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http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-stun-grenade-drug-raid/
Not sure if this was posted at the time it happened, but I figured the hate for police has been rather low on the forums this week but this should fire it back up quickly.
Officers have since been cleared of any wrongdoing (no surprise there)
Toddler critically burned in SWAT raid
Story highlights
SWAT team entered home after informant bought methamphetamine, sheriff says
During raid, officer inadvertently threw flash-bang grenade into baby's playpen, police say
Mother tells CNN affiliate toddler is in Atlanta hospital's burn unit; doctors induced coma
Had officers known child was inside, they would've "done things different," sheriff says
Members of a northeast Georgia SWAT team are "devastated" after a drug raid in which a flash-bang grenade landed in a 1-year-old's playpen, seriously injuring the child, the Habersham County sheriff said Friday.
The police officers involved have been called baby killers and received threats following the incident, Sheriff Joey Terrell said.
"All I can say is pray for the baby, his family and for us," he told CNN.
The SWAT team, made up of six or seven officers from the sheriff's department and the Cornelia Police Department, entered the Cornelia residence Wednesday before 3 a.m.
A confidential informant hours earlier had purchased methamphetamine at the house, the sheriff says. The informant told police that there were men standing guard outside the home, and it was unclear whether they were armed, according to CNN affiliate WGCL.
Because the suspected drug dealer, Wanis Thonetheva, had a previous weapons charge, officers were issued a "no-knock warrant" for the residence, Terrell said.
When the SWAT team hit the home's front door with a battering ram, it resisted as if something was up against it, the sheriff said, so one of the officers threw the flash-bang grenade inside the residence.
Wanis Thonetheva is being held without bond.
Wanis Thonetheva is being held without bond.
Once inside the house, the SWAT team realized it was a portable playpen blocking the door, and the flash-bang grenade had landed inside where the 19-month-old was sleeping, the sheriff said.
A medic on the scene rushed the baby outside to administer first aid, and a nearby ambulance was summoned. Authorities wanted to transport the baby via Life Flight to Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital, 75 miles southwest of Cornelia, but weather conditions wouldn't allow it. The baby was driven to the hospital.
Mother: 'He didn't deserve any of this'
A Grady official said it's hospital policy not to disclose patients' conditions, but the child's mother, Alecia Phonesavanh, told CNN affiliate WSB that doctors had put her son into an induced coma.
She further told the station the family was sleeping at her sister-in-law's house when police arrived, and the grenade seared a hole through the portable playpen after exploding on the child's pillow.
"He didn't deserve any of this," Phonesavanh told WSB. "He's in the burn unit. We go up to see him and his whole face is ripped open. He has a big cut on his chest."
Thonetheva, 30, was not at the home at the time of the raid, but the toddler's mother and father and their other three children were inside. Thonetheva's mother was also at the house, Terrell said.
The baby's family had moved into the Cornelia residence after their Wisconsin home burned, Terrell told CNN affiliate WXIA, and while the family members were aware of drug activity in the home, "they kept the children out of sight in a different room while any of these going-ons were happening."
Thonetheva was arrested at another Cornelia residence, along with three other people, shortly after the raid, Terrell said. He is charged with distribution of methamphetamine. Habersham County Chief Assistant District Attorney J. Edward Staples said Thonetheva could also be charged in connection with the baby's injuries.
Thonetheva was already out on bond for an October 2013 charge of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony -- the felony being distribution of methamphetamine, Staples said.
Because the Habersham County public defender's office is representing Thonetheva's co-defendant in the October case, they are unable to represent Thonetheva on the charges handed down this week, Staples said. It will take five to seven days to appoint him a new attorney, the prosecutor estimated.
Thonetheva made his first appearance before a magistrate Friday, but no bond was set because of the circumstances regarding the public defender. The court wouldn't have accepted a plea from Thonetheva because he has yet to speak to counsel, Staples said, adding that it will be up to a county Superior Court judge to set Thonetheva's bond after he's assigned a lawyer.
He is presently being held at the Habersham County Detention Center without bond. His rap sheet shows nine arrests since 2002 and includes charges of drug possession, carrying a concealed weapon, driving while his license was withdrawn and contempt of court, according to authorities.
Thonetheva faces no weapons charge in this week's incident, and as for drugs, Terrell said officers found only residue in the home.
Incident is being reviewed
No officers have been suspended, and Staples said he expects the review of the incident -- being conducted by Mountain Judicial Circuit District Attorney Brian Rickman -- to take about a week.
Staples said he recalled no previous use-of-force investigations into the sheriff's department, though a civil suit was previously filed against a drug task force there.
Terrell said there have been no prior probes into the Cornelia Police Department.
A local pastor came to speak with the officers Thursday, the sheriff said, and his department has been in touch with the child's family.
In hindsight, Terrell said, officers would've conducted the raid differently had they known there was a child inside the home, but there was no sign of children during the alleged drug purchase that prompted the raid.
"We would obviously would have done things different," Terrell said. "We might have gone in through a side door. ... We would not have used a flash bang."
The toddler's family told WSB they have no insurance and have set up a website to collect donations for the baby's treatment.
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The parents put the baby's life in danger by having drugs in the home.....
They knew a raid could happen at anytime....bullets and grenades flying.....
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The parents put the baby's life in danger by having drugs in the home.....
They knew a raid could happen at anytime....bullets and grenades flying.....
Dealing meth out of the house his kids lived in ::). Of course his Facebook has pics of the cash he made.
While the family members were aware of drug activity in the home, "they kept the children out of sight in a different room while any of these going-ons were happening."
Wanis Thonetheva
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The parents put the baby's life in danger by having drugs in the home.....
They knew a raid could happen at anytime....bullets and grenades flying.....
Yep.
Parents fault, the police involved should sleep easy and without regret.
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Death by lethal injection.
To the parents and the other adults in the household dealing drugs in the viccinity of children.
Baby sure as hell didn't deserve it, nor did the police. Hope the children get put in foster-care at the very least, as it's obvious those that brought them into this world and are meant to be responsible for their well-being lack any sign of doing so.
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Yep.
Parents fault, the police involved should sleep easy and without regret.
Yes, but at least some empathy for the baby. Its the parents fault, but it sucks that baby has to go through that.
Here's hoping the baby is removed from the home.
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agreed. hope the baby can recover and i also feel bad for the cop trying to do his job against these assholes having to get over hurting a baby.
i would also like to know why a child in a portable play pen was up up against the FUCKING FRONT FUCKING DOOR. lol.
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I hardly ever use flash grenades around babies.
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I hardly ever use flash grenades around babies.
You're a fucking pussy, I do all the time.
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I hardly ever use flash grenades around babies.
especially in the play pen
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Yes, but at least some empathy for the baby. Its the parents fault, but it sucks that baby has to go through that.
Here's hoping the baby is removed from the home.
Yes, the second the police found out about the horrible living conditions, the baby was removed in a flash.
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The war on drugs ::). Increasing the police state to stop consenting adults from doing what they want to their bodies. Meanwhile, "this Bud's for you"!
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Yes, the second the police found out about the horrible living conditions, the baby was removed in a flash.
Poor joke. :-\ :-\
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The war on drugs ::). Increasing the police state to stop consenting adults from doing what they want to their bodies. Meanwhile, "this Bud's for you"!
Yes, but should adults be allowed to do drugs in front of children and possibly expose them to dangerous conditions? The issue is that we know with drug use comes all sorts of dangers (most likely not with marijuana) And these aren't just parents smoking weed. Im talking about hardcore drug use such as coke, meth, crack, heroine. Lets be honest, crackhead parents aren't the most fit parents and these babies often live in horrid conditions.
And don't freak out. I never said I was anti-drug when it comes to adults doing drugs. However, as stated above, we do know that many adults, especially in poor communities who do drugs, also live in bad conditions, and many of these children are exposed to physical and sexual abuse, emotional neglect, witness domestic violence. So, how do we go about making drugs legal, while still keeping children safe in these homes?
Obviously, society does its best to keep children safe by removing them from dangerous living conditions. But we can't control every household.
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You're a fucking pussy, I do all the time.
I only do it on special occasions. 4th of July, Superbowl party, etc.
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The title should read, "Incompetent meth dealing parents, inadvertently burn babies face off by inducing a swat raid."
Parent's fault, not the cops. ::)
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How many pounds of drugs did these kingpins have at the time the pigs blew off the babies face
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The war on drugs ::). Increasing the police state to stop consenting adults from doing what they want to their bodies. Meanwhile, "this Bud's for you"!
x2 ::)
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The parents put the baby's life in danger by having drugs in the home.....
They knew a raid could happen at anytime....bullets and grenades flying.....
100% truth blame the parents..I was involved in swat for a year. I only participated in 6 raids. One house it was decided that we would NOT use flash bangs. We were told that there were NO children..but still decided against. Sure enough after busting the door guess was was in the front room 2 kids that fell asleep on the couch. The were in my area of responsibility..they were obviously scared to death..i was so angry at those parents..after I quit a team member didn't use proper trigger safety and shot thru the trail or killing a woman laying on the couch..he did tho before the door was hit..my point its dangerous and one of the biggest adrenaline rushes there is..however flash bangs were utilized in the other 5 raids I was on..they give u a tactical advantage
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How many pounds of drugs did these kingpins have at the time the pigs blew off the babies face
The "parents" are to blame. As for the "pigs", when you need them you'll wish the bacon would arrive in time to save your huevos.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-stun-grenade-drug-raid/
Not sure if this was posted at the time it happened, but I figured the hate for police has been rather low on the forums this week but this should fire it back up quickly.
Officers have since been cleared of any wrongdoing (no surprise there)
Toddler critically burned in SWAT raid
Story highlights
SWAT team entered home after informant bought methamphetamine, sheriff says
During raid, officer inadvertently threw flash-bang grenade into baby's playpen, police say
Mother tells CNN affiliate toddler is in Atlanta hospital's burn unit; doctors induced coma
Had officers known child was inside, they would've "done things different," sheriff says
Members of a northeast Georgia SWAT team are "devastated" after a drug raid in which a flash-bang grenade landed in a 1-year-old's playpen, seriously injuring the child, the Habersham County sheriff said Friday.
The police officers involved have been called baby killers and received threats following the incident, Sheriff Joey Terrell said.
"All I can say is pray for the baby, his family and for us," he told CNN.
The SWAT team, made up of six or seven officers from the sheriff's department and the Cornelia Police Department, entered the Cornelia residence Wednesday before 3 a.m.
A confidential informant hours earlier had purchased methamphetamine at the house, the sheriff says. The informant told police that there were men standing guard outside the home, and it was unclear whether they were armed, according to CNN affiliate WGCL.
Because the suspected drug dealer, Wanis Thonetheva, had a previous weapons charge, officers were issued a "no-knock warrant" for the residence, Terrell said.
When the SWAT team hit the home's front door with a battering ram, it resisted as if something was up against it, the sheriff said, so one of the officers threw the flash-bang grenade inside the residence.
Wanis Thonetheva is being held without bond.
Wanis Thonetheva is being held without bond.
Once inside the house, the SWAT team realized it was a portable playpen blocking the door, and the flash-bang grenade had landed inside where the 19-month-old was sleeping, the sheriff said.
A medic on the scene rushed the baby outside to administer first aid, and a nearby ambulance was summoned. Authorities wanted to transport the baby via Life Flight to Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital, 75 miles southwest of Cornelia, but weather conditions wouldn't allow it. The baby was driven to the hospital.
Mother: 'He didn't deserve any of this'
A Grady official said it's hospital policy not to disclose patients' conditions, but the child's mother, Alecia Phonesavanh, told CNN affiliate WSB that doctors had put her son into an induced coma.
She further told the station the family was sleeping at her sister-in-law's house when police arrived, and the grenade seared a hole through the portable playpen after exploding on the child's pillow.
"He didn't deserve any of this," Phonesavanh told WSB. "He's in the burn unit. We go up to see him and his whole face is ripped open. He has a big cut on his chest."
Thonetheva, 30, was not at the home at the time of the raid, but the toddler's mother and father and their other three children were inside. Thonetheva's mother was also at the house, Terrell said.
The baby's family had moved into the Cornelia residence after their Wisconsin home burned, Terrell told CNN affiliate WXIA, and while the family members were aware of drug activity in the home, "they kept the children out of sight in a different room while any of these going-ons were happening."
Thonetheva was arrested at another Cornelia residence, along with three other people, shortly after the raid, Terrell said. He is charged with distribution of methamphetamine. Habersham County Chief Assistant District Attorney J. Edward Staples said Thonetheva could also be charged in connection with the baby's injuries.
Thonetheva was already out on bond for an October 2013 charge of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony -- the felony being distribution of methamphetamine, Staples said.
Because the Habersham County public defender's office is representing Thonetheva's co-defendant in the October case, they are unable to represent Thonetheva on the charges handed down this week, Staples said. It will take five to seven days to appoint him a new attorney, the prosecutor estimated.
Thonetheva made his first appearance before a magistrate Friday, but no bond was set because of the circumstances regarding the public defender. The court wouldn't have accepted a plea from Thonetheva because he has yet to speak to counsel, Staples said, adding that it will be up to a county Superior Court judge to set Thonetheva's bond after he's assigned a lawyer.
He is presently being held at the Habersham County Detention Center without bond. His rap sheet shows nine arrests since 2002 and includes charges of drug possession, carrying a concealed weapon, driving while his license was withdrawn and contempt of court, according to authorities.
Thonetheva faces no weapons charge in this week's incident, and as for drugs, Terrell said officers found only residue in the home.
Incident is being reviewed
No officers have been suspended, and Staples said he expects the review of the incident -- being conducted by Mountain Judicial Circuit District Attorney Brian Rickman -- to take about a week.
Staples said he recalled no previous use-of-force investigations into the sheriff's department, though a civil suit was previously filed against a drug task force there.
Terrell said there have been no prior probes into the Cornelia Police Department.
A local pastor came to speak with the officers Thursday, the sheriff said, and his department has been in touch with the child's family.
In hindsight, Terrell said, officers would've conducted the raid differently had they known there was a child inside the home, but there was no sign of children during the alleged drug purchase that prompted the raid.
"We would obviously would have done things different," Terrell said. "We might have gone in through a side door. ... We would not have used a flash bang."
The toddler's family told WSB they have no insurance and have set up a website to collect donations for the baby's treatment.
Its the parents fault 110% for selling and making drugs with having kids knowing that anything could happen....meth explosions, drug addict shooting or kidnapping, etc.
I don't blame the cops for doing their job and it obviously had nothing to do with incompetence...it has to do with parents willing to put their children's lives in danger for some quick cash instead of getting an honest fucking job.
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The "parents" are to blame. As for the "pigs", when you need them you'll wish the bacon would arrive in time to save your huevos.
I'm not a cop hater by any stretch but in reality, cops don't usually save people's huevos. They come in after the crime has been committed, write a report and try to figure out what happened. At best, they try to keep bad guys off the streets to prevent crime but there isn't much they can do for you when the shit is going down.
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um - isn't this like a hostage situation - a baby was in there - due care should have been taken. You people talk as if the baby deserved it because it had bad "parents".
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Yep.
Parents fault, the police involved should sleep easy and without regret.
No shit its the parent fault for the house being raided.
But the cops will sleep easy after blowing up a flashbang in a sleeping babies crib ???
You seriously need help
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No shit its the parent fault for the house being raided.
But the cops will sleep easy after blowing up a flashbang in a sleeping babies crib ???
You seriously need help
Was the recovery painful, following your brain amputation?
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um - isn't this like a hostage situation - a baby was in there - due care should have been taken. You people talk as if the baby deserved it because it had bad "parents".
i don't think that's what we're saying at all. it's actually pretty obvious that we aren't. what the sam hell are you blathering about?
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Was the recover painful, following your brain amputation?
There should have been a flashbang thrown in your crib
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There should have been a flashbang thrown in your crib
Well, there wasn't.
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i don't think that's what we're saying at all. it's actually pretty obvious that we aren't. what the sam hell are you blathering about?
due diligence - they should've know a baby was in there
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um - isn't this like a hostage situation - a baby was in there - due care should have been taken. You people talk as if the baby deserved it because it had bad "parents".
Since I am among the "you people", allow me.
The baby did not deserve this anymore than the child deserved drug peddling parents. Due care is exercised and intel is what it is. Sometimes right on the money, sometimes off. The parents should be imprisoned and punished for what they brought upon their child as well as for being dope dealers and who knows what else. Again, it is not the fault of the officers involved or the injured child.
First responders are brave folk and deserve our respect. Derision is best spewed upon the likes of these so-called "parents". To say otherwise exposes a mindset best suited to those wearing prison garb.
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Unnecessary use of force with the flash bangs and poor intel of occupants. Could possibly have been done differently.
Did they not know, or just not care there was a sleeping baby in the house.
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Since I am among the "you people", allow me.
The baby did not deserve this anymore than the child deserved drug peddling parents. Due care is exercised and intel is what it is. Sometimes right on the money, sometimes off. The parents should be imprisoned and punished for what they brought upon their child as well as for being dope dealers and who knows what else. Again, it is not the fault of the officers involved or the injured child.
First responders are brave folk and deserve our respect. Derision is best spewed upon the likes of these so-called "parents". To say otherwise exposes a mindset best suited to those wearing prison garb.
shoot first and let god sort them out then?
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shoot first and let god sort them out then?
Look kid, are you really this childish? Do not think to treat with me as you would a subordinate mongoloid on your personal short school bus with extra dark tint all 'round. You know only that which I choose to reveal. You on the other hand seem to have no problem showing the world that you are a disrespectful man-child.
Not all LEO are wonderful people, but there has never been a great pusher, pimp or mass murderer.
Don't go there.
Be well.
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Look kid, are you really this childish? Do not think to treat with me as you would a subordinate mongoloid on your personal short school bus with extra dark tint all 'round. You know only that which I choose to reveal. You on the other hand seem to have no problem showing the world that you are a disrespectful man-child.
Not all LEO are wonderful people, but there has never been a great pusher, pimp or mass murderer.
Don't go there.
Be well.
I'm not arguing about the quality of lowlife involved in this escaped - the parents ARE scum. I don't think that lets the police off the hook. Grow up.
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I hardly ever use flash grenades around babies.
Haha! ;D
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I'm not arguing about the quality of lowlife involved in this escaped - the parents ARE scum. I don't think that lets the police off the hook. Grow up.
They don't deserve to be hung on a hook. Neither you nor I nor anyone here knows what the intel was. Did you get a sitrep on this prior to breaking down the door? Did you put your life on the line going through that door or window?
"Grow up"? You have a wonderful economy with words until you have to eat the ones you say without thinking because that's a buffet few will find palatable. It happens to all of us. Take my advice and stand down, young man.
Be well.
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They don't deserve to be hung on a hook. Neither you nor I nor anyone here knows what the intel was. Did you get a sitrep on this prior to breaking down the door? Did you put your life on the line going through that door or window?
"Grow up"? You have a wonderful economy with words until you have to eat the ones you say without thinking because that's a buffet few will find palatable. It happens to all of us. Take my advice and stand down, young man.
Be well.
Whatever mistakes were made regarding intel, hopefully they learned from it and can correct it for next time.
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They don't deserve to be hung on a hook. Neither you nor I nor anyone here knows what the intel was. Did you get a sitrep on this prior to breaking down the door? Did you put your life on the line going through that door or window?
"Grow up"? You have a wonderful economy with words until you have to eat the ones you say without thinking because that's a buffet few will find palatable. It happens to all of us. Take my advice and stand down, young man.
Be well.
Hey man - I've said what I've said - we don't know all the facts like you said and until we do the police shouldn't be let off the hook.
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Like I said in my above post flash bangs are a tactical advantage. The ci or confidential informant probably gave them bad Intel..saying there are no kids
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Fixed!
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Like I said in my above post flash bangs are a tactical advantage. The ci or confidential informant probably gave them bad Intel..saying there are no kids
I wasn't there so take this for what it's worth, but....
I assume that a swat team would already have plenty of tactical advantage over the dipshits in that house.
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If we use Getbig as a sample of society, I cannot believe the percentage of jackasses among us who blame the cops for this, and not the parents. That is more disturbing then the actual story. If you are on the side feeling this is the cops fault... You are dumb. Hope this helps.
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Since I am among the "you people", allow me.
The baby did not deserve this anymore than the child deserved drug peddling parents. Due care is exercised and intel is what it is. Sometimes right on the money, sometimes off. The parents should be imprisoned and punished for what they brought upon their child as well as for being dope dealers and who knows what else. Again, it is not the fault of the officers involved or the injured child.
First responders are brave folk and deserve our respect. Derision is best spewed upon the likes of these so-called "parents". To say otherwise exposes a mindset best suited to those wearing prison garb.
well written
and sums it up nicely
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The parents put the baby's life in danger by having drugs in the home.....
They knew a raid could happen at anytime....bullets and grenades flying.....
Lol, fuck this. Drugs need to be legalized, this is just another reason why.
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Lol, fuck this. Drugs need to be legalized, this is just another reason why.
Nope.
Foolish.
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Nope.
Foolish.
Drugs are illegal in order to keep the public "safe"
This raid was done in the same of safety , and they ended up severely hurting a civilian in the process.
War on drugs= fail.
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So, how do we go about making drugs legal, while still keeping children safe in these homes?
Analysis projects the number of grenade related deaths to fall sharply.