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Walk out to the back yard of my house and what to I see just off shore? 32 tankers lined up to get into the Port Of Long Beach. Yesterday there were 24. Why, because of a workers strike..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinomarah/2015/02/17/the-ilwu-is-committing-suicide-and-killing-long-beach-in-the-process/
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Good for them, in within their rights to strike
with that being said , those fucking assholes are holding back some products i bought and expected to have in hand in march, they are now saying i wont get it until June >:( >:(
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Unions are economic vandals, that given time ruin the lives of their own members as they ultimately push companies to lower their exposure to them by using offshore and robotic alternatives. They do more bad than good these days and learn nothing from their mistakes.
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Unions made the middle class great during the post war years...
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Good for them, in within their rights to strike
with that being said , those fucking assholes are holding back some products i bought and expected to have in hand in march, they are now saying i wont get it until June >:( >:(
Is it? They sure don't offer workers the right to refuse membership.
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Lol at the anti union sentiment. Coach would have everyone work for nickels and dimes.
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Texas has successfully gotten rid of unions. Unless their head quartered out of state or cops/police
Sucks because they were made for works right but ended up being abused my those in charge
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Lol at the anti union sentiment. Coach would have everyone work for nickels and dimes.
Unions have morphed into somthing they where never intended to be. They take a lot of power away from management and are used as political barging chips. Teamsters... need I say more
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Far better to go back to the days of the Pyramid builder slaves .
Forcing anyone to pay a living wage and benefits was the death of the middle class ::)
It's criminal thinking that could force a CEO to cut back on his 3rd yacht instead of paying employee benefits.
I'm so ashamed of my father , who sucked off the GOV tit his entire life.
He waltzed thru military service on a deluxe, all expenses cruise on the USS Navy ship Coral Sea in WWII .
Then he spent a luxury vacation in the exotic Asian country of Korea.
My dad took a GOV handout benefit and went to school free on the GI Bill.
Then he took a GOV Union civil service job working on nuclear subs. Damn commie sub workers had a civil service UNION, wtf :o
Talk about an easy, do nothing job . Why do US tax payers need to pay for submarines?!
I can't believe he had the nerve to accept a pension after a mere 40 yrs of that cake walk.
My dad and those like him... a bunch of communist union slackers. ;)
UNIONS are Un-American...right?
My dad was a union organizer. I still think an employee shouldn't be held hostage by a union.
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Far better to go back to the days of the Pyramid builder slaves .
Forcing anyone to pay a living wage and benefits was the death of the middle class ::)
It's criminal thinking that could force a CEO to cut back on his 3rd yacht instead of paying employee benefits.
I'm so ashamed of my father , who sucked off the GOV tit his entire life.
He waltzed thru military service on a deluxe, all expenses cruise on the USS Navy ship Coral Sea in WWII .
Then he spent a luxury vacation in the exotic Asian country of Korea.
My dad took a GOV handout benefit and went to school free on the GI Bill.
Then he took a GOV Union civil service job working on nuclear subs. Damn commie sub workers had a civil service UNION, wtf :o
Talk about an easy, do nothing job . Why do US tax payers need to pay for submarines?!
I can't believe he had the nerve to accept a pension after a mere 40 yrs of that cake walk.
My dad and those like him... a bunch of communist union slackers. ;)
UNIONS are Un-American...right?
well Howard ask half of getbig and im a lazy pos for my military benefits
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Unions have morphed into somthing they where never intended to be. They take a lot of power away from management and are used as political barging chips
They are not always perfect but I am very happy to be a member. I am well aware of the alternative for what I do and it sux. Trust me, NO ONE is suffering here.
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The only effective answer to organized greed is organized labor.
36 reasons why you should thank a union, you fucking hypocrite pieces of shit .
1.Weekends without work
2.All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
3.Paid vacation
4.Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
5.Sick leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
9. 8-hour work day
10.Overtime pay
11.Child labor laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40-hour work week
14.Workers' compensation (workers' comp)
15.Unemployment insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace safety standards and regulations
18.Employer health care insurance
19.Collective bargaining rights for employees
20.Wrongful termination laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
22.Whistleblower protection laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
24.Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
26.Sexual harassment laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday pay
29.Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
30.Privacy rights
31.Pregnancy and parental leave
32.Military leave
33.The right to strike
34.Public education for children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
36.Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
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They are not always perfect but I am very happy to be a member. I am well aware of the alternative for what I do and it sux. Trust me, NO ONE is suffering here.
Im not saying their all bad. Here is a example. My dad was a director of the medical research company and his employees where union. He had several guys that where constantly late and also a few that failed random drug tests.. the union wouldn't let him fire them.. they where pretty much untouchable
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Great article on some draw backs of unions
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/unnecessary-and-political-why-unions-are-bad-for-america/258405/
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The misguided belief that one is somewhat educated is a scary thing!
Far better to go back to the days of the Pyramid builder slaves .
Forcing anyone to pay a living wage and benefits was the death of the middle class ::)
It's criminal thinking that could force a CEO to cut back on his 3rd yacht instead of paying employee benefits.
I'm so ashamed of my father , who sucked off the GOV tit his entire life.
He waltzed thru military service on a deluxe, all expenses cruise on the USS Navy ship Coral Sea in WWII .
Then he spent a luxury vacation in the exotic Asian country of Korea.
My dad took a GOV handout benefit and went to school free on the GI Bill.
Then he took a GOV Union civil service job working on nuclear subs. Damn commie sub workers had a civil service UNION, wtf :o
Talk about an easy, do nothing job . Why do US tax payers need to pay for submarines?!
I can't believe he had the nerve to accept a pension after a mere 40 yrs of that cake walk.
My dad and those like him... a bunch of communist union slackers. ;)
UNIONS are Un-American...right?
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Im not saying their all bad. Here is a example. My dad was a director of the medical research company and his employees where union. He had several guys that where constantly late and also a few that failed random drug tests.. the union wouldn't let him fire them.. they where pretty much untouchable
Bullshit. Your father is a liar. Sorry, but he is. I know people who were in unions and got fired for drug problems. The usual protocol is you send the person to rehab to get their act together. If they fail ANOTHER drug test, then they are canned. I've seen it happen countless times. I worked a union job for 5 years and my father worked a union job for 38 years. Guys were also fired for stealing on the job or physical aggression or threats toward other. The belief that you can do ANYTHING and not get fired as long as your part of a union is absurd.
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Bullshit. Your father is a liar. Sorry, but he is. I know people who were in unions and got fired for drug problems. The usual protocol is you send the person to rehab to get their act together. If they fail ANOTHER drug test, then they are canned. I've seen it happen countless times. Guys were also fired for stealing on the job or physical aggression or threats toward other. The belief that you can do ANYTHING and not get fired as long as your part of a union is absurd.
qft
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Im not saying their all bad. Here is a example. My dad was a director of the medical research company and his employees where union. He had several guys that where constantly late and also a few that failed random drug tests.. the union wouldn't let him fire them.. they where pretty much untouchable
I haven't seen this. Guys get fired all the time for stupid shit they've done.
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Bullshit. Your father is a liar. Sorry, but he is. I know people who were in unions and got fired for drug problems. The usual protocol is you send the person to rehab to get their act together. If they fail ANOTHER drug test, then they are canned. I've seen it happen countless times. Guys were also fired for stealing on the job or physical aggression or threats toward other. The belief that you can do ANYTHING and not get fired is absurd.
every union is different and operate under different guide lines. the fact was he to build up a case against someone in order to get approval from the union to terminate. A boss shouldn't have to build a case for review in order to let someone go. That's a waste of everyone's time
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every union is different and operate under different guide lines. the fact was he to build up a case against someone in order to get approval from the union to terminate. A boss shouldn't have to build a case for review in order to let someone go. That's a waste of everyone's time
Again, bullshit. I don't know any union that is going to allow physical aggression or blatant racism or theft. Sorry, your father is an obvious liar who hates unions. I know a lot of people in many different unions and these are pretty much solid ways to get fired.
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Bullshit. Your father is a liar. Sorry, but he is. I know people who were in unions and got fired for drug problems. The usual protocol is you send the person to rehab to get their act together. If they fail ANOTHER drug test, then they are canned. I've seen it happen countless times. I worked a union job for 5 years and my father worked a union job for 38 years. Guys were also fired for stealing on the job or physical aggression or threats toward other. The belief that you can do ANYTHING and not get fired as long as your part of a union is absurd.
Exactly! I don't know where some of these stories come from. Like I said, I see guys get laidoff, fired all the time because of drugs, or constant tardiness, laziness, not knowing what they are doing etc...
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The mob really fought for workers rights. God bless them.
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I just read that ones unions contract states that if a employee fails a drugs test he will not be terminated but will have to submit to 2 years of random drug test and he fails another he will be terminate. It all depends on what is written in the contact
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every union is different and operate under different guide lines. the fact was he to build up a case against someone in order to get approval from the union to terminate. A boss shouldn't have to build a case for review in order to let someone go. That's a waste of everyone's time
Yeah lets get rid of all unions because 1 guy failed a drug test ::), STFU you fucking government leech , I'm Union you wouldn't even last a day working next to me you lazy fuck.
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The only effective answer to organized greed is organized labor.
36 reasons why you should thank a union, you fucking hypocrite pieces of shit .
1.Weekends without work
2.All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
3.Paid vacation
4.Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
5.Sick leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
9. 8-hour work day
10.Overtime pay
11.Child labor laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40-hour work week
14.Workers' compensation (workers' comp)
15.Unemployment insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace safety standards and regulations
18.Employer health care insurance
19.Collective bargaining rights for employees
20.Wrongful termination laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
22.Whistleblower protection laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
24.Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
26.Sexual harassment laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday pay
29.Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
30.Privacy rights
31.Pregnancy and parental leave
32.Military leave
33.The right to strike
34.Public education for children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
36.Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
Fuck you. You forgot to mention that all union workers are not full time and have to feed their families as well. God for bid they go get another non-union shop for work while you assholes bitch about what you don't have and get labeled a "scab" and when they return they're jobs are gone. Tell me more.
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It's because of Unions all the ports on the West coast are down...are you freaking kidding me (Che)? You shut the country down because of your whiny asses? Blow me.
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Yeah lets get rid of all unions because 1 guy failed a drug test ::), STFU you fucking government leech , I'm Union you wouldn't even last a day working next to me you lazy fuck.
LMFAO
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Fuck you. You forgot to mention that all union workers are not full time and have to feed their families as well. God for bid they go get another non-union shop for work while you assholes bitch about what you don't have and get labeled a "scab" and when they return they're jobs are gone. Tell me more.
why don't you take a walk over to the docks and use your intelligence and amazing powers of persuasion to explain your insightful and nuanced political opinions to these lazy bastards.
I'm sure they would appreciate it and while you're there maybe you can sell them on a couple of tire flipping lessons
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I just read that ones unions contract states that if a employee fails a drugs test he will not be terminated but will have to submit to 2 years of random drug test and he fails another he will be terminate. It all depends on what is written in the contact
Exactly. You stated it was impossible to get fired from a union job. Right there delineates specific steps that if not are adhered to, will lead to a termination. Random drug tests could mean every day or every other day. So, if a guy made a mistake, but he is currently passing all drug tests and is doing a good job, and staying sober, why fire him? ??? ::) In fact, this is actually good. The job is ensuring for 2 years he stays clean to prove he has cleaned up his act.
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Fuck you. You forgot to mention that all union workers are not full time and have to feed their families as well. God for bid they go get another non-union shop for work while you assholes bitch about what you don't have and get labeled a "scab" and when they return they're jobs are gone. Tell me more.
You can be a real moron sometimes. Seriously.
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You shut the country down because of your whiny asses?
Yes , suck my cock Coach
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Yeah lets get rid of all unions because 1 guy failed a drug test ::), STFU you fucking government leech , I'm Union you wouldn't even last a day working next to me you lazy fuck.
you got me.
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You can be a real moron sometimes. Seriously.
Sometimes ? ;D
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Exactly. You stated it was impossible to get fired from a union job. Right there delineates specific steps that if not are adhered to, will lead to a termination. Random drug tests could mean every day or every other day. So, if a guy made a mistake, but he is currently passing all drug tests and is doing a good job, and staying sober, why fire him? ??? ::) In fact, this is actually good. The job is ensuring for 2 years he stays clean to prove he has cleaned up his act.
here is what I found.. Unions do have barging power when it comes to drug testing as long has it matches federal law. but state law depends on if you can terminate immediately or not
Depending on the state where you work, your employer may or may not be able to fire you for failing a drug test. Some states, such as Iowa, require companies to offer a treatment program to a worker who fails a drug test for the first time. You can only be fired if you don't complete the treatment program or test positive again. Other states, such as Connecticut, permit an employer to discipline or fire an employee for testing positive on a drug test.
But thing again im a lazy pos. when some one like CHE has all this rights that's unions give him. but I didn't ever get many of those right in the military, there was no overtime. no promised breaks, working for months straight, collective bargaining rights, the right to strike, paid holiday leave. man che has it ruff a real bad ass with those 40 hour work weeks.... but i'm lazy and wouldn't last one day in his job... ::)
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So what do these exploited dock workers want?
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why don't you take a walk over to the docks and use your intelligence and amazing powers of persuasion to explain your insightful and nuanced political opinions to these lazy bastards.
I'm sure they would appreciate it and while you're there maybe you can sell them on a coupe of tire flipping lessons
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here is what I found.. Unions do have barging power when it comes to drug testing as long has it matches federal law. but state law depends on if you can terminate immediately or not
Depending on the state where you work, your employer may or may not be able to fire you for failing a drug test. Some states, such as Iowa, require companies to offer a treatment program to a worker who fails a drug test for the first time. You can only be fired if you don't complete the treatment program or test positive again. Other states, such as Connecticut, permit an employer to discipline or fire an employee for testing positive on a drug test.
Basically, this sums it up: You were wrong when you originally thought that union workers had total immunity from ever being fired (that is what you indirectly implied, in my opinion). That is clearly not the case. Is it harder to get fired from a union job? Yes, but the idea that no one ever gets fired from unions is laughable. If a worker is continuously failing drug tests and drug treatment programs, no union is going to save his ass. You were wrong. Suck it up and move on.
As stated, I was a union worker for 5 years, my father for 38 years, and I have many family members in different unions. People get fired all the time from unions.
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Basically, this sums it up: You were wrong when you originally thought that union workers had total immunity from ever being fired (that is what you indirectly implied, in my opinion). That is clearly not the case. Is it harder to get fired from a union job? Yes, but the idea that no one ever gets fired from unions is laughable. If a worker is continuously failing drug tests and drug treatment programs, no union is going to save his ass. You were wrong. Suck it up and move on.
You too are wrong. I am part of a Union and you wouldn't believe the shit-stains they back and how many chances these fools get.
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You too are wrong. I am part of a Union and you wouldn't believe the shit-stains they back and how many chances these fools get.
No, I am not wrong. His original supposition was that union workers never get fired. That is clearly wrong. Union workers get fired all the time. It doesn't mean all union members get fired for doing bad shit, but union members do get fired. I have seen it happen. Of course it may differ depending on the unions, but no one is 100% immuned from being fired.
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Lmao... because non union employees are never lazy waste of space do-nothings... they're everywhere
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No, I am not wrong. His original supposition was that union workers never get fired. That is clearly wrong. Union workers get fired all the time. It doesn't mean all union members get fired for doing bad shit, but union members do get fired. I have seen it happen. Of course it may differ depending on the unions, but no one is 100% immuned from being fired.
I never said they couldn't get fired I said there pretty much untouchable if the union protects them. im sure some unions are more willing to let people go then others. I just know its difficult to fire someone.
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I never said they couldn't get fired I said there pretty much untouchable if the union protects them. im sure some unions are more willing to let people go then others. I just know its difficult to fire someone.
Pretty much untouchable is another way of saying they can basically never get fired, which is false.
:D :D :D
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You can be a real moron sometimes. Seriously.
Sorry, I was union commercial roofer and shop steward for 18 years then a union contractor (shop) for 9. I know the how the process works. I know whats fair and what isn't. All unions aren't bad but when comes to labor unions, they've helped destroy this country as well. You can't hold an economy hostage and expect others to not be able to feed their families.
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Sorry, I was union commercial roofer and shop steward for 18 years then a union contractor (shop) for 9. I know the how the process works. I know whats fair and what isn't. All unions aren't bad but when comes to labor unions, they've helped destroy this country as well. You can't hold an economy hostage and expect others to not be able to feed their families.
so you actively participated in the destruction of this country for 27 years ?
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the problem isn't unions, and the problem isn't management.
the problem is greedy unions and cruel mgmt.
in the middle, it's right for everyone. on the extremes, some bosses will work people to death for pennies, and some unions will grab $ and have workers doing nothing.
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the problem isn't unions, and the problem isn't management.
the problem is greedy unions and cruel mgmt.
in the middle, it's right for everyone. on the extremes, some bosses will work people to death for pennies, and some unions will grab $ and have workers doing nothing.
I always end up agreeing with various points from both sides when these Union discussions pop up.
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I always end up agreeing with various points from both sides when these Union discussions pop up.
yeah, without them, it's be horrible for workers. we see that list above - they really have helped things. and of course, those union dues have been abused to shit, we know that too.
I worked at a few wally during college - they were VERY anti-union. items all over the break room walls. most grocery stores I worked at, they mocked the idea of unions. "They only limit your wages!"
at publix, they had managers cheering an anti-union song... all while they had my ass working thru breaks and never getting raises according to what they said I would, making us work long, changing shifts, all sorts of shit.
if I was a grocery store lifer, you bet your ass i'd join a union... i've seen too many people work for ten years without much raises or movements. There was this one older guy Larry, he was union, worked at one of the stores with me probably 21 years back... he was SMART... union, deli guy, took all his breaks, nobody fcked with him, he just did his job and never worked too hard... didn't walk on eggshells. his hours and raises and movement were guaranteed. smart move for him.
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Was your old union based in Missouri?
Looks like your old pals ... ;)
no it was back when his name was jose martinez the roofer and they changed it to Joe Marino the Personal Trainer form Huntington beach
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Coach turned his back on the Hispanic community.
Thanks Obama
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The only effective answer to organized greed is organized labor.
36 reasons why you should thank a union, you fucking hypocrite pieces of shit .
1.Weekends without work
2.All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
3.Paid vacation
4.Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
5.Sick leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
9. 8-hour work day
10.Overtime pay
11.Child labor laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40-hour work week
14.Workers' compensation (workers' comp)
15.Unemployment insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace safety standards and regulations
18.Employer health care insurance
19.Collective bargaining rights for employees
20.Wrongful termination laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
22.Whistleblower protection laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
24.Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
26.Sexual harassment laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday pay
29.Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
30.Privacy rights
31.Pregnancy and parental leave
32.Military leave
33.The right to strike
34.Public education for children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
36.Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
About 20 of those are what sent all the factories to China, haha. That and Bubba and NAFTA...
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Im a union member and the reason the ships are sitting out there is because the employer isnt letting us work. Then they tell the media that were choosing not too. We go to work and they fire us after 2 hours. Are wages account for 1% of there profit. Without unions wed all being working as slaves
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My union is great. You can go on stress leave for six months if you say your boss is picking on you. I've seen it happen twice. Both were shiet bags.
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so you actively participated in the destruction of this country for 27 years ?
Lmao!! Like I said, he can be a real moron.
He chose a union job and became a union stewerd because he knew the alternative sux balls. He embraced the union like a kid hangs on to its moms leg and for good reason. Why not choose to work non union where you would get worked into the ground for nothing and then sit at home with fuck all when your body breaks in two, Coach?
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The greed of the poor man is morally superior to the greed of the rich man. It's obvious.
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The only effective answer to organized greed is organized labor.
36 reasons why you should thank a union, you fucking hypocrite pieces of shit .
1.Weekends without work
2.All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
3.Paid vacation
4.Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
5.Sick leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
9. 8-hour work day
10.Overtime pay
11.Child labor laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40-hour work week
14.Workers' compensation (workers' comp)
15.Unemployment insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace safety standards and regulations
18.Employer health care insurance
19.Collective bargaining rights for employees
20.Wrongful termination laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
22.Whistleblower protection laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
24.Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
26.Sexual harassment laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday pay
29.Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
30.Privacy rights
31.Pregnancy and parental leave
32.Military leave
33.The right to strike
34.Public education for children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
36.Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
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Sorry, I was union commercial roofer and shop steward for 18 years then a union contractor (shop) for 9. I know the how the process works. I know whats fair and what isn't. All unions aren't bad but when comes to labor unions, they've helped destroy this country as well. You can't hold an economy hostage and expect others to not be able to feed their families.
click this link and report back on your findings
http://www.iq-test.cc/
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If all employers treated their employees fairly, there would be no need for unions. Unfortunately, some employers still believe slavery is justified and legal. Before you trash labor unions, learn something about the labor movement in the U.S. over the last 100 years or so....you know back when it was legal for minors to work 12 hour days in deplorable conditions for pennies.
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The greed of the poor man is morally superior to the greed of the rich man. It's obvious.
It is obvious dumbfuck. There is nothing greedy about wanting to work reasonable hours and be able to enjoy your family and life. Wanting to drive a decent, reliable car, take a vacation or 2 a year, send your kids to college and not work until you die is not greedy. It's the American Dream. Shipping jobs overseas so you can make a billion dollars a year instead of 500 million is greedy. HTH.
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so you actively participated in the destruction of this country for 27 years ?
No dummy. My industry didn't participate in shutting down commerce to the country. Also. If we striked we (or at least most) wouldn't stop another worker from feeding his family by going to a non-union shop and when the strike was over they (at least I guaranteed their jobs back). Jesus Christ you're a dolt.
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About 20 of those are what sent all the factories to China, haha. That and Bubba and NAFTA...
So the fact that the Chinese are over worked/mandatory ot, working for pocket change in unsafe conditions, often living in company owned housing means Americans are missing out?
Like most topics in life unions are a double edged sword. It's not as simple as good vs evil. People want to say unions destroy industries but most can't name one (this is where someone says the auto industry, yet despite numerous union concessions and pay decreases the car companies still completely mismanaged their funds, needed bailouts and cars prices continued to increase).
Unions were extremely important to establish standards for work and life. Look at the Walton family (Walmart) they're among the richest people alive and their company has record profits, but look at their track record for employee wages (I know it's Walmart, get a real job, yada yada, but there is a huge segment of society that's not fit to become medical doctors).
Unions serve a purpose. As soon as China becomes unionized and production costs go up and it's more expensive to ship items over these companies will move back or find another underdeveloped country.
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The UFC is in need of a Union to help protect the talent from the likes of the scumbag Dana White and his mob owners...The WWE is long over due for a Union. How many Wrestlers have died because of the animals who run that organization?
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The UFC is in need of a Union to help protect the talent from the likes of the scumbag Dana White and his mob owners...The WWE is long over due for a Union. How many Wrestlers have died because of the animals who run that organization?
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Sports unions really show how things work on a large scale. During the last contract negotiations NBA owners were crying poverty and the players union was bleeding the game dry; profits were low and expenses were high. The players made pay concessions and teams started selling for record numbers. The Clippers went for $2 billion without an arena or practice facility.
(Let's not forgot these mega rich owners get public funds to build stadiums/arenas so communities will have the privilege to spend their money to support the franchise) And some think a general laborer would have a chance to earn a decent amount because the corporation is benevolent.
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Great in theory. In practice just another trumped up authority who thinks they get to tell me what I can't do and where I can't do it. I'm more of a do-as-I-choose and who-the-fuck-are-you guy, so no.
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No dummy. My industry didn't participate in shutting down commerce to the country. Also. If we striked we (or at least most) wouldn't stop another worker from feeding his family by going to a non-union shop and when the strike was over they (at least I guaranteed their jobs back). Jesus Christ you're a dolt.
you are a hypocrite and have a lame excuse for hating unions while enjoying the benefits of being in one earlier on your life.
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Great in theory. In practice just another trumped up authority who thinks they get to tell me what I can't do and where I can't do it. I'm more of a do-as-I-choose and who-the-fuck-are-you guy, so no.
I gotta admit, as a UFC fan I love the fact that Dana White runs that organization with a iron fist.
He's able to set up good match ups without any bullshit getting in the way.
Not sure how that would hold up if the fighters had more control.
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Unions were so important in this country and now for the most part are a political money collecting machine for evil. They blindly support Democrats while they shake down their members for dues that they live high on the hog on.
Some of the Unions in New Jersey appear to be Mafia run. One construction Union hall had a guy drive up to a big construction site in a brand new Cadillac. Work stopped and all the workers lined up and peeled off hundreds to a wise guy in a suit. They have to kick back in order to get picked out of the Union hall to work.
The teachers unions are so well funded in the NJ/NY area that they seem to have commercials on network tv every week. That's some money to waste. Aside from backing Democrats with Union money they always scream education is being under funded hurting kids. That's code for we need a higher paying contract.
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you are a hypocrite and have a lame excuse for hating unions while enjoying the benefits of being in one earlier on your life.
No...I saw the light and saw how labor unions (teamsters, etc) work. The roofing industry is never a 40hr 52 week job yet they still took out the same amount in union fees and yes, benefits. You have a second or third stage apprentice that grosses 600.00 (as an example) but takes home $300 and some change. Even a journeymen when less than 30-40hrs can't take home enough to feed his family. Most resort to doing weekend side work to make ends meet.
But when I see 30 + freighters out of my window lined up from the port of long beach past my house in HB. Thats bullshit, be it from the workers or the employers.
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Is it? They sure don't offer workers the right to refuse membership.
Exactly. Even AA doesn't force your sorry ass to join.
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Never saw a construction union rep who looked like he'd manage a day's work or even a flight of stairs. 280 pounds of tapioca poured into a skin sack. Always the site lift, these guys. Ya they're gonna do right by me because they've been in my shoes. ::)
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Exactly. Even AA doesn't force your sorry ass to join.
Plenty of non union work out there, I don't even understand what the point is you're making with that comment.
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This Union Talk makes me wanna watch Season 2 of the Wire again
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Plenty of non union work out there, I don't even understand what the point is you're making with that comment.
The guys who remodeled my kitchen were non-union workers. The guys who fixed my plumbing and painted my apartment were nonunion. There are probably more non-union companies than there are unions.
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You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.
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This Union Talk makes me wanna watch Season 2 of the Wire again
I keep hearing what a great show this is, but never watched it. Maybe I should.
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No...I saw the light and saw how labor unions (teamsters, etc) work. The roofing industry is never a 40hr 52 week job yet they still took out the same amount in union fees and yes, benefits. You have a second or third stage apprentice that grosses 600.00 (as an example) but takes home $300 and some change. Even a journeymen when less than 30-40hrs can't take home enough to feed his family. Most resort to doing weekend side work to make ends meet.
But when I see 30 + freighters out of my window lined up from the port of long beach past my house in HB. Thats bullshit, be it from the workers or the employers.
Are you trying to say the difference between your gross and net is union dues?? Cause that sure as hell sounds like the way your trying to spin it. Go back to flipping tires. You've lost all creditability
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You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.
True that.
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Unions were so important in this country and now for the most part are a political money collecting machine for evil. They blindly support Democrats while they shake down their members for dues that they live high on the hog on.
Some of the Unions in New Jersey appear to be Mafia run. One construction Union hall had a guy drive up to a big construction site in a brand new Cadillac. Work stopped and all the workers lined up and peeled off hundreds to a wise guy in a suit. They have to kick back in order to get picked out of the Union hall to work.
The teachers unions are so well funded in the NJ/NY area that they seem to have commercials on network tv every week. That's some money to waste. Aside from backing Democrats with Union money they always scream education is being under funded hurting kids. That's code for we need a higher paying contract.
C'mon, get serious, you saw that on the Sapranos... I swear the shit people make up.
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C'mon, get serious, you saw that on the Sapranos... I swear the shit people make up.
haha, yes. He has watched one too many italian mafia movies. :D :D
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Are you trying to say the difference between your gross and net is union dues?? Cause that sure as hell sounds like the way your trying to spin it. Go back to flipping tires. You've lost all creditability
No, pay attention. I stated no matter what your check is dues comes out along with whatever else that particular union takes. Some is taken out by the employees choice, like credit union checking/savings etc. I don't know what dues is anymore, it's been along time. If you work a 15hr week, those monies come out and when a family is struggling, that hurts.
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Far better to go back to the days of the Pyramid builder slaves .
Forcing anyone to pay a living wage and benefits was the death of the middle class ::)
It's criminal thinking that could force a CEO to cut back on his 3rd yacht instead of paying employee benefits.
I'm so ashamed of my father , who sucked off the GOV tit his entire life.
He waltzed thru military service on a deluxe, all expenses cruise on the USS Navy ship Coral Sea in WWII .
Then he spent a luxury vacation in the exotic Asian country of Korea.
My dad took a GOV handout benefit and went to school free on the GI Bill.
Then he took a GOV Union civil service job working on nuclear subs. Damn commie sub workers had a civil service UNION, wtf :o
Talk about an easy, do nothing job . Why do US tax payers need to pay for submarines?!
I can't believe he had the nerve to accept a pension after a mere 40 yrs of that cake walk.
My dad and those like him... a bunch of communist union slackers. ;)
UNIONS are Un-American...right?
only simple minded men are so politically steadfast as Coach. He should stay to lifting iron instead of his feeble attempt to understand the political sphere.
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No, pay attention. I stated no matter what your check is dues comes out along with whatever else that particular union takes. Some is taken out by the employees choice, like credit union checking/savings etc. I don't know what dues is anymore, it's been along time. If you work a 15hr week, those monies come out and when a family is struggling, that hurts.
I am paying attention. First off in construction, work is usually seasonal depending on your location. I know things always slow down during the winter months. Union dues deductions are negligible. It's the income tax deductions that shrink your paycheck. When I work overtime income tax deductions rise exponentially. That's what hurts.
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You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.
Every union rep I ever had forced upon me was bar none the shittiest, laziest, whiniest guy on the job. Never gave a shit about the work or helping other solid employees complete tasks. "Not my job," they'd inevitably say, while any other employee usually had no problem helping out.
To a man, all they talked about was "our rights," "our breaks/lunches," "our contracts," "our negotiations," "our grievances" - never once "our responsibilities." These were workers/reps, mind you; utterly useless pieces of shit, decades worth.
Never once saw them defend a decent worker, either; because good workers rarely, if ever, needed representation. Always just the other worthless malcontents who shoulda been fired anyway.
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Great in theory. In practice just another trumped up authority who thinks they get to tell me what I can't do and where I can't do it. I'm more of a do-as-I-choose and who-the-fuck-are-you guy, so no.
Agreed. Great historically as well. Outlived its usefulness years ago, unfortunately, along with every other well-intentioned movement.
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Every union rep I ever had forced upon me was bar none the shittiest, laziest, whiniest guy on the job. Never gave a shit about the work or helping other solid employees complete tasks. "Not my job," they'd inevitably say, while any other employee usually had no problem helping out.
To a man, all they talked about was "our rights," "our breaks/lunches," "our contracts," "our negotiations," "our grievances" - never once "our responsibilities." These were workers/reps, mind you; utterly useless pieces of shit, decades worth.
Never once saw them defend a decent worker, either; because good workers rarely, if ever, needed representation. Always just the other worthless malcontents who shoulda been fired anyway.
Ridiculous generalization. I have no idea what shit outfit you worked for.
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Ridiculous generalization. I have no idea what shit outfit you worked for.
Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.
It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?
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Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.
It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?
Unions must be drastically different then. I was in a union for 5 years, my father for 38, my brother is currently in one, and I have extended family members in different unions and their experiences have been much different than what you are describing. No system/organization is perfect, but overall, nothing like youre describing.
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Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.
It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?
This is democracy at the grass roots level. If a majority votes to unionize then you do. Or you can leave.
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This is democracy at the grass roots level. If a majority votes to unionize then you do. Or you can leave.
Good point. You're not forced to take the job and join their union. You can easily find another job with no union. This is America! Free to do whatever you want!!
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Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.
It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?
No one is forcing you to do anything . Don't like it, go somewhere else and good luck.
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You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.
Here is a "rare" example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Food_and_Commercial_Workers#2003_California_grocery_strike
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This is democracy at the grass roots level. If a majority votes to unionize then you do. Or you can leave.
Fair point. Still doesn't explain why they've evolved into worthless, bullying thugs.
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Fair point. Still doesn't explain why they've evolved into worthless, bullying thugs.
Bad morning? Blocked? ;D ;D
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Bad morning? Blocked? ;D ;D
Nothing personal, just don't enjoy arguing in PMs. On the board I can choose to respond or not; feel obligated in PMs. Just got be too much, my friend.
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Nothing personal, just don't enjoy arguing in PMs. On the board I can choose to respond or not; feel obligated in PMs. Just got be too much, my friend.
I prefer debates PM's. You can debate and answer when you want. I always feel more "obligated" coming back and keep posting on the thread. You know, we gotta think like Shizzo. Have to get the threads to 100+ posts or the forum will die.
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You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.
::) STFU Coach , 75% of our work is in the private sector.
Some of the companies we work for
3M
Allianz
General Mills
Home depot
Cabela's
Best Buy
Cargill
Sheraton
Ramada
Wells Fargo
Hospitals ,Hotels , Banks , small business................ .............. you name it.
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Some of the Unions in New Jersey appear to be Mafia run. One construction Union hall had a guy drive up to a big construction site in a brand new Cadillac. Work stopped and all the workers lined up and peeled off hundreds to a wise guy in a suit. They have to kick back in order to get picked out of the Union hall to work.
Bullshit
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I prefer debates PM's. You can debate and answer when you want. I always feel more "obligated" coming back and keep posting on the thread. You know, we gotta think like Shizzo. Have to get the threads to 100+ posts or the forum will die.
Actually don't debating anywhere much at all. I might just pop in and out with an opinion from time to time, maybe a follow up; but it's silly to go back and forth ad nauseum like we're gonna change anyone's mind about an issue.
Learned long ago there is zero to be gained challenging someone's fundamental beliefs, especially when we're polarized. That's what college was for. Things inevitably get ugly is all.
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::) STFU Coach , 75% of our work is in the private sector.
Some of the companies we work for
3M
Allianz
General Mills
Home depot
Cabela's
Best Buy
Cargill
Sheraton
Ramada
Wells Fargo
Hospitals ,Hotels , Banks , small business................ .............. you name it.
I'm talking mostly residential.
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I took this about 10min ago. This has been going on for over a week. How much commerce do you suppose are on these ships?
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I took this about 10min ago. This has been going on for over a week. How much commerce do you suppose are on these ships?
Oh no, the economy is going to implode.
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Boat loads of Chinese Crap on stand by , devastating
if only we had more shit made in the good ol' US OF A
we should worry more about exporting then importing
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Oh no, the economy is going to implode.
Don't be an idiot. This is going on along the entire West Coast.
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Don't be an idiot. This is going on along the entire West Coast.
Corporate profits and wealth and income inequality are at all-time highs and you bash dock workers trying to get fair labor contracts?
You're the idiot.
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Too bad Reagan ain't still around to lay the smackdown, like he did with the air traffic controllers.
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Every union rep I ever had forced upon me was bar none the shittiest, laziest, whiniest guy on the job. Never gave a shit about the work or helping other solid employees complete tasks. "Not my job," they'd inevitably say, while any other employee usually had no problem helping out.
To a man, all they talked about was "our rights," "our breaks/lunches," "our contracts," "our negotiations," "our grievances" - never once "our responsibilities." These were workers/reps, mind you; utterly useless pieces of shit, decades worth.
Never once saw them defend a decent worker, either; because good workers rarely, if ever, needed representation. Always just the other worthless malcontents who shoulda been fired anyway.
That's weird. Bob Chick is a great union rep for his athletes.
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Just be honest Coach, you ordered one of these to fix your lid and its on one of those boats. Thats why you're really pissed. ;D
(http://blogs.angloinfo.com/filled-chocolates/files/2011/05/flowbee1.jpg)
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Unions were so important in this country and now for the most part are a political money collecting machine for evil. They blindly support Democrats while they shake down their members for dues that they live high on the hog on.
Some of the Unions in New Jersey appear to be Mafia run. One construction Union hall had a guy drive up to a big construction site in a brand new Cadillac. Work stopped and all the workers lined up and peeled off hundreds to a wise guy in a suit. They have to kick back in order to get picked out of the Union hall to work.
The teachers unions are so well funded in the NJ/NY area that they seem to have commercials on network tv every week. That's some money to waste. Aside from backing Democrats with Union money they always scream education is being under funded hurting kids. That's code for we need a higher paying contract.
I don't live in NY or NJ so I am not an expert on union activity there. I am a longtime member of Oregon School Employees Association which is a union that represents about 22,000 classified school employees. I know first hand that the staff at OSEA aren't getting rich off their salaries. They do make fair and competitive wages which any business hoping to attract quality employees would expect to pay.
In Oregon, public schools are primarily state funded with some local tax revenue which varies depending on the school district. I live in a relatively wealthy community where folks voted additional school funding to maintain the high quality educational standards our population expects. This school district and one other in a neighboring community are the highest ranked school districts in the state.
School districts lobby for funding. The biggest part of school district budgets goes to wages and benefits which is consistent with any service industry. Bond levies are often the source of funding for capital improvements. Voters have to approve a bond levy. Supplies such as text books, computers and other such items is relatively small portion of school district budgets. The school district employees pay taxes like everyone else. It might surprise you to know that many of these employees don't like paying taxes anymore than anyone else does. To suggest employees lobby for higher taxes is just plain silly.
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Just be honest Coach, you ordered one of these to fix your lid and its on one of those boats. Thats why you're really pissed. ;D
(http://blogs.angloinfo.com/filled-chocolates/files/2011/05/flowbee1.jpg)
Hahaha, I can probably do a better job myself with that Flowbee than the dude who made me look like I had mange. lmao
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Interesting thread to see on a BB forum...
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, less than 7% of private-sector workers (6.6 percent), belong to a union. Wow! I think the decline of the middle class and the decline of unions is more than a correlation. The next time I hear some right-winger going on about how unions have so much power and influence, I'll wonder what country they're living in.
If organized labor wants to survive, they must embrace and push hard for the democratization of the workplace, e.g. worker-owned/self-directed enterprises. An analogy...as slavery came to an end, there existed a group who argued for better working/living conditions for the slaves. A second group looked hard at the situation and said basically that the problem wasn't that slaves were mistreated and abused. The real problem was that they were slaves! There is something to be said for being a "wage slave". Cheers!
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Every union rep I ever had forced upon me was bar none the shittiest, laziest, whiniest guy on the job. Never gave a shit about the work or helping other solid employees complete tasks. "Not my job," they'd inevitably say, while any other employee usually had no problem helping out.
To a man, all they talked about was "our rights," "our breaks/lunches," "our contracts," "our negotiations," "our grievances" - never once "our responsibilities." These were workers/reps, mind you; utterly useless pieces of shit, decades worth.
Never once saw them defend a decent worker, either; because good workers rarely, if ever, needed representation. Always just the other worthless malcontents who shoulda been fired anyway.
Most accurate post in the whole thread,
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As a large former employer of unionised labour in both manufacturing and dry wall contracting i can tell you unions are why im no longer in both industries directly.
No need to whine I just took my money and invested it elsewhere as I didn't need the exposure. As a self made person, I should be all for unions, but im not in-fact, there are people in this thread I like so i wont engage on this level. Not all union members are lazy, but all lazy employees are union,thats all i will say in my experience.
And I ran 150 to 200 men at my peak, and all my best guys got topped up over and above the rate of pay, you have to do that to keep them, its paying to high for the bad ones and not being able to get rid of them, hard to complain to a guy about being lazy when the laziest guy you ever met is the organiser.
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As a large former employer of unionised labour in both manufacturing and dry wall contracting i can tell you unions are why im no longer in both industries directly.
No need to whine I just took my money and invested it elsewhere as I didn't need the exposure. As a self made person, I should be all for unions, but im not in-fact, there are people in this thread I like so i wont engage on this level. Not all union members are lazy, but all lazy employees are union,thats all i will say in my experience.
And I ran 150 to 200 men at my peak, and all my best guys got topped up over and above the rate of pay, you have to do that to keep them, its paying to high for the bad ones and not being able to get rid of them, hard to complain to a guy about being lazy when the laziest guy you ever met is the organiser.
What's the rate of pay for your top drywaller?
There aren't any lazy drywallers outside of union boarders?
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There aren't any lazy drywallers outside of union boarders?
Of course not
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Walmart is taking it on the chin today as they've "decided", via litigation, raise employee wages above minimum wage. They said hours will be cut and the stock price has dropped.
Serious question, what would be the recommendation for a company like Walmart, unionize and make them pay employee benefits, or let them continue to take advantage of the powerless low level employees they have?
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As a large former employer of unionised labour in both manufacturing and dry wall contracting i can tell you unions are why im no longer in both industries directly.
No need to whine I just took my money and invested it elsewhere as I didn't need the exposure. As a self made person, I should be all for unions, but im not in-fact, there are people in this thread I like so i wont engage on this level. Not all union members are lazy, but all lazy employees are union,thats all i will say in my experience.
And I ran 150 to 200 men at my peak, and all my best guys got topped up over and above the rate of pay, you have to do that to keep them, its paying to high for the bad ones and not being able to get rid of them, hard to complain to a guy about being lazy when the laziest guy you ever met is the organiser.
I gotta call you on this. Getting rid of someone you don't like or doesn't measure up is the easiest thing to do in the unionized skilled trade industry. It's called a LAY OFF, two hours notice, no reason given. A lot of made up bullshit in this thread.
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I gotta call you on this. Getting rid of someone you don't like or doesn't measure up is the easiest thing to do in the unionized skilled trade industry. It's called a LAY OFF, two hours notice, no reason given. A lot of made up bullshit in this thread.
Exactly , when I lay off a lazy fuck ,sometimes the union call me and ask me why, I tell them because he is a worthless piece of shit ,that's it.
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Love this speech.
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So there are Union Guy in here saying they are garbage and other union members that defend it. ???
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As a large former employer of unionised labour in both manufacturing and dry wall contracting i can tell you unions are why im no longer in both industries directly.
No need to whine I just took my money and invested it elsewhere as I didn't need the exposure. As a self made person, I should be all for unions, but im not in-fact, there are people in this thread I like so i wont engage on this level. Not all union members are lazy, but all lazy employees are union,thats all i will say in my experience.
And I ran 150 to 200 men at my peak, and all my best guys got topped up over and above the rate of pay, you have to do that to keep them, its paying to high for the bad ones and not being able to get rid of them, hard to complain to a guy about being lazy when the laziest guy you ever met is the organiser.
It is safe to say that we can all find examples of good and bad when it comes to unions and union workers. As a union activist and "shop steward" for the classified employees at the school district where I worked for 30 years, I ran across my share of fuck-ups who definitely deserved to lose their jobs. Sometimes the best I could muster was a decent exit for them. Having confessed this, I will also say that I defended more than a couple of folks who were great employees and who were being railroaded out of their jobs for political reasons or just because their supervisors wanted to bring someone in that was their friend.
Some unions have a history of strong arming people who have no reason to belong to a union. My step-dad was a painting contractor. He primarily worked alone. Regardless of this, the painter's union in L.A. harassed him on the job to the point where he had to remove the advertisement for his business from his truck to avoid them. At different times, I worked for both union and non-union painting contractors. Aside from my dad, I also worked for another non-union contractor who was a great employer. In contrast, I worked for a union contractor who was a total jerk and who didn't pay his employees. The painter's union did nothing to help resolve this issue.
My long-winded point is there are examples of situations where unions have value and there are also examples of circumstances where it appears that unions are corrupt. It is never wise to generalize or stereotype these situations.
While unions are sometimes flawed, overall their presence has improved things for the working class. Remember this, if all employers treated their employees fairly, unions would cease to exist.
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I gotta call you on this. Getting rid of someone you don't like or doesn't measure up is the easiest thing to do in the unionized skilled trade industry. It's called a LAY OFF, two hours notice, no reason given. A lot of made up bullshit in this thread.
That was mentioned in one of my first posts. If there's a useless employee still hanging around its only the fault of the foreman/management. It is very easy to get rid of someone through a layoff scenario. Sorry, not enough work, bye.
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So there are Union Guy in here saying they are garbage and other union members that defend it. ???
Yes, because no system is perfect. Its not too difficult to understand. Most things in life are not "black and white." There are grey areas to just about everything. Not all unions are great or perfect. And not all are horrible.
At the end of the day, I would take a union job over a nonunion job. Most people would, even the ones in this thread saying how much they hate unions. ;) ;)