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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-proposes-idea-two-free-years-community-college-012142866.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama wants to make two years of community college free and universally available, a proposal he said on Thursday he would flesh out in his State of the Union speech later this month.
White House officials acknowledged the plan would come with a significant price tag but declined to disclose projected costs, saying those details would come in Obama's budget on Feb. 2.
"Put simply, what I'd like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for everybody's who is willing to work for it," Obama said in a video message released by the White House.
The idea would require the Republican-controlled Congress to pass legislation so that the federal government could pay for 75 percent of tuition, with participating state governments having to pick up the rest of the tab.
I wonder if he realizes that it really isnt free and will only serve to increase the cost of college, probably not as economics isnt his best area
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Hooray! Two years of free community college. That will fix everything.
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'Free' ::)
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Awesome, so taxes can go towards some dumbass nig nog going to disrupt a classroom of students.
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Awesome, so taxes can go towards some dumbass nig nog going to disrupt a classroom of students.
I believe the politically correct term is pavement ape.
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I believe the politically correct term is pavement ape.
Whhhhoooooo!!! So going to steal that.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/us/politics/obama-proposes-free-community-college-education-for-some-students.html?emc=edit_na_20150108&nlid=64767382&_r=0
FNG retarted
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Ridiculous reasoning of income inequality. Guess Obama saw that blacks have the highest default rates for student loans and didn't want to burden them with debt obligations. ::) Regardless of income students are approved for a loan through Sallie Mae. Only loan that requires a credit check is a Plus loan.
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I don't think the word "free" means what he thinks it means.
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I don't think the word "free" means what he thinks it means.
I get ya. But as long as the intended recipient is not paying, then it's free in his eyes. :-X
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I think its an awesome idea.
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I think its an awesome idea.
What makes it a good idea?
It's not. He already screwed up health care. First, school costs are already inflated. Plus, students are already approved for loans to attend school through the government. A price ceiling on community college tuition rates for first year students would have helped rather than just giving the seats away. Those that attend school that pay for it themselves have a better appreciation of the work they put in and wish to get out of it.
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I think its an awesome idea.
You would.
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sort of ... "if you like your health insurance you can keep it..."
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I think its an awesome idea.
>:(
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Who is going to pay for this?
I doubt this happens anyway, because Congress has to pass legisla . . .
Never mind. :-\
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wouldn't surprise me one bit to see congress go along with this pandering crap.
Obama just nailed down 5 million new Dem voters with amnesty.
Now he wants another 3-4 million new "college freshman" votes. Super.
He keeps on giving out free shit, getting more and more people on the government teet. And nobody will impeach his ass.
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Obama just nailed down 5 million new Dem voters with amnesty.
You say some of the most naïve, uninformed stuff I've ever heard.
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You say some of the most naïve, uninformed stuff I've ever heard.
LOL @ you defending obama on amnesty. After you defended amnesty.
You're a rino dude. And the base repubs, they're starting to see you're just as bad as a liberal.
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People who want the government to pay for their education should enlist in the Army. Pay their dues, learn respect, honor, responsibility.
Ask not what their country can do for them but what they can do for their country. Ridiculous.
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LOL @ you defending obama on amnesty. After you defended amnesty.
You're a rino dude. And the base repubs, they're starting to see you're just as bad as a liberal.
lol. You are a lying liar.
How exactly did you calculate "5 million new Dem voters"? I assume you and your family (all Obama voters) are included that five million.
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People who want the government to pay for their education should enlist in the Army. Pay their dues, learn respect, honor, responsibility.
Ask not what their country can do for them but what they can do for their country. Ridiculous.
I agree.
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Networks Push 'Free Community College,' No Interest in Actual Cost
By Scott Whitlock | January 9, 2015
All three networks on Friday hyped Barack Obama's call for "free community college," but CBS, NBC and ABC offered very little skepticism about the cost or feasability of such a proposal. Instead, Today news reader Natalie Morales sounded like a press release, enthusing, "Relief could be on the way for college students facing skyrocketing tuition costs. President Obama said Thursday night that he would like to see the first two years of community college free for everybody who is willing to work for it."
Earlier, she murmured, "Community college for free?" On CBS This Morning, Bill Plante just regurgitated why this announcement was a good move for the White House: "The idea behind laying this out today is to preview the State of the Union message, which is designed to propose alternatives to the agendas of the Republican-controlled Congress."
It wasn't until the very end of the segment that Plante quickly offered what should be an important point: "But so far the administration is not saying what this would cost."
Instead, he included two clips of Barack Obama talking up the vague proposal in a Facebook video. It was only on ABC's Good Morning America that Amy Robach noted, "Critics say such a plan is almost impossible politically, especially with no specific price tag." But that segment was only 23 seconds.
Today offered two reports amounting to 46 seconds. The best Morales could do was to explain, "Administration officials didn't provide many details about where the money would come from..."
It's not as though there aren't questions to ask. Forbes.com offered a few:
Will direct federal funding compel community colleges to improve? Free college proponents have argued that since the feds are kicking in money directly, they’ll have more power to push community colleges to get better. This seems to be the thought process behind the requirement that colleges adopt “promising evidence-based institutional reforms” (which sounds an awful lot like Race to the Top).
The assumption here is that the feds will be able to drive community college improvement if they hold the purse strings. Again, I’m skeptical. To be sure, policymakers could conceivably control tuition prices through funding formulas and fiat. But they will have a much more difficult time ensuring that institutions provide a quality education at the price they charge. The federal Title 1 program in K-12 has struggled to improve underperforming public schools, even with the expansive accountability provisions of No Child Left Behind.
Will federal bureaucrats have an easier time raising student achievement in community colleges?
“Free tuition” won’t change how much it costs to deliver higher education, which will continue to increase. A public option would change who pays for higher education, but not necessarily how much it costs to provide it. Economists argue that traditional higher education is like other service industries: because the product consists of interaction with highly educated labor in small groups, it is difficult to raise productivity. As wages rise in the rest of the economy, colleges must pay employees more even though their output doesn’t increase, leading to higher costs.
Simply shifting who pays the bill will do little to change the bill itself. So while additional federal investments might cover the cost of a free public option today, those same sums won’t go as far next year or the year after unless colleges also make changes to their cost structure. Taxpayers would have to foot an increasingly large bill.
CNN on Friday didn't cover the new proposal, but Un Nuevo Dia on the Spanish language channel Telemundo did. Host Nedia Sandoval echoed the American reports, promoting "Meanwhile, President Barack Obama announced he's working on a proposal which will permit that the Community Universities of higher education will be free for those who are willing to work for it in the United States."
A transcript of the January 9 CBS This Morning segment is below:
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CBS GRAPHIC: Free Community College? Obama Plan Aims to Provide Two Years of Tuition
NORAH O'DONNELL: President Obama will announce a plan this morning for free community college. The goal is to make college, college education, more assessable. The proposal is a preview of this months' State of the Union. It would use a combination of federal and state funding to cover the first two years for costs for many students. Bill Plante is at the White House with the plan. Bill, good morning.
BILL PLANTE: Good morning. Well, the President unveils this today in Tennessee where – is a state is already committed to the idea. To do this nationally would take legislation and approval from the Republican-led Congress and the White House knows that's a high hurdle. But the President is pitching the idea as a pathway to college education.
BARACK OBAMA: Put simply, what I'd like to do is see the first two years of community college free for everybody's who's willing to work for it.
PLANTE: The White House is hoping to ease the financial burden cost of college tuition for an estimated nine million students. The proposal would wave the first two full years of tuition for full-time and half-time students who maintain at least a 2.5 grade point average. The Department of Labor says people with a two year degree earn about $20,000 more per year than those with only a high school diploma. Almost 90 percent of Tennessee high school seniors have applied to a new program called Tennessee Promise, which would cover tuition for those applying to community or tech colleges. The state says they have received over 57,000 applications. One of the requirements, eight hours of community service before classes begin.
BILL HASLAM: Tennessee will be the very first state in the country to make that guarantee to its people.
PLANTE: Tennessee's Republican Governor Bill Haslam says the state will use an estimated $34 million a year from federal aid and lottery sales to pay for it. The White House proposal says that federal funding will cover three quarter of the average cost for students and that states will pick up the rest of the tab.
BARACK OBAMA: It's something that we can accomplish and it's something that will train our work force so we can compete with anybody in the world.
PLANTE: The idea behind laying this out today is to preview the State of the Union message, which is designed to propose alternatives to the agendas of the Republican-controlled Congress. But so far the administration is not saying what this would cost.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/01/09/networks-push-free-community-college-no-interest-actual-cost#sthash.4eI9PIxI.dpuf
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Hooray! Two years of free community college. That will fix everything.
FNG retarted
What makes it a good idea?
wouldn't surprise me one bit to see congress go along with this pandering crap.
Obama just nailed down 5 million new Dem voters with amnesty.
Now he wants another 3-4 million new "college freshman" votes. Super.
Call it a very shrewd investment in society. The states need to up the endowments in their state universities as well.
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How exactly did you calculate "5 million new Dem voters"? I assume you and your family (all Obama voters) are included that five million.
Obama Goes It Alone, Shielding Up To 5 Million Immigrants From Deportation
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/20/365519963/obama-will-announce-relief-for-up-to-5-million-immigrants
FIVE MILLION. And the motherfvckers have been BREAKING THE LAW just by being here, so as criminals, they will vote democrat.
What about this don't you understand? ???
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What makes it a good idea?
It's not. He already screwed up health care. First, school costs are already inflated. Plus, students are already approved for loans to attend school through the government. A price ceiling on community college tuition rates for first year students would have helped rather than just giving the seats away. Those that attend school that pay for it themselves have a better appreciation of the work they put in and wish to get out of it.
Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs. No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap. I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.
Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY. BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
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I think its an awesome idea.
Of course you would since you never think anything through.
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Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs. No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap. I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.
Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY. BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
You are a liar. Crapcare is not reducing healthcare cost. It has been proven again and again.
You are one of the libtards that avoided the thread I opened exposing how bad crapcare legislation really is, but instead of letting yourself be educated on that subject you chose to continue to spew non-sense and lies. Not only that but by your first sentence you manage to show that the failureinchied lied when he stated that EVERY FAMILY WOULD SAVE $1200 ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.
Let me re-post what you and the rest of the libtards on this board couldn't dispute:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=562585.0
There is nothing in the crapcare legislation that does anything to bring the cost of healthcare down.
33% of Americans delay medical treatment due to costs.
Deductible for less expensive plan under crapcare is $100 more this year than last year.
Average premium increased by another 3%. A sign that crapcare will not cut health insurance costs by $1200 per family as the failureinchief promised.
Hospitals and medical device makers are making more money, but the taxpayer is paying more.
IT IS A BROKEN SYSTEM AND CRAPCARE DOES NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, TO FIX IT.
The truth about crapcare:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/05/health_care_expert_steven_brill_on_obamacare_everybody_is_happy_except_the_taxpayer.html
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Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY. BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
So you are for increasing taxes on anyone making less than $250k. So much for that "presidential" promise. But that was broken on the first day when payroll taxes increased and crapcare was passed. Wasn't it.
HEHEHEHEEH!!! So much for dumocrats looking out for the middle class.
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6 reasons the math on Obama’s college plan doesn’t add up
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/09/252584_6-reasons-the-math-on-obamas-college.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
The price tag
It would cost $60 billion over 10 years. White House officials wouldn’t say where they’d find the billions to pay for it. And the spending would have to be approved by Congress, where Republicans just gained seats in midterm elections after campaigning against more federal spending.
Administration officials say they’ll indicate where the money will come from when Obama releases his budget proposal Feb. 2. “Without details to review, this plan is more like a talking point,” said Cory Fritz, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.
The national debt
In December, the national debt reached $18 trillion, sparking renewed criticism from fiscal conservatives about the increase in government spending. Obama touted the declining federal budget deficit when he spoke in Knoxville on Friday, but he didn’t mention that the debt continues to increase.
“Why stop there?” Republican Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said. “Why not have the government buy a car and a house for everyone?”
The states
While the federal government would pick up 75 percent of the tab, the final quarter would come from states that opt into the program. The states, which have already slashed funding for colleges and universities as they face budget shortfalls and competing priorities, would have to cut other programs to pay for the cost or to raise taxes.
The students
The program would provide aid to some students who don’t need it, instead of focusing on low-income students through, for example, expanding Pell Grants or reducing the paperwork for student aid. Administration officials estimate that 9 million students could participate if they attend at least half-time, maintain 2.5 GPAs and make progress toward completing degrees or certificate programs.
“Making tuition free for all students regardless of their income is a missed opportunity to focus resources on the students who need aid the most,” said the Institute for College Access & Success, which usually sides with the Obama administration.
The emphasis
The lure of free tuition might lead some students who should go straight to four-year institutions to attend community colleges instead. (SO MUCH FOR A MORE EDUCATED SOCIETY)
“Why support community college instead of college?” asked Russ Whitehurst, a former official at the Department of Education who now heads the Brown Center on Education Policy at the Brookings Institution, a center-left policy research center.
The regulations
States and community colleges would have to abide by certain rules to get the federal money. For example, states would have to agree not to cut higher education funding elsewhere to pay for the proposal.
Community colleges would have to offer programs that transfer to public four-year colleges or lead to degrees and certificates that are in demand among employers, and implement programs that would improve student achievements.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/09/252584_6-reasons-the-math-on-obamas-college.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
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...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
you do realize that when these people do get into the work force and become "PROFITABLE" they will be working for corporations or building corporations for others to work at?
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Since most Obama voters pay zero taxes - they don't think they will have to pay for this either.
Remember - 95'ers are usually the worst tippers on the planet right?
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Doesn't matter if community college is free. The vast majority of the dregs who are not in college now will see no reason to go anyway.
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Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs. No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap. I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.
Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY. BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
1) Don't even have the time to type out how wrong you are on healthcare
2) The world needs ditch diggers too
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1) Don't even have the time to type out how wrong you are on healthcare
2) The world needs ditch diggers too
95%ers are the dumbest among us - forgive them
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95%ers are the dumbest among us - forgive them
to be fair.... if 95% of the country are lazy fcks that make the other 5% pay for everything...
wouldn't that make them *kinda* smart, after all? lol
not moral, not right, not justified in any way... but wouldn't you agree the 1 person willing to treat the other 19 to dinner against is will... happens to be the dumbass? The 19 people sticking the steak dinner to the last guy for the check (however morally disgusting and corrupt they are) - can you really call them "dumb"?
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to be fair.... if 95% of the country are lazy fcks that make the other 5% pay for everything...
wouldn't that make them *kinda* smart, after all? lol
not moral, not right, not justified in any way... but wouldn't you agree the 1 person willing to treat the other 19 to dinner against is will... happens to be the dumbass? The 19 people sticking the steak dinner to the last guy for the check (however morally disgusting and corrupt they are) - can you really call them "dumb"?
dont you have a trailer park to patrol?
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dont you have a trailer park to patrol?
attacking the messenger? that's cool. Liberals have 51% of the nation, I think it's a terrible thing and a very big deal.
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you do realize that when these people do get into the work force and become "PROFITABLE" they will be working for corporations or building corporations for others to work at?
That depends. But we need to catch up with China and other countries on education and they do it by having free education. You simply can't function as a society and be competitive if education is inaccessible and unaffordable. A doctor stuck with with over a quarter million in student fees....leads to them more likely to sell out to pharmaceutical companies to pay their bills
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to be fair.... if 95% of the country are lazy fcks that make the other 5% pay for everything...
That's why we need a flat tax.
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That depends. But we need to catch up with China and other countries on education and they do it by having free education. You simply can't function as a society and be competitive if education is inaccessible and unaffordable. A doctor stuck with with over a quarter million in student fees....leads to them more likely to sell out to pharmaceutical companies to pay their bills
no it certainly doesnt depend, unless you figure that they might not work at all...they will get jobs with or start business that utilize other workers....
This doesnt make higher education more affordable, you do understand that right?
More demand for a service is going to do what to the price vince, dont you own a business?
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attacking the messenger? that's cool. Liberals have 51% of the nation, I think it's a terrible thing and a very big deal.
your stupidity has progressed to far to justify a response.
Why dont you just complete your transformation and become jim lahey already
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I think its an awesome idea.
Of course you think so Vince.
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That's why we need a flat tax.
i'm intrigued by the idea. Has it ever worked on a national scale before?
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Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs. No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap. I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.
Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY. BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
Here's a little sobering fact for you that personally happend to my mom just last week. She took a fall while on her daily walk. She tripped going up a curb. Face planted onto the concrete. Bruised the bridge of her nose, two huge bumps on her head, swollen knee all while on blood thinners. Do you know how in danger an older person is on blood thinners with head trauma? Long story short, after 71/2 hours in the ER she got up and left. When I confronted admissions I was told most of this was due to the new healthcare that started on the first. This was not some fucking county hospital although you would have thought it was. I called around to three other area hospitals and it was the same thing. Finally we went home and took her to an urgent care the next morning. It's bullshit and people like you who voted for this bullshit deserve all the responsibility for being too fucking stupid to realize what obama was doing from the get go. And oh, last week I said my insurance was going to double, i was wrong, it almost tripled. I thought it going to be around$1000. The final quite was 1223.00.
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Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs. No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap. I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.
Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY. BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
After reading this in its entirety I've came to the conclusion you're delusional.
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Some injuries it's best now to just call an ambulance and get minor treatment.
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There is one thing that the left keeps forgetting ... the government does earn, create or make money. They have to steal it from its citizens. Like everything free ... it will have no value. This will become a cluster fuck of waste and inefficiency. So, if an AA has no value and everyone has one ... isn't that called high school.
Once again, Obama is a dreaming fool with no leadership skills at all. He is the worst president in the modern history of our country.
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LOL - Obama is borrowing another idea from a Republican
http://chronicle.com/article/Tennessee-Governor-Proposes/144399/
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There is one thing that the left keeps forgetting ... the government does earn, create or make money. They have to steal it from its citizens. Like everything free ... it will have no value. This will become a cluster fuck of waste and inefficiency. So, if an AA has no value and everyone has one ... isn't that called high school.
Once again, Obama is a dreaming fool with no leadership skills at all. He is the worst president in the modern history of our country.
Damn, you have an incredibly erudite and nuanced view of how governments operate in the modern world
That's why I love this board
We attract the real political scholars and deep thinker to share such brilliant insights as yours
Of course the government does nothing to help create and facilitate stable and secure economies and provide necessary goods and services
That's why our model should really be something like Somalia or something like that where they don't steal from their citizens with silly things like taxes. That's why they are such a flourishing economy and everyone wants to live there
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LOL - Obama is borrowing another idea from a Republican
http://chronicle.com/article/Tennessee-Governor-Proposes/144399/
not quite this was instituted at the state level, not the federal level. The Tennessee reps already said it should be a state level program...
so not quite but nice try there ;)
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not quite this was instituted at the state level, not the federal level. The Tennessee reps already said it should be a state level program...
so not quite but nice try there ;)
Jesus christ - you mean the governor of Tennessee didn't propose back in February of 2014 that the the federal government should create a plan to offer free community college education
Is that what I said in my post or is it just your retarded brain who interpreted it that way?
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Jesus christ - you mean the governor of Tennessee didn't propose back in February of 2014 that the the federal government should create a plan to offer free community college education
Is that what I said in my post or is it just your retarded brain who interpreted it that way?
you realize youre wasting your time debating someone who NEVER EVER admits he's wrong and NEVER EVER concedes that someone else might actually have a point...
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Jesus christ - you mean the governor of Tennessee didn't propose back in February of 2014 that the the federal government should create a plan to offer free community college education
Is that what I said in my post or is it just your retarded brain who interpreted it that way?
what you implied was a rep idea and therefor reps should be for this but what you intentionally side stepped was the fact that this is and was always meant to be a state program...
you do understand the difference between a state program and federal program even if they look very similar correct?
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what you implied was a rep idea and therefor reps should be for this but what you intentionally side stepped was the fact that this is and was always meant to be a state program...
you do understand the difference between a state program and federal program even if they look very similar correct?
really?
is and always was meant to be a state program?
says who and how does that change the fact that Obama borrowed this idea from a Republican Governor (sound familiar)?