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Title: Global Warming
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 02, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
Welcome to downtown Huntington Beach....

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: _aj_ on March 02, 2015, 01:55:01 PM
Paging Necrosis...paging Necrosis...
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Croatch on March 02, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
It's not that simple to point out a trend in weather for a year or so.  In the 70s, they thought the ice age was coming...today, global warming.
Gore plugged this and made a shit ton of cash.  It's just another way for the government to pass more laws to increase taxing.  The environmental war cry is by far the most ridiculous out there.  Humans thinking their the center of the universe...once again. :D
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 02, 2015, 02:42:11 PM
Paging Necrosis...paging Necrosis...

Sorry just got in
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 02, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
It's not that simple to point out a trend in weather for a year or so.  In the 70s, they thought the ice age was coming...today, global warming.
Gore plugged this and made a shit ton of cash.  It's just another way for the government to pass more laws to increase taxing.  The environmental war cry is by far the most ridiculous out there.  Humans thinking their the center of the universe...once again. :D

True.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: viking1 on March 02, 2015, 02:55:13 PM
Coach, the hail was super heavy. Amazing how much fell.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Thong Maniac on March 02, 2015, 02:59:27 PM
Welcome to downtown Huntington Beach....



Lol here we go again, confusing weather with climate..,lol this is what poor education does to people
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 02, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
Coach, the hail was super heavy. Amazing how much fell.

 ;D
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Thick Nick on March 02, 2015, 06:21:44 PM
I think the actual figure is something like +1 degree give or take in over a hundred years for the global average.

If you ask me, that's pretty friggin stable.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 02, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
Who cares we will all be dead.  No one else is going to do anything about it so why bother. Nothing any of us can do will change the inevitable.  Caring about global warming is kind of like a left-wing version of pascal's wager. 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: AbrahamG on March 02, 2015, 06:29:43 PM
Oh my God, it snowed in California?  Global Warming is a hoax after all.  Fucking retards.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 02, 2015, 06:45:14 PM
Who cares we will all be dead.  No one else is going to do anything about it so why bother. Nothing any of us can do will change the inevitable.  Caring about global warming is kind of like a left-wing version of pascal's wager. 

so nasa has been taken over by the left?

http://climate.nasa.gov/

haha yes good to know you agree with Coach hahaha
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: blacken700 on March 02, 2015, 07:40:56 PM
FOX NEWS SMART
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Thong Maniac on March 02, 2015, 07:45:16 PM
so nasa has been taken over by the left?

http://climate.nasa.gov/

haha yes good to know you agree with Coach hahaha

Exactly, NASA must be lying. Lol at anti-science christians
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: blacken700 on March 02, 2015, 07:49:54 PM
 :D :D

(http://whatwouldjackdo.net/images/inhofe-hamsandich.jpg)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: calfzilla on March 02, 2015, 07:52:09 PM
Mods please delete or move to polotics or science board and ban OP for 30 days. Thanks.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: CARTEL on March 02, 2015, 08:14:16 PM
so nasa has been taken over by the left?

http://climate.nasa.gov/

haha yes good to know you agree with Coach hahaha

Well since they don't explore space pretty much at all, they have to study something.

And if they said Climate Change was a hoax, what would we need to fund NASA for?

So it just might be job security to study Climate Change rather than debunk it.

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The Scott on March 02, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
To those that believed in first, "Global Warming" and now in "Climate Change", I would say as I do to any others with a faith in something.

Live it.

Give  up  your modern conveniences and live off the land.  No electricity.  No HVAC.  No vehicles save those powered by your sweat and made by your own hand out of naturally occurring materials. 

And as so often is the case with others of faith, I would ask that you not dare share your "faith" with me (or anyone else for that matter) in any way.  Just live it completely and quietly. 

Kinda like the Amish, only even more primitive.  I wont tell you how to live your life and you can go about your business and not force  your faith upon me and mine.  Or anyone else for that matter.

Like that's gonna happen.

People only demand equality with those they envy.  The reality of it is this.  They just want to drag everyone down to their level of misery and then climb over them.

In this case, it's to turn on the AC they've earned with their carbon credits.  What a bunch of 'tards.  Dangerous 'tards.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Croatch on March 02, 2015, 08:50:12 PM
I'm religious, believe in global warming, am currently hiding a tooth under my pillow, and stocking up on cookies for Santa.  It will be a good year.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 02, 2015, 10:28:07 PM
Well since they don't explore space pretty much at all, they have to study something.

And if they said Climate Change was a hoax, what would we need to fund NASA for?

So it just might be job security to study Climate Change rather than debunk it.



yes when the planet earth is destroyed jobs at NASA dissappear

did you know the earth was in outer space?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: CARTEL on March 02, 2015, 10:54:36 PM
yes when the planet earth is destroyed jobs at NASA dissappear

did you know the earth was in outer space?

Funny how all these Chicken Littles don't practice what they preach.

Like The Scott said, if they don't follow their own advice, its hard for me to believe they are really scared.

LOL at Earth being in outer-space  ;D
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 02, 2015, 11:07:17 PM
Wiggs , can black J.C. explain this white snow  ???



 ;)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: booty on March 02, 2015, 11:17:53 PM
It's getting hotter every year in Australia. I loath our summers and springs.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on March 03, 2015, 12:21:13 AM
(http://climate.nasa.gov/system/news_items/main_images/916_400_large.jpg)

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 03, 2015, 12:42:07 AM
...
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: booty on March 03, 2015, 12:47:43 AM
I can't wait for winter here. I can wear my jeans and a t shirt.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 03, 2015, 12:51:09 AM
what are you wearing now?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: booty on March 03, 2015, 12:59:54 AM
what are you wearing now?
Not much... Just changed from gym into a sheer white nightie. I need to take my friend a pavlova and I am too comfy to change. I might go in my nightie
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 03, 2015, 01:03:59 AM
you will make pavlovs dogs salivate
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: kreator on March 03, 2015, 01:31:55 AM
she can wear me if she wants
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Julio Ceasar on March 03, 2015, 01:38:07 AM
It's not that simple to point out a trend in weather for a year or so.  In the 70s, they thought the ice age was coming...today, global warming.
Gore plugged this and made a shit ton of cash.  It's just another way for the government to pass more laws to increase taxing.  The environmental war cry is by far the most ridiculous out there.  Humans thinking their the center of the universe...once again. :D

Thank u!
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: booty on March 03, 2015, 02:27:50 AM
you will make pavlovs dogs salivate
It's his birthday.   Edit... Typo, should say " her" birthday.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 06:40:00 AM
so nasa has been taken over by the left?

http://climate.nasa.gov/

haha yes good to know you agree with Coach hahaha

What are you rambling on about?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 03, 2015, 06:43:09 AM
It's his birthday.   Edit... Typo, should say " her" birthday.

haha well you made half of getbig salivate at the thought of you in your nighty.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 08:02:50 AM
What are you rambling on about?

Just making conversation haha

still puzzled by your behavior mixing philisophical references with opinions by Coach  :D
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
Just making conversation haha

still puzzled by your behavior mixing philisophical references with opinions by Coach  :D
I never referenced coach. Coach denies it, I think it's real but pointless to be concerned about it. 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 03, 2015, 08:09:12 AM
Not much... Just changed from gym into a sheer white nightie. I need to take my friend a pavlova and I am too comfy to change. I might go in my nightie

Thoughts of your globes in a white nighty makes me warm
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 08:20:39 AM
I never referenced coach. Coach denies it, I think it's real but pointless to be concerned about it. 

Most people have concern for the welfare of their children, grandchildren etc. 

Is that so pointless?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 08:28:46 AM
Most people have concern for the welfare of their children, grandchildren etc. 

Is that so pointless?

Of course I do but I can't predict what is going to happen a year from now let alone 600 years.  What I can do is secure wealth and other resources for myself and my children.  Who knows what will happen to my family line when I'm gone but statistically the least of their concerns is global warming.  It's also pointless because nothing we do in the United States will offset the activities of China and the developing world.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Croatch on March 03, 2015, 08:43:48 AM
Most people have concern for the welfare of their children, grandchildren etc. 

Is that so pointless?
Yes.  That is pointless.
Humans will do themselves in far before the planet will ever have a chance to rid this waste.
We will exterminate ourselves within 500 years.  The US will probably be at the forefront claiming we're in danger of some made up threat, then other countries will join in.  We'll probably blame a bearded guy in a cave again.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 03, 2015, 09:01:08 AM
I never referenced coach. Coach denies it, I think it's real but pointless to be concerned about it. 

Couldn't disagree more.

Technology can solve this issue. We need changes in energy storage and utilization, some quantum leaps. There is no need to be raping the earth as we are, we can solve this issue, it has to come top down however.

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 03, 2015, 09:03:22 AM
Yes.  That is pointless.
Humans will do themselves in far before the planet will ever have a chance to rid this waste.
We will exterminate ourselves within 500 years.  The US will probably be at the forefront claiming we're in danger of some made up threat, then other countries will join in.  We'll probably blame a bearded guy in a cave again.

You must be right up on climate science, 500 years we will be starving and dying in a drought filled, empty ocean world.

The funny thing is humans do think they are the center of the universe, ie I will do what I can for mine etc.. fuck the planet we live on.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Couldn't disagree more.

Technology can solve this issue. We need changes in energy storage and utilization, some quantum leaps. There is no need to be raping the earth as we are, we can solve this issue, it has to come top down however.



I'm not saying we shouldn't work toward better sources of energy or that be should we as environmentally irresponsible as possible .  What I'm saying is that China and the developing world aren't going to change their behavior regardless of how we behave.  Whatever new technology that is developed will only come to fruition when the market demands it.  The developing world won't adopt that technology for a long time because fossil fuels and older methods of production will always be cheaper.  
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 09:13:46 AM
I'm not saying we shouldn't work toward better sources of energy or that be should we as environmentally irresponsible as possible .  What I'm saying is that China and the developing world aren't going to change their behavior regardless of how we behave.  Whatever new technology that is developed will only come to fruition when the market demands it.  The developing world won't adopt that technology for a long time because fossil fuels and older methods of production will always be cheaper.  

are you aware the US outsourced it's manufacturing industry to China?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
are you aware the US outsourced it's manufacturing industry to China?

So.  
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 09:28:33 AM
So.

consider why that happened and the predictable effects.

or is this the part where discuss existential philosophy? 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 09:29:09 AM
consider why that happened and the predictable effects.

or is this the part where discuss existential philosophy? 

The Chinese government sets its environmental policy. We can't change China's emissions standards.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 10:18:46 AM
The Chinese government sets its environmental policy. We can't change China's emissions standards.

Perhaps there's another solution that is related to US policy?

any ideas  ???
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
Perhaps there's another solution that is related to US policy?

any ideas  ???

Not unless you want the United States to intervene in the Chinese economy.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 10:25:29 AM
Not unless you want the United States to intervene in the Chinese economy.

Obama has secured climate concessions from China and India as part of those UN talks. A similar deal with Canada could help offset the anticipated environmental damage from the TransCanada Corp. pipeline, responding to project opponents.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/u-s-said-to-tell-canada-its-climate-goal-may-play-keystone-role

What do you think about this?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 10:35:50 AM
Obama has secured climate concessions from China and India as part of those UN talks. A similar deal with Canada could help offset the anticipated environmental damage from the TransCanada Corp. pipeline, responding to project opponents.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/u-s-said-to-tell-canada-its-climate-goal-may-play-keystone-role

What do you think about this?

First off, Obama did not secure any concessions from China.  China said they would cut emissions starting in 2030 but that there is really nothing keeping them from holding that promise fifteen years from now particularly when they have to answer to their own internal interests.

Even if the central government had an all-consuming drive to achieve this, economists say it must provide the proper economic incentives to local bureaucrats who are pivotal to executing policies on the ground.

“The feasibility of doing [this] depends on the local bureaucrats, so if the local bureaucrats resist then nothing can be done,” Xu Chenggang, professor who is a specialist in China’s economic development at the University of Hong Kong, tells TIME. “[It doesn’t] matter how strong the leader is, to get things done really depends on incentives.”

Xu explains that China’s three decades of robust economic expansion were only possible because local officials were able to profit from the country’s rapid transformation into an industrial powerhouse. However, questions remain over whether there will be as much money to go around during a transition to a greener economy.

“In turns out it’s very, very difficult to find a scheme which is going to give local bureaucrats sufficient incentives to take care of their environment,” says Xu.

And even then, activists say the world’s two largest emitters of CO2 have yet to commit to the types of policies needed to reverse the effects of climate change.

http://time.com/3580241/us-china-experts-climate-change-emissions-deal-apec/
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 10:37:38 AM
I should have said the Chinese aren't necessarily cutting their emissions but keeping them at the same level as 2005 after 2030. China is allowed to increase emissions significantly until 2030 and then hopefully they will bring the levels down to 2005 levels.  It's a shit deal that will benefit the Chinese.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Croatch on March 03, 2015, 10:45:24 AM
The government loves to create a problem, then offer the solution.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 11:54:48 AM
I should have said the Chinese aren't necessarily cutting their emissions but keeping them at the same level as 2005 after 2030. China is allowed to increase emissions significantly until 2030 and then hopefully they will bring the levels down to 2005 levels.  It's a shit deal that will benefit the Chinese.

In principle and in fact the US can dictate emissions policy (and pretty much anything else) if it wants to. 

Far from a pointless scenario!
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
In principle and in fact the US can dictate emissions policy (and pretty much anything else) if it wants to. 

Far from a pointless scenario!

Obviously that isn't true at all and American influence will continue to diminish as we lose economic power. 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 03, 2015, 12:27:51 PM
what are you wearing now?

girls don't wear panties in Oz  ;)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 03, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
I can't wait for winter here. I can wear my jeans and a t shirt.

jeans shorts  ;)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
Obviously that isn't true at all and American influence will continue to diminish as we lose economic power.  

Your comfort with predicting the future aligns with your ideological baggage.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 01:03:39 PM
Your comfort with predicting the future aligns with your ideological baggage.

Your comfort with being wrong aligns with your ideological bias.  China is allowed to greatly increase their emissions for the next fifteen.  After that fifteen years is up,  China may bring their emissions down to the already high 2005 levels.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Rami on March 03, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
I hope it's real. It better be worth it.

Don't matter if it's real or not, you gonna pay for it either way. A blanket of taxes and more control. To make everything more expensive and lower your living standards.

Might as well be real.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 01:45:45 PM
Your comfort with being wrong aligns with your ideological bias.  China is allowed to greatly increase their emissions for the next fifteen.  After that fifteen years is up,  China may bring their emissions down to the already high 2005 levels.

Wouldn't it make sense to develop the technical solutions to these problems?

I guess the good news is we can buy it from them after they figure it out...hmmm
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to develop the technical solutions to these problems?

I guess the good news is we can buy it from them after they figure it out...hmmm

I already explained my views on technological solutions above.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Rami on March 03, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
War Ming = Gnim Raw = G Ni M Raw = Deny 'em Raw.

So they are going to deny us raw,,, food, no pulling out, what?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 02:04:20 PM
I already explained my views on technological solutions above.

right the passive market concept.

China is a centralized economy so they don't have to make up these types of fairytales. They will mobilize their economy (If it hasn't already been put in motion) and own the technical solutions.

I guess the part where the market sorts it out is when they sell them to us later?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 02:09:26 PM
right the passive market concept.

China is a centralized economy so they don't have to make up these types of fairytales. They will mobilize their economy (If it hasn't already been put in motion) and own the technical solutions.

I guess the part where the market sorts it out is when they sell them to us later?

China has no incentive to change it's policy or to pursue technological changes when what they are doing right now is cheap and effective. There is zero incentive for China to pursue new technologies because they simply don't have to in order to be successful.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 03, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
To those that believed in first, "Global Warming" and now in "Climate Change", I would say as I do to any others with a faith in something.

Live it.

Give  up  your modern conveniences and live off the land.  No electricity.  No HVAC.  No vehicles save those powered by your sweat and made by your own hand out of naturally occurring materials. 

And as so often is the case with others of faith, I would ask that you not dare share your "faith" with me (or anyone else for that matter) in any way.  Just live it completely and quietly. 

Kinda like the Amish, only even more primitive.  I wont tell you how to live your life and you can go about your business and not force  your faith upon me and mine.  Or anyone else for that matter.

Like that's gonna happen.

People only demand equality with those they envy.  The reality of it is this.  They just want to drag everyone down to their level of misery and then climb over them.

In this case, it's to turn on the AC they've earned with their carbon credits.  What a bunch of 'tards.  Dangerous 'tards.


Option B please... Recognize the vast majority of scientists in the field believe it to be real and realize there ain't a damn thing about it that affects me, and move on to the next Walking Dead episode
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
China has no incentive to change it's policy or to pursue technological changes when what they are doing right now is cheap and effective. There is zero incentive for China to pursue new technologies because they simply don't have to in order to be successful.

This is the key assumption that is false.  It's no secret that the status quo over there cannot be maintained. In fact something pretty major needs to happen to simply maintain the economic trajectory. If it reduces the likelihood of human extinction even better.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 02:34:55 PM
This is the key assumption that is false.  It's no secret that the status quo over there cannot be maintained. In fact something pretty major needs to happen to simply maintain the economic trajectory. If it reduces the likelihood of human extinction even better.

The status quo can be maintained as long as it's profitable and it will remain profitable for decades.  As the United States manufacturing slows to a halt China has even less competition to be concerned about.  China has its fingers all over the globe and shows no signs of stopping and they will fuel that machine with fossil fuels.  We haven't talk about India.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: AbrahamG on March 03, 2015, 03:16:42 PM
This is the key assumption that is false.  It's no secret that the status quo over there cannot be maintained. In fact something pretty major needs to happen to simply maintain the economic trajectory. If it reduces the likelihood of human extinction even better.

Hell, I like you.  You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 03:29:33 PM
The status quo can be maintained as long as it's profitable and it will remain profitable for decades.  As the United States manufacturing slows to a halt China has even less competition to be concerned about.  China has its fingers all over the globe and shows no signs of stopping and they will fuel that machine with fossil fuels.  We haven't talk about India.

That's a reasonable argument.  Decades is not that long and it's possible the world may not be destroyed in just a few decades. If you assume it's worth thinking that far ahead it's only natural to concern yourself with solutions.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 03:30:20 PM
Hell, I like you.  You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

 ;D
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 03:33:41 PM
That's a reasonable argument.  Decades is not that long and it's possible the world may not be destroyed in just a few decades. If you assume it's worth thinking that far ahead it's only natural to concern yourself with solutions.

I'm not going to worry about something that is beyond my control.  Economic and governmental interests hold all the cards.  I'm also not going to pin my hopes on future technologies there is no guarantee will come to fruition.  Obama's deal with China was meaningless.  It's not even binding.  It makes great press but does not and makes no guarantees of future action. 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 03:38:29 PM
I would also argue that if Africa ever begins to develop in any appreciable way the international community will not attempt to encourage restrictions on their energy consumption and carbon emissions. The reason will be humanitarian.  It will be considered unfair.   I doubt African's will on it's own but China has a strong presence in Africa.  
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: booty on March 03, 2015, 04:16:56 PM
jeans shorts  ;)
Get so tired of always dressing in a summer wardrobe. I can only wear my leather jacket when I travel overseas.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
I'm not going to worry about something that is beyond my control.  Economic and governmental interests hold all the cards.  I'm also not going to pin my hopes on future technologies there is no guarantee will come to fruition.  Obama's deal with China was meaningless.  It's not even binding.  It makes great press but does not and makes no guarantees of future action. 

You don't have to feel any particular way about it. At this point, it's the dishonesty that is the  problem. Not everyone is concerned about this but it's very strange position. I saw somewhere that there exists an inverse relationship with economic status and level of concern for the environment. You must be doing pretty well!  
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
You don't have to feel any particular way about it. At this point, it's the dishonesty that is the  problem. Not everyone is concerned about this but it's very strange position. I saw somewhere that there exists an inverse relationship with economic status and level of concern for the environment. You must be doing pretty well!  

It would be irrational to worry about something that is very low on my list of concerns.  I choose to prioritize my concerns by order of importance and by my ability to effect it's outcome.

Dishonesty?  How so?  By the way, your response really has nothing to do with any of my points. 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
It would be irrational to worry about something that is very low on my list of concerns.  I choose to prioritize my concerns by order of importance and by my ability to effect it's outcome.

Dishonesty?  How so?  By the way, your response really has nothing to do with any of my points. 

Who's going to sort it out? Chinese peasants and indigenous peoples in miscellaneous reserves? Consider the issue of responsibility rather than how easy a change is to implement.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 05:33:06 PM
Who's going to sort it out? Chinese peasants and indigenous peoples in miscellaneous reserves? Consider the issue of responsibility rather than how easy a change is to implement.

None of us have the power to "sort it out"   You and I don't and the waning United States doesnt either.  Implementation is far more important than feelings of responsibility.  I can feel responsible all I want but that means nothing in terms of a viable solution.  China, India and the rest of the developing world will decide whether its in their interest to do anything about the  problem.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The Scott on March 03, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
Most people have concern for the welfare of their children, grandchildren etc. 

Is that so pointless?

Looking around at the blank, listless, sheer stupidity of what passes for people these days I highly doubt it.  So called adults allow their children to dress and speak like filth.  If they cared then they wouldn't do the same, much less foster this behavior in their offspring.

Society's zeitgeist is to embrace ghetto filth, white trash and anything and everything associated with being worthless.  So no, I would hazard that the majority of people have little if any concern for the welfare of their children, grand children, etc.

Except for their welfare checks, of course.

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 07:16:45 PM
None of us have the power to "sort it out"   You and I don't and the waning United States doesnt either.  Implementation is far more important than feelings of responsibility.  I can feel responsible all I want but that means nothing in terms of a viable solution.  China, India and the rest of the developing world will decide whether its in their interest to do anything about the  problem.

who is responsible for this atrocity?

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ABC_jim_inhofe_jef_150226_4x3t_384.jpg)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: DanM on March 03, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Global warming is a hoax, just another means for taxation.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 07:36:14 PM
Looking around at the blank, listless, sheer stupidity of what passes for people these days I highly doubt it.  So called adults allow their children to dress and speak like filth.  If they cared then they wouldn't do the same, much less foster this behavior in their offspring.

Society's zeitgeist is to embrace ghetto filth, white trash and anything and everything associated with being worthless.  So no, I would hazard that the majority of people have little if any concern for the welfare of their children, grand children, etc.

Except for their welfare checks, of course.



this social rot goes top to bottom.  I've been trying to make a point about appropriate action and moral obligation but  it seems to have fallen upon deaf ears....apparently we're only to attend to our financial investments.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The Scott on March 03, 2015, 07:49:14 PM
this social rot goes top to bottom.  I've been trying to make a point about appropriate action and moral obligation but  it seems to have fallen upon deaf ears....apparently we're only to attend to our financial investments.

Yes, it is widespread across the spectrum of (again) what passes for humanity these days.  I very much doubt we're destroying the planet.

But civilization?  Damn right.  And its not "we" that's destroying it.  It's them.  The worthless dregs of society.  The human waste.  Pond scum.  The lazy.  The politically correct. 

I fail to see the difference in being told to save the planet and the chicken little reaction of the leftist libtards and how these same moral limbo arteests react to someone wanting to save their "soul".  They want Christ out of their life (and that is just fine with me) but to Hades with anyone that refuses to kowtow to their filthy libtard ways and does not tow the line when it comes to the façade that is climate change, transgender BS and other tripe they want to foist on us.

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 03, 2015, 09:59:14 PM
Get so tired of always dressing in a summer wardrobe. I can only wear my leather jacket when I travel overseas.

Relocate to Tasmania   ;D
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 10:04:37 PM
who is responsible for this atrocity?

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ABC_jim_inhofe_jef_150226_4x3t_384.jpg)

Irrelevant to anything we've discussed. You keep trying to divert the topic by posting silly shit like this.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: booty on March 03, 2015, 10:19:51 PM
Relocate to Tasmania   ;D
No way, too many drop bears.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 03, 2015, 11:04:04 PM
Irrelevant to anything we've discussed. You keep trying to divert the topic by posting silly shit like this.

It's a serious question. You think it's silly?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 03, 2015, 11:12:57 PM
It's a serious question. You think it's silly?

The question has nothing to do with anything we've discussed.  You're trying to divert the discussion as you have tried several times. Why ask the question? 
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: James28 on March 04, 2015, 01:06:04 AM
haha well you made half of getbig salivate at the thought of you in your nighty.

And the other half nauseus when you imagine a 50yo duck face in a 'nightie'  :-\
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 04, 2015, 01:07:50 AM
No way, too many drop bears.

Don't U like cute devils  ;)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: calfzilla on March 04, 2015, 01:14:43 AM
And the other half nauseus when you imagine a 50yo duck face in a 'nightie'  :-\

But her tits are only 9 years old
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: muscleman-2013 on March 04, 2015, 01:33:22 AM
Lol here we go again, confusing weather with climate..,lol this is what poor education does to people

 (http://www.lemonfarm.com.au/images/Alf0912.jpg)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: _bruce_ on March 04, 2015, 02:47:25 AM
Yes, it is widespread across the spectrum of (again) what passes for humanity these days.  I very much doubt we're destroying the planet.

But civilization?  Damn right.  And its not "we" that's destroying it.  It's them.  The worthless dregs of society.  The human waste.  Pond scum.  The lazy.  The politically correct. 

I fail to see the difference in being told to save the planet and the chicken little reaction of the leftist libtards and how these same moral limbo arteests react to someone wanting to save their "soul".  They want Christ out of their life (and that is just fine with me) but to Hades with anyone that refuses to kowtow to their filthy libtard ways and does not tow the line when it comes to the façade that is climate change, transgender BS and other tripe they want to foist on us.



Agree. Too many scams to even name nowadays.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Pneumothorax on March 04, 2015, 02:59:08 AM
http://climate.nasa.gov/state_of_flux#Mississippi_Delta_930x463.jpg

How does global warming cause the amount of land to increase?  I thought rising seas and melting ice would destroy all the coastal land not create more.  And why does the second picture look so much greener and appears to have alot more vegetation than the first?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 04, 2015, 03:17:10 AM
Yes, it is widespread across the spectrum of (again) what passes for humanity these days.  I very much doubt we're destroying the planet.

But civilization?  Damn right.  And its not "we" that's destroying it.  It's them.  The worthless dregs of society.  The human waste.  Pond scum.  The lazy.  The politically correct. 

I fail to see the difference in being told to save the planet and the chicken little reaction of the leftist libtards and how these same moral limbo arteests react to someone wanting to save their "soul".  They want Christ out of their life (and that is just fine with me) but to Hades with anyone that refuses to kowtow to their filthy libtard ways and does not tow the line when it comes to the façade that is climate change, transgender BS and other tripe they want to foist on us.


'
How silly, you "doubt" we are destroying the planet? I can sleep soundly at night knowing you doubt a fact. We are destroying the planet, it couldn't be anymore obvious. The only place where this retarded denial exists is the states, due to propaganda and oil company rhetoric.

Your logic is very sound in the face of decades of data and meticulous study. Human is small, earth is big, how human hurt earth?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 04, 2015, 03:19:07 AM
http://climate.nasa.gov/state_of_flux#Mississippi_Delta_930x463.jpg

How does global warming cause the amount of land to increase?  I thought rising seas and melting ice would destroy all the coastal land not create more.  And why does the second picture look so much greener and appears to have alot more vegetation than the first?

It says right in the link you provide the reason.

You must be a sleuth
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: blacken700 on March 04, 2015, 03:23:14 AM
http://climate.nasa.gov/state_of_flux#Mississippi_Delta_930x463.jpg

How does global warming cause the amount of land to increase?  I thought rising seas and melting ice would destroy all the coastal land not create more.  And why does the second picture look so much greener and appears to have alot more vegetation than the first?

Most of the Mississippi River delta plain is losing ground, but new land is forming in Atchafalaya Bay at the mouths of the Wax Lake Outlet and the Atchafalaya River. Wax Lake Outlet is an artificial channel built to reduce the severity of floods in Morgan City, Louisiana. The Atchafalaya is a distributary of the Mississippi River. Combined, their deltas grow an estimated 2.8 square kilometers (1.1 square mile) per year. Floods transport large amounts of sediment to Atchafalaya Bay, while hurricanes redistribute sediment within the bay and destroy coastal vegetation that would otherwise protect land from erosion.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Garbage Man on March 04, 2015, 03:32:27 AM
Of course global warming isn't happening.





















It's not even in the Bible.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 04, 2015, 06:12:31 AM




the gentleman with the snowball oversees the environmental protection programs for th US
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: AbrahamG on March 04, 2015, 04:19:24 PM




the gentleman with the snowball oversees the environmental protection programs for th US

I'm fucking embarrassed for my country and for the retards on this board who are in lock step with it.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: timfogarty on March 04, 2015, 04:34:00 PM


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 04, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
  • Oil and coal contain hydrocarbons that when burned release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
  • Hydrocarbons that took hundreds of millions of years to deposit have been consumed in the 150 years since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
  • We have dramatically increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere
  • The only question is how much of an effect does all that extra CO2 have on climate. The answer from the experts is a lot.




Is that Manns hockey stick?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The Scott on March 04, 2015, 05:08:14 PM
'
How silly, you "doubt" we are destroying the planet? I can sleep soundly at night knowing you doubt a fact. We are destroying the planet, it couldn't be anymore obvious. The only place where this retarded denial exists is the states, due to propaganda and oil company rhetoric.

Your logic is very sound in the face of decades of data and meticulous study. Human is small, earth is big, how human hurt earth?

Get rid of your computer and any and all electrical conveniences now.  No  more vehicles powered by anything other than you.  And you have to make them yourself from scratch.

Your fears, you suffer for them.  You. Not me.  You.  Your family.  For that matter you shouldn't have a family.  Poisoning Gaia with more inhumane humans?!  How dastardly of you.

Silly libtards. Live your BS or hush like the child you are.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 04, 2015, 09:34:19 PM
Like I said. Here's the reason for "global warming"...

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/07/ca-imposes-a-global-warming-tax-for-fuel-on-top-of-gas-taxes/
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 04, 2015, 10:10:40 PM
Like I said. Here's the reason for "global warming"...

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/07/ca-imposes-a-global-warming-tax-for-fuel-on-top-of-gas-taxes/

do you have any questions on the topic?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 04, 2015, 10:23:49 PM
Among American Conservatives, but not Liberals, trust in science has been declining since the 1970's. Climate science has become particularly polarized, with Conservatives being more likely than Liberals to reject the notion that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the globe. Conversely, opposition to genetically-modified (GM) foods and vaccinations is often ascribed to the political Left although reliable data are lacking. There are also growing indications that rejection of science is suffused by conspiracist ideation, that is the general tendency to endorse conspiracy theories including the specific beliefs that inconvenient scientific findings constitute a “hoax.”

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0075637

some more scientific propaganda for ya  :)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 04, 2015, 10:46:43 PM
Among American Conservatives, but not Liberals, trust in science has been declining since the 1970's. Climate science has become particularly polarized, with Conservatives being more likely than Liberals to reject the notion that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the globe. Conversely, opposition to genetically-modified (GM) foods and vaccinations is often ascribed to the political Left although reliable data are lacking. There are also growing indications that rejection of science is suffused by conspiracist ideation, that is the general tendency to endorse conspiracy theories including the specific beliefs that inconvenient scientific findings constitute a “hoax.”

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0075637

some more scientific propaganda for ya  :)

Hahaha. ^^^^
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
Hahaha. ^^^^

LOL ^^^^^
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 05, 2015, 01:37:40 PM
Get rid of your computer and any and all electrical conveniences now.  No  more vehicles powered by anything other than you.  And you have to make them yourself from scratch.

Your fears, you suffer for them.  You. Not me.  You.  Your family.  For that matter you shouldn't have a family.  Poisoning Gaia with more inhumane humans?!  How dastardly of you.

Silly libtards. Live your BS or hush like the child you are.

What the sweet fuck are you getting on with? the only solution is to revert back to the stone age? you are too stupid to live.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The Scott on March 05, 2015, 02:10:40 PM
What the sweet fuck are you getting on with? the only solution is to revert back to the stone age? you are too stupid to live.

Your ignorance more than betrays you and you're ill equipped for a battle of words much less wits.

Simpleton.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Natural Man on March 05, 2015, 02:18:06 PM
'
How silly, you "doubt" we are destroying the planet? I can sleep soundly at night knowing you doubt a fact. We are destroying the planet, it couldn't be anymore obvious. The only place where this retarded denial exists is the states, due to propaganda and oil company rhetoric.

Your logic is very sound in the face of decades of data and meticulous study. Human is small, earth is big, how human hurt earth?
we are a product of nature, of life. We re indeed destroying the planet. Conclusion, life evolves then destroys itself.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 05, 2015, 02:43:20 PM
Your ignorance more than betrays you and you're ill equipped for a battle of words much less wits.

Simpleton.

Ignorance regarding what exactly?

You make no sense.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 05, 2015, 03:01:42 PM
we are a product of nature, of life. We re indeed destroying the planet. Conclusion, life evolves then destroys itself.

man is not the crown of evolution, we are like animals are to man compared to what is to come.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 05, 2015, 03:04:45 PM
we are like animals are to man compared to what is to come.

We're food??  To Serve Man is a cookbook!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 03:30:35 PM
man is not the crown of evolution, we are like animals are to man compared to what is to come.

what's coming?

 ???
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 05, 2015, 03:36:17 PM
the Superman.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 03:45:42 PM
the Superman.

mutation of the human species?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
Ignorance regarding what exactly?

You make no sense.

conspiracist ideation is a recursive phenomena

hope this helps  :)

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 05, 2015, 03:53:18 PM
yes coming through our evolution/transformation.

"Man is a transitional being; he is not final. As it did not begin with him, neither does it end with him. He is not its evident crown, not its highest issue, not the last clear sum of Nature. Nature has not brought out in man her highest possibilities; she has not reached in him the supreme heights of consciousness and being; as there was before him the infrahuman, the insect and animal, so there shall be after him the superhuman, the superman.
Man may himself become the superman, he may become all that he is not now; but for that he must exceed himself. It is not by clinging to his present imperfect consciousness that he can take the next step in the evolution. He must discover and release the spiritual godhead within him, realise his divine possibilities, be himself the giant potential something, the divine someone who has been struggling into emergence out of the original plasm that imprisoned it since began the mystery of terrestrial Nature." - Sri Aurobindo
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Erik C on March 05, 2015, 03:55:44 PM
yes coming through our evolution/transformation.

"Man is a transitional being; he is not final. As it did not begin with him, neither does it end with him. He is not its evident crown, not its highest issue, not the last clear sum of Nature. Nature has not brought out in man her highest possibilities; she has not reached in him the supreme heights of consciousness and being; as there was before him the infrahuman, the insect and animal, so there shall be after him the superhuman, the superman.
Man may himself become the superman, he may become all that he is not now; but for that he must exceed himself. It is not by clinging to his present imperfect consciousness that he can take the next step in the evolution. He must discover and release the spiritual godhead within him, realise his divine possibilities, be himself the giant potential something, the divine someone who has been struggling into emergence out of the original plasm that imprisoned it since began the mystery of terrestrial Nature." - Sri Aurobindo


Horse Shit!
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 05, 2015, 03:57:44 PM
Hi God playing Erica, how are you?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: thegamechanger on March 05, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
debating global warming
thats some gay shit
hahaha jesus.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: timfogarty on March 05, 2015, 03:58:38 PM
what's coming?

Terminator, Ultron, Matrix, Fembots
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 05, 2015, 03:59:23 PM
Terminator, Ultron, Matrix, Fembots

So pretty much machine overlords?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 05, 2015, 04:05:47 PM
I thought it was climate change now?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
yes coming through our evolution/transformation.

"Man is a transitional being; he is not final. As it did not begin with him, neither does it end with him. He is not its evident crown, not its highest issue, not the last clear sum of Nature. Nature has not brought out in man her highest possibilities; she has not reached in him the supreme heights of consciousness and being; as there was before him the infrahuman, the insect and animal, so there shall be after him the superhuman, the superman.
Man may himself become the superman, he may become all that he is not now; but for that he must exceed himself. It is not by clinging to his present imperfect consciousness that he can take the next step in the evolution. He must discover and release the spiritual godhead within him, realise his divine possibilities, be himself the giant potential something, the divine someone who has been struggling into emergence out of the original plasm that imprisoned it since began the mystery of terrestrial Nature." - Sri Aurobindo


have you seen any hints of this supernatural stuff

I more open minded about this than I used to be

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Lustral on March 05, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
Quick post to show i am not dead.

I think the climate change lobby is out of control and detrimental to science (you are a pariah if you disagree with it) but as has been said weather is not climate. It was -18c here with snow for six weeks in 2009/10. That was freakish for here. 2010/2011 we had three weeks snow. Since then snow shovels and grit have sold well and people stockpile them. We had two cm his week in some places. Fuck all since 2011. Weather is not climate.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 06:06:14 PM
(http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Powell-Science-Pie-Chart.png)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Erik C on March 05, 2015, 06:11:57 PM
(http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Powell-Science-Pie-Chart.png)

The others don't confirm global warming/climate change either. The Orwellian wording of these environmental political babble articles, designed to make quick profits for some, at the expense of the masses, is appalling, yet obvious.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 06:20:21 PM
The others don't confirm global warming/climate change either. The Orwellian wording of these environmental political babble articles, designed to make quick profits for some, at the expense of the masses, is appalling, yet obvious.

Curious to know more about your thoughts on the coming mutation of the human species
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Erik C on March 05, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
Curious to know more about your thoughts on the coming mutation of the human species

What coming mutation of the human species?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: The True Adonis on March 05, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
Choosing not to have children is about the only way and best way to combat global warming.

I am doing my part for sure in this regard.  No other action can even compare as far as carbon output is concerned.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 06:37:25 PM
What coming mutation of the human species?

something is coming but details are sparse
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 05, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
Choosing not to have children is about the only way and best way to combat global warming.

I am doing my part for sure in this regard.  No other action can even compare as far as carbon output is concerned.

consider investing in a used vehicle instead of buying new.  A lot of energy is expended manufacturing cars.


air-cooled 90's Porsche 993 sounds about right.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Erik C on March 05, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
Choosing not to have children is about the only way and best way to combat global warming.

I am doing my part for sure in this regard.  No other action can even compare as far as carbon output is concerned.

On behalf of all of humanity, I want to thank you for not reproducing.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: timfogarty on March 05, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Choosing not to have children is about the only way and best way to combat global warming.
I am doing my part for sure in this regard.  No other action can even compare as far as carbon output is concerned.

best things an individual can do to reduce greenhouse gasses in the upper atmosphere is 1) don't eat beef, 2) minimize your number of long distance flights

(https://www.extension.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/US%20livestock%20GHG_0.jpg)

http://www.extension.org/pages/69145/sources-of-agricultural-greenhouse-gases
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 06, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
carbon levels follow climate change not the other way around
Title: Re: 1972 - Walter Cronkite warned of a new Ice Age
Post by: blacken700 on March 06, 2015, 10:03:01 AM




the gentleman with the snowball oversees the environmental protection programs for th US
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: mr.turbo on March 06, 2015, 11:18:04 AM
carbon levels follow climate change not the other way around

the process is cyclical I believe so the concepts are not exclusive

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11659-climate-myths-ice-cores-show-co2-increases-lag-behind-temperature-rises-disproving-the-link-to-global-warming.html#.VPn9QfknnqQ
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Natural Man on March 06, 2015, 11:22:48 AM
yes coming through our evolution/transformation.

"Man is a transitional being; he is not final. As it did not begin with him, neither does it end with him. He is not its evident crown, not its highest issue, not the last clear sum of Nature. Nature has not brought out in man her highest possibilities; she has not reached in him the supreme heights of consciousness and being; as there was before him the infrahuman, the insect and animal, so there shall be after him the superhuman, the superman.
Man may himself become the superman, he may become all that he is not now; but for that he must exceed himself. It is not by clinging to his present imperfect consciousness that he can take the next step in the evolution. He must discover and release the spiritual godhead within him, realise his divine possibilities, be himself the giant potential something, the divine someone who has been struggling into emergence out of the original plasm that imprisoned it since began the mystery of terrestrial Nature." - Sri Aurobindo


Or, maybe...man isnt going to evolve , more likely devolve and will simply destroy itself and disapear, leaving other animal species to dominate the planet until the sun explodes and destroys it once and for all...

It's probably more reassuring to believe something "greater" awaits us than realizing nothing awaits us tho.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 06, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
you find reassurance in your own worldview otherwise you wouldnt have it.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 07, 2015, 04:58:05 AM
carbon levels follow climate change not the other way around

What?


are you saying that the warming is not due to C02 but that C02 is a consequence? what is the driver of warming then?

Oh by the way, kundalini nonsense you might feel is simply a known phenomenon called Kindling. Isn't Science fun? it makes bullshit explainable without crazy non-sensical fantasies.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 07, 2015, 05:00:08 AM
you know nothing about kundalini so keep your trap shut.

And it is real scientists who I listen to about climate change saying that, not tin foil hattery.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 07, 2015, 05:07:48 AM
you know nothing about kundalini so keep your trap shut.

And it is real scientists who I listen to about climate change saying that, not tin foil hattery.

Oh jesus.

Yes it's so esoteric I couldn't possibly know anything about it. When you think god is coming out of your bottom and shooting through your "chakras" take a minute and read about kindling.

What do you mean "real scientists" if they aren't climatologists who cares? you sound like Beach Bum, you have a group of "real" experts who you consult that have the "real" answers.

What you are saying doesn't make sense, in a basic chemistry, climatology manner. What is causing the current warming if not C02 (a greenhouse gas)?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 07, 2015, 05:24:05 AM
Lets put the kundalini issue aside here this is a global warming thread. I will read about Kindling but I know where your coming from, that there is no spiritual basis for life and matter, well I disagree and wont waste time arguing that.


Yes they are climatologists and they say carbon levels follow warming and cooling. The warming and cooling are from the sun.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 07, 2015, 05:28:14 AM
Lets put the kundalini issue aside here this is a global warming thread. I will read about Kindling but I know where your coming from, that there is no spiritual basis for life and matter, well I disagree and wont waste time arguing that.


Yes they are climatologists and they say carbon levels follow warming and cooling. The warming and cooling are from the sun.

Ok, so what aspect of the sun? you realize we measure solar output very accurately right? based on the sun's output (slightly less currently) we should be cooling if no other factors were present.

They are wrong, flat out wrong. NASA has whole satellites dedicated to solar study, we can see solar flares, measure UV reaching the surface etc. You are either flat out lying, don't understand what they are saying or these "friends" are poor climatologists.

Show me a paper outlining what they are saying.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: YngiweRhoads on March 07, 2015, 06:43:36 AM
you find reassurance in your own worldview otherwise you wouldnt have it.

Nothing reassuring about reality.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 07, 2015, 09:05:54 AM
Nothing reassuring about reality.

It's hard for some to face the bare facts of the matter.

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 07, 2015, 09:11:02 AM
Or, maybe...man isnt going to evolve , more likely devolve and will simply destroy itself and disapear, leaving other animal species to dominate the planet until the sun explodes and destroys it once and for all...

It's probably more reassuring to believe something "greater" awaits us than realizing nothing awaits us tho.

The whole quote is a misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution has no goal, no direction, there is no final form and not all things are possible, we will still be carbon based DNA containing organisms. Evolution occurs from pressure, can't reach the food in the tree, the ones with longer necks can and thus live and breed making longer necks.We have circumvented selective pressure, evolution isn't cell from dragon ball z, there is no final form, we won't be supermen.

Humans will control evolution and perhaps genetically modify people, but a slow progression of winged humans communicating via telepathy isn't going to happen from any pressure I can think of.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 07, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
Nothing reassuring about reality.

pretty arrogant to think you know reality. Go deeper.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 07, 2015, 10:14:16 AM
The whole quote is a misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution has no goal, no direction, there is no final form and not all things are possible, we will still be carbon based DNA containing organisms. Evolution occurs from pressure, can't reach the food in the tree, the ones with longer necks can and thus live and breed making longer necks.We have circumvented selective pressure, evolution isn't cell from dragon ball z, there is no final form, we won't be supermen.

Humans will control evolution and perhaps genetically modify people, but a slow progression of winged humans communicating via telepathy isn't going to happen from any pressure I can think of.

the whole quote came from a man with a greater intellect than all getbiggers put together.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Wiggs on March 07, 2015, 10:16:20 AM
There is no global warming. There is climate change.  It is done at the hands of humans.  It's cyclical.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Necrosis on March 07, 2015, 12:21:32 PM
the whole quote came from a man with a greater intellect than all getbiggers put together.

In what respect. A man can be brilliant, if he is simply ignorant of the facts of science (sometimes counter-intuitive, needing extensions on intellect, ie microscope) he could easily misconstrue something. I just rebutted him, Evolution isn't going anywhere, it didn't have humans as a goal, nothing.

You can't keep hiding behind logical fallacies like appealing to your "friends" who may or may not exist. You cannot simply state someone is really smart and assume everything they say is correct. I am not doubting he is a genius, I am just pointing out a inconsistency with reality.

Are you saying evolution is purposeful?

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Erik C on March 07, 2015, 12:31:32 PM
the whole quote came from a man with a greater intellect than all getbiggers put together.

The whole quote came from a religious crackpot.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: BigRo on March 07, 2015, 12:45:13 PM
In what respect. A man can be brilliant, if he is simply ignorant of the facts of science (sometimes counter-intuitive, needing extensions on intellect, ie microscope) he could easily misconstrue something. I just rebutted him, Evolution isn't going anywhere, it didn't have humans as a goal, nothing.

You can't keep hiding behind logical fallacies like appealing to your "friends" who may or may not exist. You cannot simply state someone is really smart and assume everything they say is correct. I am not doubting he is a genius, I am just pointing out a inconsistency with reality.

Are you saying evolution is purposeful?



Yes.

The whole quote came from a religious crackpot.

He was well beyond conventional religious mode of thought. He bridged east and west in his vision. Of course anyone with an allergy to anything spiritual will dismiss his words.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Erik C on March 07, 2015, 12:48:50 PM
Yes.

He was well beyond conventional religious mode of thought. He bridged east and west in his vision. Of course anyone with an allergy to anything spiritual will dismiss his words.

Wasn't Sri Aurobino a close relative of Swami Suchabanana?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 07, 2015, 01:16:36 PM
There is no global warming. There is climate change.  It is done at the hands of humans.  It's cyclical.

How is climate on Nabiru world  8)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Archer77 on March 07, 2015, 01:51:26 PM
In what respect. A man can be brilliant, if he is simply ignorant of the facts of science (sometimes counter-intuitive, needing extensions on intellect, ie microscope) he could easily misconstrue something. I just rebutted him, Evolution isn't going anywhere, it didn't have humans as a goal, nothing.

You can't keep hiding behind logical fallacies like appealing to your "friends" who may or may not exist. You cannot simply state someone is really smart and assume everything they say is correct. I am not doubting he is a genius, I am just pointing out a inconsistency with reality.

Are you saying evolution is purposeful?



The whole hierarchy of species canard.