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http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-macho-sludge-peddled-american-sniper-really-cowardice
tldr: ChuckleHead says if you think highly of american sniper you are an asshole.
Martin Luther King Jr. exemplifies real bravery in "Selma."
By David Masciotra / AlterNet
January 29, 2015
Well, you can beat on your chest / Hell, any monkey can. —Bruce Springsteen, “Real Man”
In an essay on Theodore Roosevelt, Gore Vidal classified the former president and known tough guy as an “American sissy.” He was a sissy, because “he never showed much real courage.”
“Despite some trust-busting,” Vidal writes, “he never took on the great ring of corruption that ruled and rules in this republic.” The man whose face forms a fourth of Mt. Rushmore was a particularly American sissy, because he was a “war-lover” and he embodied the belief that physical bravery was the ultimate manly virtue. Vidal, inspecting the idiocy of this belief, concludes, “There is something strangely infantile in this obsession with dice-loaded physical courage when the only courage that matters in political or even real life is moral.”
There is a war in the American cinema right now, and it is not the one that is visible in the boring battle scenes of Clint Eastwood and Bradley Cooper’s jingoistic fairy tale. It is the war for attention and adulation taking place at award ceremonies and ticket booths between American Sniper, and a movie about the sacrifices of heroes who fought for freedom, Selma.
Selma and American Sniper present two different heroes of two dramatically different historical narratives. As they compete at the box office, they mimic the competition between two conflicting conceptions of heroism. There is the heroism of Martin Luther King Jr., who challenged the most powerful forces and institutions of his culture, facing death threats and daily harassment, to work tirelessly toward equality and justice, practice peaceful resistance to oppression, and preach love for your neighbor, stranger and even enemy. Chris Kyle said it was “fun” to kill the “savages” of Iraq, and blindly followed the destructive marching orders of George W. Bush.
As much as these ideas of heroism clash ethically and politically, there is a deeper conflict at work in American culture. It involves America’s inability to advance beyond its BCE notion of masculinity, and progress into an CE world of humanity. Martin Luther King and Chris Kyle not only represent two radically different definitions of heroism, but also two divergent models of manhood. Given the box office success of American Sniper, and the falling feather impact of Selma, it is clear how the majority of Americans view and enforce manhood.
The prevailing and prevalent projection of American manhood is at once a cartoon, simplistic in its emphasis on strength and eschewal of sensitivity, and dangerous in its celebratory zeal for violence. It is not masculine as much as macho, according to the useful distinction of one of America’s finest male novelists, Jim Harrison. Because Harrison often writes about roughneck, working-class characters in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan or the ranches of Montana, many shortsighted critics have called his literature “macho.” Explaining his objection to that label, Harrison said, “I have always thought of the word ‘macho’ in terms of what it means in Mexico—a particularly ugly peacockery, a conspicuous cruelty to women and animals and children, a gratuitous viciousness.”
Idolatry of physical strength and bravery, without an ethical compact or moral purpose, naturally morphs into the glorification of violence, and directly contributes to the maintenance and enhancement of social catastrophes and crises, especially those that involve abuse or neglect of the weak and vulnerable.
The American macho problem of social dysfunction and intellectual paralysis is at work on the football field whenever coaches, fans, parents, and even players enforce a code to take concussions like “real men,” and ignore the possibility of early onset dementia. America’s antiquated notion of macho toughness is operational in the aggressive pursuit of sexual ownership in the military, where one third of women are victims of sexual assault, and on college campuses, where one fourth of women experience sexual harassment.
It is also not far in the background of America’s foreign policy, and its enthusiasm for wars when primitive, locker room calls for “kicking ass” replace meaningful discourse on geopolitics and international affairs. Toby Keith’s anthem about “putting a boot in the ass” of terrorists, like President Bush’s flight suit posturing and “bring it on” finger waving, captured the nation’s attention, demonstrating how at the highest levels of governance and in the most avid articulations of politics, America has not yet graduated out of the Bronze Age nor has it left the professional wrestling ring.
Anyone who attempts to navigate the minefield of the macho mentality will face accusations of failing to live up to some bizarre standard of acting as a “real man.” Steve Almond writes that he is deluged, almost daily, by people telling him, through the tough guy forums of anonymous social media and email, that he is not a “real man” because he is critical of the NFL for its complicity in covering up concussions and their consequences. Antiwar activists and writers often have their “real men” credentials questioned. The recent mockery of John Kerry and James Taylor for a performance of “You’ve Got a Friend” in France reveals that the only acceptable language of international alliance is the terminology of violence. Had Kerry vowed to “destroy” or “eliminate” all Islamic terrorists, he would have won favor in the press. Using song as a gesture of political and personal friendship is worthy only of scorn.
The failure to evolve out of stone age masculinity is especially damning because America prides itself on its status as a “Christian nation,” yet Jesus Christ said “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword” and advocated “turning the other cheek” when facing a tormentor. It was this very idea, along with Gandhi’s application of nonviolent protest to politics, that inspired King to lead the civil rights movement according to principles of peace.
King and Gandhi possessed what Vidal described as “moral courage.” That standard of courage and measurement of bravery is flawlessly helpful in the world or adult reality, but not as appealing in the world of juvenile fantasy.
In American Sniper, one of the most important scenes takes place early in Chris Kyle’s childhood. The boy is sitting at a dinner table with his brother and parents, and his father explains that in the world there are “sheep” (weak people without the capacity for violence), “wolves” (evil people who are violent), and “sheepdogs” (good people who are violent). The earnest father, speaking in an inexplicable tone of anger, tells Chris and his brother that he is raising them to be sheepdogs.
The worldview is deranged in its simplicity. History, ethics and politics are much more complex than the categories of wolves, sheep and sheepdogs will allow. The worldview becomes dangerous when coupled with macho notions of physical strength and infantile ideas of physical courage, because it causes the aspiring sheepdogs to actively look for wolves.
“There is evil here,” an adult Chris Kyle tells a SEAL turned war skeptic in American Sniper when justifying the American invasion and occupation of Iraq. There certainly is evil in Iraq, just as there is evil in America and everywhere else. Sending sheepdogs to pick fights with wolves, as the world has seen in Iraq, will only spread misery, enhance cruelty and create chaos. The medieval macho philosophy, dominant in American life, insists that the eradication of evil is possible with guns, tanks and tough guys. It is naïve at best, but catastrophic when combined with the categorization of human beings in absolutes. Failing to question, much less protest, the state for its advancement of its own interest overseas, with the trajectory of the missile and bullet, reveals America as a nation of sissies in desperate need of “real men” like King to demonstrate authentic moral bravery.
Martin Luther King Jr. did not classify all human beings into the static groups of “evil” and good”—“wolves” and “sheep.” He said that “there is evil in the best of us, and good in the worst of us,” and explained that all it takes for evil to triumph is for “good men to do nothing.” He resisted the simplistic and self-serving supremacist worldview. According to his friend, Harry Belafonte, he did express consternation that he was succeeding in the integration of his people into America, but that he was integrating them into a “burning house.” The regressive relegation of manhood to aggression without compassion acts as kerosene in a culture committed to arson.
It is erroneous to distill the civil rights movement into the struggle of one man. King would have meant nothing without his staff and supporters. Even if he was a genius and a giant, it was the movement that made King. It was not King that made the movement. Similarly, Chris Kyle’s attitudinal aggression toward anything un-American and his fatal, doctrinal loyalty to the interests of Empire fuels the death machinery of militarism, but it does not construct and create it. The war in Iraq was a policy decision of the American government carried out with the enthusiastic endorsement, or at least, tacit approval of the American media.
At the movie theater, however, there exists the dramatization of two distinctly American men, and through an imaginative confrontation with the tragedies and triumphs of their lives, Americans can draw distinctions between two different molds of manhood.
One mold makes room for tenderness, love, and sensitivity to the suffering of others, along with a willingness to admit weakness. It is a 21st-century adaptation to the acquiescence of knowledge and the progression of cultural norms more suitable for sophisticated, and more importantly, peaceful living. The other mold makes room only for arrogance, intimidation and the reckless abandonment of humanistic values in favor of the desire to dominate.
Gore Vidal, a gay veteran of World War II who risked his entire career in an act of moral courage by writing the first gay love story in a novel during the height of homophobia in the 1950s, was part of an American vision of manhood that allowed for complexity of thought and emotion. The cinematic characters of Paul Newman’s best roles—strong but sensitive—provide another example, as does the music of Bruce Springsteen, an all-American man whose most masculine song, “Tougher Than The Rest,” equates strength with loyalty and love.
At some point, American culture lost its balance, and its mind, and reverted back into an action movie, video game conception of masculinity. The consequences, far from fictional or digital, are located in the wreckage of women’s lives darkened by sexual assault, children’s futures destroyed by war, and its macho practitioners’ loss of emotional stability and satisfaction.
Martin Luther King Jr.'’s life demonstrates the sturdiness and softness necessary for healthy masculinity. Acceptance of such a contradiction, and sublimation of two oppositional ideas into one identity, requires comfort with the nuanced variety of psychology and history.
Chris Kyle suffered from post traumatic stress disorder, a condition that caused robotic detachment from his family culminating in nearly killing his son’s pet dog during a child’s birthday party. It is likely that his laconic rejection of regret, remorse, or even reflection on his own role in an unjust war worsened his psychic disorder.
“Do you have any regrets or doubts over anything you did?” a VA psychiatrist asks Chris Kyle in the movie. “No, that’s not me,” he answers back.
It isn’t America either. The trauma will only escalate until an increasingly isolated and violent nation can look itself in the mirror with a willingness to see its disfigurements and deformities. King’s life was lived and lost in service to the truth. He understood that recognition of the truth, even when it is ugly, is elemental to the beauty of a hero and the substance of a man. That is the place King still occupies in every moral American’s conscience.
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Guy Lubber.
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cliffnotes?
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wall of text.
i take it you dont like snipers? you rather be without them meaning total no of people killed would be higher? seems hard to justify.
carry on.
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Just stopping in to let the OP know I didn't read shit lol.
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F MLK
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all snipers are cowards any "real man" will tell you that.
there is no honor in killing someone 100 miles away
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TL;DR, except first lines.
Comparing Chris Kyle to MLK is stupid. Are you a Hebrew with a political axe to grind, Knucklhead?
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all snipers are cowards any "real man" will tell you that.
there is no honor in killing someone 100 miles away
OK, a Sun Tsu...at what distance does honor come back?
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honor ended in stone age when people clubbed eachother to death
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/caveman1256319995.jpg)
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all snipers are cowards any "real man" will tell you that.
there is no honor in killing someone 100 miles away
Bullshit. Snipers intimately see each person up close before pulling the trigger, sometimes observing them for hours and more.
You don't get that from a grunt through iron sights. ::)
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real men use drones!
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Bullshit. Snipers intimately see each person up close before pulling the trigger, sometimes observing them for hours and more.
You don't get that from a grunt through iron sights. ::)
What's with the "honor" bullshit? It's not like we live by Bushido here. The purpose of a military is to "kill people and break things." The more efficiently we do that, the happier we should be.
A sniper can SAVE LIVES by taking out leadership or demoralizing an enemy to the point that they are non operative. There may indeed be honor in sparing a battalion of enlisted men by preferentially ventilating a general.
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real men use drones!
now that is funny.
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What's with the "honor" bullshit? It's not like we live by Bushido here. The purpose of a military is to "kill people and break things." The more efficiently we do that, the happier we should be.
A sniper can SAVE LIVES by taking out leadership or demoralizing an enemy to the point that they are non operative. There may indeed be honor in sparing a battalion of enlisted men by preferentially ventilating a general.
you think the "enemy" isn't learning? you're a fool. when they start sniping you'll be calling them cowards.
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There is no "honor" in being a gimmick posting under your 17th account.
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There is no "honor" in being a gimmick posting under your 17th account.
really now? no doubt you are a private dick but a detective you are not.
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really now? no doubt you are a private dick but a detective you are not.
I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
what a shock.
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you think the "enemy" isn't learning? you're a fool. when they start sniping you'll be calling them cowards.
Oh brother. We have another military historian/SEAL operator here...
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OK, a Sun Tsu...at what distance does honor come back?
99 miles away.
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OP must be a Betty Blanco (real name: Schlomo Manciewicz) gimmick.
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OP must be a Betty Blanco (real name: Schlomo Manciewicz) gimmick.
the psychic hot line has never been a reliable source of information.
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there s a place for everyone in this world, for peacenicks, and soldiers.
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F MLK
??? Why. You know him and Obama aren't the same guy right?
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MLK. Known Marxist and communist sympathizer. Plagarist, womanizer and fraud.
So yes, Chris Kyle is a better man.
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MLK. Known Marxist and communist sympathizer. Plagarist, womanizer and fraud.
So yes, Chris Kyle is a better man.
only in your bizzaro world.
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the psychic hot line has never been a reliable source of information.
as opposed to "AlterNet" oh, brother ::)
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Anyone that refers to themselves as a "sheepdog" is guaranteed to be a complete twat.
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as opposed to "AlterNet" oh, brother ::)
that works too.
the psychic hot line has never been a reliable source of information opposed to "AlterNet"
oh, brother ::)
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Saw American Sniper last week. Very good film.
Not too interested in seeing Selma though.
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Saw American Sniper last week. Very good film.
Not too interested in seeing Selma though.
so what's your point.
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so what's your point.
Hi Benny ;)
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so what's your point.
No point. Just saying.
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Hi Benny ;)
damn man, i'm every guy ever born. i got you chuckleheads seeing gimmicks everywhere. LMAO.
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hahaha oh brother, just another hissy-fit meltdown about American Sniper by yet another limp wristed, panty-wearing sissy leftist who couldn't fill Kyle's jockstrap.
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Haven't seen this movie, not a big priority. Question, has this Kyle ever been in a firefight or the line of fire? Because I've seen and read stories of guys who have and risked their lives to save their buddies, maybe lost limbs or died doing so. These guys are worthy of the title hero. But if all he did was kill from 500 yards out then I don't get it. In today's warfare snipers are probably a necessity but any guy who openly admits he enjoys it is probably a closet psychopath.
Why the hell couldn't the US just send a Chris Kyle type into Iraq before the invasion and take Saddam out if he was such a problem? You wouldn't have half this shit that is happening today.
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hahaha oh brother, just another hissy-fit meltdown about a American Sniper by yet another limp wristed, panty-wearing sissy leftist who couldn't fill Kyle's jockstrap.
well you got me there, i concede you know more about his jock strap than i do.
not that there is anything wrong with being gay, you should be proud.
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Haven't seen this movie, not a big priority. Question, has this Kyle ever been in a firefight or the line of fire? Because I've seen and read stories of guys who have and risked their lives to save their buddies, maybe lost limbs or died doing so. These guys are worthy of the title hero. But if all he did was kill from 500 yards out then I don't get it. In today's warfare snipers are probably a necessity but any guy who openly admits he enjoys it is probably a closet psychopath.
Why the hell couldn't the US just send a Chris Kyle type into Iraq before the invasion and take Saddam out if he was such a problem? You wouldn't have half this shit that is happening today.
History lesson. Saddam, while an evil fucker, ruled that place with an iron fist and did not tolerate terrorism or sympathize with muslim shit heads. Once saddam was gone, iraq became a hot bed for jihadists who wanted to kill americans. Saddam contained all of that shit. Once he was gone, it unleashed a shit storm. This isnt opinion, just what really happened
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History lesson. Saddam, while an evil fucker, ruled that place with an iron fist and did not tolerate terrorism or sympathize with muslim shit heads. Once saddam was gone, iraq became a hot bed for jihadists who wanted to kill americans. Saddam contained all of that shit. Once he was gone, it unleashed a shit storm. This isnt opinion, just what really happened
I agree with you 100%. But Bush was going in, hell or high water..taking him out with a sniper would have saved a lot of American lives and treasure
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I agree with you 100%. But Bush was going in, hell or high water..taking him out with a sniper would have saved a lot of American lives and treasure
then you obviously don't know what the war was about.
how can you profit if you only have to replace one bullet?
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Up for sale is a quantity of Ralph Machio's sludge. Potential supply unlimited. Offers welcome.
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History lesson. Saddam, while an evil fucker, ruled that place with an iron fist and did not tolerate terrorism or sympathize with muslim shit heads. Once saddam was gone, iraq became a hot bed for jihadists who wanted to kill americans. Saddam contained all of that shit. Once he was gone, it unleashed a shit storm. This isnt opinion, just what really happened
truth
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Assume that I don't know... question still stands.
a number of select companies profited enormously.....from all the munitions that had to be replaced to all the food and private employees.........kept there for years.......quite ironically a fair share was provided by penis cheney's company halliburton, just to name one.
when they put a number on what the war costs......like a trillion dollars or whatever.......who's pocket does that money go in? if you are interested go look at how much "certain" people's net worth went up during that time.
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History lesson. Saddam, while an evil fucker, ruled that place with an iron fist and did not tolerate terrorism or sympathize with muslim shit heads. Once saddam was gone, iraq became a hot bed for jihadists who wanted to kill americans. Saddam contained all of that shit. Once he was gone, it unleashed a shit storm. This isnt opinion, just what really happened
it would have went this way at his death anyway, islam is just radicalizing itself everywhere on the planet at the same time.
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a number of select companies profited enormously.....from all the munitions that had to be replaced to all the food and private employees.........kept there for years.......quite ironically a fair sharee was provided by penis cheney's company halliburton, just to name one.
when they put a number on what the war costs......like a trillion dollars or whatever.......who's pocket does that money go in? if you are interested go look at how much "certain" people's net worth went up during that time.
yes, some people always get richer during wars...And? some people also get richer in peace times...and?
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yes, some people always get richer during wars...And? some people also get richer in peace times...and?
and you're a chucklehead. thanks for reminding me.
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Whoever operated the fast food (kfc, piazza hut) places in Afghanistan/Iraq made a lot of money. soldiers, marines, sailors, everybody spent a lot of money in those places some people think that was free to the "troops" but it wasn't. not even close
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it would have went this way at his death anyway, islam is just radicalizing itself everywhere on the planet at the same time.
Not sure about that. I'd imagine his son would have taken over and quickly established his own control over the country.
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all snipers are cowards any "real man" will tell you that.
there is no honor in killing someone 100 miles away
I was an active duty marine .
The sniper in the movie is a hero.
nuff said ;)
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I was an active duty marine .
The sniper in the movie is a hero.
nuff said ;)
you insult heroes.
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Why would anyone compare these two films? American sniper was to a film that was to bring to light the affects war has on family..also pstd. Sacrifices the soldiers made for our freedom. Selma was about civil rights..
I suppose since Selma didn't do as well as expected I suppose u criticize a film that is...maybe to get publicity
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http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-macho-sludge-peddled-american-sniper-really-cowardice
tldr: ChuckleHead says if you think highly of american sniper you are an asshole.
Martin Luther King Jr. exemplifies real bravery in "Selma."
By David Masciotra / AlterNet
January 29, 2015
Well, you can beat on your chest / Hell, any monkey can. —Bruce Springsteen, “Real Man”
In an essay on Theodore Roosevelt, Gore Vidal classified the former president and known tough guy as an “American sissy.” He was a sissy, because “he never showed much real courage.”
“Despite some trust-busting,” Vidal writes, “he never took on the great ring of corruption that ruled and rules in this republic.” The man whose face forms a fourth of Mt. Rushmore was a particularly American sissy, because he was a “war-lover” and he embodied the belief that physical bravery was the ultimate manly virtue. Vidal, inspecting the idiocy of this belief, concludes, “There is something strangely infantile in this obsession with dice-loaded physical courage when the only courage that matters in political or even real life is moral.”
There is a war in the American cinema right now, and it is not the one that is visible in the boring battle scenes of Clint Eastwood and Bradley Cooper’s jingoistic fairy tale. It is the war for attention and adulation taking place at award ceremonies and ticket booths between American Sniper, and a movie about the sacrifices of heroes who fought for freedom, Selma.
Selma and American Sniper present two different heroes of two dramatically different historical narratives. As they compete at the box office, they mimic the competition between two conflicting conceptions of heroism. There is the heroism of Martin Luther King Jr., who challenged the most powerful forces and institutions of his culture, facing death threats and daily harassment, to work tirelessly toward equality and justice, practice peaceful resistance to oppression, and preach love for your neighbor, stranger and even enemy. Chris Kyle said it was “fun” to kill the “savages” of Iraq, and blindly followed the destructive marching orders of George W. Bush.
As much as these ideas of heroism clash ethically and politically, there is a deeper conflict at work in American culture. It involves America’s inability to advance beyond its BCE notion of masculinity, and progress into an CE world of humanity. Martin Luther King and Chris Kyle not only represent two radically different definitions of heroism, but also two divergent models of manhood. Given the box office success of American Sniper, and the falling feather impact of Selma, it is clear how the majority of Americans view and enforce manhood.
The prevailing and prevalent projection of American manhood is at once a cartoon, simplistic in its emphasis on strength and eschewal of sensitivity, and dangerous in its celebratory zeal for violence. It is not masculine as much as macho, according to the useful distinction of one of America’s finest male novelists, Jim Harrison. Because Harrison often writes about roughneck, working-class characters in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan or the ranches of Montana, many shortsighted critics have called his literature “macho.” Explaining his objection to that label, Harrison said, “I have always thought of the word ‘macho’ in terms of what it means in Mexico—a particularly ugly peacockery, a conspicuous cruelty to women and animals and children, a gratuitous viciousness.”
Idolatry of physical strength and bravery, without an ethical compact or moral purpose, naturally morphs into the glorification of violence, and directly contributes to the maintenance and enhancement of social catastrophes and crises, especially those that involve abuse or neglect of the weak and vulnerable.
The American macho problem of social dysfunction and intellectual paralysis is at work on the football field whenever coaches, fans, parents, and even players enforce a code to take concussions like “real men,” and ignore the possibility of early onset dementia. America’s antiquated notion of macho toughness is operational in the aggressive pursuit of sexual ownership in the military, where one third of women are victims of sexual assault, and on college campuses, where one fourth of women experience sexual harassment.
It is also not far in the background of America’s foreign policy, and its enthusiasm for wars when primitive, locker room calls for “kicking ass” replace meaningful discourse on geopolitics and international affairs. Toby Keith’s anthem about “putting a boot in the ass” of terrorists, like President Bush’s flight suit posturing and “bring it on” finger waving, captured the nation’s attention, demonstrating how at the highest levels of governance and in the most avid articulations of politics, America has not yet graduated out of the Bronze Age nor has it left the professional wrestling ring.
Anyone who attempts to navigate the minefield of the macho mentality will face accusations of failing to live up to some bizarre standard of acting as a “real man.” Steve Almond writes that he is deluged, almost daily, by people telling him, through the tough guy forums of anonymous social media and email, that he is not a “real man” because he is critical of the NFL for its complicity in covering up concussions and their consequences. Antiwar activists and writers often have their “real men” credentials questioned. The recent mockery of John Kerry and James Taylor for a performance of “You’ve Got a Friend” in France reveals that the only acceptable language of international alliance is the terminology of violence. Had Kerry vowed to “destroy” or “eliminate” all Islamic terrorists, he would have won favor in the press. Using song as a gesture of political and personal friendship is worthy only of scorn.
The failure to evolve out of stone age masculinity is especially damning because America prides itself on its status as a “Christian nation,” yet Jesus Christ said “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword” and advocated “turning the other cheek” when facing a tormentor. It was this very idea, along with Gandhi’s application of nonviolent protest to politics, that inspired King to lead the civil rights movement according to principles of peace.
King and Gandhi possessed what Vidal described as “moral courage.” That standard of courage and measurement of bravery is flawlessly helpful in the world or adult reality, but not as appealing in the world of juvenile fantasy.
In American Sniper, one of the most important scenes takes place early in Chris Kyle’s childhood. The boy is sitting at a dinner table with his brother and parents, and his father explains that in the world there are “sheep” (weak people without the capacity for violence), “wolves” (evil people who are violent), and “sheepdogs” (good people who are violent). The earnest father, speaking in an inexplicable tone of anger, tells Chris and his brother that he is raising them to be sheepdogs.
The worldview is deranged in its simplicity. History, ethics and politics are much more complex than the categories of wolves, sheep and sheepdogs will allow. The worldview becomes dangerous when coupled with macho notions of physical strength and infantile ideas of physical courage, because it causes the aspiring sheepdogs to actively look for wolves.
“There is evil here,” an adult Chris Kyle tells a SEAL turned war skeptic in American Sniper when justifying the American invasion and occupation of Iraq. There certainly is evil in Iraq, just as there is evil in America and everywhere else. Sending sheepdogs to pick fights with wolves, as the world has seen in Iraq, will only spread misery, enhance cruelty and create chaos. The medieval macho philosophy, dominant in American life, insists that the eradication of evil is possible with guns, tanks and tough guys. It is naïve at best, but catastrophic when combined with the categorization of human beings in absolutes. Failing to question, much less protest, the state for its advancement of its own interest overseas, with the trajectory of the missile and bullet, reveals America as a nation of sissies in desperate need of “real men” like King to demonstrate authentic moral bravery.
Martin Luther King Jr. did not classify all human beings into the static groups of “evil” and good”—“wolves” and “sheep.” He said that “there is evil in the best of us, and good in the worst of us,” and explained that all it takes for evil to triumph is for “good men to do nothing.” He resisted the simplistic and self-serving supremacist worldview. According to his friend, Harry Belafonte, he did express consternation that he was succeeding in the integration of his people into America, but that he was integrating them into a “burning house.” The regressive relegation of manhood to aggression without compassion acts as kerosene in a culture committed to arson.
It is erroneous to distill the civil rights movement into the struggle of one man. King would have meant nothing without his staff and supporters. Even if he was a genius and a giant, it was the movement that made King. It was not King that made the movement. Similarly, Chris Kyle’s attitudinal aggression toward anything un-American and his fatal, doctrinal loyalty to the interests of Empire fuels the death machinery of militarism, but it does not construct and create it. The war in Iraq was a policy decision of the American government carried out with the enthusiastic endorsement, or at least, tacit approval of the American media.
At the movie theater, however, there exists the dramatization of two distinctly American men, and through an imaginative confrontation with the tragedies and triumphs of their lives, Americans can draw distinctions between two different molds of manhood.
One mold makes room for tenderness, love, and sensitivity to the suffering of others, along with a willingness to admit weakness. It is a 21st-century adaptation to the acquiescence of knowledge and the progression of cultural norms more suitable for sophisticated, and more importantly, peaceful living. The other mold makes room only for arrogance, intimidation and the reckless abandonment of humanistic values in favor of the desire to dominate.
Gore Vidal, a gay veteran of World War II who risked his entire career in an act of moral courage by writing the first gay love story in a novel during the height of homophobia in the 1950s, was part of an American vision of manhood that allowed for complexity of thought and emotion. The cinematic characters of Paul Newman’s best roles—strong but sensitive—provide another example, as does the music of Bruce Springsteen, an all-American man whose most masculine song, “Tougher Than The Rest,” equates strength with loyalty and love.
At some point, American culture lost its balance, and its mind, and reverted back into an action movie, video game conception of masculinity. The consequences, far from fictional or digital, are located in the wreckage of women’s lives darkened by sexual assault, children’s futures destroyed by war, and its macho practitioners’ loss of emotional stability and satisfaction.
Martin Luther King Jr.'’s life demonstrates the sturdiness and softness necessary for healthy masculinity. Acceptance of such a contradiction, and sublimation of two oppositional ideas into one identity, requires comfort with the nuanced variety of psychology and history.
Chris Kyle suffered from post traumatic stress disorder, a condition that caused robotic detachment from his family culminating in nearly killing his son’s pet dog during a child’s birthday party. It is likely that his laconic rejection of regret, remorse, or even reflection on his own role in an unjust war worsened his psychic disorder.
“Do you have any regrets or doubts over anything you did?” a VA psychiatrist asks Chris Kyle in the movie. “No, that’s not me,” he answers back.
It isn’t America either. The trauma will only escalate until an increasingly isolated and violent nation can look itself in the mirror with a willingness to see its disfigurements and deformities. King’s life was lived and lost in service to the truth. He understood that recognition of the truth, even when it is ugly, is elemental to the beauty of a hero and the substance of a man. That is the place King still occupies in every moral American’s conscience.
King plagiarized his doctoral thesis...Was a serial adulterer...And according to a book written by his friend Abernathy, was slapping around his girlfriend the night before he died....Some people are so desperate for hero's that grasp at straws.
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Snipers are deadly and efficient, especially with today's high tech rifles which can make sandwiches, Pizza and Burgers.
No worries, every now and then a shot gets fired too.
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King plagiarized his doctoral thesis...Was a serial adulterer...And according to a book written by his friend Abernathy, was slapping around his girlfriend the night before he died....Some people are so desperate for hero's that grasp at straws.
of course that's worse than shooting people dead.
no the dead are not all enemies.
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Haven't seen this movie, not a big priority. Question, has this Kyle ever been in a firefight or the line of fire? Because I've seen and read stories of guys who have and risked their lives to save their buddies, maybe lost limbs or died doing so. These guys are worthy of the title hero. But if all he did was kill from 500 yards out then I don't get it. In today's warfare snipers are probably a necessity but any guy who openly admits he enjoys it is probably a closet psychopath.
Why the hell couldn't the US just send a Chris Kyle type into Iraq before the invasion and take Saddam out if he was such a problem? You wouldn't have half this shit that is happening today.
QFT!!
what barney ross the boxer did in WW2 thats a hero.
He was sent to Guadalcanal in the South Pacific. One night, he and three other comrades were trapped under enemy fire. All four were wounded; Ross was the only one able to fight. Ross gathered his comrades' rifles and grenades and single-handedly fought nearly two dozen Japanese soldiers over an entire night, killing them all by morning. Two of the Marines died, but he carried the third on his shoulders to safety; the other man weighed 230 lb (104 kg) compared to Ross' 140 lb (64 kg). Ross was awarded America's third highest military honor, the Silver Star, as well as a Presidential Citation. As one of America's greatest "celebrity" war heroes, he was honored by President Roosevelt in a Rose Garden ceremony.
laying down for 10 hours till u get your perfect shot on a kid is nothing to brag about.
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there is some sanity here after all.
although just as in real life the chuckleheads aren't far behind.
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If you guys read the his book I think u would understand more about what he was trying to do..i suppose alot of it is bragging BUT the main point of the book was to show the effect war has on the family. Also brings pstd to the light
But I do think he was/is a hero
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How about a gun that shoots around corners?
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honor ended in stone age when people clubbed eachother to death
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Guys challenging each other to a duel was pretty badass and was considered "honorable".
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TL;DR, except first lines.
Comparing Chris Kyle to MLK is stupid. Are you a Hebrew with a political axe to grind, Knucklhead?
Worse, white guilt. Or a white liberal. probably both.
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Worse, white guilt. Or a white liberal. probably both.
Six/half-dozen, no difference.
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Chris Kyle was the best. A Paragon for Mankind.
EDIT: Wait a sec, didn't he have over 150 confirmed kills? He was more than a Hero, he was a God.
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TL, DR, DC, FO, KY.
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Mlk didn't lift. Kyle did. Case over.
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It's too bad most of the younger He-bros today think Selma is one of the real housewives of Atlanta
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Chris Kyle (Peace be upon him) is a God among men. OP, why don't you jump up your own ass and then die.
:D
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Chris Kyle (Peace be upon him) is a God among men. OP, why don't you jump up your own ass and then die.
:D
OP needs an elevator ride with Ray Rice
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then you obviously don't know what the war was about.
how can you profit if you only have to replace one bullet?
And you do?
You don't think we've tried to assassinate world leaders? You don't think other countries want to assassinate Obama?
Remember Castro?
And wars cost money. Lots of money.
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OP needs an elevator ride with Ray Rice
Or a Sunday drive with Suge Knight.
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Movie sucked. Story conveniently left out the well known fact that Mr. Kyle was a latent homosexual.
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Movie sucked. Story conveniently left out the well known fact that Mr. Kyle was a latent homosexual.
You know this how?
He was married to two children.
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You know this how?
He was married to two children.
He wasn't gay, just a fabricator. Dude's being a dick is all.
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You know this how?
He was married to two children.
"Abraham's hero"
Real American Hero aka Michael Moore
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"Abraham's hero"
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Biggest hypocrite since Rage Against the Machine.
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"Abraham's hero"
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Michael Moore is a grade A piece of liberal shit. He's the male fucking version of Roseanne Barr
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You know this how?
He was married to two children.
So was Robert Reed.
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there's a twilight zone episode where in the after life everyone gets the world they envisioned and that determines whether they are in heaven or hell.
i would welcome that reality.
i wish that upon all people.
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I wasnt impressed with the movie. Enemy at the Gates was a way better movie. AS just seemed rushed like all shitty movies these days. JuSt a bunch of weak action scenes with some "yeehaw!, come get some!" Sprinkled in. Lame. Cooper did well, the wife sucked and it was hard to sympathize with her. That "bitch" act at the bar scene was so hard to watch. People dont talk to each other that way in real life.
What i do find DISGUSTING, is i see people now posting JPEGs of chris kyle with "like this picture if you know chris kyle is a hero!". Ummm, guy please. Sure, hes a hero. if i dont click "like", am Not a "patriot"? These people are just being divisive on purpose. Not to mention, linkedin is for business purposes, not a contest for picking sides about a sniper movie, fucking idiots. 90 percent of these idiots wouldnt even know who he was until the movie came out. Now all of a sudden, u got right winger assholes taking the bait and having a "who is a bigger patriot" contest between themselves on social media and trying to troll "libruls" about it.
Im a liberal and love military war movies, but i didnt think AS was good movie. I must not be a "patriot" lol
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Hard to call Kyle a hero when he brags about killing up to 30-40 American Citizens in New Orleans during Katrina. I don`t believe a word of it myself as he is known to lie and stretch the truth. He also claimed that he was car jacked in Texas, then reached in his glovebox and blew away two carjackers. Total Bullshit. No evidence it ever happened, nothing. Just lies.
Here is the bullshit story Chris liked to tell. Just one of many. Including the Ventura one.
"On a bitterly cold morning in early January of 2009, the war, in a sense, found Chris again. What happened to him not far from his home outside Dallas never made the news, since the town involved didn’t want the publicity, but the incident certainly would have made national headlines had a reporter ever gotten a tip about it.
Chris was minding his own business, fueling his pickup truck at a gas station, when he found himself at gunpoint. Two men holding pistols demanded his truck. Law enforcement will usually advise you to give in to the criminal in a situation like this. And that’s good advice. But Chris took another route. Very calmly and coolly, he sized up which of the men was handling his pistol more comfortably. He put his hands up and told them he was going to reach into the truck to get his keys. Then his hand went under his coat.
From a waistband holster, he pulled his Colt 1911. Swinging the pistol under his left armpit, he gave each robber two .45 caliber Hydra-Shock hollow-points to the chest. By the time the cops responded to the 911 call from the terrified lady who had locked herself in a car behind Chris’s truck, the matter was settled. Elapsed time: about ten seconds. The service station’s security cameras caught the whole thing."
Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html#storylink=cpy
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He was a lying turd. RIP.
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Michael Moore is a grade A piece of liberal shit. He's the male fucking version of Roseanne Barr
One big difference...on a couple of the early "Roseanne" episodes, she was almost funny.
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True hero of the American People.
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So was Robert Reed.
Robert Reed was bi-sexual.
Again answer my question instead of avoiding it. How do you know Kyle was gay?
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Robert Reed was bi-sexual.
Again answer my question instead of avoiding it. How do you know Kyle was gay?
Eh, no such thing.
"You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick."
- A.D.C.