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From the MD site:
Six-time Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates was given the nickname “the Shadow” by MD’s Peter McGough in 1986 because his massive physique would cast a shadow over his competitors, and also because Dorian always kept in the shadows he wasn’t like other up-and-coming competitors who would attend every large bodybuilding show to network and schmooze with people in the industry; he was never seen unless he was competing. There was an element of mystery about Dorian: he didn’t say a lot, so he always kept the other competitors guessing what was going on inside his head – and what were the machinations behind Dorian’s enduring dominance.
Fans of Dorian and other iconic bodybuilders have also wondered about the amount of PEDs (performance-enhancing drugs) used by pros who reached the heights of competitive success. In this month’s MD, Dorian Yates bravely comes forward to set the record straight in an exclusive MD round table with the top three muscle legends of the 90’s – Dorian Yates, Shawn Ray, and Kevin Levrone – in Part 1 of a ground breaking, MD exclusive “The Real Dope on Bodybuilding!”
When it comes to the stacks used by some of the biggest pros used by some of the biggest pros in professional bodybuilding, there is a ton of lies and misinformation published on the internet. “the cycles I have seen posted that I supposedly did – they were all bullshit. Who knows what I used? Even my wife at times didn’t,” Dorian tells MD’s Ron Harris.
Dorian’s steroid use is explored in greater detail by Daniel Gwartney, M.D. in this month’s Fat Attack column, “The Dorian Era: the science behind the stack”. What may surprise many readers is that Dorian’s drug use, as well as Kevin Levrone’s and Shawn Ray’s was much simpler and more rational than the “more is better” and “anything goes” attitude espoused by those who accomplished much less. The fact that Dorian has conveyed many of the tools used to achieve a physique with extremely low body fat is all the more impressive because he did so while retaining a superior amount of lean mass in comparison to most of his challengers.
Bodybuilders like Dorian Yates, as well as millions of men who pound the iron in gyms around the world, know the importance of setting goals and having a plan of action to meet those goals. “If you fail to plan, you plan to fail” is an unwritten law of bodybuilding muscle.
The rest of the book is packed to the binder as usual – with all the latest cutting-edge research on training, nutrition, fat loss, and drugs. And information on bodybuilding by the industry experts and insiders who make it all happen. This month’s issue is one of our best ever! See you next month with another great issue, our 2015 Arnold Classic Preview and training camp plus exclusive interview with the man who made the Arnold Classic possible Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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I may have to stomach the embarrassment of buying one of these mags.
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He said before it was 250-750mg test (cycled on a weekly basis I think) some pitiful amount of deca or some shit and small (max 4-6iu) GH off season. Total horsecockery but, to be honest, after seeing all these idiots mimic Bostin Lloyd's usage and remembering how stupid (reckless) I was when I was 20 or so maybe it is best pros lie about their usage in mass publications.
I have enough sense now to see a huge pro cycle and roll my eyes thinking about the consequences. At 20... 18...? Might be stupid enough to consider it.
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Do you not think its the case that to be pro you need a 'world calss response to AAS' and to be able to gain mass easily...
In other words to win local shows they probably did use minimal amounts, to win nationally a bit more and then to work through the pro ranks just dialed it up progressively.
In other words jackasses like Bostin use use boatloads just to look like a plus sized physique competitor have no chance as they just dont have the genetic ability/ AAS response to be that big.
Maybe thats what happened with Ronnie, he didnt use that much to get to the 10-15 place range in the Olympia and then when he dialed it up he exploded in a year and won, or with Wolf a few years ago, in one year when from a 5-10 competitor to a top 3...
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He said before it was 250-750mg test (cycled on a weekly basis I think) some pitiful amount of deca or some shit and small (max 4-6iu) GH off season. Total horsecockery but, to be honest, after seeing all these idiots mimic Bostin Lloyd's usage and remembering how stupid (reckless) I was when I was 20 or so maybe it is best pros lie about their usage in mass publications.
I have enough sense now to see a huge pro cycle and roll my eyes thinking about the consequences. At 20... 18...? Might be stupid enough to consider it.
Where the fuck would a 18 year old afford a pro size stack? That's a mortgage payment every month. I'm 26 and I wanted to id have to just not make a house payment and I make decent money more then most people my age.
If your 18 and your parents give you enough money to play with 5 or 6 grams a week then maybe you should end up getting hurt for being a fucking idoit
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If an average gym rat can use upwards of 3 grams of gear with very little health complications what would stop a 300 pound beast like Dorian from pushing the envelope with doses? Is he going to be morally different and say well ill only stick to these baby doses. This argument Is so stupid. Pros are psychotic about there drug use.Dorian would prob eat human shit if it made him bigger
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If an average gym rat can use upwards of 3 grams of gear with very little health complications what would stop a 300 pound beast like Dorian from pushing the envelope with doses? Is he going to be morally different and say well ill only stick to these baby doses. This argument Is so stupid. Pros are psychotic about there drug use.Dorian would prob eat human shit if it made him bigger
These guys have a completely different mind set then a gym rat. Most of these guy will do whatever they think would give them the edge. I hate to repeat that old poll that almost all Olympians would do a drug that would kill them if they where promised a gold metal. Well these guys are no different
What's so ironic about all this is I think Dorian is really the one that kicked off the massive drug use. There was large amount before him but I thibk dorain took it to that 20iu and slin level.
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Where the fuck would a 18 year old afford a pro size stack? That's a mortgage payment every month. I'm 26 and I wanted to is have to just not make a house payment and I make decent money way more then most people my age.
If your 18 and your parents give you enough money to play with 5 or 6 grand a week then maybe you should end up getting hurt for being a fucking idoit
When I was 22/23 I had over €50k disposable income per year easy, but that isn't the point. For €10k/year I'm sure you could take dire amounts of AAS (working it out I could run 5g test per week for around €2500/year, that alone should tell you it is possible to ruin health for fuck all).
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From the MD site:
Six-time Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates was given the nickname “the Shadow” by MD’s Peter McGough in 1986 because his massive physique would cast a shadow over his competitors, and also because Dorian always kept in the shadows he wasn’t like other up-and-coming competitors who would attend every large bodybuilding show to network and schmooze with people in the industry; he was never seen unless he was competing. There was an element of mystery about Dorian: he didn’t say a lot, so he always kept the other competitors guessing what was going on inside his head – and what were the machinations behind Dorian’s enduring dominance.
Fans of Dorian and other iconic bodybuilders have also wondered about the amount of PEDs (performance-enhancing drugs) used by pros who reached the heights of competitive success. In this month’s MD, Dorian Yates bravely comes forward to set the record straight in an exclusive MD round table with the top three muscle legends of the 90’s – Dorian Yates, Shawn Ray, and Kevin Levrone – in Part 1 of a ground breaking, MD exclusive “The Real Dope on Bodybuilding!”
When it comes to the stacks used by some of the biggest pros used by some of the biggest pros in professional bodybuilding, there is a ton of lies and misinformation published on the internet. “the cycles I have seen posted that I supposedly did – they were all bullshit. Who knows what I used? Even my wife at times didn’t,” Dorian tells MD’s Ron Harris.
Dorian’s steroid use is explored in greater detail by Daniel Gwartney, M.D. in this month’s Fat Attack column, “The Dorian Era: the science behind the stack”. What may surprise many readers is that Dorian’s drug use, as well as Kevin Levrone’s and Shawn Ray’s was much simpler and more rational than the “more is better” and “anything goes” attitude espoused by those who accomplished much less. The fact that Dorian has conveyed many of the tools used to achieve a physique with extremely low body fat is all the more impressive because he did so while retaining a superior amount of lean mass in comparison to most of his challengers.
Bodybuilders like Dorian Yates, as well as millions of men who pound the iron in gyms around the world, know the importance of setting goals and having a plan of action to meet those goals. “If you fail to plan, you plan to fail” is an unwritten law of bodybuilding muscle.
The rest of the book is packed to the binder as usual – with all the latest cutting-edge research on training, nutrition, fat loss, and drugs. And information on bodybuilding by the industry experts and insiders who make it all happen. This month’s issue is one of our best ever! See you next month with another great issue, our 2015 Arnold Classic Preview and training camp plus exclusive interview with the man who made the Arnold Classic possible Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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I may have to stomach the embarrassment of buying one of these mags.
Well, what the hell did he say????
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When I was 22/23 I had over €50k disposable income per year easy, but that isn't the point. For €10k/year I'm sure you could take dire amounts of AAS (working it out I could run 5g test per week for around €2500/year, that alone should tell you it is possible to ruin health for fuck all).
yeah but how old are you? kids getting out of college these days are screwed unless they went to an ivy league school. good friend of mine 28 years old with an MBA cant even get an interview after applying to dozens and dozens of jobs, many of which sh'es over qualified for. even has a fair bit of experience too. this is in the US, so many europe is different.. but hey the us is fucked in everyones book i think
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Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part.. Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday 231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.
So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000
So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food
If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible. Is it realistic? No not in the slightest
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Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part.. Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday 231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.
So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000
So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food
If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible. Is it realistic? No not in the slightest
25000 is 500 hours of personal training at 50 an hour. or maybe 750 is you pay taxes. most people can work 2000-2500 hours a year.
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yeah but how old are you? kids getting out of college these days are screwed unless they went to an ivy league school. good friend of mine 28 years old with an MBA cant even get an interview after applying to dozens and dozens of jobs, many of which sh'es over qualified for. even has a fair bit of experience too. this is in the US, so many europe is different.. but hey the us is fucked in everyones book i think
I'm 30, that was while I was in Uni doing degree and Master's degree (parents paid for Master's, degree cost me less than €400 per year (that would now be in the thousands cos Ireland was fucked for cash) - ran my own business, but couldn't do same thing as easily now, that was Celtic Tiger Ireland (I was 23 in 2007, Ireland took a nosedive and my business felt it).
Point was you could run a heavy cycle for beer money and at that age you'd be stupid/foolhardy enough.
Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part.. Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday 231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.
So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000
So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food
If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible. Is it realistic? No not in the slightest
As I said, ignore GH. You could even add IGF, some tren, oxy, masterone and come in way below €10k. Add in the fact that if you run that on a low wage job your priorities probably aren't the best so you would live at home/forego social life/steal etc.
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25000 is 500 hours of personal training at 50 an hour. or maybe 750 is you pay taxes. most people can work 2000-2500 hours a year.
Are you trying to tell me personal trainers make 100k to 150k a years???
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Are you trying to tell me personal trainers make 100k to 150k a years???
Jesus, you've derailed this thread and the point I was making.
Maybe it is better that pros lie about (understate) dosages in magazines/mass publications so impressionable and foolhardy young people don't attempt to emulate the cycles.
OK?
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or how bout this is just another sad attempt by print media to increase sales as they continue to circle the toilet. only a matter of time before all these publications are completely a thing of the past.
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He said before it was 250-750mg test (cycled on a weekly basis I think) some pitiful amount of deca or some shit and small (max 4-6iu) GH off season. Total horsecockery but, to be honest, after seeing all these idiots mimic Bostin Lloyd's usage and remembering how stupid (reckless) I was when I was 20 or so maybe it is best pros lie about their usage in mass publications.
I have enough sense now to see a huge pro cycle and roll my eyes thinking about the consequences. At 20... 18...? Might be stupid enough to consider it.
you still drink like a fish haha
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Jesus, you've derailed this thread and the point I was making.
Maybe it is better that pros lie about (understate) dosages in magazines/mass publications so impressionable and foolhardy young people don't attempt to emulate the cycles.
OK?
agree
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you still drink like a fish haha
Of course ;D
I lost weight and put on muscle didn't I? ;D Should sell my secret to the masses.
Aaron is doing a shot of mt2 beside me now and I am drinking wine. What's changed.
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Jesus, you've derailed this thread and the point I was making.
Maybe it is better that pros lie about (understate) dosages in magazines/mass publications so impressionable and foolhardy young people don't attempt to emulate the cycles.
OK?
Agreed
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Of course ;D
I lost weight and put on muscle didn't I? ;D Should sell my secret to the masses.
Aaron is doing a shot of mt2 beside me now and I am drinking wine. What's changed.
yes its quite mind racking how you did that!
just two negros hanging out then, tell Aaron to he should be proud to be ginger lol
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Where the fuck would a 18 year old afford a pro size stack? That's a mortgage payment every month. I'm 26 and I wanted to id have to just not make a house payment and I make decent money more then most people my age.
If your 18 and your parents give you enough money to play with 5 or 6 grams a week then maybe you should end up getting hurt for being a fucking idoit
The same way every other young "prodigy" did, G4P and dealing drugs
Yates made Haney retire for fear of catching palumboism so it's safe to say he took more than 750 test a week but Ron Harris is a huge bullshitter so this article will be hilarious
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The same way every other young "prodigy" did, G4P and dealing drugs
Yates made Haney retire for fear of catching palumboism so it's safe to say he took more than 750 test a week but Ron Harris is a huge bullshitter so this article will be hilarious
Ron Harris is a fan boy and deluded. I remember reading when he trained with Ronnie for the training week years back. Only now do I look back and think how weird it is he commented on the strength of the flush on Coleman's toilet cos of his "Mr O strength shits". Oh brother.
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Levrone wrote a few years back he used 500 test a week, 400 deca and some anadrol. That's it.
What bs, sorry. It's more believable if he said he did it every other day!
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Are you trying to tell me personal trainers make 100k to 150k a years???
Self employed ones...easily.
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Lee Haney was using a couple a grams a week and Weider told him what Dorian was using and it scared he shit out of Haney. Dorian is just trying to re-write history. It's the guys who say they barely used who are in most cases using the most(Dorian, Lee Priest etc)
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Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part.. Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday 231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.
So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000
So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food
If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible. Is it realistic? No not in the slightest
It's not like these guys worked jobs, many were dealing big time...So they would have endless amounts around them at all times...Or like in Jay Cutler's case and Kevin Lerone, they found a sponsors who paid for everything...
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Pfff, some solid proof here why I don't buy mags. The title is all awesome, article can't be 1/10th as exciting as what mm2k brought in the day.
FAil.
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It's not like these guys worked jobs, many were dealing big time...So they would have endless amounts around them at all times...Or like in Jay Cutler's case and Kevin Lerone, they found a sponsors who paid for everything...
Is this know facts that these two had schmoes footing the bills? I mean it would make sense and after the Kevin lerone prank call on Comedy Central is buy it!!
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Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part.. Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday 231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.
So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000
So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food
If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible. Is it realistic? No not in the slightest
you are correct sir.
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you are correct sir.
hes getting ripped off if hes paying 50 bucks for a bottle of test... you can get it for 20-30 a bottle if you look around enough
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Pfff, some solid proof here why I don't buy mags. The title is all awesome, article can't be 1/10th as exciting as what mm2k brought in the day.
FAil.
Yup, mm2k was the shit back in the 90s!!!
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hes getting ripped off if hes paying 50 bucks for a bottle of test... you can get it for 20-30 a bottle if you look around enough
For test prop? Ya I know a few places you can get it for 25-35 a bottle but that involves oversea customs all that. Most domestic ship for 40-50 for test e or prop. I'll pay the extra to have it that week no money orders or customs
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Yup, mm2k was the shit back in the 90s!!!
Not until very recently did I finally toss them out. Has read each article countless times... Feel all nostalgic now, lol...
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Problem is people think because one gym rat used 6 grams a week and didn't look that great, the pros must use more.
Anyone tried using more and more? There's a point it won't do anything. Using 5 grams a week is a waste if it makes no difference over say 1500mg
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I am not sure what is more laughable, the bs Dorian MD article or the fans who still refuse to believe ;D
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Problem is people think because one gym rat used 6 grams a week and didn't look that great, the pros must use more.
Anyone tried using more and more? There's a point it won't do anything. Using 5 grams a week is a waste if it makes no difference over say 1500mg
exactly
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I am not sure what is more laughable, the bs Dorian MD article or the fans who still refuse to believe ;D
Lets use an example. You are not consistent in training, eating, juicing. If you were like Dorian was how big would you be even without using stupid doseages. I'm not saying Dorian used nothing but i doubt he was using 4-5 grams every week year in year out. Maybe some guys like Nasser did, how are they doing? I'm sure he did more pre-contest but stupid amounts? You can't keep on doing that.
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exactly
Exactly what?... If you choose to believe he took baby doses you deserve to be laughed off the board
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Exactly what?... If you choose to believe he took baby doses you deserve to be laughed off the board
Who said that?
You guys believe because he's one of the biggest ever he MUST have used more drugs than anyone, and in no way could have used anything average. Plenty of guys just keep using more thinking they can't drop it or lose size just like permabulkers do with eating.
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Lets use an example. You are not consistent in training, eating, juicing. If you were like Dorian was how big would you be even without using stupid doseages. I'm not saying Dorian used nothing but i doubt he was using 4-5 grams every week year in year out. Maybe some guys like Nasser did, how are they doing? I'm sure he did more pre-contest but stupid amounts? You can't keep on doing that.
My brain hurts trying to make sense of what you wrote...
Its all over the place!, Nasser kept blasting after he retired and the inevitable happend, others weren't so lucky and didn't even make it past retirement
Dorian doesnt touch the doses he did whilest he was growing and competing, that's how he looks the way he does these days
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Who said that?
You guys believe because he's one of the biggest ever he MUST have used more drugs than anyone, and in no way could have used anything average. Plenty of guys just keep using more thinking they can't drop it or lose size just like permabulkers do with eating.
They all took drugs into a different level in the 90's, all of them...
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My brain hurts trying to make sense of what you wrote...
Its all over the place!, Nasser kept blasting after he retired and the inevitable happend, others weren't so lucky and didn't even make it past retirement
Dorian doesnt touch the doses he did whilest he was growing and competing, that's how he looks the way he does these days
Nasser didn't look the way he did competiting when he retired. But it's all drugs so he should right? Why did he start looking worse in 2000 when you know he was still using the same?
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His body stopped responding, he probly had already started the sickness that killed him in the end
Nasser was still 280+ with abbs until shortly before he died..
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Lets use an example. You are not consistent in training, eating, juicing. If you were like Dorian was how big would you be even without using stupid doseages. I'm not saying Dorian used nothing but i doubt he was using 4-5 grams every week year in year out. Maybe some guys like Nasser did, how are they doing? I'm sure he did more pre-contest but stupid amounts? You can't keep on doing that.
his precontest Anadrol use alone would make you question his health let alone the other compounds. He will never admit to anything close to what he used. Yes, drug usage varies depending on where he was at. These guys did not look like that because they believed in health or moderation.
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Always the same lies, and lol at Ron Harris, one of the biggest weirdo and bullshitter in the industry...
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Remember watching an interview with Dorian where he said that current female figure competitors are on more drugs than he ever was during his career. :D
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They were all on large amounts of compounds I'm sure more then others every one with respond differently the the same amount of gear. That's a fact
I really think he took the gh, insulin protocols to the next level. If I had to put money on it. Then when everyone else start jumping on the bandwagon in the 96, 97 which lead the the massive guys in the late 90's early 2000's
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I think the truth is always the best policy. But obviously most pros don't think so. If they
really wanted to "save the children" they would tell the truth. The real reason for lying is they
are ashamed and/or don't want anything to diminish their accomplishments.
Every even halfway intelligent kid would not jump on Dorian's Mr O contest stack if Dorian put it all
in context, how he progressed in his drug use and so on. Now the stupid kids instead think they should start off with Bostin's stack from the beginning because they aren't getting the full honest picture from the pros - including the mistakes made by them. Some pros have problems from their use, like damaged muscles due to site injections, if they told the truth the new generation wouldn't have to make the same mistakes.
The pros can't even get the truth from each other. They lie so much it's ridiculous.
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I think the truth is always the best policy. But obviously most pros don't think so. If they
really wanted to "save the children" they would tell the truth. The real reason for lying is they
are ashamed and/or don't want anything to diminish their accomplishments.
Every even halfway intelligent kid would not jump on Dorian's Mr O contest stack if Dorian put it all
in context, how he progressed in his drug use and so on. Now the stupid kids instead think they should start off with Bostin's stack from the beginning because they aren't getting the full honest picture from the pros - including the mistakes made by them. Some pros have problems from their use, like damaged muscles due to site injections, if they told the truth the new generation wouldn't have to make the same mistakes.
The pros can't even get the truth from each other. They lie so much it's ridiculous.
Bravo.... I thought I was loosing my senses
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Ron Harris is a fan boy and deluded. I remember reading when he trained with Ronnie for the training week years back. Only now do I look back and think how weird it is he commented on the strength of the flush on Coleman's toilet cos of his "Mr O strength shits". Oh brother.
To be fair Ron Harris was the reason I took the plunge in the first place - he wrote an article in Men's Health 10 years back under a fake name where he claimed to be a natty who turned to AAS and had amazing results. The same article is rewritten on TardNation with a slightly different ending. On version had him taking his wife down to TJ to buy AAS and smuggle it back over the border and doing all kinds of shit, I believe he may have deleted that one since he's been claiming Natural again.
he made it sound awesome so I figured why not try a modest cycle.
one big pro told us what he took and has been taking for years and it was a wee bit more than 1.5g a week ::) 30iu of gh and enough aas to turn your blood into jello
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So did anyone buy the mag to post the info here?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7KXtAmIcAAoD2q.jpg)
Dorian's way ahead of us - reading about his stack. Why hasn't it been posted up here yet?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7KXtAmIcAAoD2q.jpg)
Dorian's way ahead of us - reading about his stack. Why hasn't it been posted up here yet?
4 IU GH HANDS OF PEACE :D
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"Steroids Big Fat Lies" is that the Dorian article?