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Is liberalism dying?
MSNBC tried to be the Fox News of the left, but has clearly failed miserably
Canaries are not very formidable birds, but they have their uses. For instance, coal miners learned over a century ago that when canaries gag and drop dead at the bottom of the cage, it’s a sign that maybe there’s something wrong with the air in the mine.
MSNBC is not a very formidable network, but its wheezing is similarly instructive. MSNBC’s slogan is “Lean Forward,” which has a robust sound to it. But it turns out the phrase is a more apt descriptor of how the peacock network’s mini-me is poised to teeter off its perch and plunge beak-first into the droppings-stained pages of the fading New Republic below.
Obama has a singular skill: getting Barack Obama elected.
- Jonah Goldberg
It is suffering “cataclysmic ratings declines” (in Politico’s words) from already mediocre ratings to begin with. The hope had been that Ronan Farrow, the Prius-dashboard saint of Brooklyn hipsters and the son of Mia Farrow and Woody Allen (or Frank Sinatra), would, like David Hasselhoff in “Baywatch,” leap into the waters and save the drowning network. It turned out that Farrow’s flotation device was a messenger bag full of bricks. His show has been canceled, as has Joy Reid’s daily show. Other MSNBC stars are being followed around by the Grim Reaper. Al Sharpton, a race-baiting tax cheat with blood on his hands, is slated to be moved out of his 6 p.m. slot, presumably so he can spend more time with his wayward teleprompter.
MSNBC had thought it could mimic Fox News’ success, from the left. The problem is that it never understood what Fox News is. MSNBC’s execs saw it through the prism of their own ideological bias and so ended up offering a left-wing caricature of a caricature. Contrary to myth, Fox (where I am a contributor) is in fact an actual news network, albeit with prime-time opinion shows. Meanwhile, a study by Pew found that MSNBC was 85 percent opinion.
Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid pulled from MSNBC daytime for Thomas Roberts
Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid pulled from MSNBC daytime for Thomas Roberts
The more salient point is that there’s such a small appetite for that opinion. As Josh Kraushaar of the National Journal recently observed, President Barack Obama has successfully moved his party to the left but has failed utterly to bring the rest of the country with him. In 2012, James Stimson, arguably America’s leading expert on U.S. public opinion, found that the country was more conservative than at any time since 1952.
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@Island Hopper Who was a better candidate? Mitt Romney? When you get serious, we can have actual discourse.
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This might seem counterintuitive given that Obama was re-elected in 2012, but there’s an obvious explanation. Obama has a singular skill: getting Barack Obama elected. In all of the elections since 2008, he has shown a remarkable inability to get anyone else elected or to move public opinion in his favor. (Obamacare, for instance, remains stubbornly unpopular.) Measured in terms of statehouses, state legislatures, and House and Senate seats, the GOP is stronger today than any point since the 1920s. If you still think Obama has generous coattails, ask Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel for a second opinion.
The big lie of TV news
The big lie of TV news
The president is unbowed, of course. He’s unilaterally using — and abusing — the powers of his office to legalize illegal immigration, throw a wet blanket on cheap energy and turn the Internet into a government-regulated utility. He has the support of his dwindling party and the equally dwindling mainstream media. But even here his policy agenda is as threadbare as his cultural legacy. A majority of Americans believe race relations have gotten worse since he was elected.
Meanwhile, the cultural left has disengaged from mainstream political arguments, preferring instead the comforts of identity-politics argy-bargy. You judge political movements not by their manifestos but by where they put their passion. And on the left these days, the only things that arouse passion are arguments about race and gender.
For instance, the feminist agitprop drama “The Vagina Monologues” is now under fire from the left because it is not inclusive of men who believe they are women. Patricia Arquette was criticized from the right for her Oscar acceptance rant about women’s wage equality, but the criticism paled in comparison to the bile from the left, which flayed her for leaving out the plight of the transgendered and other members of the Coalition of the Oppressed.
Such critiques may seem like a cutting edge fight for the future among the protagonists, but looked at from the political center, it suggests political exhaustion. At least old-fashioned Marxists talked about the economy.
Of course, liberalism isn’t dead, it’s just resting. But it certainly could use an exciting, charismatic savior to breathe new life and fresh thinking into its ranks. Thank goodness Hillary Clinton is waiting in the wings.
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No, it's the Republican Party that's dead. I read it right here on getbig.com.
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Dying? Maybe. But certainly not at the rate of the far right decline.
Dem 36% / Rep 50% -- Which party is too extreme?
Dem 59% / Rep 36% -- ...tolerant and open to all groups of people?
Dem 52% / Rep 48% -- ...has good policy ideas?
Dem 60% / Rep 43% -- ...cares about the middle class?
(Source: Pew Research Poll conducted Feb 18-22, 2015)
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I wish the far right and the far left would die off.
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No, it's the Republican Party that's dead. I read it right here on getbig.com.
not dead - just split.
Half the party is middle/centrist RINOS, that are okay with amnesty, min wage, etc - Candidates like Christie, Rubio, Jeb. The other half of the party are far-right tea partiers... Cruz, walker, rand, etc. They're 2 separate parties, and they don't vote the same in general elections. President Mccain and President Romney can tell us that.
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not dead - just split.
Half the party is middle/centrist RINOS, that are okay with amnesty, min wage, etc - Candidates like Christie, Rubio, Jeb. The other half of the party are far-right tea partiers... Cruz, walker, rand, etc. They're 2 separate parties, and they don't vote the same in general elections. President Mccain and President Romney can tell us that.
The Tea Party is also split. You have members who are standard religious social conservatives and you also have libertarians.
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I wish the far right and the far left would die off.
I second that
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The Tea Party is also split. You have members who are standard religious social conservatives and you also have libertarians.
truth.
The dem party isn't split much at all. They might disagree a little on Iraq, but really, the wars starting 2001 and 2003 are too long ago for many young voters, to be honest. It's more of an occupation most don't notice, like SKorea or Germany, etc.
Repubs need to break up the party or unite. They gotta realize that. Trying to pretend this giant chasm isn't there led to big losses in 2008 and 2012. In 2012, obama was polling lower than carter was lol, entirely beatable!
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not dead - just split.
Half the party is middle/centrist RINOS, that are okay with amnesty, min wage, etc - Candidates like Christie, Rubio, Jeb. The other half of the party are far-right tea partiers... Cruz, walker, rand, etc. They're 2 separate parties, and they don't vote the same in general elections. President Mccain and President Romney can tell us that.
Not dead. Not dying.
Nobody really cares much about RINOS.
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truth.
The dem party isn't split much at all. They might disagree a little on Iraq, but really, the wars starting 2001 and 2003 are too long ago for many young voters, to be honest. It's more of an occupation most don't notice, like SKorea or Germany, etc.
Repubs need to break up the party or unite. They gotta realize that. Trying to pretend this giant chasm isn't there led to big losses in 2008 and 2012. In 2012, obama was polling lower than carter was lol, entirely beatable!
There are cracks and these cracks will only grow larger over time. The biggest conflict on the horizon isn't white/Hispanic or even white/black but Hispanic/black. Right now blacks are playing the useful idiots for the Hispanic agenda but that's not going to last. When Hispanics get the numbers they strong arm blacks out of the way Hispanics are pushing out blacks from their neighbors and the tension is high between the two communities. Hispanics are also leap frogging blacks in every metric of success.
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There are cracks and these cracks will only grow larger over time. The biggest conflict on the horizon isn't white/Hispanic or even white/black but Hispanic/black. Right now blacks are playing the useful idiots for the Hispanic agenda but that's not going to last. When Hispanics get the numbers they strong arm blacks out of the way Hispanics are pushing out blacks from their neighbors and the tension is high between the two communities. Hispanics are also leap frogging blacks in every metric of success.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/detroit-reverend-claims-drinking-water-supply-as-bad-as-the-holocaust/
Detroit Reverend Claims Drinking Water Supply as Bad as the Holocaust
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Reverend Charles Williams, president of the Detroit chapter of Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, came under scrutiny Wednesday for his comments that the drinking water in Flint, Michigan was approaching Holocaust levels.
Williams first said the water supply in Flint “almost as bad as gas chambers for Jews” while delivering bottled water to underprivileged areas Monday. When a local reporter for WJBK confronted him, he stood by the comments.
“The city of Flint’s residents are being sold bad water and being told to like it,” he said. “That’s just as unjust as slavery, that’s just as unjust as genocide. …An injustice is an injustice, whether its an injustice inside a concentration camp or an injustice on a slave plantation.”
“It’s an injustice in Flint where you’re being forced to purchase bad water,” he added. “We should stand against it all and I do.”
The local reporter reminded him that “people died in the Holocaust,” and Williams did clarify that he was not endorsing the Holocaust.
Somewhat less importantly, Williams also offended the city of Flint, which acknowledged its water problems but placed them at sub-Shoah levels.
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I wish the far right and the far left would die off.
+1
This board would lose Coach though
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/detroit-reverend-claims-drinking-water-supply-as-bad-as-the-holocaust/
Detroit Reverend Claims Drinking Water Supply as Bad as the Holocaust
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Reverend Charles Williams, president of the Detroit chapter of Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, came under scrutiny Wednesday for his comments that the drinking water in Flint, Michigan was approaching Holocaust levels.
Williams first said the water supply in Flint “almost as bad as gas chambers for Jews” while delivering bottled water to underprivileged areas Monday. When a local reporter for WJBK confronted him, he stood by the comments.
“The city of Flint’s residents are being sold bad water and being told to like it,” he said. “That’s just as unjust as slavery, that’s just as unjust as genocide. …An injustice is an injustice, whether its an injustice inside a concentration camp or an injustice on a slave plantation.”
“It’s an injustice in Flint where you’re being forced to purchase bad water,” he added. “We should stand against it all and I do.”
The local reporter reminded him that “people died in the Holocaust,” and Williams did clarify that he was not endorsing the Holocaust.
Somewhat less importantly, Williams also offended the city of Flint, which acknowledged its water problems but placed them at sub-Shoah levels.
While Hispanics form vibrant communities places like Flint will continue to languish in ineptitude and poverty.
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This board would lose Coach though
Then everyone else would leave because they wouldn't have someone to argue with. ;D
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While Hispanics form vibrant communities places like Flint will continue to languish in ineptitude and poverty.
Then everyone else would leave because they wouldn't have someone to argue with. ;D
I thought you might get a kick out of that Detroit story. :)
What you are saying about Hispanics taking over is legit though. The Black Caucus will be extremely marginalized within the next couple decades and the districts will be ran mainly by Hispanics. You'll never hear the left talking about it but it is just a matter of time.
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Not dead. Not dying.
Nobody really cares much about RINOS.
The GOP does. As evident by who they run on their national ticket. Or else the religious dingbats would fare much better. How did Perry, Bachmann, Frothy, and Huck do again?
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Perry....failed....was not prepared but appears to be now. Huck represents a part of the GOP that is dying. Evangelicals are giving up on some of the social issues that used to drive then batshit crazy over the past 20 years. Bachmann is an idiot....
So that leaves guys like Cruz...unelectable but smart. Rubio....more center then most but not in the Jed category. Walker is fine but he expected to come on gradual and not spring to the top in popularity. He's not prepared right now for alot of foreign policy related questions. Rand Paul.....no idea, he's popular but I'm not sure how he plays in a general against Hil. Any of these people including the dump I just took should smoke biden/sanders/warren/gore if there's no Hil.
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The GOP does. As evident by who they run on their national ticket. Or else the religious dingbats would fare much better. How did Perry, Bachmann, Frothy, and Huck do again?
People running on the national ticket has nothing to do with the GOP wanting to run RINOs. It's about name recognition and fundraising, for the large part.
Why are you asking about how Perry et al. did? Don't you follow politics? Try using Google. Not that hard to figure out what happened.
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Perry....failed....was not prepared but appears to be now.
Perry will never be prepared. Not even in a dozen life times.
Huck represents a part of the GOP that is dying.
Truth!
Evangelicals are giving up on some of the social issues that used to drive then batshit crazy over the past 20 years.
I don't think they are giving up on the issues as much as support from the younger base towards the issues is dying out.
Bachmann is an idiot....
Truth! Although some on here think she is "brilliant". Then again, they are proven idiots themselves so no surprise there.
So that leaves guys like Cruz...unelectable but smart.
Agree. He won't amount to anything but a sounding board for extreme voices. Which make other candidates of his party either adapt their views or distance themselves from him.
Rubio....more center then most but not in the Jed category.
Doesn't matter. Dude is shaky and flaky at this point so far. I'm willing to bet he won't even run. The only reason he "hasn't decided" to announce he is running (or not running) is because he already knows he won't run at all, he is just using the suspense and attention for his book tour. Which in a way isn't a bad idea since if he states he won't run, the sales will drop.
Walker is fine but he expected to come on gradual and not spring to the top in popularity. He's not prepared right now for alot of foreign policy related questions.
Not ready in 2016
Rand Paul.....no idea, he's popular but I'm not sure how he plays in a general against Hil.
His biggest opponent isn't Hillary, but rather his own establishment. They are not going to give it to him anyway.
Any of these people including the dump I just took should smoke biden/sanders/warren/gore if there's no Hil.
Agree. Although I don't know what your dump is like (and don't want to know). If Hillary doesn't run, the Dems are going to be screwed in finding a candidate that will do well
Agree on most of your comments.
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People running on the national ticket has nothing to do with the GOP wanting to run RINOs. It's about name recognition and fundraising, for the large part.
Why are you asking about how Perry et al. did? Don't you follow politics? Try using Google. Not that hard to figure out what happened.
Oh I know how he did. (And Bachmann, Huck, Frothy) Apparently you don't. Or else you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement of :
Nobody really cares much about RINOS.
If no one cares about the RINOs, then why the hell are they always the ones to emerge from the primaries after the fundies have fallen to the way side? Oh wait... I know... because obviously people DO care more for RINOs than they do for right wing dingbats.
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I thought you might get a kick out of that Detroit story. :)
What you are saying about Hispanics taking over is legit though. The Black Caucus will be extremely marginalized within the next couple decades and the districts will be ran mainly by Hispanics. You'll never hear the left talking about it but it is just a matter of time.
Very prescience video. I hadnt seen it before. It's a future that will not benefit blacks. The infighting and fracturing will be glorious to watch.
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Oh I know how he did. (And Bachmann, Huck, Frothy) Apparently you don't. Or else you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement of :
If no one cares about the RINOs, then why the hell are they always the ones to emerge from the primaries after the fundies have fallen to the way side? Oh wait... I know... because obviously people DO care more for RINOs than they do for right wing dingbats.
Why the heck are you asking if you already know? Do you have Down's Syndrome or something?
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Very prescience video. I hadnt seen it before. It's a future that will not benefit blacks. The infighting and fracturing will be glorious to watch.
Will they be able to take advantage of any "Hispanic Guilt" once all their political power is taken away from them? :D
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Why the heck are you asking if you already know? Do you have Down's Syndrome or something?
Viewing your posts, I suspect you do. Or at least something that renders you immune to facts, logic and common sense.
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Will they be able to take advantage of any "Hispanic Guilt" once all their political power is taken away from them? :D
I was going to mention guilt. The greatest weapon they have will be useless against Hispanics. Like I said, useful idiots.
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I was going to mention guilt. The greatest weapon they have will be useless against Hispanics. Like I said, useful idiots.
I liked the part where the Hispanic candidate blatantly announced that Harlem is "our" district now.
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I liked the part where the Hispanic candidate blatantly announced that Harlem is "our" district now.
I can only imagine the look of confusion on their faces. "Wait! That's my line" and they can't say a damn thing about it. They just have to take it. I'm beginning to see the light on Hispanic immigration.
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I can only imagine the look of confusion on their faces. "Wait! That's my line" and they can't say a damn thing about it. They just have to take it. I'm beginning to see the light on Hispanic immigration.
You would still never be able to convince them it was their hero Obama who ultimately sold them down the river.
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You would still never be able to convince them it was their hero Obama who ultimately sold them down the river.
Nope. It's the same old story, short term gains with long term consequences.
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Nope. It's the same old story, short term gains with long term consequences.
There is a decent chance Mexican born Jesus Garcia beats Rahm Emanuel in Chicago as well.
RAHM EMANUEL FACES STIFF ODDS IN RUN-OFF ELECTION
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is not nearly as well-liked as past mayors. In fact, he is the first mayor in Chicago’s history forced into a run-off election instead of winning re-election handily.
With his opponent within single digits in the polls, this mayor is facing the fight of his political life.
At the end of February Emanuel garnered more than 48 percent of the vote in a five-way race for mayor. His next closest opponent, Jesus “Chuy” Garcia, only got to 26 percent. But because Rahm didn’t reach that magic 50 percent plus, he is now forced into a run off with Garcia — the first run off in Chicago’s history.
But while Garcia only reached 26 percent the first time around, his poll numbers have surged since the run off was announced. In fact, Chuy is now within a few percentage points of Emanuel.
A recent poll found Emanuel pulling 42.9 percent to Garcia’s 38.5 percent with a margin of error of +/-3.2, putting Garcia nearly within the margin or error.
Rahm Emanuel, Obama former Chief of Staff, had the President’s support not to mention tens of millions more in his campaign coffers than Garcia. But money wasn’t the game changer that many assumed it would be in this election.
Emanuel appears poised to use that huge cash advantage to fund scorched earth-styled TV ads against his resurgent opponent.
Along with his own $30-million campaign warchest, Emanuel is also getting the help of a PAC he set up called Chicago Forward.
Still, many forces have lined up against Emanuel’s re-election, not the least of which is the Chicago Teachers Union. The teachers aren’t the only union that stands against the mayor, though. Emanuel has never been a union favorite and for his re-election the unions were somewhat split over the mayor.
Emanuel also has a problem with the African American vote. Certainly Hispanics favor Garcia. Some election watchers are saying that this race is about to become a race argument, with Emanuel trying to pit the African American vote against the Hispanic vote.
In any case, if Emanuel can’t widen the gap between himself and Garcia he could actually lose this election.
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There is a decent chance Mexican born Jesus Garcia beats Rahm Emanuel in Chicago as well.
RAHM EMANUEL FACES STIFF ODDS IN RUN-OFF ELECTION
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is not nearly as well-liked as past mayors. In fact, he is the first mayor in Chicago’s history forced into a run-off election instead of winning re-election handily.
With his opponent within single digits in the polls, this mayor is facing the fight of his political life.
At the end of February Emanuel garnered more than 48 percent of the vote in a five-way race for mayor. His next closest opponent, Jesus “Chuy” Garcia, only got to 26 percent. But because Rahm didn’t reach that magic 50 percent plus, he is now forced into a run off with Garcia — the first run off in Chicago’s history.
But while Garcia only reached 26 percent the first time around, his poll numbers have surged since the run off was announced. In fact, Chuy is now within a few percentage points of Emanuel.
A recent poll found Emanuel pulling 42.9 percent to Garcia’s 38.5 percent with a margin of error of +/-3.2, putting Garcia nearly within the margin or error.
Rahm Emanuel, Obama former Chief of Staff, had the President’s support not to mention tens of millions more in his campaign coffers than Garcia. But money wasn’t the game changer that many assumed it would be in this election.
Emanuel appears poised to use that huge cash advantage to fund scorched earth-styled TV ads against his resurgent opponent.
Along with his own $30-million campaign warchest, Emanuel is also getting the help of a PAC he set up called Chicago Forward.
Still, many forces have lined up against Emanuel’s re-election, not the least of which is the Chicago Teachers Union. The teachers aren’t the only union that stands against the mayor, though. Emanuel has never been a union favorite and for his re-election the unions were somewhat split over the mayor.
Emanuel also has a problem with the African American vote. Certainly Hispanics favor Garcia. Some election watchers are saying that this race is about to become a race argument, with Emanuel trying to pit the African American vote against the Hispanic vote.
In any case, if Emanuel can’t widen the gap between himself and Garcia he could actually lose this election.
I'm changing my tune on immigration. Maybe it is a good thing. My wife is half Hispanic.
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I'm changing my tune on immigration. Maybe it is a good thing. My wife is half Hispanic.
Legal immigration is a good thing.
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I'm changing my tune on immigration. Maybe it is a good thing. My wife is half Hispanic.
I've got to admit some of the Border towns I've personally visited...Laredo, Eagle Pass, McAllen etc actually weren't that bad. Good service at restaurants. Family oriented people. Seems like night and day compared to some of the footage I've seen of Detroit and Chicago.
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I've got to admit some of the Border towns I've personally visited...Laredo, Eagle Pass, McAllen etc actually weren't that bad. Good service at restaurants. Family oriented people. Seems like night and day compared to some of the footage I've seen of Detroit and Chicago.
Mexicans by and large are nice , soft people, who want to work, and not prone to rioting, looting, etc
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I've got to admit some of the Border towns I've personally visited...Laredo, Eagle Pass, McAllen etc actually weren't that bad. Good service at restaurants. Family oriented people. Seems like night and day compared to some of the footage I've seen of Detroit and Chicago.
I spent time in California several times a year and I always see Mexicans working. There are ghettos I'm sure but Mexicans, at least recent immigrants, seem to work a lot harder than their progeny.
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There are cracks and these cracks will only grow larger over time. The biggest conflict on the horizon isn't white/Hispanic or even white/black but Hispanic/black. Right now blacks are playing the useful idiots for the Hispanic agenda but that's not going to last. When Hispanics get the numbers they strong arm blacks out of the way Hispanics are pushing out blacks from their neighbors and the tension is high between the two communities. Hispanics are also leap frogging blacks in every metric of success.
This is really really laughable......goes to show what happens when a guy pontificates and doesn't live in the community....there is no coming "war" as you put it among blacks and Hispanics.....blacks and Hispanics have always grown up together...they intermarry at high rates....many Hispanics ARE black.....
Please go back to the racist websites where facts don't matter
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This is really really laughable......goes to show what happens when a guy pontificates and doesn't live in the community....there is no coming "war" as you put it among blacks and Hispanics.....blacks and Hispanics have always grown up together...they intermarry at high rates....many Hispanics ARE black.....
Please go back to the racist websites where facts don't matter
I'm going to suggest you do a little reading on the subject. California has been having a lot of problems with racial violence between Hispanics and blacks and it isn't necessarily gang related. What did I tell you. Crying racism at every turn.
Welcome to the real world, Andrea.
Of the 275,500 new interracial or interethnic marriages in 2010, 43 percent are white/Latino couples, the most common type of intermarriage couple.
Native-born Latino newlyweds are more than twice as likely as foreign-born Latino newlyweds to marry out——36 percent versus 14 percent.
About one-in-five (19 percent) of all newlyweds in New Mexico between 2008 and 2010 were white/Latino couples, a share higher than any other state. States with the next highest shares of newlywed white/Latino couples were Arizona (12 percent) and Nevada (11 percent).
Between 2008-2010 white male newlyweds who married Asian, Latino or black spouses had higher combined earnings than did white male newlyweds who married a white spouse.
Just as intermarriage has become more common, public attitudes have become more accepting. Nearly half (48 percent) of Latino, and 43 percent of Americans overall, say that more people of different races marrying each other has been a change for the better in our society, while only about one-in-ten of both groups think it is a change for the worse.
“More than eight in ten (83 percent) Hispanic men who out-married in 2008 married a white spouse, compared to 78 percent of Hispanic women,” the study said. “Among Hispanic female newlyweds who out-married in 2008, some 13 percent married a Black spouse, compared with just 5 percent of Hispanic male newlyweds.”
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/
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the problem happens when republicans start to define "legal immigration" as "the kind Reagan did".
That kind, of course - and modeled by obama - was rewarding every lawbreaker who had been here for 4 years with LEGAL STATUS. In other words, if you're good enough to break the law in USA for 4 years without us catching you, hey, you can stay!
The serious problem is that MANY repubs are okay with this. Boehnner is. Romney is. Rubio is/was before he flipflopped this week. Christie is. And it's amnesty, plain and simple.
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LOL at the latest FHRITP hitting andrea mitchell regarding the NFL player in plane skidding off runway.
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the problem happens when republicans start to define "legal immigration" as "the kind Reagan did".
That kind, of course - and modeled by obama - was rewarding every lawbreaker who had been here for 4 years with LEGAL STATUS. In other words, if you're good enough to break the law in USA for 4 years without us catching you, hey, you can stay!
The serious problem is that MANY repubs are okay with this. Boehnner is. Romney is. Rubio is/was before he flipflopped this week. Christie is. And it's amnesty, plain and simple.
another post defending liberals made by the self proclaimed republican ::)
"240 the Rino" to the rescue !!!