wingers, Birthers and Tea Party members, for libel? His critics who exposed the fraud, also wanted to get their hands on the original to show that the paper wasn't in existence in 1963 either. A court case against would have given them a chance to examine the evidence first hand. Obama could even have had them hauled into court on charges of sedition, thereby getting rid of a bunch of detractors, but he didn't. Why? Simple. He knows the birth certificate is fake. So the story was killed.
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Ok, so if the birth certificate is real, then why didn't Obama sue these right wingers, Birthers and Tea Party members, for libel? His critics who exposed the fraud, also wanted to get their hands on the original to show that the paper wasn't in existence in 1963 either. A court case against would have given them a chance to examine the evidence first hand. Obama could even have had them hauled into court on charges of sedition, thereby getting rid of a bunch of detractors, but he didn't. Why? Simple. He knows the birth certificate is fake. So the story was killed.
You would have ask OB. I would speculate that its not worth his time and doesn't help him politically. You have to remember, sane intelligent people didn't believe he was born outside the USA.
The way it would work is if there was actual credible evidence of fraud, anyone could file a suit over it.
So let's summarize before you jump to some other angle.
1. Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2. Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
Here's what you are doing: You have made up your mind (based on rhetoric, baseless speculation, etc) that he was born in Kenya and you will only pay real attention to anything that supports that speculation.
That's not critical thinking.
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You would have ask OB. I would speculate that its not worth his time and doesn't help him politically. You have to remember, sane intelligent people didn't believe he was born outside the USA.
The way it would work is if there was actual credible evidence of fraud, anyone could file a suit over it.
So let's summarize before you jump to some other angle.
1. Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2. Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
Here's what you are doing: You have made up your mind (based on rhetoric, baseless speculation, etc) that he was born in Kenya and you will only pay real attention to anything that supports that speculation.
That's not critical thinking.
OR, his critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money to see the case dragged through the courts for years on end.
You keep wanting to ignore the FACT that the birth certificate that the Obama Administration released, as real, was in fact a fake. It doesn't matter who first discovered that it was a fake, but the fact that it was digitally constructed proves without any doubt that it was a fake, because it could not have been done in 1963. It's not who said it was a fake, that convinces me that it is a fake, it is the evidence that it is a fake, that convinced me it is fake.
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OR, his critic didn't sue because they didn't have the money to see the case dragged through the courts for years on end.
You keep wanting to ignore the FACT that the birth certificate that the Obama Administration released, as real, was in fact a fake. It doesn't matter who first discovered that it was a fake, but the fact that it was digitally constructed proves without any doubt that it was a fake, because it could not have been done in 1963. It's not who said it was a fake, that convinces me that it is a fake, it is the evidence that it is a fake, that convinced me it is fake.
what the hell are you talking about??????...are you insane????...I thought we taught you something....we are just going in circles...but again..you've been thoroughly brainwashed..I kinda don't blame you
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what the hell are you talking about??????...are you insane????...I thought we taught you something....we are just going in circles...but again..you've been thoroughly brainwashed..I kinda don't blame you
Then you explain to me how a document, allegedly issued in 1963, was digitally constructed. I'll wait for your answer. But, I won't wait long.
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OR, his critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money to see the case dragged through the courts for years on end.
You keep wanting to ignore the FACT that the birth certificate that the Obama Administration released, as real, was in fact a fake. It doesn't matter who first discovered that it was a fake, but the fact that it was digitally constructed proves without any doubt that it was a fake, because it could not have been done in 1963. It's not who said it was a fake, that convinces me that it is a fake, it is the evidence that it is a fake, that convinced me it is fake.
Its not a fact. If it was a fact, we would have had a new president by now.
I am not ignoring anything. I am only living in the real world here. In the real world, factual evidence brought to a court can and will result in a charge. In this case Fraud.
No credible evidence has been provided.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Current summary of your arguments:
1. Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2. Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3. OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money. = Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE
Note: arguing with a birther is no different than arguing with a truther.
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Its not a fact. If it was a fact, we would have had a new president by now.
I am not ignoring anything. I am only living in the real world here. In the real world, factual evidence brought to a court can and will result in a charge. In this case Fraud.
No credible evidence has been provided.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Current summary of your arguments:
1. Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2. Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3. OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money. = Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE
Note: arguing with a birther is no different than arguing with a truther.
You're dense. The document is a fake. But you believe it anyway. That's your problem.
As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!
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You're dense. The document is a fake. But you believe it anyway. That's your problem.
As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!
The evidence needs only to be credible enough to justify a trail which it never has. HENCE: NOT FACTUAL, NOT CREDIBLE, NOTHING!
I am not willing at the moment to go back a soundly debunk the claims about the document as i did couple of years ago. However, its well documented on the CT board.
Feel free to read and specifically challenge anything i wrote.
My assertion is very valid in that IF there was credible evidence of fraud concerning OB's birth he would have been removed from or resigned from office (exp: Nixon), charges would have been filed and the media would have been all over it.
Current summary of your arguments, and you are calling me dense? :) :
1. Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2. Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3. OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money. = Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE
4. Repeated statement of "The document is a fake" without providing any argument to that other than references to an unspcified youtube vid. = meaningless (i shouldn't have to explain why)
5. "As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!" = Meaningless and shows you have a grade school knowledge of how the court system in America works.
dude you are 0-5
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You have proof that the document was real? You posted it before, but you forgot what that evidence is now? How to you digitally construct a document in 1963? You can't answer that, but believe it happened?
You've been a great help. NOT!
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You have proof that the document was real? You posted it before, but you forgot what that evidence is now? How to you digitally construct a document in 1963? You can't answer that, but believe it happened?
You've been a great help. NOT!
Yeah. It was 2 years ago or maybe even more. Lots of posts, lots of back and forth. Don't really care to dive into that mess and spend hours rehashing everything. I was engaged in it when Sheriff Joe and Trump were in the news showing what they found, which amounted to squat. There were many angles to the "he was born in Kenya charge" including I am sure, even though i don't readily remember accusations of photo shopping. (which is easy to prove if it was shopped) If any of it was factual or credible it would have been used by now and OB would be out of office.
I would have been happy about it. I kind of wished it was true.
But common sense prevails...as with most people with rational thought. Any rational person can take a quick look and see it. that's why there are maybe 2-3 of all the OB haters on this board that are birthers. And i suspect they don't really believe it, but it fits in well with their hatred for OB.
Maybe one day, it will be proven he was born elsewhere, who knows. But based on the current evidence, NO WAY. Not even close.
Current summary of your arguments :
1. Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2. Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3. OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money. = Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE
4. Repeated statement of "The document is a fake" without providing any argument to that other than references to an unspcified youtube vid. = meaningless (i shouldn't have to explain why)
5. "As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!" = Meaningless and shows you have a grade school knowledge of how the court system in America works.
6. Asking me if i have proof the document is real. = meaningless because the burden of proof is on the accuser. but i did tell you about my lengthy posts on the subject on another board.