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Title: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 03, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Was doing flat bench today, and after unracking the weight and moving in to my first rep I felt a sensation of about three pops in my upper pec shoulder area.  This was followed by some immediate pain, and swelling in the pec area.  I do not have any bruising yet, and the muscle did not seem to roll up in to the pec, but the swelling is fairly significant in the general area.  Any chance this is just a strain, or does it sound like a pec tear?  Anyone have any experience with this injury?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: benchmstr on March 03, 2015, 08:47:28 AM
i tore a pec...trust me..you will know...you turn black and blue

bench
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Royalty on March 03, 2015, 08:47:30 AM
Are you taking steroids?


I've never met a natural guy that tore his pec on bench presses. I've met a few guys that took steroids that have though.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: CalvinH on March 03, 2015, 08:53:58 AM
Pip
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 03, 2015, 08:55:47 AM
If you have serious pain while wiping your ass.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 03, 2015, 09:36:21 AM
Sounds like partial tear. If so, you'll probably have some bruising in a day. It's a 3-4 week injury before you start benching again with baby weights and another month or so before you're back to where you were before the injury.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: disco_stu on March 03, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
if u actually feel pops then its torn.

torn severely causes bruising. you dont need bruising to have a tear.

you will know if its torn if it hurts when you move. but for sure if you heard or felt a pop, and theres swelling, you tore something.

weight training is a long term pursuit- dont do anything for a few weeks and let it heal. rush back and you could end your BB days by wrecking yourself. then you'd be pissed. a few weeks of nothing is much better than a lifetime of a deforming injury.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Noel Fuller on March 03, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
Heavy bruising almost immediately
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2015, 11:29:15 AM
Hmm, so you want to figure out if you tore your pec. You have 1 of 2 options:

1) Ask getbiggers, because all getbiggers are experts on medicine.

OR

2) Go see an actual medical doctor.


This is a tough call. Getbig is filled with experts related to a variety of disciplines, including physics, biology, psychology, history, economics, politics, chemistry, medicine, sociology, etc.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: _aj_ on March 03, 2015, 11:34:20 AM
Hmm, so you want to figure out if you tore your pec. You have 1 of 2 options:

1) Ask getbiggers, because all getbiggers are experts on medicine.

OR

2) Go see an actual medical doctor.


This is a tough call. Getbig is filled with experts related to a variety of disciplines, including physics, biology, psychology, history, economics, politics, chemistry, medicine, sociology, etc.

I can diagnose via his single post...

...he's good.

Keep hangin' and bangin' bro!
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Nails on March 03, 2015, 11:34:30 AM
how much were you bench pressing  ??? ???
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
I can diagnose via his single post...

...he's good.

Keep hangin' and bangin' bro!

Getbiggers dont even need to see the client. They diagnose from their computers.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2015, 11:42:24 AM
how much were you bench pressing  ??? ???

He posts on getbig, therefore 405X12
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Option D on March 03, 2015, 11:43:52 AM
did it turn colors?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 03, 2015, 11:54:48 AM
It's been about 4 hours, has not changed color at all yet, but very sore, and the swelling is pretty heavy.  I got into an ortho, buts still two weeks away.  Could just be a strain, but don't want to downplay it due to the actual occurrence, and the feeling when it happened.  I've always been told you will know right away when you tear a muscle, but I'm not sure in this case. 

Does a torn pec require surgery in most cases?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: BB on March 03, 2015, 11:55:03 AM
It's probably along the lines of a grade 1 pec strain/tear, if you can't see bruising or feel any deformation in it.You'll just need to rest it for a couple of weeks and add in some stretching and very light warm ups like isometric work over the course of that time. If it was more serious, you'd definitely see a decent amount of bruising, etc....
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: _aj_ on March 03, 2015, 11:56:23 AM
OP might want to swear off bench for a while. You may never go back.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Nails on March 03, 2015, 11:58:03 AM
He posts on getbig, therefore 405X12


Just warming up i see
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2015, 12:13:20 PM

Just warming up i see

LMAO!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Waller on March 03, 2015, 12:19:03 PM
Dig around the pec with your finger tips when you are able. Tears can be felt, feel for gaps in the muscle, indentations, little ridges running along the pec. If you're unsure if what you're feeling is unusual reference your other pec.

That may give you an answer.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Royalty on March 03, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
It's probably along the lines of a grade 1 pec strain/tear, if you can't see bruising or feel any deformation in it.You'll just need to rest it for a couple of weeks and add in some stretching and very light warm ups like isometric work over the course of that time. If it was more serious, you'd definitely see a decent amount of bruising, etc....

I would be careful about stretching the pec until the swelling goes down
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: BB on March 03, 2015, 12:32:24 PM
I would be careful about stretching the pec until the swelling goes down

Yeah, not the first day, but like a week or so in. It takes a while physically to get over even a light one, and then mentally it takes even longer  :(.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 03, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
How often do pec tears require surgery?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: BB on March 03, 2015, 12:57:29 PM
How often do pec tears require surgery?

You won't know till/if you have a doctor look at it, but it's still pretty rare, all things considered. But if they recommend it, take it. The recovery rates in relation to physical performance are much better that opting for non surgical treatment. 
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 03, 2015, 06:51:04 PM
I hope you are icing it.

Might as well accept it right now... your heavy benching days are over.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: HTexan on March 03, 2015, 06:57:42 PM
Are you taking steroids?


I've never met a natural guy that tore his pec on bench presses. I've met a few guys that took steroids that have though.
Never done steroids, and I had a small partial pec tear in college. It isn't hard, willpower + working out too much, too heavy, and too stupidly.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 03, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
Never done steroids, and I had a small partial pec tear in college. It isn't hard, willpower + working out too much, too heavy, and too stupidly.

Was it diagnosed?  How long we're you out of training?  What did you experience, and did it require surgery?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: HTexan on March 03, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
Was it diagnosed?  How long we're you out of training?  What did you experience, and did it require surgery?
Yes, by an RN I knew. Couldn't afford to go to the doctor.
I think it was about 4 months. But that was also becuase I was scared to hurt it again.
No, surgery. I was lucky. I hear most tears require it. But I'm not a doctor.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 03, 2015, 07:35:53 PM
Yes, by an RN I knew. Couldn't afford to go to the doctor.
I think it was about 4 months. But that was also becuase I was scared to hurt it again.
No, surgery. I was lucky. I hear most tears require it. But I'm not a doctor.

Did you have bruising and swelling? Was the pain on the outer pec into the armpit area?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 03, 2015, 07:51:48 PM
Not a doctor. I had a complete bicep rupture. Bicep rolled up to my shoulder. If I understand this correctly you can have a complete tendon rip off, a partial tendon tear where it's still attached or even a muscle tear where the tendon is still attached.

See an orthopedic surgeon. See one that specializes in that joint. There are just too many that claim they do it all. The orth practice I went to had a hip guy, a knee guy. foot guy and a shoulder to the hand guy. He will examine your joint and probably order an mri.  If you have a partial tear I would imagine that's a quick fix operation and quicker to recover from than from a complete tear.

Hopefully you just have a bad strain or a slight muscle tear.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: tommywishbone on March 03, 2015, 07:58:52 PM
Relax.

Ice the area a few times daily. If it was a pec tear, within 24-36 hours you will see plenty of bruising. It will be unmistakable. If it is a tear, you'll be able to train around the injury fairly easy. Yes, your chest training will suffer as will your shoulder training.

Drug use or not using any drugs is completely irrelevant to the issue. The color of the shirt you were wearing while bench pressing is just as important.

This is my training partner.  He did this 10 days ago. This is a text book grade II pec tear. He did it bench pressing 405 x 3.  He felt the "Pop" on the last rep.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 04, 2015, 08:35:45 AM
Relax.

Ice the area a few times daily. If it was a pec tear, within 24-36 hours you will see plenty of bruising. It will be unmistakable. If it is a tear, you'll be able to train around the injury fairly easy. Yes, your chest training will suffer as will your shoulder training.

Drug use or not using any drugs is completely irrelevant to the issue. The color of the shirt you were wearing while bench pressing is just as important.

This is my training partner.  He did this 10 days ago. This is a text book grade II pec tear. He did it bench pressing 405 x 3.  He felt the "Pop" of the last rep.

Ouch! Is he going in for surgery soon?  I have developed some minor bruising on the bicep area today, but overall my swelling is down a bit.  Based on a lot of the experiences I have been reading about, Im pretty sure I tore my pec, and will require surgery.  I was able to an earlier appt with an orthopaedic experienced in the procedure and I am sure he will set up an MRI, or at least I will request one. 
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: MAXX on March 04, 2015, 08:38:30 AM
i tore a pec...trust me..you will know...you turn black and blue

bench
not Always the case

Layne Norton tore his for example and no bruisin
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: _aj_ on March 04, 2015, 08:40:39 AM
I hope you are icing it.

Might as well accept it right now... your heavy benching days are over.

And your days of shoulder pain and lack of gainz in the pec department are over too. Bench press is great for one thing: bench pressing.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: MAXX on March 04, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
Might be a strain, just close to being a full tear.

Rest your pecs for 4 weeks or more for the tendon/muscle to heal and come back using lighter weights to see how it feels. Try pushups from the knees after 4 weeks of rest. Then you will know if it was bad or not. But rest for now.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Overload on March 04, 2015, 08:45:19 AM
I've had a similar thing happen years ago and it was when i was warming up with 225.  Felt and heard a few pops and instant pain.  Swelled up in a few hours and some bruising set in the next day.

It was a partial tear that didn't require surgery, just rest and time out of the gym.

Your Doctor will be able to tell you very quickly how bad it is.

Has the same thing happen to the long head of my tricep twice.

If you aren't a power lifter, just use DB's on flat bench.  I haven't used a BB on flat bench in years and my shoulders feel a lot better.  The vast majority of pec tears happen while doing BB flat bench.


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Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 04, 2015, 09:19:53 AM
And your days of shoulder pain and lack of gainz in the pec department are over too. Bench press is great for one thing: bench pressing.

So true. The bench is one of the most over rated exercises. It has caused more joint problems than any other weight exercise. It decreases flexibility in the joint among other things. If you want to know who is a good athlete with power and speed see how much they lift a barbell off the floor to over head. If it's a good poundage they will have a great vertical leap and explosive sprinting speed. The bench tells you nothing. I have seen guys who couldn't bench 225 but had so much power they hit the heavy bag like a ton of bricks. I have also seen 405 bench press guys that hit the heavy bag like a little girl. The bench is recently use exercise maybe 70 years.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 04, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
I've had a similar thing happen years ago and it was when i was warming up with 225.  Felt and heard a few pops and instant pain.  Swelled up in a few hours and some bruising set in the next day.

It was a partial tear that didn't require surgery, just rest and time out of the gym.

Your Doctor will be able to tell you very quickly how bad it is.

Has the same thing happen to the long head of my tricep twice.

If you aren't a power lifter, just use DB's on flat bench.  I haven't used a BB on flat bench in years and my shoulders feel a lot better.  The vast majority of pec tears happen while doing BB flat bench.


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That's good to know.  I have a very tight sensation in top corner of my left pec, almost in to the armpit area.  It seems to really tighten up right there as I try and move my arm over my head.  I don't notice any knots in or around the peck, although there seems to be a bit of an indention in the armpit area, but it seems to be due to the swelling. Did you have an MRI done to get diagnosed?  Was your bruising and swelling severe?  Did everything eventually get back to normal?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: goku on March 04, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
it sounds like a partial tear in the muscle belly itself. the same thing happened to me recently actually but in the anterior delt - whole area swelled up baf and continued to do so the next day.
but after that it subsided and was back to normal after rest.

give it a couple of days and you'll know more.
a tear in the muscle alone no point in getting surgery as they normally heal themselves pretty quickly unless its really severe, in which case you'll know you've torn it bad because you can't move it without a lot of pain!
difference between soreness and pain.

a tendon tear requires more force to occur and motion is restricted. bruising is common but not always the case - i tore my pec tendon and whole area was black and blue because of bleeding beneath the skin.
in a couple of days you'll have more of an idea. but rest it, ice it and see how you get on.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: LittleJ on March 04, 2015, 12:00:55 PM
I've had a similar thing happen years ago and it was when i was warming up with 225.  Felt and heard a few pops and instant pain.  Swelled up in a few hours and some bruising set in the next day.

It was a partial tear that didn't require surgery, just rest and time out of the gym.

Your Doctor will be able to tell you very quickly how bad it is.

Has the same thing happen to the long head of my tricep twice.

If you aren't a power lifter, just use DB's on flat bench.  I haven't used a BB on flat bench in years and my shoulders feel a lot better.  The vast majority of pec tears happen while doing BB flat bench.


8)

What a beast
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mawse on March 04, 2015, 12:59:08 PM
Thanks for the reminder why I quit benching, Tommy

After a grade 1 muscle tear a couple years back I decided it just wasn't worth the stress, and my form was so good I remember TA asking 'how the hell did you get injured benching like that?" :(

eventually it gets you
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: tommywishbone on March 04, 2015, 01:02:23 PM
Ouch! Is he going in for surgery soon?  I have developed some minor bruising on the bicep area today, but overall my swelling is down a bit.  Based on a lot of the experiences I have been reading about, Im pretty sure I tore my pec, and will require surgery.  I was able to an earlier appt with an orthopaedic experienced in the procedure and I am sure he will set up an MRI, or at least I will request one. 

Well- he may not require surgery. There is zero visible muscle retraction.  Lots of inflammation still but as it goes down it's looking pretty good.  Minimal pain on movement. ROM even right now is 90 percent. I bet there will be no surgery. 

One more specialist still to see. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 04, 2015, 01:20:49 PM
Well- he may not require surgery. There is zero visible muscle retraction.  Lots of inflammation still but as it goes down it's looking pretty good.  Minimal pain on movement. ROM even right now is 90 percent. I bet there will be no surgery. 

One more specialist still to see. I'll keep you posted.

That's what is so interesting about these injuries.  Layne Norton had no visible bruising at all and said he had a major tear and it put him out of commission for 6 months, but your friend has an absolute demolished looking injury and may not get surgery.  It almost seems that there is not enough information out there to predict what the best potential option is.  Main concern is that it doesn't heal properly and there is an issue down the road. 

Thanks for the update, Im quite interested in hearing his prognosis.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: HTexan on March 04, 2015, 05:18:12 PM
Thanks for the reminder why I quit benching, Tommy

After a grade 1 muscle tear a couple years back I decided it just wasn't worth the stress, and my form was so good I remember TA asking 'how the hell did you get injured benching like that?" :(

eventually it gets you
I can't quit benching, I know it isn't the best chest exercise but it is fun as fuck.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 04, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
That's good to know.  I have a very tight sensation in top corner of my left pec, almost in to the armpit area.  It seems to really tighten up right there as I try and move my arm over my head.  I don't notice any knots in or around the peck, although there seems to be a bit of an indention in the armpit area, but it seems to be due to the swelling. Did you have an MRI done to get diagnosed?  Was your bruising and swelling severe?  Did everything eventually get back to normal?

You seem to want people here to tell that nothing is wrong and it will heal all by itself.

GO TO THE DOCTOR!
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: DanielPaul on March 04, 2015, 05:49:03 PM
What's your pain on the pain scale?  Pick one  ;D :D :) :( >:( :-\ ??? :o
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 04, 2015, 06:29:07 PM
You seem to want people here to tell that nothing is wrong and it will heal all by itself.

GO TO THE DOCTOR!

Of course I want people to tell me that  8)

I have an appt with an Orthopedic guy tomorrow evening, and just in case have a second opinion doc set up in 12 days. 
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: kyomu on March 04, 2015, 11:43:11 PM
Heavy bench is totaly meaningless.
It wont make your pec thick and it cause injuly only.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: trapz101 on March 05, 2015, 12:06:26 AM
actually you should put more weight on bar and try to rep out few more to see if it's really a tear
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: HTexan on March 05, 2015, 11:46:23 AM
You seem to want people here to tell that nothing is wrong and it will heal all by itself.

GO TO THE DOCTOR!
Of course, the only reason I didn't go, like I said, is becuase this happen in college and I couldn't afford it.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 05, 2015, 09:41:15 PM
Saw the doctor this evening.  As soon as he saw it he said it was torn.  I informed him that there was no indention, but he asked to clasp my hands together and sure enough, there may have been one in the top corner by the armpit.  I have a MRI scheduled for tomorrow, so we will see. Not the greatest feeling in the world.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Nirvana on March 05, 2015, 09:43:42 PM
Suck it up and push through the pain
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 05, 2015, 09:48:07 PM
Kurt Cobain and Beethoven could not push through the pain.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: HTexan on March 05, 2015, 09:57:37 PM
Kurt Cobain and Beethoven could not push through the pain.
Too soon man.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 10, 2015, 04:22:16 PM
Had my MRI done this week, and was told I had a decent amount of tendon left, but was still diagnosed with a ruptured pec major.  He stated that the tendon tore away from the bone, but left a small 'cuff' of tissue still on the bone, and that it should be an easy fix.  The doc obviously stated that I needed surgery and wants to do so ASAP.  

With that said, after literally only one week, I have no pain right now.  Some bruising and swelling still, but ROM is 95% with no pain.  Have not tried any pressing movements yet,  but no pain as I type this.  Not feeling the 4-6 weeks in a sling and 6 month recovery if I don't really need it, but also do not want any long term issues such as a lack of strength in the area or extreme atrophy.  I'll never compete so having a minor dent when doing a most muscular is not that big of a deal to me.  

Has anyone tore their pec and opted out of surgery?  If so, what have the results been as time has passed?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 10, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
I recommend surgery, what do you have to lose, except a few weeks of inactivity? Do it.

I didn't get surgery in time and regret it, although it wasn't my fault, had to wait like a year for surgery and by then the tendon retracted too much for good result.

I used the sling for like 2 or 3 days instead of the month, just didn't put stress on the muscle.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 10, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
My doctor told me a tendon repair has the greatest chance of a successful operation when done immediately after the injury when every thing is fresh so too speak. He told me how one guy refused but came back 3 months later and wanted it done. He said he had to graft cadaver tendons and the chance of success was much lower than if he had it reattached days after the injury. I had my bicep which was completely torn off reattached 5 days after the injury. It took about 6 months to regain 95% strength back in the arm. I know many have partial tendon tears and I would think that is a easier fix and a quicker recovery. I just bring this up because if the pec isn't right for months then you decide to fix it the tendon reattachment might be problematic.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 10, 2015, 07:55:25 PM
Had my MRI done this week, and was told I had a decent amount of tendon left, but was still diagnosed with a ruptured pec major.  He stated that the tendon tore away from the bone, but left a small 'cuff' of tissue still on the bone, and that it should be an easy fix.  The doc obviously stated that I needed surgery and wants to do so ASAP.  

With that said, after literally only one week, I have no pain right now.  Some bruising and swelling still, but ROM is 95% with no pain.  Have not tried any pressing movements yet,  but no pain as I type this.  Not feeling the 4-6 weeks in a sling and 6 month recovery if I don't really need it, but also do not want any long term issues such as a lack of strength in the area or extreme atrophy.  I'll never compete so having a minor dent when doing a most muscular is not that big of a deal to me.  

Has anyone tore their pec and opted out of surgery?  If so, what have the results been as time has passed?

Why would you even think about going back to the gym with this injury? 

You're a meathead if you don't get the surgery... you do need it.  So you'll be out of the gym a few months... so what.

Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 11, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Why would you even think about going back to the gym with this injury? 

You're a meathead if you don't get the surgery... you do need it.  So you'll be out of the gym a few months... so what.



There are other obligations in life other than going to the gym.  Work, and earning a living is one of them.  With that said, it sounds like I would be out of commission for at least 4 weeks, and was told I would be in a sling for 6.  I understand in a perfect world this surgery would be the answer, but I have a partial tear and deciding whether or not to do surgery has been a tough decision.  Like I said, I'm about 90% ROM with no pain, and have no pain in any other day to day activities so to go from no pain, to in a sling for 6 weeks doesn't sound the most appealing to me.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 11, 2015, 03:52:05 PM
Had my MRI done this week, and was told I had a decent amount of tendon left, but was still diagnosed with a ruptured pec major.  He stated that the tendon tore away from the bone, but left a small 'cuff' of tissue still on the bone, and that it should be an easy fix.  The doc obviously stated that I needed surgery and wants to do so ASAP.  

With that said, after literally only one week, I have no pain right now.  Some bruising and swelling still, but ROM is 95% with no pain.  Have not tried any pressing movements yet,  but no pain as I type this.  Not feeling the 4-6 weeks in a sling and 6 month recovery if I don't really need it, but also do not want any long term issues such as a lack of strength in the area or extreme atrophy.  I'll never compete so having a minor dent when doing a most muscular is not that big of a deal to me.  

Has anyone tore their pec and opted out of surgery?  If so, what have the results been as time has passed?

I tore part of my rear delt and didn't have the surgery. There's noticeable bump where the fibers rolled up. At this point, the surgery would be strictly for cosmetic reasons. That said, if I could go back in time, I'd probably have it repaired.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: forillagorilla on March 11, 2015, 08:08:18 PM
Go see a doctor dumbass... I don't know - makes more sense than anonymously coming to a website of retards and asking their opinion of your description of what happened
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 11, 2015, 08:16:18 PM
Go see a doctor dumbass... I don't know - makes more sense than anonymously coming to a website of retards and asking their opinion of your description of what happened

Oh ok...would have never thought of that idea.  Thanks ForillaGorilla  :)
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 12, 2015, 05:40:15 AM
Don't have it fixed if you have a partial tendon tear then when it feels better in a couple of months when you bench 225lbs for a couple of reps it will rip completely off leaving your arm gimpy and almost useless for any athletic activity.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: njflex on March 12, 2015, 06:01:24 AM
I tore part of my rear delt and didn't have the surgery. There's noticeable bump where the fibers rolled up. At this point, the surgery would be strictly for cosmetic reasons. That said, if I could go back in time, I'd probably have it repaired.
HOW OR WHAT WERE YOU DOING TO TEAR THAT,80 LB REAR DELT RAISES LOL,,,SERIOUSLY..
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 12, 2015, 06:36:28 AM
Don't have it fixed if you have a partial tendon tear then when it feels better in a couple of months when you bench 225lbs for a couple of reps it will rip completely off leaving your arm gimpy and almost useless for any athletic activity.

I was about to write the same thing.  This guy is coming up with all kinds of silly excuses why he cannot have the surgery.  During my 49 years on this earth, I have concluded that many people on this planet are morons.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 12, 2015, 06:37:02 AM
HOW OR WHAT WERE YOU DOING TO TEAR THAT,80 LB REAR DELT RAISES LOL,,,SERIOUSLY..

I did it in BJJ doing a Judo throw, Ippon Seo Nage (pic below). Apparently, I didn't warm up enough that day. When executing the the throw, I heard the classic "pop" of a muscle tear in the right side of my upper back.

(http://www.judo-ch.jp/english/dictionary/technique/nage/te/ipponseoi/image/img01.gif)


Much like the majority of pec tears, it tore from the arm insertion.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/49/7e/43/497e431ad4e576d07f61fbfa9dc25bee.jpg)
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: njflex on March 12, 2015, 06:39:52 AM
I did it in BJJ doing a Judo throw, Ippon Seo Nage (pic below). Apparently, I didn't warm up enough that day. When executing the the throw, I heard the classic "pop" of a muscle tear in the right side of my upper back.

(http://www.judo-ch.jp/english/dictionary/technique/nage/te/ipponseoi/image/img01.gif)
oh that makes sense then..damn,,i always figure lifting related..
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 12, 2015, 05:46:39 PM
I was about to write the same thing.  This guy is coming up with all kinds of silly excuses why he cannot have the surgery.  During my 49 years on this earth, I have concluded that many people on this planet are morons.

What makes someone a moron is jumping in to something without exploring all of their options.  This site is for fellow training enthusiasts to come together in order to bounce ideas off of one another.  The first thing I did when this injury occurred was make an appointment with an orthopedic physician, have a MRI and get diagnosed, and then schedule an appt with another orthopedic in order to get a second opinion.

With all that said, I was operated this morning 03/12/15.  Doc said it was a clean tear from the bone with no additional damage.  I had the injury on 03/03/15, and had the procedure done 9 days later.  I'm a bit groggy obviously as I write this, but I will keep the thread updated a bit as I progress.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 12, 2015, 06:12:55 PM
What makes someone a moron is jumping in to something without exploring all of their options.  This site is for fellow training enthusiasts to come together in order to bounce ideas off of one another.  The first thing I did when this injury occurred was make an appointment with an orthopedic physician, have a MRI and get diagnosed, and then schedule an appt with another orthopedic in order to get a second opinion.

With all that said, I was operated this morning 03/12/15.  Doc said it was a clean tear from the bone with no additional damage.  I had the injury on 03/03/15, and had the procedure done 9 days later.  I'm a bit groggy obviously as I write this, but I will keep the thread updated a bit as I progress.

Congrats and get well soon.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Hulkotron on March 12, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
What is your length and girth?

I can diagnose your case after you provide these data.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 12, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
10x10 Brothaman.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: SF1900 on March 12, 2015, 06:38:06 PM
Why did you go to the doctor? Getbig Doctors were not sufficient for you?  ::) ::) :-\ :-\
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 15, 2015, 05:24:37 PM
Congrats and get well soon.

Thanks man. It's been a lot better going so far than I thought.  I realize that I have a long road ahead of me, but Im much more mobile than I would have thought at this stage.  Days 1-3 were brutal though.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: WalterWhite on March 15, 2015, 05:56:29 PM
Thanks man. It's been a lot better going so far than I thought.  I realize that I have a long road ahead of me, but Im much more mobile than I would have thought at this stage.  Days 1-3 were brutal though.

Glad things are moving along for you.

 I am shocked I never tore a pec when I was powerlifting.

Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: muscularny on March 16, 2015, 10:12:22 AM
If you have serious pain while wiping your ass.
we are talking about a serious bodybuilder here which means he cant reach to wipe his own ass. Now obviously if he does g4p he might have pain while wiping his ass but it wont be pec pain
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: illuminati on March 16, 2015, 10:18:35 AM
i tore a pec...trust me..you will know...you turn black and blue

bench













Sadly me too.
As stated above you will Know. :'(
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: bigkid on March 16, 2015, 01:57:26 PM
Smart move getting it repaired.  In the long run you'll be much happier that you did.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: MAXX on March 16, 2015, 02:25:26 PM
lol @ the guys here saying it's always bruising when tearing a muscle. He tore it straight off the bone and no bruising. Getbig wannabe expterts...
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 16, 2015, 02:44:43 PM
lol @ the guys here saying it's always bruising when tearing a muscle. He tore it straight off the bone and no bruising. Getbig wannabe expterts...

Good point.  Just goes to show... when in doubt, go to the doc immediately and get the medical/imaging tests done.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 19, 2015, 07:12:07 AM
Update: 03/19/2015

Week one down.  Feeling good so far, still have localized pain in the upper arm where the tendon was reattached to the humerus bone, but it's manageable. Still icing 4-5x per day, but have been off pain Meds since day 4.  I have been removing the arm from the sling a few times a day and doing a sort of hammer curl movement in order to keep the shoulder neutral and lubricate the elbow and it feels much better each day.  I have my first follow up tomorrow with the surgeon.

Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 19, 2015, 08:04:23 AM
Update: 03/19/2015

Week one down.  Feeling good so far, still have localized pain in the upper arm where the tendon was reattached to the humerus bone, but it's manageable. Still icing 4-5x per day, but have been off pain Meds since day 4.  I have been removing the arm from the sling a few times a day and doing a sort of hammer curl movement in order to keep the shoulder neutral and lubricate the elbow and it feels much better each day.  I have my first follow up tomorrow with the surgeon.



Considering these tears almost always occur at the arm insertion, perhaps a wide grip when performing pressing movements is ill advised.

Good luck with the recovery.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on March 19, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
I've racked my brain as to how it happened.  I did have a fairly wide grip on the bench, but I feel it was mostly due to a muscle/strength imbalance in my left and right side vs the grip on the bench.  It's going to be something I focus on in the coming months after returning from injury.  I had some minor pain in my left shoulder blade area several times throughout the last year, but it had not bothered me in quite some time, even though I have considered the fact that the pain and injury could have been potentially caused by an issue in the C6/C7 region in my back. 

Thanks for the well wises Thin Lizzy.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Nirvana on March 19, 2015, 08:40:54 AM
Kurt Cobain and Beethoven could not push through the pain.
Neither one made it to the Olympia stage either. Your Point?
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on April 01, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
Update: 04/01/2015

Currently sitting at 3 weeks post surgery and 4 weeks post injury and things are going very well.  Still have a couple weeks left in the sling, but I am pretty mobile at this point and it's no big deal.  I have a follow up again with the doc on 04/17 and am anxious to see what he thinks about how I am healing up so far, and defintely feel a few weeks ahead of schedule.  Really feel like my ROM is going to be there sooner rather than later, but at 3 weeks I still don't want to push anything too fast due to still being in the protective stage.

Have been doing some light PT on my own doing some pendulum excercises and basic curl movements with no weight and every thing feels great so far.

Thanks again to everyone that's reached out via PM with the well wishes, it's been very appreciated!
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: CalvinH on April 02, 2015, 08:55:32 AM
Update: 04/01/2015

Currently sitting at 3 weeks post surgery and 4 weeks post injury and things are going very well.  Still have a couple weeks left in the sling, but I am pretty mobile at this point and it's no big deal.  I have a follow up again with the doc on 04/17 and am anxious to see what he thinks about how I am healing up so far, and defintely feel a few weeks ahead of schedule.  Really feel like my ROM is going to be there sooner rather than later, but at 3 weeks I still don't want to push anything too fast due to still being in the protective stage.

Have been doing some light PT on my own doing some pendulum excercises and basic curl movements with no weight and every thing feels great so far.

Thanks again to everyone that's reached out via PM with the well wishes, it's been very appreciated!




Good luck with recovery.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Royalty on April 02, 2015, 09:20:57 AM
Update: 04/01/2015

Currently sitting at 3 weeks post surgery and 4 weeks post injury and things are going very well.  Still have a couple weeks left in the sling, but I am pretty mobile at this point and it's no big deal.  I have a follow up again with the doc on 04/17 and am anxious to see what he thinks about how I am healing up so far, and defintely feel a few weeks ahead of schedule.  Really feel like my ROM is going to be there sooner rather than later, but at 3 weeks I still don't want to push anything too fast due to still being in the protective stage.

Have been doing some light PT on my own doing some pendulum excercises and basic curl movements with no weight and every thing feels great so far.

Thanks again to everyone that's reached out via PM with the well wishes, it's been very appreciated!



Make sure that you are taking Zinc, Manganese, and Vitamin C
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on April 02, 2015, 10:38:59 AM

Make sure that you are taking Zinc, Manganese, and Vitamin C

I haven't been a big supplement guy over the last few years, but have been taking high dose Vit-C, along with high dose Cissus, MSM, ZMA, Bone Broth and BCAA's.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Pete Nice on April 02, 2015, 10:39:45 AM


Good luck with recovery.

Thanks Calvin
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: CalvinH on April 02, 2015, 11:28:37 AM
Thanks Calvin



Recovery will go in stages so hang in there. at first you'll be all gung ho then after awhile it gets repetitive and boring so just keep grinding.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: Method101 on April 02, 2015, 11:39:22 AM
how much were you bench pressing at the time?

 I stopped progressing past 260lbsx12 because weights above that are injury territory. Also I am lifetime natural and going for greek statue body so don't need to go any heavier.
Title: Re: How to figure out if I tore my pec?
Post by: thebrink on April 02, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
ignore it and push through it, visualize the weight going up and going down. no pain no gain pal