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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and call all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
lmao if you say it out loud it sounds funny
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and call all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
GOOD POST...
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I believe the bottom line is that these guys are lazy and are not interested in building a golden age physique, they just want to be the biggest meatball there is, no matter the cost to their life or organs. Which can be classified as mental illness. It is no longer an art form but a freak show.
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/vintage/ReevesSteve_4.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/styles/node_image/public/big-ramy-1-Mamdouh-Big-Ramy-Elssbiay.JPG?itok=dVHrgZAy)
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I think when you look at a Reg Park MR Britain 1949 as far as i know his first win (correct me if i´m wrong Local Hero) then he had very dense muscle and with very basic but hard training. I do think though that some exercises like press behind the neck do cause harm for some. depends as Gironda put it.. "one mans meat is another mans poison"
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less and different roids
only reason for difference in physiques
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look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension" ::) ::)
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
Go to 9:21, Flex Wheeler doing barbell behind the neck presses. And Cormier was known for doing heavy behind the neck presses, so was Levrone. Shawn, Flex, Dorian, Levrone, Cormier, Nasser, Dillett, Ronnie, were the last of the old school bodybuilders, but yes were a hybrid of old school and new school as well.
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I think when you look at a Reg Park MR Britain 1949 as far as i know his first win (correct me if i´m wrong Local Hero) then he had very dense muscle and with very basic but hard training. I do think though that some exercises like press behind the neck do cause harm for some. depends as Gironda put it.. "one mans meat is another mans poison"
I'm not sure about his 1st win, I do know that he was incredibly strong with a 500lb bench... The early bodybuilders are guys who couldn't fall back on lack of genetics by upping the dose or addung size with synthol
They either trained harder or realised they weren't cut out to be a bodybuilder in the 1st place,sadly now guys are killing them selves to look even slightly muscular, where as in parks era that wouldn't have been possible
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look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension" ::) ::)
His look on stage is what matters, not the way he lifts
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Phew. I am glad that we are FINALLY having this discussion. It's been a long time coming. ::)
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
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To be fair alot of movements are pretty dodgy, behind the neck exersizes are hard on shoulder joints, upright rows can be hard wearing, flat benchpresses have ruined many shoulders too..not everybody is built to do every movement, its good to mix and match to suit your self
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His look on stage is what matters, not the way he lifts
Yeah, too bad he is slamming a shit ton of gear. No matter how he looks, its still a pathetic excuse for a workout. Arnold would never be caught dead training that badly. Or any guy from the early 2000's or earlier.
Of course its easy to say, "its the way he looks," but maybe if he trained harder and the right way, he wouldn't have to destroy his body to the extent that he is. Drugs are totally carrying him. Sad. Of course drugs carry all bodybuilders, but you can definitely tell a difference in physique wise by those who train right. And its not like he is placing that high either. If he was winning every contest he competed in, then it may matter. But hes not.
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look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension" ::) ::)
That is so pathetic. No wonder athletes laugh at bodybuilders. He isn't even working hard and he is doing such a small range of motion.
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That is so pathetic. No wonder athletes laugh at bodybuilders. He isn't even working hard and he is doing such a small range of motion.
whats even worse is that he is out of breath lol
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Yeah, too bad he is slamming a shit ton of gear. No matter how he looks, its still a pathetic excuse for a workout. Arnold would never be caught dead training that badly. Or any guy from the early 2000's or earlier.
Of course its easy to say, "its the way he looks," but maybe if he trained harder and the right way, he wouldn't have to destroy his body to the extent that he is. Drugs are totally carrying him. Sad. Of course drugs carry all bodybuilders, but you can definitely tell a difference in physique wise by those who train right. And its not like he is placing that high either. If he was winning every contest he competed in, then it may matter. But hes not.
Bertil Fox didn't train "right" but he looked right.....
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
The bigger guys get in terms of size/body wt the less fine detail they have.
If you compete at a much bigger body wt, you won't have the same sharp lines.
It has nothing to do with machines vs free wts and EVERYTHING to do with trying to compete at a heavier wt.
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look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension" ::) ::)
that is just awful. There are very few pros out there that make normal workout videos anymore. It's guys like branch who bounce crazy weights all over the place or guys like this who do weird looking half reps. If you were new to working out it would be confusing as all hell.
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To be fair alot of movements are pretty dodgy, behind the neck exersizes are hard on shoulder joints, upright rows can be hard wearing, flat benchpresses have ruined many shoulders too..not everybody is built to do every movement, its good to mix and match to suit your self
Drinking the kool aid I see.
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For the most part, it all went to shit in the mid to late 90s. Almost always, when I see a pic of a top pro when they were younger and lighter I wonder why they didn't just stop there with the size and maintain and work on conditioning. Nasser in like 90-91 is a perfect example of this.
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For the most part, it all went to shit in the mid to late 90s. Almost always, when I see a pic of a top pro when they were younger and lighter I wonder why they didn't just stop there with the size and maintain and work on conditioning. Nasser in like 90-91 is a perfect example of this.
Even a young Jay or even branch for that matter. Fuck, even Kamali when young.
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Phew. I am glad that we are FINALLY having this discussion. It's been a long time coming. ::)
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LABRADA WAS ONE OF THE FEW BIGGER HE GOT 'RELATIVE FOR HIM'HE MAINTAINED FREAKY CONDITION/SHAPE..HE STAYED TRUE TO HIS LOOK.
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To be fair alot of movements are pretty dodgy, behind the neck exersizes are hard on shoulder joints, upright rows can be hard wearing, flat benchpresses have ruined many shoulders too..not everybody is built to do every movement, its good to mix and match to suit your self
Solid Post.
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look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension" ::) ::)
I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/25692/80382/d/img_75341376329537.jpg)
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I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/25692/80382/d/img_75341376329537.jpg)
his chest is lagging.
He's so good that he doesn't place well.
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Huh is a great example of a bloofy fuck. Ironage past these guys never looked like bloated meatballs. Most were only weeks away from being contest ready year round. Huh lacks that density I was talking about.
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I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/25692/80382/d/img_75341376329537.jpg)
Is he guest posing in that shot? lol. He looks like shit. Not one vein to be seen. As El Diablo Blanco stated, he just looks like an oversized meatball. Looks bloofy. No detail, no real separation. Legs look like shit.
Come on dude, this really doesn't work for him. The drugs work for him.
As stated, it only works for him because of the amount of drugs he is on. I mean, did you ever see arnold training like this? could arnold have looked like he did using half reps? Of course, most pros could use half reps and still look awesome. But a lot of pros prefer to train hard and the correct way.
His training methods just signifies an overall lack of effort in the gym and an overreliance on drugs, compared to the earlier bodybuilders. You know how many of todays bodybuilders use this "half rep" bullshit. Its definitely an interesting correlation between training like shit and the abuse of drugs. Its like, as the drug use increased, training hard decreased.
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
(http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/LcK/75X/LcK75Xpca.jpeg)
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Yeah, too bad he is slamming a shit ton of gear. No matter how he looks, its still a pathetic excuse for a workout. Arnold would never be caught dead training that badly. Or any guy from the early 2000's or earlier.
Of course its easy to say, "its the way he looks," but maybe if he trained harder and the right way, he wouldn't have to destroy his body to the extent that he is. Drugs are totally carrying him. Sad. Of course drugs carry all bodybuilders, but you can definitely tell a difference in physique wise by those who train right. And its not like he is placing that high either. If he was winning every contest he competed in, then it may matter. But hes not.
He trains unconventional but that's no reason for me to say it's 'bad' or 'lazy' training, simply because there's no such thing as one specific single regimen that works.
Winning a show is based on much more than someones training or drug protocol.
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He trains unconventional but that's no reason for me to say it's 'bad' or 'lazy' training, simply because there's no such thing as one specific single regimen that works.
Winning a show is based on much more than someones training or drug protocol.
No, dude, he trains lazy lol. This is not even unconventional. He is barely completing reps. Its called weightlifting, because you're supposed to lift the weight. :) :) :D :D
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Hmmm...We are about to witness the birth of a new word.
Schmoetocol. The absolute most important part of a top (or depending upon preference, "bottom") bodybuilder in today's highly competitive Arena of the Ahnus.
The Weider Private Principals (autocorrect tried to change it to "Weirder") were the foundation, the bedrock if you will, upon which today's modern Schmoetocols are based.
Schmoetocols. The most important asspect of a championship lifestyle.
The creativity is still strong I see, are you on drugs or using Weider's Instinctive Prototroll? :D
No, dude, he trains lazy lol. This is not even unconventional. He is barely completing reps. Its called weightlifting, because you're supposed to lift the weight. :) :) :D :D
I've seen halva reps, quarter reps, but no one else performing octo reps. I'm far from dogmatic when it comes to training; the goal should be hypertrophy, and there are multiple ways to reach that goal.
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Made it 2:45 into that video. That's possible the longest I've ever been able to watch any of the new pros on video. Seems like a good dude.
Every single rep, even the super light warm ups, a half rep? It's clearly working for him.
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The creativity is still strong I see, are you on drugs or using Weider's Instinctive Prototroll? :D
I've seen halva reps, quarter reps, but no one else performing octo reps. I'm far from dogmatic when it comes to training; the goal should be hypertrophy, and there are multiple ways to reach that goal.
I wonder why pros back in the 70s, 80s, 90s didnt train this way. I mean, if you can get huge by doing "half reps (hell those werent even half reps), why doesn't more pros do them? And please, do not say because it wouldnt work for them lol. I guess Jason's genetics are sooooo great that he can get huge from doing half reps. :o :o
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LOL! At around 2 minutes in he states, "And I'm five-nine, goddamit! Not five -hree. Not four-three. Not five-six..."
This fat fuck can't even breath just sitting there. What an athlete.
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Is he guest posing in that shot? lol. He looks like shit. Not one vein to be seen. As El Diablo Blanco stated, he just looks like an oversized meatball. Looks bloofy. No detail, no real separation. Legs look like shit.
Come on dude, this really doesn't work for him. The drugs work for him.
As stated, it only works for him because of the amount of drugs he is on. I mean, did you ever see arnold training like this? could arnold have looked like he did using half reps? Of course, most pros could use half reps and still look awesome. But a lot of pros prefer to train hard and the correct way.
His training methods just signifies an overall lack of effort in the gym and an overreliance on drugs, compared to the earlier bodybuilders. You know how many of todays bodybuilders use this "half rep" bullshit. Its definitely an interesting correlation between training like shit and the abuse of drugs. Its like, as the drug use increased, training hard decreased.
No he is just fat. In poor condition. Likely is refusing diuretics as well. Perception reality, maybe I see it different, but in my eyes that is classic bodybuilding with todays size. No insane oil bags, huge arms, back, shoulders are a bit oversized, chest is good. A legit 32" waist on stage.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o2zG9B0mz5Y/TuItfHR48UI/AAAAAAAAZjE/ljE77FOP5lc/s1600/_PB10430wtmk_SZFWYNYSGO.JPG)
I "train" (oh brother) somewhat similar to Jason now a days. Lightweights, high reps, my rep range is better than his; but still miles away from full lockout. I understand my muscles now, when they are working in their effective range, how to increase the pump, etc etc.
Go hammer out a set of 10 slow full rep bicep curls with the 40's.
Then go hammer out a set of 15 fast rep constant tension curls with the 25's.
Protip: the latter will be more brutal ;)
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look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension" ::) ::)
If you knew anything about training and current science you would know that "full reps" often waste a ton of energy on movement that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for actual muscle growth... But that's why I am 245 pretty fucking shredded and you are - well you looked in a mirror today so you know the disappointment. - lol
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Yeah, too bad he is slamming a shit ton of gear. No matter how he looks, its still a pathetic excuse for a workout. Arnold would never be caught dead training that badly. Or any guy from the early 2000's or earlier.
Of course its easy to say, "its the way he looks," but maybe if he trained harder and the right way, he wouldn't have to destroy his body to the extent that he is. Drugs are totally carrying him. Sad. Of course drugs carry all bodybuilders, but you can definitely tell a difference in physique wise by those who train right. And its not like he is placing that high either. If he was winning every contest he competed in, then it may matter. But hes not.
You really are an ignorant fucker... There were guys abusing INSANE amounts of gear in the 70's and 80's - hell I trained with guys in the 90's that were big time pros from the 80's and a few couldn't believe I used so little.. I just am fortunate to not need much.. Admittedly back then I had a "job" that was not conducive to being extremely large by bodybuilding standards.. You fools would be "queerly appalled" by the things that are actually encouraged of our operators.. Lol - I guess I come to this place to remind me how fucked up so many of the weak are...
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If you knew anything about training and current science you would know that "full reps" often waste a ton of energy on movement that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for actual muscle growth... But that's why I am 245 pretty fucking shredded and you are - well you looked in a mirror today so you know the disappointment. - lol
You fucking beast!!!
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You really are an ignorant fucker... There were guys abusing INSANE amounts of gear in the 70's and 80's - hell I trained with guys in the 90's that were big time pros from the 80's and a few couldn't believe I used so little.. I just am fortunate to not need much.. Admittedly back then I had a "job" that was not conducive to being extremely large by bodybuilding standards.. You fools would be "queerly appalled" by the things that are actually encouraged of our operators.. Lol - I guess I come to this place to remind me how fucked up so many of the weak are...
It keeps me up at night that I am ignorant about training and steroid use. Sometimes I wish I knew more. I do read a lot of Flex Magazines to increase my knowledge about training, but that is not working. I was thinking about calling Charles Glass to receive some pointers. It really is bothersome that I have remained ignorant about training and drug use all these years. It keeps me awake at night.
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If you knew anything about training and current science you would know that "full reps" often waste a ton of energy on movement that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for actual muscle growth... But that's why I am 245 pretty fucking shredded and you are - well you looked in a mirror today so you know the disappointment. - lol
Would you say that you are "about 250 @ 8%"? Because that would be something to see.
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Would you say that you are "about 250 @ 8%"? Because that would be something to see.
Haha.
I know of another poster who made these outlandish claims.
Sadly he is off on business.
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Sadly he is off on business.
In Dubai? INDIA?
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I wonder why pros back in the 70s, 80s, 90s didnt train this way. I mean, if you can get huge by doing "half reps (hell those werent even half reps), why doesn't more pros do them? And please, do not say because it wouldnt work for them lol. I guess Jason's genetics are sooooo great that he can get huge from doing half reps. :o :o
I've got a good read for you "Reps!" from Robert Kennedy. Back in the day you've had unorthodox training styles as well, and BTW, someone like Sergio Oliva was known for his partial reps, and more recent, Ronnie as well.
A full ROM isn't the 'holy grail', only iron-fundamentalists think that way...
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In Dubai? INDIA?
Bien sûr.
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Forillagorilla sounds like The trainer second coming. All talk.
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Huh is a great example of a bloofy fuck. Ironage past these guys never looked like bloated meatballs. Most were only weeks away from being contest ready year round. Huh lacks that density I was talking about.
BINGO> Trying to maintain too much size reduces the muscle quality.
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Forillagorilla sounds like The trainer second coming. All talk.
That's my guess too.
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You really are an ignorant fucker... There were guys abusing INSANE amounts of gear in the 70's and 80's - hell I trained with guys in the 90's that were big time pros from the 80's and a few couldn't believe I used so little.. I just am fortunate to not need much.. Admittedly back then I had a "job" that was not conducive to being extremely large by bodybuilding standards.. You fools would be "queerly appalled" by the things that are actually encouraged of our operators.. Lol - I guess I come to this place to remind me how fucked up so many of the weak are...
Hey trainer, how ya been?
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" Most were only weeks away from being contest ready year round "
I would say 3 months away (-).
One thing people don't realize is the 60'-70' bodybuilders didn't train year round. Three months before a contest they trained very regularly, 6 times per week for some, 2 or 3 hours each session. Here in Europe the right drugs combinaison was (Dianabol + Primo). You could find this quality medical combo in every pharmacy. And you were legally allowed to buy and use them with a prescription. With training and diet, you could gain quality weight and strength very quickly.
The rest of the year, bodybuilders didn't train at all. Some were training but just 2 or 3 times per week, 20 to 40' each session. They didn't take drugs. And they were losing body weight.
In the 80', HGH has been added to the arsenal. This drug marked the beginning of the end.
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" Most were only weeks away from being contest ready year round "
I would say 3 months away (-).
One thing people don't realize is the 60'-70' bodybuilders didn't train year round. Three months before a contest they trained very regularly, 6 times per week for some, 2 or 3 hours each session. Here in Europe the right drugs combinaison was (Dianabol + Primo). You could find this quality medical combo in every pharmacy. And you were legally allowed to buy and use them with a prescription. With training and diet, you could gain quality weight and strength very quickly.
The rest of the year, bodybuilders didn't train at all. Some were training but just 2 or 3 times per week, 20 to 40' each session. They didn't take drugs. And they were losing body weight.
In the 80', HGH has been added to the arsenal. This drug marked the beginning of the end.
plus true offseasons gain size/rip it back ,grand prix tours,more prize money/more shows.more reasons to stay on...
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Likely just insulin.
Oh, and synthol.
Oh, and mega calories.
Oh, and all the other extreme shit they're putting in their bodies.
Oh, and who cares.
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Likely just insulin.
Oh, and synthol.
Oh, and mega calories.
Oh, and all the other extreme shit they're putting in their bodies.
Oh, and who cares.
there are a few guys today who are impressive and with all the above u mentioned still look pretty good for todays standard,but I would still one to look frank zane or close to it more than anything,,,,
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I think when you look at a Reg Park MR Britain 1949 as far as i know his first win (correct me if i´m wrong Local Hero) then he had very dense muscle and with very basic but hard training. I do think though that some exercises like press behind the neck do cause harm for some. depends as Gironda put it.. "one mans meat is another mans poison"
Used to love behind the neck presses. They were very effective for building muscle, but I have no doubt they played an instrumental role in fucking up my rotators. For people that can do them, more power to them!
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Nah, it's the reliance on drugs, not the exercises. Back in the day, it took superior genetics to be a champion. Nowadays, guys with average genetics simply use more drugs to combat their average joe genes because they believe they can still be a champ. It's delusion at its finest.
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I believe the bottom line is that these guys are lazy and are not interested in building a golden age physique, they just want to be the biggest meatball there is, no matter the cost to their life or organs. Which can be classified as mental illness. It is no longer an art form but a freak show.
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/vintage/ReevesSteve_4.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/styles/node_image/public/big-ramy-1-Mamdouh-Big-Ramy-Elssbiay.JPG?itok=dVHrgZAy)
Great post, but I would have used a shot of Branch for comparison instead of Ramy. Ramy is one of the only pros today that combines freaky size with a small waist and good aesthetics. I know he'll probably fuck it up, but if he just hones his physique and stops trying to put on more size, he could be one of the greats. Like I said though, he'll most likely fuck it up.
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I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/25692/80382/d/img_75341376329537.jpg)
Actually, Huh looks great in this shot. Legs are a bit overpowering, but his overall aesthetics are very good.
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I agree with the statements being made that as a whole, bodybuilders seem much lazier in their training these days then in years past. Jason Huh in that video looks like he would be better suited at a barbecue with a cold one in his hand rather than being at a gym. No intensity whatsoever.
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I agree with the statements being made that as a whole, bodybuilders seem much lazier in their training these days then in years past. Jason Huh in that video looks like he would be better suited at a barbecue with a cold one in his hand rather than being at a gym. No intensity whatsoever.
less to do with types of training more to do with
mega dosign hgh and slin
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Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.
In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them. They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment. The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled. Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in. Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.
Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.
it's purely the drugs.
your body doesn't know the difference between a round plate with a hole in in it, or a square plate attached to a cable. 80 pounds is 80 pounds
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I'm still new to this part, but are people not using Dianabol and Primo anymore? At least it seems when I read about stacks and such I never see them mentioned.
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Used to love behind the neck presses. They were very effective for building muscle, but I have no doubt they played an instrumental role in fucking up my rotators. For people that can do them, more power to them!
Sometimes I wonder if the bench press by it's inherent limited range of motion that it makes everyone's shoulders so inflexible that the behind the neck press causes tears. I used the behind the neck press for decades and never had a shoulder issue. When I turned 55 I started having severe shoulder problems. I did all the various rotator cuff exercises and they helped. What really helped is when I started using various shoulder/pec flexibility exercises. Suddenly I could use presses behind my neck all the way to the traps and back again. I think at least for me is that tight shoulders/pecs that the bench causes for everyone would cause tears when an exercise like press behind the neck was used because you need flexibility to do he movement.
I'm no doctor and listen to your own. In the history of bodybuilding the bench press is a relatively new exercise. Maybe 80 years? Sometime I believe there would a lot more healthy shoulders and rotator cuffs if the main pec exercise was push ups. Probably a lot more ripped and better shaped pecs too.
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I'm still new to this part, but are people not using Dianabol and Primo anymore? At least it seems when I read about stacks and such I never see them mentioned.
people not using dbal???
LOL! Tonnes of threads with guys asking if it's a good first cycle to which they never listen to the advice of not doing it, lol...
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Guess I haven't noticed. I usually see Tren, Test, or even HGH questions. I'm a schmoe I mean fan of the old school 70s physiques so that's what I always try to shoot for.
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Guess I haven't noticed. I usually see Tren, Test, or even HGH questions. I'm a schmoe I mean fan of the old school 70s physiques so that's what I always try to shoot for.
thats because you dont need to ask questions about dbol. you just eat 10 tabs of it a day and be done. ;)
dbol is probably the most widespread AAS ever with test...
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Bam
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Sometimes I wonder if the bench press by it's inherent limited range of motion that it makes everyone's shoulders so inflexible that the behind the neck press causes tears. I used the behind the neck press for decades and never had a shoulder issue. When I turned 55 I started having severe shoulder problems. I did all the various rotator cuff exercises and they helped. What really helped is when I started using various shoulder/pec flexibility exercises. Suddenly I could use presses behind my neck all the way to the traps and back again. I think at least for me is that tight shoulders/pecs that the bench causes for everyone would cause tears when an exercise like press behind the neck was used because you need flexibility to do he movement.
I'm no doctor and listen to your own. In the history of bodybuilding the bench press is a relatively new exercise. Maybe 80 years? Sometime I believe there would a lot more healthy shoulders and rotator cuffs if the main pec exercise was push ups. Probably a lot more ripped and better shaped pecs too.
Good post Rich. still think Decline Bench and Dips are better than Flat bench. press behind neck is an exercise i have never liked. push ups are great and under rated. As you have wrote before Rich most do partial reps on benches with way too heavy weight. partial reps have their place in training when you are advanced but not in the beginning.
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whats even worse is that he is out of breath lol
you have to give Huh credit
look @ the size of his cranios :o