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I can answer this with a resounding NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that these questions are starting to become more in the open, that usually means we're starting to get closer to the truth about Otraitor.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a prospective Republican presidential contender, said Saturday he does not know whether President Obama is a Christian.
“I don’t know,” Walker said in an interview at the JW Marriott hotel in Washington, where he was attending the winter meeting of the National Governors Association.
Told that Obama has frequently spoken publicly about his Christian faith, Walker maintained that he was not aware of the president’s religion.
“I’ve actually never talked about it or I haven’t read about that,” Walker said, his voice calm and firm. “I’ve never asked him that,” he added. “You’ve asked me to make statements about people that I haven’t had a conversation with about that. How [could] I say if I know either of you are a Christian?”
Walker said such questions from reporters are reflective of a broader problem in the nation’s political-media culture, which he described as fixated on issues that are not relevant to most Americans.
“To me, this is a classic example of why people hate Washington and, increasingly, they dislike the press,” he said. “The things they care about don’t even remotely come close to what you’re asking about.”
Walker said he does not believe that most Americans care about such matters.“People in the media will [judge], not everyday people,” he said. “I would defy you to come to Wisconsin. You could ask 100 people, and not one of them would say that this is a significant issue.”
After the interview was completed, Walker spokeswoman Jocelyn Webster telephoned The Washington Post to say the governor was trying to make a point of principle by not answering such kinds of questions, not trying to cast doubt on Obama’s faith.
“Of course the governor thinks the president is a Christian,” she said. “He thinks these kinds of gotcha questions distract from what he’s doing as governor of Wisconsin to make the state better and make life better for people in his state.”
Walker’s comments Saturday came after a week in which he was asked repeatedly whether he agreed with former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani when he said at a private dinner last Wednesday that he was not sure whether Obama loves his country. Walker was a guest at the dinner.
Walker again declined Saturday to weigh in on Giuliani’s characterization of the president’s patriotism and background.
“I don’t know, I honestly don’t know, one way or the other,” Walker said. “I’ve said that 100 times, too.”
Some of Walker’s possible rivals for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination have issued statements about Giuliani’s remarks.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said late Friday in a statement distributed by aides: “Governor Bush doesn’t question President Obama’s motives. He does question President Obama’s disastrous policies.”
Earlier in the week, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal proactively declined to criticize the mayor. And while Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told a reporter that he also didn’t believe that Obama doesn’t love America, he criticized reporters for seizing too often on comments made by various political players.
On Saturday, Walker suggested that he is being held to a different standard than some Democrats. Citing Teamsters President James Hoffa’s criticism of the tea party movement at an Obama rally in 2011, Walker wondered why the president has also not been asked by reporters about controversial comments made by figures who are prominent on the left.
“Was it Jimmy Hoffa that ripped on the tea party and called them unpatriotic, and the president was standing there and nobody asked him that?” Walker asked. “To me, it seems I’ve had multiple days of an incredible double standard. They don’t ask the president about people like Jimmy Hoffa, they don’t ask Hillary Clinton about others out there.
“My focus isn’t on what the mayor said,” he continued, referring to Giuliani. “My focus is on why I believe, should I choose to get in this election, why I believe we need a fighter.”
Later Saturday, Walker was scheduled to attend a gathering of conservative leaders with anti-tax activist Grover G. Norquist.
Some figures on the right have consistently questioned Obama’s faith, with some suggesting that he is a Muslim. Obama, however, has often talked about his Christian faith, as he did recently at the National Prayer Breakfast.
Walker said Saturday that if he runs for president, he will focus on problems affecting the country, from tax policy and the economy to confronting Islamic State terrorists.
He was critical of Obama for not conveying strongly enough the breadth and depth of the threat from Islamic militants, mentioning the videos of beheadings and other barbaric acts.
“If I were in position to be commander in chief,” he said, “I would take nothing off the table. I would firmly say to the American people that I will do whatever it takes to make sure that no American’s son or daughter . . . will ever have to deal with the kind of horror we’ve seen on these kinds of videos.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/walker-says-he-is-unaware-whether-obama-is-a-christian/2015/02/21/6fde0bd0-ba17-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html
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why would anyone expect him to answer something like that for someone else??
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Ofag is a muslim
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why does this matter?
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why would anyone expect him to answer something like that for someone else??
Agreed
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why would anyone expect him to answer something like that for someone else??
Better yet, why would any other idiot assume someone else knows the definition of what a Christian is well enough to judge whether others are one or not? Talk about hypocrisy.
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Better yet, why would any other idiot assume someone else knows the definition of what a Christian is well enough to judge whether others are one or not? Talk about hypocrisy.
Because Imam Ayatollah Obama el Baracki acts look a radical jihadi that's why
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Because Imam Ayatollah Obama el Baracki acts look a radical jihadi that's why
Behavior is what matters - you're right - i've said that 1000 times.
Everyone's like "obama WANTS this, obama FEELS this way". Doesn't matter one bit - the only thing that matters are his ACTIONS - and many of them are fcking impeachable! A dude might WANT to bang a supermodel or rob a bank lol... tell me what he actually DOES.
I see people screaming about how obama FEELS about an issue, but these same people refuse to get upset about obama's treasonous ACTIONS!
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I can answer this with a resounding NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that these questions are starting to become more in the open, that usually means we're starting to get closer to the truth about Otraitor.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a prospective Republican presidential contender, said Saturday he does not know whether President Obama is a Christian.
“I don’t know,” Walker said in an interview at the JW Marriott hotel in Washington, where he was attending the winter meeting of the National Governors Association.
Told that Obama has frequently spoken publicly about his Christian faith, Walker maintained that he was not aware of the president’s religion.
“I’ve actually never talked about it or I haven’t read about that,” Walker said, his voice calm and firm. “I’ve never asked him that,” he added. “You’ve asked me to make statements about people that I haven’t had a conversation with about that. How [could] I say if I know either of you are a Christian?”
Walker said such questions from reporters are reflective of a broader problem in the nation’s political-media culture, which he described as fixated on issues that are not relevant to most Americans.
“To me, this is a classic example of why people hate Washington and, increasingly, they dislike the press,” he said. “The things they care about don’t even remotely come close to what you’re asking about.”
Walker said he does not believe that most Americans care about such matters.“People in the media will [judge], not everyday people,” he said. “I would defy you to come to Wisconsin. You could ask 100 people, and not one of them would say that this is a significant issue.”
After the interview was completed, Walker spokeswoman Jocelyn Webster telephoned The Washington Post to say the governor was trying to make a point of principle by not answering such kinds of questions, not trying to cast doubt on Obama’s faith.
“Of course the governor thinks the president is a Christian,” she said. “He thinks these kinds of gotcha questions distract from what he’s doing as governor of Wisconsin to make the state better and make life better for people in his state.”
Walker’s comments Saturday came after a week in which he was asked repeatedly whether he agreed with former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani when he said at a private dinner last Wednesday that he was not sure whether Obama loves his country. Walker was a guest at the dinner.
Walker again declined Saturday to weigh in on Giuliani’s characterization of the president’s patriotism and background.
“I don’t know, I honestly don’t know, one way or the other,” Walker said. “I’ve said that 100 times, too.”
Some of Walker’s possible rivals for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination have issued statements about Giuliani’s remarks.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said late Friday in a statement distributed by aides: “Governor Bush doesn’t question President Obama’s motives. He does question President Obama’s disastrous policies.”
Earlier in the week, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal proactively declined to criticize the mayor. And while Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told a reporter that he also didn’t believe that Obama doesn’t love America, he criticized reporters for seizing too often on comments made by various political players.
On Saturday, Walker suggested that he is being held to a different standard than some Democrats. Citing Teamsters President James Hoffa’s criticism of the tea party movement at an Obama rally in 2011, Walker wondered why the president has also not been asked by reporters about controversial comments made by figures who are prominent on the left.
“Was it Jimmy Hoffa that ripped on the tea party and called them unpatriotic, and the president was standing there and nobody asked him that?” Walker asked. “To me, it seems I’ve had multiple days of an incredible double standard. They don’t ask the president about people like Jimmy Hoffa, they don’t ask Hillary Clinton about others out there.
“My focus isn’t on what the mayor said,” he continued, referring to Giuliani. “My focus is on why I believe, should I choose to get in this election, why I believe we need a fighter.”
Later Saturday, Walker was scheduled to attend a gathering of conservative leaders with anti-tax activist Grover G. Norquist.
Some figures on the right have consistently questioned Obama’s faith, with some suggesting that he is a Muslim. Obama, however, has often talked about his Christian faith, as he did recently at the National Prayer Breakfast.
Walker said Saturday that if he runs for president, he will focus on problems affecting the country, from tax policy and the economy to confronting Islamic State terrorists.
He was critical of Obama for not conveying strongly enough the breadth and depth of the threat from Islamic militants, mentioning the videos of beheadings and other barbaric acts.
“If I were in position to be commander in chief,” he said, “I would take nothing off the table. I would firmly say to the American people that I will do whatever it takes to make sure that no American’s son or daughter . . . will ever have to deal with the kind of horror we’ve seen on these kinds of videos.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/walker-says-he-is-unaware-whether-obama-is-a-christian/2015/02/21/6fde0bd0-ba17-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html
Hey Dopey
Try reading past the headline next time
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Obama is a lying snake and pos fag who panders whoever is stupide enough to listen to him at the moment. So he will say "my muslim faith" when it matters, that "I am a devout Christian" when it matters, etc. This is all while telling NASA, DHS, etc to pander to Mooooooooslimbs, lecture people about the Crusades, etc.
Its the moronic Straw and andre types who buy into the obamamuslim circus act, no one else.
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Bunch of so called Christians judging others measure of Christianity when they themselves represent the total failure of the religion by their own hypocrisy.
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Obama is as much a Christian as most politicians. Meaning he's only as religious as he needs to be to get elected.
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Brilliant statement by Walker.
Very misleading headline... great point, straw. Walker mocks the stupidity of such a question.
typical of the liberal media and their readers to do this.
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Obama is as much a Christian as most politicians. Meaning he's only as religious as he needs to be to get elected.
This.
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Brilliant statement by Walker.
Very misleading headline... great point, straw. Walker mocks the stupidity of such a question.
typical of the liberal media and their readers to do this.
It takes a really stupid person to misinterpret this and try to perpetrate a biased view point from the article.
As we see from the existence of this thread.
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It takes a really stupid person to misinterpret this and try to perpetrate a biased view point from the article.
As we see from the existence of this thread.
I don't think Coach is stupid. I do think he just cut n' pasted this flawed article from a liberal news website out of emotion (hatred for obama), not because he read and understands Walker's position. It's cool, we all do it from time to time and have a thread backfire.
if anything, this thread showed us that the whole "i'm not sure about obama's beliefs..." from hilary, Guiliani, and a host of others is total bullshit. They refuse to tell us how they'd fix america, but they have no problem taking guesses on another man's inner beliefs? Walker gave a very honest and sophisticated answer. Starting to like him... focus on economy, stop shoveling red meat to the base voters.
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Hey Dopey
Try reading past the headline next time
Yeah, I read it. He's not going to address it. But I promise he know's that Obama isn't a Christian. He's just not going to make an issue of it like the media wants him too. What's so hard to understand about that, but then again you voted for Obama twice so understanding anything just isn't in you.
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I don't think Coach is stupid. I do think he just cut n' pasted this flawed article from a liberal news website out of emotion (hatred for obama), not because he read and understands Walker's position. It's cool, we all do it from time to time and have a thread backfire.
if anything, this thread showed us that the whole "i'm not sure about obama's beliefs..." from hilary, Guiliani, and a host of others is total bullshit. They refuse to tell us how they'd fix america, but they have no problem taking guesses on another man's inner beliefs? Walker gave a very honest and sophisticated answer. Starting to like him... focus on economy, stop shoveling red meat to the base voters.
That's bullshit. They're just not going to say it openly. If he isn't a muslim then he supports their ideologies. It's obvious he supports Muslims over Christians. As a matter of fact he doesn't support Christians at all nor the Jews. Just Muslims. Do the math!
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Yeah, I read it. He's not going to address it. But I promise he know's that Obama isn't a Christian. He's just not going to make an issue of it like the media wants him too. What's so hard to understand about that, but then again you voted for Obama twice so understanding anything just isn't in you.
If you actually read it then you don't understand it (which is not at all surprising)
he doesn't give a shit dumbass
Walker said such questions from reporters are reflective of a broader problem in the nation’s political-media culture, which he described as fixated on issues that are not relevant to most Americans.
“The things they care about don’t even remotely come close to what you’re asking about.”
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Yeah, I read it. He's not going to address it. But I promise he know's that Obama isn't a Christian. He's just not going to make an issue of it like the media wants him too. What's so hard to understand about that, but then again you voted for Obama twice so understanding anything just isn't in you.
Ironically he won't speak to another mans beliefs, yet you will certainly claim you know the guy thinks Obama isn't Christian. Sure wish you would take more from that article than what you apparently have..
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Obama is a Christian the same way as Michael Moore is a health and fitness advocate.
Its only the dumbest among us who voted for him whom believe a word from this con man
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Ironically he won't speak to another mans beliefs, yet you will certainly claim you know the guy thinks Obama isn't Christian. Sure wish you would take more from that article than what you apparently have..
I've said this in the past and got crap for it, but you can't be a Christian AND a Liberal. 50% of Catholics voted Obama, out of those 50% those would be the one's I don't consider true Christians. Just because someone goes to Church that doesn't make them a Christian, that being said Obama doesn't even attend Church. You can't support gay rights, abortion, etc and call yourself a Christian. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
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Obama's religion is anti-Americanism in whatever form it comes. Wether it be communism, Marxism, jihad, socialism, OWS, etc - Obama is for whatever tears this nation apart.
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obama's ACTIONS are what matters. The guy might fuck inflatable sheep for all I know. But his policy is what matters.
At this point, he should be impeached, and soul crusher agrees with me. I think he's the only one :(
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What a dumb question. He should expect many more if he becomes a contender.
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I've said this in the past and got crap for it, but you can't be a Christian AND a Liberal. 50% of Catholics voted Obama, out of those 50% those would be the one's I don't consider true Christians. Just because someone goes to Church that doesn't make them a Christian, that being said Obama doesn't even attend Church. You can't support gay rights, abortion, etc and call yourself a Christian. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
Hey Bum, here's a real example of a paranoid anti religious extremist for you
Jesus Christ Joe, who the fuck do you think you are telling people who and who can't be a christian
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Hey Bum, here's a real example of a paranoid anti religious extremist for you
Jesus Christ Joe, who the fuck do you think you are telling people who and who can't be a christian
I'm not telling anyone what they can or can't be. The Bible makes it pretty clear. The question has to be asked to "Christians" that support things like abortion. Nothing extremist about it. Either you believe it or you don't. Besides, I told you that how I feel. The way I feel may or may not be what other Christains feel.
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I'm not telling anyone what they can or can't be. The Bible makes it pretty clear. The question has to be asked to "Christians" that support things like abortion. Nothing extremist about it. Either you believe it or you don't. Besides, I told you that how I feel. The way I feel may or may not be what other Christains feel.
are these your words
I've said this in the past and got crap for it, but you can't be a Christian AND a Liberal. 50% of Catholics voted Obama, out of those 50% those would be the one's I don't consider true Christians. Just because someone goes to Church that doesn't make them a Christian, that being said Obama doesn't even attend Church. You can't support gay rights, abortion, etc and call yourself a Christian. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
looks like you're saying exactly that by YOUR INTERPRETATION they can't be christian
The bible doesn't say jack shit about political party affiliations in the United States
You're the one who is saying that
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do good christains take steriods ???
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All he he should have said was:
I don't know if Obama is a Christian as he claims - but damn sure he is a communist progressive socialist.
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All he he should have said was:
I don't know if Obama is a Christian as he claims - but damn sure he is a communist progressive socialist.
yeah that will get him votes :D
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do good christains take steriods ???
What is a christain?
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What is a christain?
christian
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do good christains take steriods ???
or get divorced 4 times or judge other christians on whether they are really christians?
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What is a christain?
Great question. :)
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are these your words
looks like you're saying exactly that by YOUR INTERPRETATION they can't be christian
The bible doesn't say jack shit about political party affiliations in the United States
You're the one who is saying that
Yes thats MY interpretation. No, the bible does not say anything about political affiliations. But you have a liberal politician (or repub for that matter) touting his faith as a Christian, then votes on bills that are clearly and blatantly against biblical Christian belief then I question that person (politician). But as of now, I have little faith in any of them. Yes, repubs as well.
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The fact that we are still debating this topic shows that it is still up in the air and still not answered definativaly. Obama acts like a haji, and mooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooosli m, yet claims he is a Christine. There is no record of his conversion or baptism or confirmation, etc - and all we have is his attendance at Rev. Wrights hate church as evidence. Same w "Fr. Flegar" another radical commie thug - who imam ayotalloah Obama el baracki befriended.
So the entire thing is very legit
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or get divorced 4 times or judge other christians on whether they are really christians?
I went though this all ready. look it up.
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The fact that we are still debating this topic shows that it is still up in the air and still not answered definativaly. Obama acts like a haji, and mooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooosli m, yet claims he is a Christine. There is no record of his conversion or baptism or confirmation, etc - and all we have is his attendance at Rev. Wrights hate church as evidence. Same w "Fr. Flegar" another radical commie thug - who imam ayotalloah Obama el baracki befriended.
So the entire thing is very legit
what's a christine ???
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608008872408909406&w=142&h=108&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2)
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what's a christine ???
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608008872408909406&w=142&h=108&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2)
Oh sorry - was posting about Obama cross dressing. ;)
No - though - Obama is not a Christian at all
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/scott-walker-was-too-nice-its-incredibly-obvious-that-barack-obama-isnt-a-Christian
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Scott Walker Was Too Nice. It’s Incredibly Obvious That Barack Obama Isn’t a Christian.
Feb. 23, 2015 12:11pm
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Many left wingers and Barack Obama sycophants are fainting over Gov. Scott Walker’s recent comments where he said doesn’t know if Obama is a Christian.
I disagree with Walker. I think we all know for sure Obama isn’t a Christian.
Of course, he only made this statement because some ridiculous reporter at the Washington Post thought it necessary and prudent to ask the governor of Wisconsin about the religious convictions of the president. The media that showed little interest in Obama’s religion during his presidential campaign have now discovered it as a relevant issue — relevant for Republican candidates, that is.
Obviously this was a trap question.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks during a meeting on jobs and education at the National Governors Association convention Saturday, July 12, 2014, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey) AP Photo/Mark Humphrey
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks during a meeting on jobs and education at the National Governors Association convention Saturday, July 12, 2014, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey) AP Photo/Mark Humphrey
If Walker had said “yes,” then the headline would be something like, “Scott Walker Renounces Conservatism, Calls Obama a Wonderful, Godly Christian,” or if they went the other route, it would be, “Racist Scott Walker Assumes Obama Is a Christian Because He’s Black.”
But if Walker had said “no,” the headlines about his unseemly attack on the president’s faith would be automatic. And, it turns out, they were automatic even though he tried to take the middle road.
This should be a lesson to Republicans everywhere (then again, a million things a week should be lessons to Republicans, yet they don’t seem to learn). You never win, no matter what, under any circumstance, when the liberal media set out to trap you. It doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it.
These are dishonest people, and dishonest people are notoriously unconcerned with what actually happens or what is actually said. The moment they put a camera in front of your face, you’re screwed.
So what can you do? Well, you can stow away in a cave and hope they never find you, but it can be difficult to run a campaign that way, so the next best strategy is to call them on their crap whenever given the opportunity.
The governor lightly scolded the reporter for playing games — progress, I suppose — but If I were him, I would have come down much, much harder.
Here, for the record, is the appropriate way to respond:
Do I think Obama is a Christian? Do I look like his biographer? Why not ask me his shoe size next? Maybe his preferred Sleep Number setting? Truly, sir, this line of questioning is the dumbest thing I’ve encountered since the last time I encountered a reporter from the Washington Post. Why in the name of all that is holy are you quizzing me about the president’s religion? Why don’t you quiz him? Oh, that’s right, you’re a groveling coward and a pathetic excuse for a journalist. You forget that you’re job is to get to the truth and enlighten the people, not to seek out Republicans for cheap gotcha moments. You, sir, are a fraud, a disgrace, and an embarrassment to what’s left of your dying profession. This president has prosecuted, spied on, and stifled the media, yet you still carry his water like a spineless vassal. Why don’t you shine his shoes while you’re at it? You should be questioning authority, not shielding it from scrutiny, you shameless hack. I will not legitimize you by answering this question. Instead, I will pray that the Holy Spirit sees fit to endow you with even a shred of integrity and courage, so that you might one day decide to do something that in some way resembles journalism. Until then, please leave my presence before I become physically ill. Thank you, sir, good night.
I’ll tell you one thing: the first candidate who says this to the media will have my vote.
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I don’t blame Walker for punting, but it’s rather sad that “questioning the president’s faith” (even though he didn’t) is somehow considered out of bounds. Why shouldn’t we question it? The president deserves to have his faith questioned. Walker was generous, really. I think we do know a thing or two about his religion, and we know that whatever it is, it isn’t Christianity.
As everyone has heard, Obama came of age in Jeremiah Wright’s church, learning that white people are bad and God hates America. He was indoctrinated into a heresy called Black Liberation Theology, which teaches, among other things, that Jesus was a black man who came to free the black race, and that whites can earn salvation through paying reparations to black people.
We could call this as an open and shut case right here. Yet the matter is significantly more definitive than the fact that Obama merely belongs to a fringe, heretical left wing sect invented in the 60′s by Black Power radicals.
AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster
AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster
Scripture tells us that we shall know a man by his fruits (Matthew 7:16), and that many who speak His name in public will be told to depart from Him in the end (Matthew 7:23). It’s clear that being a Christian, therefore, is about more than simply declaring it verbally. That faith in Christ, if it is real, must manifest itself like fruit from a tree, and become something tangible and experienceable.
Now I don’t mean to turn this into a homily, but it is interesting to note that Jesus said “by their fruits you will know them.” So far all this talk about how we shouldn’t “judge” others, it seems that Christ is specifically telling us to make judgments about a person based on what they do. How else could we come to know a man by his actions? The insinuation here is that sometimes a person might say one thing but do another, and Jesus wants us to look at what they do and make judgments accordingly. That doesn’t mean we’re omnipotent; it just means we shouldn’t go around like blind idiots (my word, not His) believing everything everyone says, no matter how they actually conduct themselves.
If you declare verbally that you are Christian but then insist that Christ has called you to do any number of atrocious things, it is obvious that you are either lying, or you are adhering to some version of the faith that bears not even the vaguest similarity to anything that might be considered Biblical Christianity. That is an OK judgment for us to make, and more than OK, it’s essential. I am not saying that someone isn’t a Christian if they sin. I’m saying that someone isn’t a Christian if they believe that Jesus endorses, condones, or loves sin.
In the case of Obama, we could look at how he has attacked religious freedom in this country and attempted to force Christians to abandon their beliefs for the sake of his political ideology; we could look at how he has aided and abetted the persecutors of Christians overseas, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of Christian martyrs; we could look at his “evolving” position on gay marriage; we could look at how he excuses Islamic terrorism and draws moral equivalencies between Muslim killers and Christians; we could look at his pathological dishonesty, his cynical exploitation of racial tensions, and his general corruption and unwavering narcissism. But all of these things might be written off as him simply exhibiting the characteristics of a weak man, a crooked politician, an inept leader, and a fool. He could theoretically be all of those things and still a Christian.
Leave all of that aside, then. The thing above all else that really reveals his true faith (or lack thereof) is his undying passion for, support of, and belief in abortion.
There has never been a mainstream politician, much less a president, as vociferous about infanticide as this man. While a state senator, he supported every single piece of pro-abortion legislation he came across, earning a 100 percent grade from Planned Parenthood and NARAL. In his crowning “pro-choice” moment, he opposed a bill to protect infants born alive during an abortion. To be clear: he was, and by all accounts still is, in favor of executing infant children by decapitation or lethal injection if they manage to survive an abortion attempt. Any thought that he might have softened that position vanished during the Kermit Gosnell trial, when he refused to categorically condemn and denounce what Gosnell did.
Anti-abortion demonstrators hold signs during a Priests for Life protest outside the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit Court as the Court hears the oral arguments in the "Priests for Life v. US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)" case in Washington, DC, on May 8, 2014. The case centers around the HHS mandate in the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare, that religious organizations must cover contraceptions and abortion as part of their health insurance benefits, even if that goes against the organization's religious beliefs. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB
Anti-abortion demonstrators hold signs during a Priests for Life protest outside the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit Court as the Court hears the oral arguments in the “Priests for Life v. US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)” case in Washington, DC, on May 8, 2014. The case centers around the HHS mandate in the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare, that religious organizations must cover contraceptions and abortion as part of their health insurance benefits, even if that goes against the organization’s religious beliefs. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB
Meanwhile, Obama has funneled more money to abortion clinics than any president before him, handing out billions (that’s billions, with a ‘b’) to Planned Parenthood during his time in office.
He has tried to legally require that abortifacients be covered by employer health plans, even forcing the mandate on nuns.
He took conscience rights away from hospital workers who might not want to be involved in an abortion procedure.
He’s forced taxpayers to pay for abortions overseas, and overturned prohibitions on international abortion funding in one of his very first acts as president.
He’s appointed pro-abortion judges and officials at every opportunity, and chose a radical pro-abortion feminist to head up Health and Human Services.
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
He’s said on multiple occasions that a woman’s ability to live a successful life hinges on her access to abortion, even marking the occasion of the March For Life by issuing a statement calling abortion an essential ingredient in a woman’s quest to fulfill her dreams.
He hasn’t been merely pro-abortion; this has in fact been the one cause he’s consistently trumpeted and advanced during the course of not just his presidency, but his entire life as a public official.
And, possibly most damning of all, in what I believe is the quintessential and, though this is saying a lot, the most despicable moment of his horrible, deadly reign, he attended a Planned Parenthood fundraiser (first president to do that) where he wished for God to bless the abortionists in attendance (not bless them that they may repent, but bless them that they may continue their genocidal mission).
Now we are left to look upon these bloody fruits, and as Jesus commanded, figure out what we know about him by them.
Obama is either lying about his belief in Christ or he honestly believes Christ blesses abortion
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We know that Obama is either lying about his belief in Christ (my guess) or he honestly believes that Christ blesses abortion and wants to see more of His children ripped to shreds and tossed in medical waste dumpsters. Obama hasn’t just done every conceivable thing in his power to bring about that end, he has done so while invoking the name of God. What sort of Christianity is this? And I hate to think what sort of Christians we are, that so many of us think it impolite to loudly say: “If you believe in a Jesus who celebrates the slaughter of babies, you do not believe in Jesus.”
While many of us try to equivocate and make excuses for men like Obama, it was Jesus who spoke out in terms that, nowadays, would lead to Him being scolded and disowned by many Christians. Christ Himself, who loved children and made it clear that the smallest among us should always be welcomed and protected, said:
If anyone causes harm to these little ones, it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Did you catch that? Can we all take a moment to let that one sink in (no pun intended)? You would be better off dead than harming a child. It would be wiser to literally drown in the ocean than do anything that would bring harm, whether physical or spiritual, to a child. That’s God talking. Do we think He was joking? Exaggerating? Just blowing off steam? Does he need to calm down and be reasonable, as pro-lifers are constantly told when they make statements not nearly as strident and damning?
No. This was a direct statement. A command. A promise. When you bring harm to the innocent, you commit a sin so terrible that physical death would be preferable. That’s how much Jesus loves children. He loves them far more deeply and eternally than you love even your own kids. So how could anyone try to turn that Jesus, this Jesus, the Jesus, into a God who blesses abortion? And how could they commit such a heresy and still expect to be considered a Christian in any substantive way?
In this Jan. 25, 2013 file photo, pro-abortion rights activists, rally face-to-face against anti-abortion demonstrators as both march in front of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington in a demonstration that coincides with the 40th anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade decision that legalized abortion. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)
In this Jan. 25, 2013 file photo, pro-abortion rights activists, rally face-to-face against anti-abortion demonstrators as both march in front of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington in a demonstration that coincides with the 40th anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade decision that legalized abortion. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)
Whatever small doubts still exist, if the media wanted to do their jobs (an urge few of them have ever felt), they could always ask Obama these questions. They can continue to harass Republican governors about Obama’s convictions, or they could target the inquiries to the person who might arguably be most suited to answer them. I think the president has already made his feelings clear, but if I were in a position where I could pose a question to the commander in chief, I’d ask this:
Mr. President, do you believe that Jesus Christ condones, endorses, blesses, loves, or otherwise supports a woman’s right to choose abortion?
If anyone at any newspaper, news outlet, or cable news station had any guts at all, they’d force Obama to answer this. And if he says anything other than “no, absolutely not,” he would confirm that he either does not believe in Christ, or believes in a Christ who takes no issue with the butchering of babies. Either way, he would not be a Christian. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Not by any definition of the term. Not by any possible reading of the Bible. And this is a judgment we can make. We should make. We have to make. Anyone who believes in a Jesus who condones abortion does not believe in the real Jesus, and therefore is not Christian. Period. Definitive statement. I will confidently meet my final judgement knowing that I will be held accountable for making this judgment.
When that time comes, when I am standing naked before my Creator, I know I will have many faults for which to answer, and I will fall to my knees weeping and begging God to take mercy on my selfish, weak, sinful soul. But I know that this will not be among the misdeeds I will be made to account for. Drawing a line that clearly separates and distinguishes Christianity from pro-abortion zealotry — that is something that no Christian will ever be punished for.
I fear, however, that many millions might be punished for not doing so. I take no pleasure in imagining Christ standing before those polite and pious folks who ignored, excused, and overlooked the mass murder of His children, and saying, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”
Is Obama a Christian? By his words, actions, professed beliefs, policies, and general enthusiasm for baby killing, I think we have very many reasons to assume he isn’t. All the more so when you consider that, according to his closest adviser, Obama used his alleged faith to manipulate Christian voters, only to later turn around and use their support to advance the cause of homosexual marriage. Do you see what happened there? Taking Obama at his word led many Christians to vote a man into office who, it turns out, disagrees rather passionately with many of the Bible’s commandments.
It’s funny, left-leaning Christians will often proclaim that jihadist Muslims aren’t real Muslims, but if anyone suggests that infanticidal pro-abortion fanatics aren’t real Christians, suddenly it’s quite inappropriate to accuse anyone of not being sincere in their faith professions. Nonsense. If you can do it with Islam, I can do it with Christianity. Obama himself has made these delineations with the Muslim faith. I guess that brings us back to the “judging” thing in the Bible. Jesus, despite popular belief, never says “don’t judge.” He says, “in the same way you judge others, so you too shall be judged” (Matthew 7:2).
Well, Obama judges the authenticity of other people’s religious sentiments frequently. I think he deserves to be measured by that same measure. (And before you accuse me of equating abortion with terrorism, please understand that, yes, I am equating the two).
Sure, I suppose there is at some level a chance that Obama believes sincerely in Christ and His precepts, yet he does all of these things and says all of these things and advances all of these satanic causes in spite of that faith. I have to hope for his sake that this very unlikely scenario isn’t the reality. It would be a dark and depraved sin, a moral crime beyond comprehension, for a Christian to know the truth and believe it, and still work tirelessly to, among other things, assist in the massacre of infants.
You see, when I say that I don’t believe Obama is a Christian, I’m coming to a conclusion based on all of the available evidence, but I’m also, in the end, giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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or get divorced 4 times or judge other christians on whether they are really christians?
daaaaaam 4 times,talk about glass houses :D
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daaaaaam 4 times,talk about glass houses :D
Obama walks in glass slippers like a 2 bit whore - whats your point?
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Scott Walker Was Too Nice. It’s Incredibly Obvious That Barack Obama Isn’t a Christian.
Feb. 23, 2015 12:11pm
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Many left wingers and Barack Obama sycophants are fainting over Gov. Scott Walker’s recent comments where he said doesn’t know if Obama is a Christian.
I disagree with Walker. I think we all know for sure Obama isn’t a Christian.
Of course, he only made this statement because some ridiculous reporter at the Washington Post thought it necessary and prudent to ask the governor of Wisconsin about the religious convictions of the president. The media that showed little interest in Obama’s religion during his presidential campaign have now discovered it as a relevant issue — relevant for Republican candidates, that is.
Obviously this was a trap question.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks during a meeting on jobs and education at the National Governors Association convention Saturday, July 12, 2014, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey) AP Photo/Mark Humphrey
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks during a meeting on jobs and education at the National Governors Association convention Saturday, July 12, 2014, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey) AP Photo/Mark Humphrey
If Walker had said “yes,” then the headline would be something like, “Scott Walker Renounces Conservatism, Calls Obama a Wonderful, Godly Christian,” or if they went the other route, it would be, “Racist Scott Walker Assumes Obama Is a Christian Because He’s Black.”
But if Walker had said “no,” the headlines about his unseemly attack on the president’s faith would be automatic. And, it turns out, they were automatic even though he tried to take the middle road.
This should be a lesson to Republicans everywhere (then again, a million things a week should be lessons to Republicans, yet they don’t seem to learn). You never win, no matter what, under any circumstance, when the liberal media set out to trap you. It doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it.
These are dishonest people, and dishonest people are notoriously unconcerned with what actually happens or what is actually said. The moment they put a camera in front of your face, you’re screwed.
So what can you do? Well, you can stow away in a cave and hope they never find you, but it can be difficult to run a campaign that way, so the next best strategy is to call them on their crap whenever given the opportunity.
The governor lightly scolded the reporter for playing games — progress, I suppose — but If I were him, I would have come down much, much harder.
Here, for the record, is the appropriate way to respond:
Do I think Obama is a Christian? Do I look like his biographer? Why not ask me his shoe size next? Maybe his preferred Sleep Number setting? Truly, sir, this line of questioning is the dumbest thing I’ve encountered since the last time I encountered a reporter from the Washington Post. Why in the name of all that is holy are you quizzing me about the president’s religion? Why don’t you quiz him? Oh, that’s right, you’re a groveling coward and a pathetic excuse for a journalist. You forget that you’re job is to get to the truth and enlighten the people, not to seek out Republicans for cheap gotcha moments. You, sir, are a fraud, a disgrace, and an embarrassment to what’s left of your dying profession. This president has prosecuted, spied on, and stifled the media, yet you still carry his water like a spineless vassal. Why don’t you shine his shoes while you’re at it? You should be questioning authority, not shielding it from scrutiny, you shameless hack. I will not legitimize you by answering this question. Instead, I will pray that the Holy Spirit sees fit to endow you with even a shred of integrity and courage, so that you might one day decide to do something that in some way resembles journalism. Until then, please leave my presence before I become physically ill. Thank you, sir, good night.
I’ll tell you one thing: the first candidate who says this to the media will have my vote.
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I don’t blame Walker for punting, but it’s rather sad that “questioning the president’s faith” (even though he didn’t) is somehow considered out of bounds. Why shouldn’t we question it? The president deserves to have his faith questioned. Walker was generous, really. I think we do know a thing or two about his religion, and we know that whatever it is, it isn’t Christianity.
As everyone has heard, Obama came of age in Jeremiah Wright’s church, learning that white people are bad and God hates America. He was indoctrinated into a heresy called Black Liberation Theology, which teaches, among other things, that Jesus was a black man who came to free the black race, and that whites can earn salvation through paying reparations to black people.
We could call this as an open and shut case right here. Yet the matter is significantly more definitive than the fact that Obama merely belongs to a fringe, heretical left wing sect invented in the 60′s by Black Power radicals.
AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster
AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster
Scripture tells us that we shall know a man by his fruits (Matthew 7:16), and that many who speak His name in public will be told to depart from Him in the end (Matthew 7:23). It’s clear that being a Christian, therefore, is about more than simply declaring it verbally. That faith in Christ, if it is real, must manifest itself like fruit from a tree, and become something tangible and experienceable.
Now I don’t mean to turn this into a homily, but it is interesting to note that Jesus said “by their fruits you will know them.” So far all this talk about how we shouldn’t “judge” others, it seems that Christ is specifically telling us to make judgments about a person based on what they do. How else could we come to know a man by his actions? The insinuation here is that sometimes a person might say one thing but do another, and Jesus wants us to look at what they do and make judgments accordingly. That doesn’t mean we’re omnipotent; it just means we shouldn’t go around like blind idiots (my word, not His) believing everything everyone says, no matter how they actually conduct themselves.
If you declare verbally that you are Christian but then insist that Christ has called you to do any number of atrocious things, it is obvious that you are either lying, or you are adhering to some version of the faith that bears not even the vaguest similarity to anything that might be considered Biblical Christianity. That is an OK judgment for us to make, and more than OK, it’s essential. I am not saying that someone isn’t a Christian if they sin. I’m saying that someone isn’t a Christian if they believe that Jesus endorses, condones, or loves sin.
In the case of Obama, we could look at how he has attacked religious freedom in this country and attempted to force Christians to abandon their beliefs for the sake of his political ideology; we could look at how he has aided and abetted the persecutors of Christians overseas, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of Christian martyrs; we could look at his “evolving” position on gay marriage; we could look at how he excuses Islamic terrorism and draws moral equivalencies between Muslim killers and Christians; we could look at his pathological dishonesty, his cynical exploitation of racial tensions, and his general corruption and unwavering narcissism. But all of these things might be written off as him simply exhibiting the characteristics of a weak man, a crooked politician, an inept leader, and a fool. He could theoretically be all of those things and still a Christian.
Leave all of that aside, then. The thing above all else that really reveals his true faith (or lack thereof) is his undying passion for, support of, and belief in abortion.
There has never been a mainstream politician, much less a president, as vociferous about infanticide as this man. While a state senator, he supported every single piece of pro-abortion legislation he came across, earning a 100 percent grade from Planned Parenthood and NARAL. In his crowning “pro-choice” moment, he opposed a bill to protect infants born alive during an abortion. To be clear: he was, and by all accounts still is, in favor of executing infant children by decapitation or lethal injection if they manage to survive an abortion attempt. Any thought that he might have softened that position vanished during the Kermit Gosnell trial, when he refused to categorically condemn and denounce what Gosnell did.
Anti-abortion demonstrators hold signs during a Priests for Life protest outside the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit Court as the Court hears the oral arguments in the "Priests for Life v. US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)" case in Washington, DC, on May 8, 2014. The case centers around the HHS mandate in the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare, that religious organizations must cover contraceptions and abortion as part of their health insurance benefits, even if that goes against the organization's religious beliefs. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB
Anti-abortion demonstrators hold signs during a Priests for Life protest outside the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit Court as the Court hears the oral arguments in the “Priests for Life v. US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)” case in Washington, DC, on May 8, 2014. The case centers around the HHS mandate in the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare, that religious organizations must cover contraceptions and abortion as part of their health insurance benefits, even if that goes against the organization’s religious beliefs. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB
Meanwhile, Obama has funneled more money to abortion clinics than any president before him, handing out billions (that’s billions, with a ‘b’) to Planned Parenthood during his time in office.
He has tried to legally require that abortifacients be covered by employer health plans, even forcing the mandate on nuns.
He took conscience rights away from hospital workers who might not want to be involved in an abortion procedure.
He’s forced taxpayers to pay for abortions overseas, and overturned prohibitions on international abortion funding in one of his very first acts as president.
He’s appointed pro-abortion judges and officials at every opportunity, and chose a radical pro-abortion feminist to head up Health and Human Services.
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
He’s said on multiple occasions that a woman’s ability to live a successful life hinges on her access to abortion, even marking the occasion of the March For Life by issuing a statement calling abortion an essential ingredient in a woman’s quest to fulfill her dreams.
He hasn’t been merely pro-abortion; this has in fact been the one cause he’s consistently trumpeted and advanced during the course of not just his presidency, but his entire life as a public official.
And, possibly most damning of all, in what I believe is the quintessential and, though this is saying a lot, the most despicable moment of his horrible, deadly reign, he attended a Planned Parenthood fundraiser (first president to do that) where he wished for God to bless the abortionists in attendance (not bless them that they may repent, but bless them that they may continue their genocidal mission).
Now we are left to look upon these bloody fruits, and as Jesus commanded, figure out what we know about him by them.
Obama is either lying about his belief in Christ or he honestly believes Christ blesses abortion
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We know that Obama is either lying about his belief in Christ (my guess) or he honestly believes that Christ blesses abortion and wants to see more of His children ripped to shreds and tossed in medical waste dumpsters. Obama hasn’t just done every conceivable thing in his power to bring about that end, he has done so while invoking the name of God. What sort of Christianity is this? And I hate to think what sort of Christians we are, that so many of us think it impolite to loudly say: “If you believe in a Jesus who celebrates the slaughter of babies, you do not believe in Jesus.”
While many of us try to equivocate and make excuses for men like Obama, it was Jesus who spoke out in terms that, nowadays, would lead to Him being scolded and disowned by many Christians. Christ Himself, who loved children and made it clear that the smallest among us should always be welcomed and protected, said:
If anyone causes harm to these little ones, it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Did you catch that? Can we all take a moment to let that one sink in (no pun intended)? You would be better off dead than harming a child. It would be wiser to literally drown in the ocean than do anything that would bring harm, whether physical or spiritual, to a child. That’s God talking. Do we think He was joking? Exaggerating? Just blowing off steam? Does he need to calm down and be reasonable, as pro-lifers are constantly told when they make statements not nearly as strident and damning?
No. This was a direct statement. A command. A promise. When you bring harm to the innocent, you commit a sin so terrible that physical death would be preferable. That’s how much Jesus loves children. He loves them far more deeply and eternally than you love even your own kids. So how could anyone try to turn that Jesus, this Jesus, the Jesus, into a God who blesses abortion? And how could they commit such a heresy and still expect to be considered a Christian in any substantive way?
In this Jan. 25, 2013 file photo, pro-abortion rights activists, rally face-to-face against anti-abortion demonstrators as both march in front of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington in a demonstration that coincides with the 40th anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade decision that legalized abortion. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)
In this Jan. 25, 2013 file photo, pro-abortion rights activists, rally face-to-face against anti-abortion demonstrators as both march in front of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington in a demonstration that coincides with the 40th anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade decision that legalized abortion. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)
Whatever small doubts still exist, if the media wanted to do their jobs (an urge few of them have ever felt), they could always ask Obama these questions. They can continue to harass Republican governors about Obama’s convictions, or they could target the inquiries to the person who might arguably be most suited to answer them. I think the president has already made his feelings clear, but if I were in a position where I could pose a question to the commander in chief, I’d ask this:
Mr. President, do you believe that Jesus Christ condones, endorses, blesses, loves, or otherwise supports a woman’s right to choose abortion?
If anyone at any newspaper, news outlet, or cable news station had any guts at all, they’d force Obama to answer this. And if he says anything other than “no, absolutely not,” he would confirm that he either does not believe in Christ, or believes in a Christ who takes no issue with the butchering of babies. Either way, he would not be a Christian. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Not by any definition of the term. Not by any possible reading of the Bible. And this is a judgment we can make. We should make. We have to make. Anyone who believes in a Jesus who condones abortion does not believe in the real Jesus, and therefore is not Christian. Period. Definitive statement. I will confidently meet my final judgement knowing that I will be held accountable for making this judgment.
When that time comes, when I am standing naked before my Creator, I know I will have many faults for which to answer, and I will fall to my knees weeping and begging God to take mercy on my selfish, weak, sinful soul. But I know that this will not be among the misdeeds I will be made to account for. Drawing a line that clearly separates and distinguishes Christianity from pro-abortion zealotry — that is something that no Christian will ever be punished for.
I fear, however, that many millions might be punished for not doing so. I take no pleasure in imagining Christ standing before those polite and pious folks who ignored, excused, and overlooked the mass murder of His children, and saying, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”
Is Obama a Christian? By his words, actions, professed beliefs, policies, and general enthusiasm for baby killing, I think we have very many reasons to assume he isn’t. All the more so when you consider that, according to his closest adviser, Obama used his alleged faith to manipulate Christian voters, only to later turn around and use their support to advance the cause of homosexual marriage. Do you see what happened there? Taking Obama at his word led many Christians to vote a man into office who, it turns out, disagrees rather passionately with many of the Bible’s commandments.
It’s funny, left-leaning Christians will often proclaim that jihadist Muslims aren’t real Muslims, but if anyone suggests that infanticidal pro-abortion fanatics aren’t real Christians, suddenly it’s quite inappropriate to accuse anyone of not being sincere in their faith professions. Nonsense. If you can do it with Islam, I can do it with Christianity. Obama himself has made these delineations with the Muslim faith. I guess that brings us back to the “judging” thing in the Bible. Jesus, despite popular belief, never says “don’t judge.” He says, “in the same way you judge others, so you too shall be judged” (Matthew 7:2).
Well, Obama judges the authenticity of other people’s religious sentiments frequently. I think he deserves to be measured by that same measure. (And before you accuse me of equating abortion with terrorism, please understand that, yes, I am equating the two).
Sure, I suppose there is at some level a chance that Obama believes sincerely in Christ and His precepts, yet he does all of these things and says all of these things and advances all of these satanic causes in spite of that faith. I have to hope for his sake that this very unlikely scenario isn’t the reality. It would be a dark and depraved sin, a moral crime beyond comprehension, for a Christian to know the truth and believe it, and still work tirelessly to, among other things, assist in the massacre of infants.
You see, when I say that I don’t believe Obama is a Christian, I’m coming to a conclusion based on all of the available evidence, but I’m also, in the end, giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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The only thing more incredibly obvious is that you're a mentally ill self loathing closet case
how many times today have you shared your secret fantasies about Obama's secret gay life (that you can't seem to stop thinking and talking about and then thinking about some more)
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Obama walks in glass slippers like a 2 bit whore - whats your point?
probably shouldn't be judging others :D
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The only thing more incredibly obvious is that you're a mentally ill self loathing closet case
how many times today have you shared your secret fantasies about Obama's secret gay life (that you can't seem to stop thinking and talking about and then thinking about some more)
Care to refute the article Straw?
Why are you libs so sensitive over this?
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Care to refute the article Straw?
Why are you libs so sensitive over this?
He couldn't refute be which was a reflection of that article.
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what's a christine ???
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608008872408909406&w=142&h=108&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2)
Oh no you didn't correct someone's grammar. lol
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The fact that we are still debating this topic shows that it is still up in the air and still not answered definativaly. Obama acts like a haji, and mooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooosli m, yet claims he is a Christine. There is no record of his conversion or baptism or confirmation, etc - and all we have is his attendance at Rev. Wrights hate church as evidence. Same w "Fr. Flegar" another radical commie thug - who imam ayotalloah Obama el baracki befriended.
So the entire thing is very legit
I think we are discussing it because there are irrational people who inspite of the evidence will still claim Obama is Muslim, just like people will claim the earth is only 6000 yrs old, or psychics really can see into the future.
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Care to refute the article Straw?
Why are you libs so sensitive over this?
nothing to refute.
I agree with Walker that its a stupid topic.
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I think we are discussing it because there are irrational people who inspite of the evidence will still claim Obama is Muslim, just like people will claim the earth is only 6000 yrs old, or psychics really can see into the future.
what evidence?
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It’s funny, left-leaning Christians will often proclaim that jihadist Muslims aren’t real Muslims, but if anyone suggests that infanticidal pro-abortion fanatics aren’t real Christians, suddenly it’s quite inappropriate to accuse anyone of not being sincere in their faith professions. Nonsense. If you can do it with Islam, I can do it with Christianity. Obama himself has made these delineations with the Muslim faith. I guess that brings us back to the “judging” thing in the Bible. Jesus, despite popular belief, never says “don’t judge.” He says, “in the same way you judge others, so you too shall be judged” (Matthew 7:2).
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what evidence?
I naively went through the trouble of posting the evidence he is NOT a Muslim for you a year ago. It's obvious to me you didn't bother to read it so I am not going to go through the motions again.
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I naively went through the trouble of posting the evidence he is NOT a Muslim for you a year ago. It's obvious to me you didn't bother to read it so I am not going to go through the motions again.
i remember that post, and it was a good/detailed one.
people quickly forget posts when they disagree.
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I naively went through the trouble of posting the evidence he is NOT a Muslim for you a year ago. It's obvious to me you didn't bother to read it so I am not going to go through the motions again.
BUMP the thread
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As long as they keep their beliefs out of public policy, who gives a shit. Pray to a tree for all it fucking matters.
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As long as they keep their beliefs out of public policy, who gives a shit. Pray to a tree for all it fucking matters.
I wish he would say that but the problem is that many (most?) Republicans not only don't want that, they would likely prefer their religious beliefs to drive public policy (except of course for the part about selling all your possessions and giving the money to the poor, not judging others, turning the other cheek and no doubt many more that I can't remember at the moment)
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I wish he would say that but the problem is that many (most?) Republicans not only don't want that, they would likely prefer their religious beliefs to drive public policy (except of course for the part about selling all your possessions and giving the money to the poor, not judging others, turning the other cheek and no doubt many more that I can't remember at the moment)
Same could be said of Southern Democrats.
I don't think, as many seem to think, that religious people are stupid, but I think they do struggle with keeping their beliefs to themselves. I get we have a strong link with Christianity and I would probably argue that most of our Presidents in history have been god-fearing men, but when making public policy - democrat, republican, independent - they need to keep their personal religious beliefs out of it.
Huckabee is a good example. Exceptionally smart but has a hard time keeping religion to himself.
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Same could be said of Southern Democrats.
I don't think, as many seem to think, that religious people are stupid, but I think they do struggle with keeping their beliefs to themselves. I get we have a strong link with Christianity and I would probably argue that most of our Presidents in history have been god-fearing men, but when making public policy - democrat, republican, independent - they need to keep their personal religious beliefs out of it.
Huckabee is a good example. Exceptionally smart but has a hard time keeping religion to himself.
maybe a few ( I really can't even thing of any examples) but not as general rule for the majority of the party
Also, haven't you heard, Democrats can't actually be christian
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maybe a few ( I really can't even thing of any examples) but not as general rule for the majority of the party
Also, haven't you heard, Democrats can't actually be christian
HAHAHA poor Joe.... wearing the dunce cap again.
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maybe a few ( I really can't even thing of any examples) but not as general rule for the majority of the party
Also, haven't you heard, Democrats can't actually be christian
How is that any different than what Obama and the libs are saying?
From what we're told, these are not 'true Muslims' as they believe in killing people.
Coach argues that abortion is murder, so those that favor it are not 'true Christians'.
How is there any fucking difference?
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How is that any different than what Obama and the libs are saying?
From what we're told, these are not 'true Muslims' as they believe in killing people.
Coach argues that abortion is murder, so those that favor it are not 'true Christians'.
How is there any fucking difference?
Regarding Obama not being willing to say these people are Muslim Extremists or that there actions are driven by their religious beliefs, I've said many times that is total bullshit (and of course the same goes for fundies who murder doctors and bomb abortion clinics)
I'm not sure what that has to do with a political party that truly wants public policy (in as many parts of life as possible) to be driven by their own religious beliefs.
I agree with you that it should left totally out of public policy
We have a secular society and government that allows one to express and practice their own religious beliefs but not to let those beliefs to supercede the secular society whose freedom allows them (and others) to exist in the first place
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Same could be said of Southern Democrats.
I don't think, as many seem to think, that religious people are stupid, but I think they do struggle with keeping their beliefs to themselves. I get we have a strong link with Christianity and I would probably argue that most of our Presidents in history have been god-fearing men, but when making public policy - democrat, republican, independent - they need to keep their personal religious beliefs out of it.
Huckabee is a good example. Exceptionally smart but has a hard time keeping religion to himself.
I agree a lot of Christians talk about their faith, but I don't see anything wrong with that. It's really odd how people (not you) get offended when they hear something they don't believe in. It never bothers me to hear about things that I don't believe in or agree with.
Also, even though I hardly ever talk about religion and faith in real life unless someone asks, I don't think people of faith have to walk around with a muzzle. It really shouldn't be any different than someone talking about sports, politics, family, etc. I really don't see what the big deal is, unless someone is harassing you. That shouldn't happen regardless of the subject matter.
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I agree a lot of Christians talk about their faith, but I don't see anything wrong with that. It's really odd how people (not you) get offended when they hear something they don't believe in. It never bothers me to hear about things that I don't believe in or agree with.
Also, even though I hardly ever talk about religion and faith in real life unless someone asks, I don't think people of faith have to walk around with a muzzle. It really shouldn't be any different than someone talking about sports, politics, family, etc. I really don't see what the big deal is, unless someone is harassing you. That shouldn't happen regardless of the subject matter.
really
that's why you never post when you see something an atheist says that you don't agree with?
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I agree a lot of Christians talk about their faith, but I don't see anything wrong with that. It's really odd how people (not you) get offended when they hear something they don't believe in. It never bothers me to hear about things that I don't believe in or agree with.
Also, even though I hardly ever talk about religion and faith in real life unless someone asks, I don't think people of faith have to walk around with a muzzle. It really shouldn't be any different than someone talking about sports, politics, family, etc. I really don't see what the big deal is, unless someone is harassing you. That shouldn't happen regardless of the subject matter.
Talk is not the concern though, the application of public policy is.
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Talk is not the concern though, the application of public policy is.
Nothing wrong with someone's faith influencing their public policy views either. It's just one voice. If someone disagrees, they should offer a different viewpoint. And vote.
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Nothing wrong with someone's faith influencing their public policy views either. It's just one voice. If someone disagrees, they should offer a different viewpoint. And vote.
I would say it's completely wrong and an anathema to civility. Common laws and rules to maintain our society do not require the imposition of religious dogma onto one another.
Religion should always stay out of politics.
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I would say it's completely wrong and an anathema to civility. Common laws and rules to maintain our society do not require the imposition of religious dogma onto one another.
Religion should always stay out of politics.
Religion has never been completely out of politics. It is ingrained in our history. People don't have to check their views at the door. That's what democracy is all about. A lot of what we see today is an attempt to silence religious viewpoints. That is wrong. As many people have said, the response to speech you disagree with is more speech, not less.
We have also been pretty good about removing purely religious-based laws from the books.
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I would say it's completely wrong and an anathema to civility. Common laws and rules to maintain our society do not require the imposition of religious dogma onto one another.
Religion should always stay out of politics.
Bingo! The rules and restrictions to all should not be determined by the narrow viewpoints of some.
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Bingo! The rules and restrictions to all should not be determined by the narrow viewpoints of some.
Tell that to obama and pelosi
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why does this matter?
Apparently this stupid shit still matters in America. In no other first world country does it matter whether the leader has an allegiance to some sky fairy. In America it seems to be the opposite.
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Why are Americans confused about Obama's religion?
BY BYRON YORK | FEBRUARY 22, 2015
Fresh from a controversy over his views on evolution, Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker is now involved in a controversy over his views, or lack of them, on President Obama's religion. On Saturday, two Washington Post reporters asked Walker, in the nation's capital for a governor's meeting, whether Obama is a Christian. Walker said he didn't know.
Informed by the reporters that Obama is in fact a Christian, Walker replied, "I've actually never talked about it or I haven't read about that," protesting that the president's religion is not a topic of great interest to voters. "I would defy you to come to Wisconsin. You could ask 100 people, and not one of them would say that this is a significant issue," Walker told the Post.
Nevertheless, the story created at least a minor explosion in the political press, and Democrats quickly used it to attack a Republican who has recently risen to the top tier of the GOP 2016 presidential field.
But when it comes to confusion, or wrong information, about Obama's religion, Scott Walker is far from alone. Polls have long shown many Americans know little about the president's faith.
In June, 2012, Gallup asked, "Do you happen to know the religious faith of Barack Obama?" Forty-four percent said they did not know, while 36 percent said he is a Christian, 11 percent said he is a Muslim, and eight percent said he has no religion. The "don't know" group included 36 percent of Democrats. (A larger number of Republicans, 47 percent, said they didn't know Obama's religion, as did 46 percent of independents.)
In August, 2010, a Pew poll made news when it found that 18 percent of those surveyed believed Obama is a Muslim. But just as notably, 43 percent of respondents in that survey told Pew they didn't know Obama's religion. Among those who said they didn't know were 41 percent of Democrats.
One notable suggestion in the Pew survey was that in Obama's first couple of years in office, as Americans became more familiar with him as president, they became less sure of his religious faith. In March 2009, shortly after Obama entered the White House, 34 percent said they did not know his religion, while 48 percent identified him as a Christian. By August 2010, the number of Americans who said they did not know Obama's religion had grown to 43 percent, while the number who identified him as Christian fell to 34 percent. The trend was true not just of the president's political opponents but of his supporters as well. "Even among Democrats, fewer than half (46 percent) now identify his religion as Christian, down from 55 percent last year," Pew wrote in 2010.
In June 2012, Pew asked the question again and found that 36 percent — still more than one-third of Americans — did not know Obama's faith, while 45 percent identified him as a Christian. (The poll, taken during the 2012 presidential campaign, found that more people — 51 percent — correctly identified Mitt Romney as a Mormon than the 45 percent who said Obama is a Christian.)
The polls are anywhere from two to four years old. There hasn't been much research on the topic recently, so it's possible views have changed in one direction or the other.
Whenever the issue pops up, Obama's most ardent supporters are quick to blame conservative media for misperceptions about Obama's religion. But it's possible something in Obama's public presentation of himself has also created confusion among a significant number of Americans about his religion. The fact is, Obama's religious roots and development have always been a complicated story. In 2010, after the Pew poll came out, I wrote about the causes of public confusion about Obama and faith, particularly the belief that he is a Muslim:
In 1985, Barack Obama had just arrived in Chicago for his new job as a community organizer when he headed to Smitty's Barbershop, a tiny storefront on the South Side. As Smitty cut his hair, Obama listened to the men in the shop talk politics and racial grievance. When the barber finished, he handed Obama a mirror and said, "Haircuts ten dollars. What's your name, anyway?"
"Barack."
"Barack, huh," Smitty responded. "You a Muslim?"
"Grandfather was," Obama said, according to his memoir Dreams From My Father.
Smitty's question, which Obama didn't exactly answer, prefigured a controversy that continues to this day.
A new poll by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life shows that 18 percent of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim. That is up from the 12 percent who believed that in October 2008, just before Obama was elected president.
At the same time, the number of Pew respondents who say Obama is a Christian — in Dreams From My Father, he describes his conversion to Christianity under the tutelage of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — has declined from 51 percent in October 2008 to 34 percent now. And the number of people who say they don't know Obama's religion is growing, from 32 percent back then to 43 percent today.
The White House blames the situation on a "misinformation campaign" from Obama's opponents. But Obama and his aides might also blame themselves for the way they've handled the Muslim issue over the years.
The question did not come out of nowhere. As Obama said, his grandfather was a Muslim. His father was raised a Muslim before becoming, by Obama's account, "a confirmed atheist." Obama's stepfather was a Muslim. His half-sister Maya told the New York Times that her "whole family was Muslim."
Obama spent two years in a Muslim school in Indonesia and later, in a conversation with the Times' Nicholas Kristof, described the Arabic call to prayer, the beginning of which he recited by heart, as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." Given all that, it is entirely accurate and fair to describe Obama as having Muslim roots.
Yet during the [2008] campaign his aides shouted down even a measured discussion of the topic, and Obama's critics could face ostracism simply for uttering the candidate's middle name. In December 2007, with the Iowa caucuses approaching, former Democratic Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Hillary Clinton supporter, said of Obama, "I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim. There's a billion people on the planet that are Muslims, and I think that experience is a big deal." Kerrey's remarks caused an uproar — one TV commentator wondered whether they were "poisoning the well" — and Kerrey later apologized.
Eighteen months later, when President Obama traveled to Cairo for a long-awaited speech to the Muslim world, the White House was saying, and the press was reporting, the same thing Kerrey had to apologize for. "President Obama is now embracing his Muslim roots," ABC News "Nightline" announced. "President Obama's speech was laced with references to the Quran and his Muslim roots," said USA Today. "Obama touched on his own Muslim roots," reported the Associated Press.
Many people do not pay close attention to news reports. It's entirely possible some of them blurred the distinction between "Muslim roots" and "Muslim," especially since Obama in Cairo celebrated what his campaign had once downplayed.
In the more than four years since that column was published, it's likely at least some confusion about Obama's religion has persisted. For one thing, few people see Obama openly practicing any religious faith. After the president did not attend church on Christmas 2013, the New York Times, citing unofficial White House historian Mark Knoller, noted that Obama had attended church 18 times in nearly five years in the White House, while George W. Bush attended 120 times in eight years. Yes, there are a variety of reasons some presidents don't go to church very often, but in Obama's case, absence does nothing to change existing public perceptions of him.
And there are other factors. For example, it would not be a stretch to guess that those Americans who told Gallup and Pew that they did not know the president's faith would remain unsure after hearing reports that at the recent National Prayer Breakfast, Obama explained Islamic State violence by urging listeners to "remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ." Again, many people don't pay close attention to the news, and snippets of reports on Obama's faith, like his remarks at the Prayer Breakfast, could yield a confused picture.
Some would argue that, while yes, many in the public don't know the president's religion, certainly Scott Walker, the governor of a state, should know. But Walker's answer to the reporters' question just reflects a broader public puzzlement over Barack Obama's faith — a phenomenon that he helped perpetuate and, at this late date in his presidency, seems unlikely to go away.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-the-confusion-on-obamas-religion/article/2560534