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Obama bowing to Law Enforcement and trying to ban Armour Piercing bullets is a true sign he wants people to be slaves. it would make the general public defensless when Marshal law takes over. Your little bullets will just bounce off the cops patrolling your street and controlling your lives. What recourse will people have if they can't fight back? What ever happened to the government representing the people and the police serving and protecting the people? It seems none of that is true anymore.
President Obama’s visceral hatred for Second Amendment is well known, and so it isn’t surprising that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) under his control is attempting to ban the most common practice ammunition for the best-selling rifle in the nation, the AR-15.
Currently, the ATF is attempting to ban common M855 ball ammunition by reclassifying it as “armor-piercing” ammunition, even though the bullet, with its 80-percent (by weight) lead core and small mild steel insert doesn’t come close to meeting the legal definition.
Congress has quickly recognized the attempt to ban M855 for the attack on the Second Amendment that it clearly is, as the ATF’s “framework” argument now aimed at M855 ammunition for 5.56 NATO rifles could then be quickly used to ban almost all rifle ammunition in every caliber if unopposed.
Fortunately for law-abiding Americans, it appears that the audacious attempt on the heart of the Second Amendment by Obama’s ATF may end up backfiring.
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Obama bowing to Law Enforcement and trying to ban Armour Piercing bullets is a true sign he wants people to be slaves. it would make the general public defensless when Marshal law takes over. Your little bullets will just bounce off the cops patrolling your street and controlling your lives. What recourse will people have if they can't fight back? What ever happened to the government representing the people and the police serving and protecting the people? It seems none of that is true anymore.
President Obama’s visceral hatred for Second Amendment is well known, and so it isn’t surprising that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) under his control is attempting to ban the most common practice ammunition for the best-selling rifle in the nation, the AR-15.
Currently, the ATF is attempting to ban common M855 ball ammunition by reclassifying it as “armor-piercing” ammunition, even though the bullet, with its 80-percent (by weight) lead core and small mild steel insert doesn’t come close to meeting the legal definition.
Congress has quickly recognized the attempt to ban M855 for the attack on the Second Amendment that it clearly is, as the ATF’s “framework” argument now aimed at M855 ammunition for 5.56 NATO rifles could then be quickly used to ban almost all rifle ammunition in every caliber if unopposed.
Fortunately for law-abiding Americans, it appears that the audacious attempt on the heart of the Second Amendment by Obama’s ATF may end up backfiring.
Was that an intended pun? :D :D
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Great post
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In before a getbigger uses the word "sheeple" or any of its derivatives.
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This move will have zero impact on gun crime. It's a political move not a practical or effective strategy to decrease gun violence. I'm all about what works and this won't do shit
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Theres very little difference between green tip ammo and 55 grain. They both will penetrate body armor. What they're doing is just to chip away at all the ammo. This creates a slippery slope to ban all ammo. If they can ban this for no good reason you know they are going to try to ban all 556 and 223 ammo.
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Don't tread on me.
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What the fuck do you need armor piercing bullets for???
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What the fuck do you need armor piercing bullets for???
When the cops take over and you become the slave of the state.
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What the fuck do you need armor piercing bullets for???
For piercing armor...obviously.
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This is an interesting point of view.
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This move will have zero impact on gun crime. It's a political move not a practical or effective strategy to decrease gun violence. I'm all about what works and this won't do shit
Its not intended to decrease crime lol. Its to protect the police and to increase their power.
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Go on.
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It's the police that have pushed the gov to do this. They will be unstoppable.
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Its not intended to decrease crime lol. Its to protect the police and to increase their power.
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Lowering gun violence and that includes violence against police officers is the one of the rationale for the banning. As I stared before, it's a bunk argument.
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For piercing armor...obviously.
Absolutely. It's helpful in defeating body armor.
Any other dumbass questions, Vince?
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Absolutely. It's helpful in defeating body armor.
Any other dumbass questions, Vince?
He's also neglecting the fact that criminals will also wear body armor as well as police.
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He's also neglecting the fact that criminals will also wear body armor as well as police.
It doesn't matter to me. An enemy is an enemy regardless of whether or not they carry a badge. The state should not have a monopoly on deadly force as they are hardly paragons of virtue.
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What the fuck do you need armor piercing bullets for???
It does matter you dummy it opens the door to fucking with our rights even more. Next thing will be "well why do you need a 30 round magazine?" Because it's our right to have that best shit we can. Why not have the best tools? None of there buisness.
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I hate guns. How many people die from guns in Japan? Exactly! I hope all guns get banned.
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I hate guns. How many people die from guns in Japan? Exactly! I hope all guns get banned.
What's the rate in Finland? Sweden? Etc? It's not the guns, it's that certain folks don't now how to behave with them :).
Anyway, if anything, the ATF just created another "Black Talon" type scare. 99% of the people buying M855 weren't buying it for the AP qualities, they were buying it because it was decent and cheap. Now you've got tons of guys that weren't giving any thought to it rushing out to buy some, and you're getting a ton more people being proactive about their 2nd Amendment rights.
This could stack up to be a double loss for the ATF/Big Gov.
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.223 is the bullet for the popular AR15 platforms. It's the bullet used by the US in the infantries rifle. Someone started making a handgun that shoots the .223 and it penetrates low level body armor like the ones that the police use. It's illegal to own a hand gun that can penetrate body armor but that issue can be talked about for paragraphs.
Obama tried to ban civilians from owning the AR15 platform rifles but couldn't do it. This is how he will make them useless. Instead of banning the handgun that fires the .223 he is banning the ammo. Now millions of rifles owned by civilians will be useless. I believe in civilians owning firearms that are not for sport.
It creates a dangerous trend. Will all rifle bullets be banned next? Anyone who is into target shooting in the US knows it's becoming incredibly hard to find ammo. The EPA closed one of the largest lead manufactures here. Then when you look up if this is a major contributing factor one of the first google searches says there is plenty of lead from recycling. Bull shit. The second thing that happened is Homeland security made very lucrative contracts for the ammo manufactures to produce for the military and Homeland security. Why sell retail when the government is throwing money at you. Lastly since Obama became president there has been a real increase in firearm sales. Manufactures are cashing in and raising prices. Since ammo is hard to find people have been hoarding what ever they can find.
Obama's destruction of this country continues.
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I hate guns. How many people die from guns in Japan? Exactly! I hope all guns get banned.
Are you holding up Japan as the pinnacle of Civilization? I wouldn't. They've been held economic hostage to central banking for 25 years, they maintain a rigid obedience to authority, they committed massive war crimes, they've just about given up reproducing, and theyre failure to acknowledge the scope and impact of Fukashima to their environment (because of perceived cultural weakness and national shame) means they're rip for extinction as a people.
Oh, and they still have a "divine born Emperor". ::) Fuck Japan.
Samurai are cool though...
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I love these threads....uprising against the govt...Yeh sure...who the fuck is going to coordinate this, and in a democracy who are you so in fear of your govt anyway? You elected them?
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The second amendment wasn't thought of for a hunter or self defense. It was for defense from the government to secure a free state.
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The second amendment wasn't thought of for a hunter or self defense. It was for defense from the government to secure a free state.
The government ensuring the militaty and police have better weapons that you is violating the second
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In a free country the People Are The Militia. Consider Switzerland. There, every man jack, of sound mind and body, between the ages of 21 and 60, is a member of the militia. As such they are required to keep, in their home, a fully automatic rifle, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. No one invades Switzerland, and the government doesn't try to take away the rights and privileges of Swiss citizens.
When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, they had no intention of attacking the US mainland, rather they intended to make their moves in Asia on the territories they had acquired and secure an oil supply from Southeast Asia, then sue for peace in international negotiations. They planned to do that, because as their captured government documents showed, that they didn't believe anyone could conquer the USA mainland, because the population there was armed, and too dangerous for any occupying forces.
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Are you holding up Japan as the pinnacle of Civilization? I wouldn't. They've been held economic hostage to central banking for 25 years, they maintain a rigid obedience to authority, they committed massive war crimes, they've just about given up reproducing, and theyre failure to acknowledge the scope and impact of Fukashima to their environment (because of perceived cultural weakness and national shame) means they're rip for extinction as a people.
Oh, and they still have a "divine born Emperor". ::) Fuck Japan.
Samurai are cool though...
How is that any worse than believing in a carpenter in the clouds wearing a white nightgown?
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How is that any worse than believing in a carpenter in the clouds wearing a white nightgown?
It's not worse. It's the same 'sun-king' mechanism that's infected every tribe of domesticated primates.
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It's not worse. It's the same 'sun-king' mechanism that's infected every tribe of domesticated primates.
Yes! Yes!!!!!
Do you remember the thread I had a few months back titled: "Jesus is the sun of god" ?
There was a very informative link I put in that thread.
I really do believe that is how Christianity came to be. It borrowed heavily from past religions before it.
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Great thread.
I just had to have some more of her though.
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I love these threads....uprising against the govt...Yeh sure...who the fuck is going to coordinate this, and in a democracy who are you so in fear of your govt anyway? You elected them?
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i think they have fantasies of screaming "Wolverines!!" as their band of rebels fights the evil govt. as they send in the police to take us over and oppress us.
just one question....why? the gov't and the "Rothschild's" already run shit...they need the run it even more?
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i think they have fantasies of screaming "Wolverines!!" as their band of rebels fights the evil govt. as they send in the police to take us over and oppress us.
just one question....why? the gov't and the "Rothschild's" already run shit...they need the run it even more?
If there's nothing to worry about with the government attacking the citizenry, then why does the government want to disarm them?
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If there's nothing to worry about with the government attacking the citizenry, then why does the government want to disarm them?
It's not disarming, it's limitations on range of arms...which there kinda had to be, or you'd eventually have paranoid fools claiming a need for personal nukes...
Personally if I lived in a society where I felt the need to be able to arm myself with armour piercing bullets, I'd be changing countries as fast as possible...Fk that
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It's not disarming, it's limitations on range of arms...which there kinda had to be, or you'd eventually have paranoid fools claiming a need for personal nukes...
Personally if I lived in a society where I felt the need to be able to arm myself with armour piercing bullets, I'd be changing countries as fast as possible...Fk that
Limiting arms IS disarming. Please change countries! As soon as possible!
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Limiting arms IS disarming. Please change countries! As soon as possible!
If he's European he's already given up his country to Islam. He has no country to fight for.
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It's not the Armor Piercing aspect that has people up in arms really, it's 2 things -
1) Cheap people are pissed because a cheap, reliable source of sporting ammo is going away (which was indeed allowed in for sporting purposes 30 years ago by the ATF). So their hobby costs will rise 2.5 - 3 x on the low end, and 4-5 x on the high end.
2) They are trying to make an end run around the existing law without any public discussion. The GCA law of 68 is very specific about what can constitute a banned ammunition. What the ATF is seeking to do is redefine all of that by executive order, etc.... with no impute from anyone, and that is troubling.
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It's not the Armor Piercing aspect that has people up in arms really, it's 2 things -
2) They are trying to make an end run around the existing law without any public discussion. The GCA law of 68 is very specific about what can constitute a banned ammunition. What the ATF is seeking to do is redefine all of that by executive order, etc.... with no impute from anyone, and that is troubling.
This is the part that is most troubling as well.
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Obama bowing to Law Enforcement and trying to ban Armour Piercing bullets is a true sign he wants people to be slaves. it would make the general public defensless when Marshal law takes over. Your little bullets will just bounce off the cops patrolling your street and controlling your lives. What recourse will people have if they can't fight back? What ever happened to the government representing the people and the police serving and protecting the people? It seems none of that is true anymore.
President Obama’s visceral hatred for Second Amendment is well known, and so it isn’t surprising that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) under his control is attempting to ban the most common practice ammunition for the best-selling rifle in the nation, the AR-15.
Currently, the ATF is attempting to ban common M855 ball ammunition by reclassifying it as “armor-piercing” ammunition, even though the bullet, with its 80-percent (by weight) lead core and small mild steel insert doesn’t come close to meeting the legal definition.
Congress has quickly recognized the attempt to ban M855 for the attack on the Second Amendment that it clearly is, as the ATF’s “framework” argument now aimed at M855 ammunition for 5.56 NATO rifles could then be quickly used to ban almost all rifle ammunition in every caliber if unopposed.
Fortunately for law-abiding Americans, it appears that the audacious attempt on the heart of the Second Amendment by Obama’s ATF may end up backfiring.
Got your bullets,your medical info/higher premiums, and soon your internet. Wooow :o
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Its not intended to decrease crime lol. Its to protect the police and to increase their power.
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Fking police...what right to they have to safety...especially since they're part of the huge conspiracy to remove all power and rights from the civilians.
With all this going on, why aren't American civilians rising up already against your oppressive government. Take the power back ;)
Would make great watching from my country, a bunch of poorly organized conspiracy theorists struggling to overthrow a police station much less a whole government :)
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Its not intended to decrease crime lol. Its to protect the police and to increase their power.
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that's horse shit...xm855 doesn't penetrate anymore than non "supposed" xm193(which moves faster and hasnt been mentioned)...xm855 is just a cheap plentiful round that is the tip of the ice berg of dumbshit to come...and I am law enforcement..non of us agree with this
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Al this paranoia was begat when the Federal Government started enforcing Civil Rights laws.
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Al this paranoia was begat when the Federal Government started enforcing Civil Rights laws.
Huh? You need to provide some evidence to back up this claim.
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This could just be propaganda for us to buy more bullets. Anyone know where I can get some cheap 308 rounds for my AR-10
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It's the police that have pushed the gov to do this. They will be unstoppable.
They are one in the same.
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This could just be propaganda for us to buy more bullets. Anyone know where I can get some cheap 308 rounds for my AR-10
buying ammo for a 308? sacrilege!
load your own!
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2) They are trying to make an end run around the existing law without any public discussion. The GCA law of 68 is very specific about what can constitute a banned ammunition. What the ATF is seeking to do is redefine all of that by executive order, etc.... with no impute from anyone, and that is troubling.
Bumping BB's post. It's very important not to miss this point.
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In a free country the People Are The Militia. Consider Switzerland. There, every man jack, of sound mind and body, between the ages of 21 and 60, is a member of the militia. As such they are required to keep, in their home, a fully automatic rifle, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. No one invades Switzerland, and the government doesn't try to take away the rights and privileges of Swiss citizens.
If that is true, it's how all good countries / governments
Should allow its citizens to be armed.
Think I'd like to move to Switzerland.
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buying ammo for a 308? sacrilege!
load your own!
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Dunno, the Federal Gold Match with the 168 gr BTHP is a fine commercial load.
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She will distract the police.
What was this thread about? :)
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Dunno, the Federal Gold Match with the 168 gr BTHP is a fine commercial load.
168 grain? Men use175 and 177 grain amax!
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When the cops take over and you become the slave of the state.
I'm a cop and I have zero desire to take over. I just talked to some of my buddies and they too had little to no interest in taking over althought Bill said he might consider it if there's free booze involved.
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168 grain? Men use175 and 177 grain amax!
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Use them for what?
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Use them for what?
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To put 0.30" holes in targets.
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I'm a cop and I have zero desire to take over. I just talked to some of my buddies and they too had little to no interest in taking over althought Bill said he might consider it if there's free booze involved.
That's exactly what a lying no-good fascist pig would say ;D
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That's exactly what a lying no-good fascist pig would say ;D
way to quick for me fella... I'll have to go to plan b
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To put 0.30" holes in targets.
That's an expensive hole punch. :-\
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I hate guns. How many people die from guns in Japan? Exactly! I hope all guns get banned.
we'll see what tune you cry when they ban knives and swords and you're cutting your fish with the edge of a fork.
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is this to include 5.7 ammo as well?
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is this to include 5.7 ammo as well?
No, why? ???
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No, why? ???
it's a nice round ;)
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it's a nice round ;)
for penetration? yes...for getting the job done? no..thats why the mag holds 20..you might need all of them lol
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for penetration? yes...for getting the job done? no..thats why the mag holds 20..you might need all of them lol
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I'm aware. 'stopping/knock-down' power is nil, but incredibly easy to put 2 double taps in a 3" space at 20yards.
9/40/45/380 in a self defense situation, you gotta aim center-mass, with a 5.7 you can go for a headshot. ;)
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I got a good deal on XM193 recently. I haven't bought any M855 in a while.
This is just another attempt to weaken the 2nd amendment in a roundabout way. They can't change the laws so they try to find a slick way to undermine it. Pretty much the definition of "Infringe".
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It appears that M855 and SS109 might already be illegal. WTF is this shit?
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761
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For law enforcement safety. lol.
If you happen to be one that believes that Obama is preparing the citizens of the USA for "something", all the pieces are falling into place.........one at a time. I'm surprised by how little opposition there is to him.
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I'm aware. 'stopping/knock-down' power is nil, but incredibly easy to put 2 double taps in a 3" space at 20yards.
9/40/45/380 in a self defense situation, you gotta aim center-mass, with a 5.7 you can go for a headshot. ;)
your gonna aim where your training dictates and where the opportunity is..and there is no such thing as "knockdown" power with a handgun unless you are talking magnum calibers or a full load 10mm(not the piece of shit 40 s&w)
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If any citizen has the right to protect himself by a gun then the police and security services are useless and don't do their work properly. Therefore, you can live without the police.